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Some of the people here seem to like Frank a lot and hold him in high esteem. They enjoy studying his 'phasing' techniques. But where is Frank now? He is dead. For those of you here that want to dance around the question of dying. Yes you can die from astral projection and phasing. Frank was a nice man but like many before him he was not ready for what's out there and met his untimely end. The same will happen to many here if you don't wise up and start playing this game seriously.

When I go out and explore the higher planes of existance I am not looking to find enlightenment. I do so only to explore, to boldly go where no man has gone before. I know it's not safe and I know that it's full of danger but if I can't take a little bloody nose, maybe I oughtta go back home and crawl under the bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid.

Extraordinary Claims require extraordinary proof. You have it Kurt?

Well the only clues anyone has in order to deduce that you are a guy is your nickname(neutral but not on the feminine side) and the way you write.

You have a very analytical way of writing you know that? I would bet my life you where a guy! Well, if it comforts you it's the second time something like this happens to me in a forum. The first time i was arguing in a forum with a woman and she argued like a guy! Difference is she wanted to be passed as a guy. In the end we became friends!

Point is, don't judge a book by it's cover.

I am sorry for the shortsighted attitude. Sometimes you have to be neutral regardless what feedback your intuition gives you.

I am one, although I don't look like her.

Oops. Sorry there. No offense.

It is true that we are adaptive beings...

Why do u need light? When i try to project at night i always have all the lights off. It's a matter of habit really.

Now do i NEED it? Yes i would say that i do. If there is even one small light it's really worse than having the chandelier on. The brain(as with sounds) tends to pay attention more on faint signals than apparent and loud ones(in volume/intensity) because he inherently thinks they are an indication to danger, so the brain really is trying to find out more about the strange faint signal rather than a fully apparent one. Something you can see is easy to ignore. You know where it is, you have your eye on it and you know that it poses no threat to you. On the other hand something which is faint and unstable might jump you at anytime. Keep that in mind


Edit/ I should note that the source of what i say is my own observations.

Recliner.  And that one  ^  looks cooler than mine.

Is it maybe because a chick is sitting on it?

Don't be too quick with the massage features...
If you're planning on using them WHILE you meditate, that's probably not the best idea as it would solidify your awareness on your physical body.

I knew that you would say that! 

Well for all cases there's a little button which turns off the massage features. So vote yes to massage, it might come in handy at other times.

Now how much does one of those babies cost? Must be about 1000 Euros or so(I'm European)

Now we're talking! I wanna get one of these! Full recliner with massage after a hard day! They should name it "Sit and Fly". It looks like an airport to me!

I call this very light trance- you are relaxed, very unaware of your body, but you can hear ambient sound and can move your body.  Medium trance (for me) is when ambient sound becomes muted by your own 'inner' sound, but still can move, and Deep trance is when all outside stimulus is gone, and it's all you, and you are if not paralyzed as close to paralyzed as you can be.
The problem with these classifications is that they sort of make you take notice of your body- so I recommend that you focus on your perceptions and how your mind reacts to them.  For example, if you click out and know you did, that is good- it means you are aware.  If you can keep discipline to 'stay' in it, the transition will come soon.

So the way i understand it is that progressively you have to drag yourself to a deep trance to release from your body. Is that right?
If i have the correct understanding then i think i am in the right direction now. I hope that soon i can come here and post my first OOBE.

It sounds like you may need a different position.  I usually project on a recliner I have in my bedroom.
This is good for me, because I keep my sleeping space and my projecting space different, ritualizing the operation, and also keeps me from having sleep problems.  But it's in my bedroom, so I can shut the door and keep the cats out, which have really great timing, when it comes to my trance.

If you are so uncomfortable that you need to move, do it, and then dedicate the rest of the time to your practice, because you don't want to focus on your discomfort.

What you have written resonates with me and it seems i have the right feel of the thing as i have instinctively been reacting as you instruct. As for the bed thing, I too like to use my bed only for two things, Sleep and Sex. So i guess i will have to buy a recliner for my reading and projecting sessions.


You have been most helpful and i feel deep gratitude. I hope i have enough information to succeed. I will let everyone know of my results once and if they are positive. Once again, thank you for the insight.

Guys this is torture! Waking up many times on a one night basis?! Woo i can't do that! This is MADNESS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qR0Uke2XNI

Bed, but lately i've been having trouble as i get sore after a while, so i am thinking of trying a chair.

CFTraveler. Your description of transition was crucial in light of clearing misconceptions and it has pointed out to a clearer way. Indeed last night i made use of a lot of the stuff you wrote and it resulted in a profound state of relaxation and peace with the situation that i was going through. I was surprised last night by the lack of fear on my part and i even went as far to have a few visual outputs.


First of all let me point out that last night i was using Frank's Method of inducing an OOBE. That is i was noticing the blackness for movement of any kind while at the same time i was relaxing my body and entering a quick focus 10 level. After a while i saw a lot of visual stimuli which i do not recall, but it was so many that fortunately i do recall some. For instance i know i saw blobby fields, fields of yellow with red dots(lol seriously i did) and at some critical point(which i thought i was going to either explode or be separated in two pieces) i saw in my vision colorful ribbons flowing around creating a rectangular object in the middle of my vision which felt as a gateway to somewhere else. Sadly i wasn't ready to enter. I was having lots of distractions by my physical body which inhibited my efforts.


Namely, have you ever attempted to have an OOBE while partly tired? Well, when you do that you have to yawn all the time and from the constant yawning, tears form in your eyes which after a while dry out and feels like your eyes have been covered in mud. Supposed this happens while you already are in a very deep state of relaxation. What would you do? I for one sticked with it and i am glad i did because i went too far last night and perhaps i would have had an OOBE had it not been for those annoying distractions.


At some point while i was relaxing i felt electricity on my legs and later on it climbed upwards where it ceased(Vibrations?). Much later on when i was fully relaxed and committed to the experience i clicked out(but in a nice way, i didn't do it because i wanted to sleep or lost focus, it was something like a change of phase, that's the best i can describe it, and when it happens this is when the fear kicks in and says, "whoo, just hold on, what is that?") and a rocking motion moved in(but only for a few two or three seconds) which got me thinking, "wow, i am really going" by which point i became detached by the experience.


Generally last night i felt i was really close to achieving something and before i can make progress i think i have to change a few things on the physical part. First of all i need a better pillow(Sorry guys for my babbling, i know it doesn't interest anyone but i want to make a point) because my head gets tired after a while and i have to move it(Somehow i get the feeling that the less you move during an effort to exit the better for the whole experience) and i have to do something about my watery eyes and my yawning. Any recommendations would be welcome.


One last thing. Last night after being in the same posture for nearly an hour i had to change position(my whole body felt sore). I am sure that this inhibits the effort, am i right? I really want to stress out that there can never be a situation that you do not feel your physical body even slightly. One way or another you have to make it shut up so you can do more serious stuff.

Well that is all from my experience last night.

@RisingSon

It is the acronym for Wake Back To Bed.  The basic idea is to sleep long enough to give your body an adequate delta wave deep sleep and then wake up for a while, hopefully near a REM cycle, and then go back to bed and use your visualization methods and so on to enter a trance and hopefully an OBE or lucid dream.  You have to figure out the best time for you since each person has different needs.  For me, about 4 hours of sleep is perfect.  I wake by alarm of course and then meditate for a half hour or so.  Another option is to listen to a binaural beat recording.  Then I go back to bed in full awareness, but also in a half trance already.

So i have a question here, what if instead of sleeping i could use a brainwave generator and artificially induce delta waves? If i do that then isn't the WBTB a redundant process?

Meditation is a practice of focus, and focus is critical in attempting an OBE as far as I can tell.  I too used to think that meditation did nothing for me (actually that is it's major point, to not do).  I learned early on that practicing it alongside physical energy work made both more effective.  By practicing meditation you can enhance your ability to enter trance states, find mental and physical blocks in your mind/body, and also learn to balance your energy.  I've never actually projected from sitting meditation (my preferred stance), but I've had some pretty amazing hypnagogic imagery and sounds.  You have to practice it like any other discipline to find what it can do for you.  Soon it will become as easy as falling off the proverbial log.

I've been trying to deepen my concentration(i am sure that we are talking about the same thing(?)) ever since i was a kid. I am fairly fair at it nowadays. Although there are a few things that turn me up and a few things that turn me down. Meditation is a practice that's in between for me, it conjures neither hot nor cold. Well, dunno, if all else fails i might take up on that advice. It's just that i want to focus on the thingie i REALLY want to experience, and that is an Out of Body experience. Been wanting that for AGES.

These all are common symptoms of "the vibrational state" and my opinion it is best not to fight them or put any negative spin on them.  The heart pounding can be a result of being really afraid and having your physical heart actually going like mad, or it can just be another "phantom" sensation like the sounds you're hearing (please don't ask me about the heart chakra on this one).  Don't worry, they will pass, or you'll learn a way around fearing them.  The big trick is to not fear what happens during the transition - the more you resist, the more likely those sensations will amplify or keep you stuck.  When I get uncomfortable in there I laugh or simply flow with whatever is happening.  I don't think anyone has ever died from them, so fear not! I would add that vibrations are very gentle anymore for me, soothing really, not the violent ones I used to have when I was younger.

Well, please allow me to tell you a few things about fear that you might or might not be aware of. Fear is NOT a product of logic. You cannot tell a person to stop fearing something, because it is physiologically impossible for one to go beyond fear using logic. The only thing you can really do is grow courage(or a sense of adventure as i like to call it), and act while you still are afraid.

I have recently read a neurology book that mentions exactly that. It says(and i quote)

The amygdala, for example is a structure which is implicated in "emotional" memories, like those which create fears, panic attacks and post-traumatic stress disorder. All these problems appear after a very frightening experience takes place and are imprinted upon the brain. Because the cerebral system in which they depend functions independently of conscious, rational thinking, those problems resist to treatments via conscious, logical arguments. If someone has a flight phobia, it is useless to say, "Calm down-Every year more people are killed by bicycles than by airplanes".

I think the same applies here. In order to go beyond your fear you have to cross it. So i guess that summarizes it.

Now where do i begin! Both CFTraveler's and Rising Son's answers were profound.

Well, i guess first things first.

CFTraveler i am indebted to you for sharing your wisdom with me and indeed with the rest of the board. As you see other readers also need those clarifications so i think it's a good thing we are having this conversation.

My way of thinking has always revolved around semantics when i wanted to learn something. With this aspect of practices it's no different. I feel there are lots of terms that you either attach meaning to through your own experiences and oftentimes they do not resemble the experience of your fellow man(despite the fact that they come under the same label). If that is the case i want to identify them and try to reach common ground by correlating experiences and comparing definitions.

So as a consequence of that i have to ask you, please, define what you mean when you say "trance", "light trance"(and i am not going to ask you to analyze anything else for now because yesterday i had you write a whole damned essay!!! so relax bro  ). The reason i am asking you this is to confirm whether or not we attach the same meaning to the word when we both say "trance".

I'll just go ahead and tell you my definition of trance:

Trance for me is a state of being where first of all you are laid in a bed or a (comfy armchair) comfortably, and you try to relax all your muscles so you in a way cancel your body awareness, leaving you only with the awareness of either your conscious or your subconscious factor. That is my definition of trance. Let's compare notes and see how we can communicate from there on.

I want to comment a few things on your post, but i am going to make my point directly when i will post my last night experience here later today. I will just lay out what happened last night, and what would be really useful would be if you could see my written experience and suggest what i could have done differently to avoid or enhance a few situations and show me the indications of which state i was and when, as defined by their certain traits.

All the best and thank you so far for taking the time to clarify a few points.

Forgive me if someone else said this already- I confess I didn't read all the posts- but you don't reach for the vibrations.  'Reaching' for the vibrations was a concept Monroe coined at the beginning of his experiments. His views about this changed after he had some experience.
Vibrations are transitional sensations.  This means that you are at a certain trance state, still aware, and your consciousness is changing.  This change is felt as vibrations (with sounds sometimes).  This shows your awareness is changing.  You don't 'make them happen', you experience them as you make the trance happen.

I have to hand it to you that you are to the point. I thank you for this clarification. This will save me tons of time.

The way you get to the exit state is to maintain conscious awareness as your body falls asleep- there are many meditational methods (including energy work) to help you achieve this state without falling asleep.  The technique Central thread has many of these- pick and choose.

Now here's the thing. Using Mr. Monroe's Journeys out of the Body Audio Program i have reached the state where my body is asleep and my mind is awake. I have even had a session where my body felt heavy as lead but my mind was awake and alert.

As long as i was trying to keep my mind alert i would be awake and that was it. But after a while it would seem that there was no point in this(as nothing would happen) and i would allow my mind to fall asleep(well not actually asleep, perhaps, tranquil(as in contrast to alert) would be a more accurate term..)  a little bit to see whether there would be any change. I managed to stay awake probably 10-15 minutes and nothing happened, so then i started doing the click outs.

Is there something you could suggest as a good, proper way to make that transition? Those past days i made the mistake of overloading my brain with information and i tried several methods all at once. Now i realize that this won't get me anywhere, so i started taking a slower pace.

Now i understand that you have your own way to get there(?), so i would like to hear which method you are using if that's okay with you. Oh and i know you might say that each person is different and that whatever might work for you might not work for me, but please, just go with it and say if you will a method that works for you. I think i can find the wisdom to adapt from that and maybe salvage what suits me.

Please, if you choose to give me that information, be meticulous so i can pump out raw information and process it(i always try to see the principles behind the techniques). The slightest detail might make the difference.

I hope you don't find my request invasive, it's just that i am hopelessly stuck and i seek a way out(literally )

Greetings Rising son. You seem somewhat knowledgeable on the topic so i'll just go ahead and ask a few things if you don't mind.

First of all, what is a WBTB situation?

Second your opinion about heart pounding seems to be one of positive attitude, but there are a few points i would like to make regarding this particular sensation that will explain to you why it is inhibiting to me. First of all when your heart is beating wildly your respiratory rhythm changes. You can't control your breathing anymore and as a counter effect of that, you hyperventilate. This creates a chain effect that not only affects your breathing rate but also your state of mind at the time. To put it simply it knocks you off balance and craps your concentration leaving you altogether frustrated and ultimately forcing you to drop the session.


I don't know if i have the wrong idea or whether or not i could do something to take advantage of the situation, but so far this is what happens to me when my heart is pounding. Only recently have i learned to "turn off" this sensation and i do it by forcing myself to calm down. When i do it my heart rate follows soon after. Now although i can turn it off i have the feeling there is something i could have done differently to create a different outcome, so if you have any tips on how that could be accompliced i would greatly appreciate it.

They are unmistakable though - very different from other sensations I get when going into a light trance, say during meditation.  As for the other sensations you may get together with the "vibes" - increased heart beat, noises, touching, falling/floating sensations - that is all potentially a part of the transition state and should simply be accepted, not fought against, IMO.

I have to say i have never tried to do meditation. It has always seemed to be pointless to me. Although i understand the concept of energy work i figured it would be a lot cooler if i could get out of my body and go somewhere.

Now as far as the other sensations are concerned, i have experienced Heart pounding, noises(but not internal, instead i hear noises in my room when i practice, they always scare the crap out of me, but they always are something normal(i.e. my air condition cooling off, making noises from the temp difference that sort of stuff).), no touching, falling i have encountered oftentimes during my sleep. I get the sensation that i am falling eternally and then suddenly i wake up. Floating now i have never experienced.

I can do this at will. But i don't think that those are the vibrations everyone is talking about, although it could be a semantics issue.

Heart pounding could be it and i could be busting my head for naught, but i got a feeling that the vibrations are distinct from that. I get this idea mainly because when people describe their encounters with the vibrations they are not talking about heart pounding. Instead they speak of a very intense current sort of thing, like electricity running through their bodies and i think that if it was me, i could tell the difference from heart pounding and wouldn't describe it vaguely as "The Vibrations".

I even think Heart pounding is a bad sign when you get it. I for one never been helped by it. It is a sign of fear for me and when it happens it always inhibits any further progress.

I could be wrong but i prefer someone who knows best can clarify the issue.

So i wanted to start a thread on Vibrations but then i noticed this one.

Okay, i have a problem.

HOW DO YOU REACH FOR THE VIBRATIONS?

Timandra this experience sounds like a lot of fun. I hope i can experience something similar myself soon. I am glad that you're finally getting the hang of it and maybe now you can try to figure out what has been slowing you down all this time and find a way to phase quicker, longer and with more meaning.

I will be observing your efforts enthusiastically!

I have been having my share of similar thoughts over time. I came to the conclusion that i should live little bit at a time. Step by step. No use living for the future. The future cannot nurture you. Only the present can(whatever the hell it is).

I also came to the conclusion(through observation of myself) that i am having these kind of thoughts whenever i am frustrated from some aspect of myself or when the world brings me down.


I think there is a great deal of people that use metaphysics as a shelter from the clutches and hardships of this world. People are doing this left and right. Some use metaphysics, others use drugs, others are using sexual partners, etc.

I think the problem is deep. The problem is that people are lazy. They prefer to cover themselves with their blanket(whatever that may be) instead of starting to work, and that's not a very healthy attitude, neither for this world, nor for the next one. Because honestly, if you are lacking motivation to live here nothing is going to change on the other side.

Habit is your problem. Escape your habits and you will feel like you stepped into a different person's shoes. You recognize yourself because of your habits. You hate yourself because you have grown sick of recognizing yourself via your habits. Your habits are your prism of reality. Kick your habits and you've changed your point of view. Then i promise you, it's gonna be so much fun you won't want to finish the game.


I was reading Murphy's laws recently(You know, that set of pessimistic explanations about life which are one part hilarious and the other part makes you miserable because of the accuracy of the truth).

There i encountered something that read:
Capitalism gives you the illusion that you can win the game.
Socialism gives you the illusion that you can tie the outcome.
Mysticism gives you the illusion that you can get out of the game.

Have a good day

'They' say that it can be difficult to study physical world phenomena from the "astral" or "etheric" planes.  Sometimes things aren't quite the same.  Nevertheless, I share your passion.  While I chose to major in psychology, I've always been a huge fan of anstronomy, astrophysics and my favorite cosmology.  When I was young I wanted to be Carl Sagan when I grew up.  That was one of the reasons I wanted to AP.  Contact (book) inspired me to find a way to travel to other worlds to see who I'd meet.  

Oh i understand how you feel. Contact(The Film) has been one of my favourite movies and it has always inspired me. Yes it would be fun to explore for extraterrestrial life but i was hoping more on getting insights that might further my understanding of the fundamental intricate workings of the cosmos. Up to date i have not had any experiences out of the body so i wouldn't know for myself how subjective/objective things might be. I respect the experience of people who have done this before me but i understand there is a process that if done properly can guarantee a good percent of objectivity in an experience.

This is the goal i am setting as the beginning. Who knows now, maybe once i've stepped over the threshold i might start thinking differently. It will all depend on the kind of experiences i get. It's just that i am thinking. If we have such a powerful tool like phasing then why haven't we solved matters like how the world works? Matters like developing a way to utilize free energy for our needs instead of oil. I understand that in the world of Physics exists a fundamental problem, that being that we have no way to intrinsically step further into the problems we face beyond the theories. What if Astral Projection is the answer to this problem?

Now i know those are quite earthly concerns but still that resonates weird to me. If these kind of experiences are true then we should be able to distill pure knowledge out of it and help the world, and since there are not many scientists who are up for the task, i thought i might give it a go at both, setting it as a goal now that i am neither a Scientist nor an Astral Projector.

I will strive to become both. Then hopefully i will be able to distinguish what is true and what is not.

I hadn't been online for a few days now. Thank you all for the warm welcome. I have to say, i have participated in other fora before but this one feels quite warm to be here. I think it must be the spirit of great teachers like Mr Monroe and Frank that is reflected upon everyone here and that is why it feels warm to me.

@Vitruvian I will have to look into it but i am afraid i am more interested in pursuing Phasing or Astral Projection as far as immediate plans are concerned. Although i hope the test is accurate because i am going to try

@Xanth Koy sounds good. Nice to meet you

@Timandra Thank you, Good to be here.



@Everybody I am really looking forward to having a few experiences before i actively start writing here. I have downloaded The Seven Waves of Hemi Sync and are using them every night(1 session per night) so that'll take me about.. 42 nights to complete, by which i hope to have some results. I am always reading the forum though and happen to find it very very interesting as far as experiences are concerned.

Again. Good to be here

I don't know just yet. I am really interested in astrophysics but I will have to decide that when i step on university soil. For the moment I am waiting confirmation.

If all goes well i will begin this September. In my studying period i will be looking forward to succeeding in realizing an Astral Projection and hopefully use it as a tool to further my understanding.

I just hope the experience lives up to people's descriptions and validations.

Hello everyone. I am new here and i hope i get the chance to learn new things. I am interested in finding a way to observe physical phenomena through Astral traveling, so first of all i would like to find out whether or not there is any truth to the phenomenon, and if i can prove it to myself, make it a means to observe things from a more informed perspective than my human awareness allows me to. I hope to be able to combine practical AP application with my studies in Physics in the upcoming year. My goal is Knowledge. Glad to be here