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If you've read Monroe's books, recall Miranon, she was one of his "explorers." Miranon was the first person who had undeniably gone "too far" and risked dying and never returning to her body if she didn't snap out of the blissful trance-like feeling she got after going too far in the dimensions.

It happened to Monroe in Ultimate Journey, he snapped out of it and woke up to an extremely cold body; his heart had stopped for a moment.

In my opinion, this is what severing the silver cord means.. Tugging on it or trying to cut it with astral scissors is ridiculous.. It's about changing your point of reference until you don't even know about your physical body anymore, and so can never wake up in it, ever again.

I know I have a tendency to get nauseous when I try to lay down on my back sometimes... Probably has to do with blood circulation...

It's really not typical to throw up though... I don't think anything's wrong with your "chakra" -- there might be something wrong with your health... Would you happen to be prone to seizures or have people in your family that suffered from epilepsy? It could have been a sort of mini-seizure... An early sign that you may have a hazardous condition...

Let's hope he gets arrested before he has a chance to mix a tub of kool aid...

PS: Jim Jones actually got off his butt and built churches... Not internet message boards...

Something changes inside you when you frequently pass the awake-asleep barrier, in such a way that you fall asleep, but you're still awake -- that is what is called trance, and it's the state you need to be in to project.

It can happen when the alarm rings, but usually, it'll happen when you're not using the alarm, when you fall asleep naturally, the reflex you built up will kick in.

That's a great idea! Much more convenient than keeping the arm up, too.

I could make a program that does that, and you could use a wireless mouse as the device you have to keep pressed... The great thing about it is that while the mouse is designed to support your finger's weight without clicking, it takes very little effort to keep a button pressed down. Then there's the issue of the headphones... Guess you'll just need a lot of extra wire :p

Say "I want to go to Area 51" and see what happens.

And yes, the American military has soul-sucking devices. It's like Amazon's one click buy except it automatically sells your soul to the devil.

It's possible to choose not to do something, yes, but a choice is an indirect consequence of environmental variables... You make choices using your own common sense, which came about through your life experience. If the environment either did not tell you what was right or wrong, or put you in such emotional distress that you either could not see wrong in murder or could not think straight enough to avoid the horrific situation, then you will make "the wrong choice."

Take a suicide bomber as an example: you live in a country that hates america... You live in poverty, in a country that has almost no future, that was ravaged by wars and taken over by the US and Russia... Everyone around you burns american flags, and screams out "death to america" every chance they get... You get taught Islam, but in a different way from the rest of the world. Your village turns out to be a terrorist camp, and everyone's idea of good is going on a holy crusade, dying in the name of God so that you may go to heaven while the terrorists lords will give large amounts of money to the rest of your family. You will be a savior, a hero. That is an extreme example, with a few exaggerations, but that's the gist of it. This terrorist seems insane to the rest of the world, but in his own mind, what he's doing is perfectly normal. In his mind, it's only natural to take revenge on those that have wronged him, on those that supposedly crippled his country into a state of constant poverty.

When that guy makes the choice to go out and blow himself up in the middle of a crowd in Israel, it's not because he is an evil person who knows he's doing something bad. He's not doing this for the sake of being bad. He's doing this for good, because it will bring happiness to everyone he has ever known, because he will die in glory, by taking action.

You can see how it's not really his choice. He wasn't taught to carefully research ethics before he went out on his mission. He was just taught to have a one track mind...

Serial killers are often found to have had some kind of trauma in childhood, something that changed them very much, in such a way that they acquired a perverted desire to kill, or a false sense of justice.


The current understanding of the primary stages of the afterlife is as a place of healing. Murderers don't get punished -- their victims find healing. Every wrong is righted in this way, in such a way that punishment is not needed. Punishment does not solve anything besides create more pain. The logical way to balance things out is to free everyone of the "bad" that has been done. This doesn't necessarily mean the victim will pardon his killer, it means the victim will not be affected by the pain of dying at the hands of the murderer. This also means that the victim's family, who mourned his death for years, will find relief in the afterlife. When people are healed, they are able to cope with the fact that their life didn't go the way they wanted to (which is far from being a rare occurrence!).

Whether the murderer wisens up is a separate concern -- it's all part of his personal evolution. Perhaps killing people taught him something useful. Perhaps later he will be recycled into a life where he suffers at the hands of a mass murderer. Perhaps then he will get a different sense of justice.

One thing that is important to remember is that no human is perfect... The very purpose of this existence is probably to be imperfect. We are part of a constantly renewing cycle of destruction and rebuilding. Pain and suffering are actually important motors in our evolution. Whether we become a guru that is perfectly in tune with his higher self's plea and achieves a Greater Purpose, or simply live life through physical processes, at the mercy of our "destiny," we have achieved what we came here to do, no matter how disappointing it can seem from our human point of view.

There is no justice, because there is no justice needed. We are born innocent... The people who really should pay for mass murder are not the people who did it, but the people who, throughout the mass murderer's life, conditioned that person in such a way that somewhere down the line, they committed these horrific actions.

But why did these people condition that mass murderer? Simply because they themselves were conditioned, from their innocent newborn state, into becoming evildoers.

If you think about it, not a single person on earth is truly evil, they were just trapped in a life path that lead them to evil. I don't want to get into the whole concept of fate; whether there is such a thing as destiny or not is irrelevant, it's just a matter of what happens when you introduce a blank slate into an environment, and how that blank slate will react from there on.

Does it really matter if someone thinks they did a good thing by killing thousands of people? Or if someone thinks they did a good thing by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor? Or crushing a bug? Or not eating meat?

At the end of the line, it's just a matter of being right or wrong. If everyone who's ever been wrong had to go to hell... Well.. Let's not even go there!

Like many others before you, you'll have to get used to the fact that there's just no way to know for sure what the nature of an experience was unless you can bring back definite proof that you were indeed out of body...

At this point there's not enough hard data to know for sure what your experience was... I recommend you chalk it up as a "maybe" and look forward to the next one!

Well, the concept of inward and outward in itself is subjective... Truth is, when you "turn inward" you also phase outward from your point of reference, which is physical consciousness...

The definition of phasing is also conflicted... Frank Kepple writes that when you phase, you don't actually exit the body, you phase into other areas of your consciousness, or other dimensions... But from phasing, it's possible to reach what the mystics call the "etheric" or the real time zone... And from there you can have the traditional out of body experience that you read about in books...

The relationship between lucid dreaming and phasing is indeed pretty strong... Once again it's not so much a technical difference, just a matter of beliefs and terminology... People who lucid dream have a tendency to reject the idea that there could be more to their experiences than what is scientifically plausible, wherehas adepts of phasing see their practice as a psychic skill. But essentially, there is no difference between a WILD (wake-induced lucid dreaming) technique and a phasing technique... In both cases, you shift consciousness away from your physical point of reference and find yourself
"somewhere else."

The big question remains -- how come some people experience "supernatural" things while others are having just "mere dreams" that they can control? In these experiences, there's always a big subjective, subconscious part of you that'll be pulling the strings... Mystics have come up with a variety of techniques to induce "real" experiences; they'll work on clearing the mind so that they don't get influenced by their physical thoughts, or they'll raise energy to improve their lucidity and focus. But even then, we don't really have an answer... All we know is having an unusual experience is not so difficult compared to having a "true objective" experience...

There's definitely something weird about glass... I've gotten trapped in it as well...

Glass is actually a crystal that has the same composition as quartz... New age "stoners" () are very fond of quartz for its properties when it comes to storing energy and whatnot...

Something potentially interesting would be to see if the same effects are encountered when going through a plexiglas window (plastic)... If there's a big noticeable difference between the two, it would be a breakthrough in astral dynamics, for sure.

What's "General Spiritual?" Is it belief in the existence of the soul?

This is winter... People get depressed, start wishing they had superpowers, etc... So they come here and ask an avalanche of questions, hoping they can become psychic powerhouses by the end of Christmas vacation...

Most of those guys we'll never see again...

If you want good advice and contact with experienced projectors, come back in the summer :p

Kiwi I don't understand if you actually went out of body to touch the paper or if you were just doing visualization techniques. The visualizing does work in time to have a story going but I am more curious if the "touching story on paper" technique will work when going out of body. The story could be condensed in feelings of what is happening around the character rather than taking the longest time to show every scene of what is going on in the story. This way the longest story can fit a 20min OBE. Being in a story also elimnates the chance of thinking of your body and being zapped back inside and it is very convient to not even leave your room to touch the piece of paper on the floor to have a adventure. I'm open to anyones opinions about or if anyone has tried something like it thanks for the replys.

Oh, I missed that part about actually touching the paper while out of body... Yes, I was talking about a visualization exercise...

But so... You want to test the theory that it is possible to load an object with a set of memories (a story of an adventure) and then recover this adventure by touching the object out of body?

I actually do that, and it works, but in the beginning I recommend doing easier things, like imagining something you do routinely -- i.e. imagine that you're getting dressed and walk to the store, imagine the different items you'll pick up, imagine yourself at the register, placing the items on the conveyor thingy...

The trick is to try very hard to stay in "real time" -- when we imagine a scenario, we have this tendency to skip ahead. If you find yourself skipping ahead, go back and redo it from the moment you skipped. Make sure that an event that takes place over 3 minutes really does take 3 minutes to visualize.

At the beginning, it'll be hard to focus on your story, because all you can see is the darkness of your eyelids... Mental images will be like very weak memories that flash for a split second... It's only about 1 or 2 minutes in that you'll start actually seeing glimpses of things instead of your eyelids... If you manage to maintain the state without flinching, you'll be able to enjoy a completely immersive lucid dream...

Problem is, the more vivid you manage to make it, the harder it is to remember that you have a physical body... Usually you'll lose track of it and literally forget that you're in control... Most likely falling asleep in the process..

It takes a lot of practice not to get startled by the first pictures and how naturally they actually come to you... And not forgetting what happened once the whole thing became super vivid is even more difficult :p

It's true, sleep paralysis is not the mind awake body asleep state, it's a bit farther down the road, actually, more along the lines of "expanded awareness" or focus 12, I would think... In "pure" phasing it's kind of non-existent, it's a flaw caused by a mind that cannot live without a physical point of reference.

To add to what gregg said, the alarm clock method isn't about screwing sleep patterns. The real effect is that by repeatedly experiencing the tiny strand of consciousness that is always on standby for outside disturbances for survival purposes, you'll gain the ability to control it. When you wake up naturally, that strand of awareness grows progressively bigger, and it also does so throughout the night, every sleep cycle. We wake up much more often than we think, but we don't experience or remember it until we train towards that goal. The alarm clock method is about detecting that state, which is basically the heaviest trance state there is, and use the opportunity to project.

You won't get really good results WHILE you're using the alarm, but after a few (days? weeks?), your sleep will be much lighter and much more conscious. It's once you stop with the alarms and wake yourself out of body on your own that you'll really be successful.

In theory, yes.. But the modes of perception while out of body are not quite as clear cut as in the physical... Your classmates will probably turn into pink elephants and then the queen of England will come to hunt them with a bazooka.

And if you're thinking of stealing test answers, you might be surprised to find out that everyone is writing absolute nonsense, simply because reading out of body is so tough for a lot of people...

What's particular about a classroom, though, is that you would probably be sitting in one of those uncomfortable chairs... And if you're like most people, going out of body can only happen if you're asleep... Assuming that you don't fall and hurt yourself, there's many disturbances around that could alter your perceptions...

If you want to have an experience that is truly in tune with reality, you'll want to do it in a completely dark room, in complete silence, on an extremely comfortable bed.

... Unless you're some kind of reincarnated guru.

I thought it did until recently.. I was in the Montreal subway one morning and the driver asked everyone to exit the train because of a problem with the brakes... We waited for it to leave and for a new one to come, but when it tried to leave, there was this explosion and the braking system caught on fire. Not only did the explosion startle me and everyone around, there was this very strong fire about 10 feet high just a few steps away from me... It wasn't that dangerous, but all the people screaming, the running, the feeling of helplessness... I ran for my life on that day, I was definitely convinced that I could die if I stayed there... I was still shaking a few hours later...

Death isn't that scary.. Until it feels like it's starting to happen...

I've used OBEs to cure many of my fears by facing them directly... These include fear of the dark, anxiety when in public places, stress over inevitable outcomes... This summer, I was even able to spend every lunch break in the middle of a park near my workplace which is full of bees and wasps, even though I've always been very scared of insects. I am doing things now that I would never have done in the 20 years before I became an out of body traveler...

That is just one example of something that is to be gained from these experiences, even the negative ones... You also gain a whole new perspective on life, and start to understand why it's important not to sit idly complaining about your condition -- it enables you to live life to the fullest and make the best of what you have.

Personal benefits aside, it's a skill which, according to the claims of many, could hold the key to numerous mysteries, some of which cause humanity to be depressed or to wage wars. If everyone could have this "different overview," as Monroe calls it, we would all probably be much better off.

Scientifically speaking, it's a gold mine... I don't mind the risks if it means having the potential to make new discoveries that would further our understanding of the universe. And even if it turns out to all be a big hoax, its implications in the field of psychotherapy still justify further investigation...

The out of body state is like life... If you don't have an interest in the good things you can do and obtain from it, then you will remain stuck in the same situations, stagnating instead of following a path of evolution.

I took a long break in my practice because, like you, I started to doubt that there was anything useful about it. It did not make sense anymore to bring about experiences that are so similar to what death supposedly is -- why experience minutes of something that will happen no matter what and last forever?

I won't kid myself and claim that I've found the meaning of life, but OBEs have made life that much more meaningful. I feel that now that I've suceeded in bettering myself, I can work on helping others do the same thing. Makes sense, right?

The technique of noticing won't work too well for beginners because it assumes that you're able to remain in trance for a certain length of time without going unconsciously asleep.

Mastering trance is a tricky step in one's development because it goes directly against everything you've experienced every single night for as long as you can remember -- when you fall asleep, you're not usually conscious of anything, and when you wake up, your memory of sleep will be extremely muddy, if you're even lucky enough to remember anything.

Phasing is about being able to stay aware while "the body goes to sleep..." For most people, this lasts only a few seconds... They're in their bed, waiting for sleep to come, they lose focus, and poof! They're unconscious!

It's all about being able to witness the process... First you lose physical sensations, then you start seeing patches of light, then you start seeing hypnogogics (vivid mind-pictures and sounds), and it's only after the hypnogogics "die out" that you'll be in "Focus 2." In other words, you're going to have to extend what lasts only a couple seconds for most people to several minutes!

And it's really quite amazing how fast you can develop when you acquire that skill... Falling asleep will almost invariably push you into a lucid dream, or you'll start vibrating like crazy for a chance to have a "traditional" projection... You'll also wake up in an altered state every 90 minutes or so throughout the night..

In order to train towards this, there's really only one way that I know of -- you have to keep trying the 'noticing' exercise as often as possible... And eventually, you'll see your few seconds of trance slowly grow into minutes.

When I started out with projection, I used a few methods to accelerate this process.

The first one is the "arm trick" which requires you to try and fall asleep with your hand straight up, arm resting on the elbow. If you fall asleep, the arm will fall and wake you up... What this allows you to do is try and witness the process many times a night instead of only once a night. Doing it for about a week should allow you to get to the hypnogogics without conscious effort.

The problem with the arm trick is that it doesn't let you get far enough. After a while, you'll hit a wall and you'll have to do the noticing exercise again, without any help. What you'll want to do at this point is use an alarm clock to wake you up after you've fallen asleep, just in case you do fail to stay aware all the way to focus 2. Set your alarm to ring in 20 minutes, for example, and then try to go to sleep. If all goes well, you should go into trance, see the hypnogogics, and perhaps go into a dream. The alarm will ring, and that's when you have to try and remember what happened. Write everything down, set the alarm again, and go to sleep again... Keep doing it as many times as possible... At least 3 times a night...

I don't know how long it may take until you actually get anywhere beyond the hypnogogics... When I used this method, it took me 3 weeks to have my first OBE, but I didn't have all the information I have now... If I did, I think I could probably have had my first OBE in just two weeks of practice :p

I think he handled himself pretty well for someone who found out the secret of life, the universe and everything :p

There's many "less ultimate" ways to prove things subjectively... It's scientifically proving that is difficult...

But yeah... If you managed to guess a card or leave an actual mark while being observed in a controlled environment, then indeed, that would be "ultimate proof"... Though ultimately you'd only convince yourself and the people observing you... The rest of the world would just have to trust the research, which isn't a given!

What you do when you traditionally project is you phase into the second/etheric/energy body, and then you push out this projectable double of yourself out into the RTZ.

So it's not really like there is a clear separation between the two... "traditional" projection would be a subset of the possibilities offered by phasing... And it is also possible to phase while you are "traditionally projected" because phasing is a faculty of the mind that follows you wherever your consciousness is...

And phasing has this tendency to inevitably make you create a projectable double, as soon as you get the human urge to have an individual body to explore the landscape you're in... The thing is, though, phasing opens possibilities where moving through time and space using a body of sorts is not at all compatible with the reality you find yourself in ; the environment could be way out of phase with anything you could remotely conceive of with the human mind.

With that said, most of my successes with conscious (as opposed to semi-spontaneous) OBEs happened as a result of actually phasing (i.e. reaching focus 10 and then 12) rather than attempting more "mystical" methods... The problem with mystical methods is that they tend to skip fundamental steps, which phasing does not...

No, I'm in Canada.

By the way, I didn't say I didn't think it was a dream, I'm just saying, there's no way to know for sure, ever, unless you have tangible proof to the contrary, which you'll rarely ever get :p