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Ok kl let me know what yout think of his videos. I understand the whole concrete jungle thing as I live in a fairly urban area. But yh you are already a step in the right direction, as you now have a different or improved perception and understanding, soon you will begin to notice different things which will gradually become more and more frequent. If you havent already you may also want to watch these, they were made by Jonathon but it seems other users have uploaded his videos.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2xy8nuHbcjk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4w1kFrtSvoc
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UNQD4TZpYTk

It makes you wonder why his account was suspended, after all youtube is run pretty much by the media. I doubt he just left his account so what did he do for them to suspend him.

Hey Owen, you may like this

http://www.angelfire.com/nd/danscorpio

A guy who reccomended these exercises said they helped him to expand the consciousness more than any other spiritual practice.

Wow thanks, its seems to fit in very well with this post and its an interesting read. He seems to also realise how messages can come through poetry anbd other forms of communication and expression in a symbolic or metaphorical sence.

Thanks ill deffinatly take a look at those, I have been thinking of getting some books. Much appreciated andonitxo.

Stumpy
You seem to be heading forwards although...
I have a strong impression that your trying to much. Its not really about you connecting with the creative spirit. You want to connect with yourself, connect with the world envoiroment. You dont have to enjoy everything around you, im sorry if my posts may be a little misleading. You seem to say you have been trying alot, lol NO! Dont try, want. The thing is if you try to perceive then your perception will mould your beleifs, what I mean by this is if you are trying to perceive an anchor for example then if you hear some random noise you will assume it was an anchor. For example you could just sit and listen for a couple of minutes and wait for a noise, its likely before a couple of mins you will have heard a noise, so if your waiting to perceive an anchor that noise would of been considered an anchor.

You seems to be looking for reactions, this is why I try to stress that all of the above is my expericnce and as a result dont expect the same. Also when I say a love and appreciation, well im not suggesting you to not be yourself as you were before reading my posts. You reccomend slowly developing a reason to appreciate and love dont just force youself with no reason behind it. You will only start to gain if you want to love and you cant just want to love all of sudden you have to start realsing the reasons why and not just because you want to connect or start perceiving the spirit. This means its time to take time in your life to experience things like nature, talk to random people, meet new freinds.

You see what I mean? I have the fealing you are maybe thinking something then hoping to hear some kind of noise but thats not what this perceptions about. I will describe what usually happens with me but as before dont expect it to be the same as me. When I notice an anchor I will first be thinking of something for example then an anchor will occur, I may not pereive the anchor sometimes but when I do its after the anchor im not expecting any form of communication or conformation. Its good that you appear to be becoming more at peace with things in general just dont rush. Basically dont set your goal on perceiving and communicating with the spirit, set your goals on developing self and helping other develop. It will take time, also I thought I would mention another cool anchor I had today.

I was on the train today coming back form London (from trip to art exhibition) and I was listening to my music as usual. Anyway I was looking out the window and I just looked down at the track, exactly at the same time the music track I was listening to (some Bob Marley song I think) said track and I immeadiatly realised this and thought, thats a weird coincidence. Well after the word track the next part of the song was again like a specific message to me. I dont remember thinking of anything but the word track while looking at the track made me pay close attention to the song after. Also when I worte music track its like im doing it again and embedding the message just like you would with an affirmation. But realise I was not thinking about what and why the anchor happend it will come naturally. Also anchors will not just come in the form of noise, sometimes when im feeling really at peace I can look out my window and there is a small bird that lands on the tree outside and hops about, smell, taste all these can be anchors. You may eat something you dont like and at that moment someone walks in the room, that may mean you need to work on your realtionship with them.

Also in terms of the veil, I would say I have yes on the basis I have realised what is all happening helped with my own experience and im now on what I beleive to be the right path. However I dont want to make this into some cultish type following this is a main reason I dont like to use creative spirit. If people begin to use termonolgy such as veil or even creative spirit it will begin to form a seperation from those who dont know or understand it. With this subject it is susceptible for cults to begin to form and just like the chinese whispers new words will be added and eventually the subject will be seperated from what it truely is. So I would suggest try not to use given termonlogy which is provided just to help you understand. If neccersary when explaining to others use your own personal label for what you want to describe.

One last thing as your watching phase 3 where did you get the vids or was it from the torrent?

andonitxo, I think I understand what your saying and I agree. I guess it would be like bottling up that emotion but I also posted "-  [Note] more advanced additional action
For a more advanced ending to the above process I guess you could also add to it. When you visualise the explosion, you could also gather all the stimulus you visualised while destroying the fear such as the smell of the explosion and then replace those stimuli with the previous fear.

You may also want to create a new action, using my example you could visualise a new box and label it "fear of leaving the body" and then visualise the stimulus you gathered from the destruction and placing it in the box. Theoretically I believe this will not only forget the fear but will also replace it with the intent of getting rid of the fear."

So the above was for bottling up that emotion or negativity but then replacing that negativity with the postive conditioning of "I have now got over my fear" aids to prevent those other unwanted behaviours from occuring. So when doing the advanced part, instead of the negativity being displaced into another negative manifestion say anger or sadness, instead I feel the energy will follow the new reprogrammed path of the positive soloution which was backed up by intention during the moment you then visualise the product of the explosion being placed into a new box under the previous box which used to carry the fear. What you said is right and maybe I should of went into a little more detail at the end, still its just bit and bobs I have learnt from others who do NLP, im an ameatur to say the least when it comes to this kind of stuff, my main purpose for all this is to get people intersted to find out for themselves, not to just follow what I give. Still these techniquese have helped me in various ways so I feel they can help, oh and sorry if ive misinterpreted your question. 

[Where to start?]

So you have read about anchors? OK good, well anchors are probably the most obvious way of communication or becoming aware but there is an unlimited amount of other ways you can receive help, guidance, information and so on. Its first important to realise you are not given these abilities so you can show off or get better at some test. As I said the creative spirit just wants people to break free from all the negativity which seems to be dragging the whole of human consciousness which is also dragging everything down with it.

Where to start?
Now using words to explain my points, well written language is just a set of varied letters which form a word, which form a sentence. Those in similar situations will understand its near impossible to give a full representation using this coded language when you expressing something you have to experience. If you have had one of those surreal astral projections, for example, there was one projection where I had two bodies facing each other. I was looking from both bodies at the other body with both sets of vision. Still the visions did not overlap each other yet I could still see clearly with both sets of vision at the same time just as you are seeing now. This is something I cant describe well with words and no matter how hard you try to imagine it I really doubt it will an accurate imagination of my experience, so the best chance of understanding this is by experience for yourself.

So its very simple in terms of where to start and bare in mind ill do my best, I have to explain a multitude of many thought processes and emotions through words like love so its a vary basic explanation. First of an important part is to love, not just your family, friends, strangers, animals, the univere but also yourself. You see we are all connected to each other and the essence of our self all stems to one single point, like a spider web. So if you love yourself your essentially loving everything. This said part of loving yourself means loving everything even that you may perceive as external from yourself. For example just look in front at the desk or a table, take a minute and just glance at the random cup or pen whatever. Appreciate the design of it all, its hard to explain but not in the sense of a designer but in the sense of an artist. With this love and appreciation you start to find beauty in everything and this further uplifts you sense of being.

If you see someone struggling holding a large amount of bags for example go and help them even if they say they live a couple of blocks away from your house, that does not matter give them a hand. If they just look at you and ignore you like some may then just let them be. You had the positive inttention and the creative spirit knows. These little gestures of appreciation and love are important. The last time someone was nice to you, maybe giving you some money to buy some food, sure you may appreciate it for a while but then you'll simply forget about it, but your spirit as well as subconscious will remember this, your being will be saying "lifes not that bad afterall theres people out there who care" So yeah care for people, also forgive, now I recently forgave someone who I never thought I would ever even like. This is something that may take time but it is worth it, it doesn't nessecarly mean become friends again just understand we are all different.

You may disagree with others opinions, actions etc but not loving them because of it is the same as not loving them for being who they are. Does anyone have the right to not care, love, like someone just because they are themselves. These are all the kind of things you start to realise, and it can be pretty emotional. Thats something that has been very apparent when you start learning and perceiving in this way of life. Theres people I see who seem to be having a hard time in life and I have not try and help them if there willing to have or want help. Theres a girl I used to talk to on man ages ago and I saw her display pic. In the pic she wasn't showing any emotions but I messaged her simply saying "whats wrong?" without talking to her for months, she replied saying about some issues shes been having.

So we talked for ages then at the end she said wait how did you know and I not knowing what to say I just said "I just knew". Well I just knew I would have told her about the creative spirit but I got the impression it wasn't the right time. This kind of thing starts to happen often people will even randomly start to talk to you and ask for help even though they don't really know you, its really satisfying and this is why I want to help others. This is not some chore, some task you have to do. You have to genuinely care and love others, if you have to force yourself then your not at the right stage to be following these steps. So I hope this gives an idea of where to start. ".. If you want to be rewarded in life then make it your mission to earn it .." did you notice that in the above posts? This is one point I was relating to, if your someone who's thinking I want to become very wise or be able to manifest things but you don't feel you should use it to help others then theres is no point reading my posts because you will not gain anything from it.

So essentially all you do is go out of your way to help those who need help and love those who need love. In return a profound appreciation and understanding will be given to you and a guidance whenever needed. I actually believe karma is based on this but like most of religion its been separated which has resulted in people believing in karma yet still being oblivious to the creative spirit. Like some say "yh, i believe in karma, Ive experienced it" yet if I was to ask them well where does the "karma" come from? what source? how does this "karma" know if you are a positive person? They wouldn't even know, i cant help but find this funny. People still believe in karma so to stop people from whats really going on in the world its easier if were manipulated to relate karma to its own mystical believe.

Manipulating and changing
Another thing, is spirit guides, ( Its funny that I wrote this and I haven't even thought about it before) I don't know if you have heard of a spirit guide but this is another aspect which has differered and separated over time in my opinion. Like karma the spirit guide I believe in its raw form is simply the creative spirit. If you don't know about the so called spirit guides this link may provide some info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_guide. The problem is this to has been broken down to the point where its beleived theres many spirit guides who usually look after one person at a time but i believe it to be quite the opposite, its one spirit who looks after everyone appearing differently based on perception and expectation, although thats not ruling out the possibility of other spirits guiding.

But wait if this spirit protects us then why is their so much negativity in the world? Well when we was created along with the whole universe. I need to take a step back here quick. After reading that some may get the impression I mean some finger pointing creating the earth, then sun etc but no neither do I mean the big bang. I don't know how we was created I haven't even thought of asking or looking, the important fact is we are here now. Well the creative spirit has created us to have some company through a collective consciousness. I don't know the full reasons but that is my impression and the problem with this is as we are have ego etc to give us a sense of self that ego has its own freedom to bring positivity as well as negativity. This negativity I believe cant be directly affected so now its a battle for the creative spirit to show people the negativity using its manifestations. Sure the spirit could just leave us but it wouldn't because we are part of it.

Other ways of learning
So other ways you can learn from the spirit is directly through the mind, this does not mean that you become possessed or anything its like one part of yourself which is usually hidden by other aspects of yourself such as the ego suddenly rises up and starts feeding you the things you need. Often i will just be sitting their maybe watching TV or out with my mates then a thought will just randomly pop into my head and I will immediately focus on it ignoring anything that I was thinking about previously. Lol for me its actually like getting an email pop straight into my head. Remember this is me, my experiences, you have different thought processes, different goals, strengths, weaknesses to me so the creative spirit will deal with this accordingly. I could write a list of what you can expect to happen but this will not help you, instead I need to help people understand why. A good example is write now as I'm writing this I'm trying to stick to the original question but I'm constantly being being guided to provide a way of understand and perceiving and not telling. Its funny because often I read my posts at a later date and its like I didn't know I knew that before.

Anyway as well as anchors, and direct information something I also find happens offten for me is the dual meaning, through music, talking, nature, art etc like some of the examples I gave but I'm assuming you read all that so ill skip dual meaning at the moment unless you would like to know more. One thing to understand is we are all part manifestation of the creative spirit, again I don't like saying the creative spirit, that is not its name. As we are on an astral projection site I'm assuming you know about manifestation, you may have already manifested something in the astral or here in the physical. Once you have experienced this its easier to understand how the creative spirit can do all these things.

I remember when I first had sleep paralysis with a scary hallucinogenic hallucination a couple of years ago which made me look around to find out what had happend (having know experience of the metaphysical) which eventually lead me to learn and experience astral projection, I gained a new perspective on life when I first projected and I have had a lot of projections, all due to this one random hallucinogogic of sleep paralysis. It lead me to gain a whole new dimension on what life is, but as much as astral projection is liberating and life changing I can honestly say this new stage in my life has blown astral projection out of the water as it were. You  may not see where I am going here, but before that sleep paralysis I was well, as much as I hate to say very antisocial or what people like to label as a chav nowdays, Before these stages I had been arrested multiple times, doing all sorts of drugs, I had alot of issues etc. Well I was one of the most unlikely people to ever even consider following any form a metaphysical or spiritual studies.

I now see astral projection as a previous stage of my life which I learnt about so I can have a better understanding and perception for this new stage. Not only that, what is sleep paralysis, its basically waking up in a period of sleep. Lol thats exactly what the sleep paralysis has done woke me up from a life of unconscious life, its dual meaning, I have only just realised this its like a little confermation, I understand how people will see this whole subject and think I'm crazy, I understand that I always like to look at myself form a an external perspective, its exactly what some people thought of me when I told them about astral projection. Its a very small price to pay thats all I have to say. Anyway that is a good live example of dual meaning with the whole sleep paralysis thing.

I know that, that first sleep paralysis happend for a reason. That one manifestation has led me to where I am today and I can safely say you will be hard pressed to find anyone happier with life than me. I actually enjoy when things go wrong in life, just as much as the good things that happen. Its almost like a game where the creative spirit, will occasionally throw hard balls to see how I cope and at those moments I have a little part of my mind passively observing as well as reassuring me, its one of those things which cant really be explained or understood without the experience. (not litterally throwing balls at me of course  )

So those are some good examples, these manifestations when created by the creative spirit have the power to change your life no matter how mundane or irrelevant they seem. Look at this post for example, this is a manifestation. People similar to me some who have an interest in astral projection, may then read my post and think, "yeah that makes sense to me" or "yh I know what you mean maybe I should further explore this" which may even lead to those doing what I'm doing which is trying to help people discover this new perception and help others when they can. I hope you realise I always try to word my thoughts in  "I feel", "in my experience", etc. This is because I try to follow a rule i thought off which I used to have in an old sig, http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o148/owenp185/newestsig.jpg "To learn requires curiosity and the desire to explore that curiosity" I don't want any beliefs or expectations forced on anyone, I have made the article for those who become curious, those people will search for their own answers, with that curiosity they will seek the knowledge and as a result gain a better understanding of that knowledge.

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Also stumpy: I would like to explain a little more to you about your message. He says "church is bull" but I don't believe he is simply saying that belief is wrong. In fact he has learnt alto about Christianity, hes just against the religions of today which have been moderated, manipulated etc due to certain people at the time. I'm not religious but I know that all religions have very usefull teachings especially in metaphor its just a matter of interpretting it in the right way. The bible for example is a great source to learn new things through dual meaning. So to any people who follow any religions you can still learn and a gain further understanding on this. Religion in my opinion is just a product or interpretation almost of the creative spirit.

Its like you have one person speaking in German and a group of people who speak English. As the German speaks the people who speak English have to interpret what the German guy is saying. Well naturally you may understand some words being similar to their own language or through body gestures but also alot will be missed and misunderstood. The group of English people may begin to form their own ideas to what words mean and use that or get the wrong links to what he is actually saying because their perception has a different understanding of both the language and the German guys actual intent and reasoning behind what he is saying. So my views are religions have slowly lost there true purpose and have developed into over elaborate groups which has focused on separations of the creative spirit instead of the simple need for love and care for all others not just with their belief system.Kind of like the same concept as Chinese whispers. I don't want to offend anyone here so know that none of this is meant in a negative way.

Thanks, that book sounds very interesting. Its really one of those things which is hard to explain and even harder without sounding like your crazy to others who havent yet experienced it. It really is a wonderfull to be experincing this, like I have just woken up, its good to know others are experiencing this and at the moment im trying to show others, I consider this a personal mission. Of course I dont want to force feed anyone anything so im working on casually getting people interested in the whole subject, I find letting peoples curiosity guide them is always better then just getting people to remember things you have learnt.

Thanks iNNERvOYAGER for the comment. I wasnt planning on developing it into a book or anything it was only really my thoughts at the time written up although I may develop it in the future with some other peices of info. English isnt my strong point so I just wrote it up and done some spellchecks, but when I have time ill go through it and make some corrections where I see possible.

[My experience with the creative spirit:]

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The Creative Spirit & Dual Meaning
-[Note] I really recommend watching the videos below to understand what Im going on about in this section because the poster of the videos has a great amount of knowledge and he is great at explaining everything in this subject of dual meaning and messages in life. If you watch most of his playlists you will appreciate how much his love for the "creative spirit" actually is. 

Please keep in mind that this section is based on my own experience and current understandings. Also as this involves a little bit on religion please let me know if anything I write you find negative, I have know intention of being negative or preaching my beliefs. This is all to voice my interest, spark a little interest and hopefully generate some good discussion.
Jonathon's YouTube Channels ~recommend Phase 3 first~
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This subject for me is new and very interesting in my opinion. I have watched many videos on what is called the creative spirit now and ive been thinking about it for a while now. When I first got into astral projection and lucid dreaming it not only brought some great experiences and new interests but also a whole new perception. Well these videos from this one user has also opened up an additional whole new perception on life which I was never aware off which astonishes me. I don't want to just repeat his words as I would prefer you to see the videos yourself so I will just talk about what I have learnt and observed so far after experiencing and this new perception on life.

I feel it may be important to state at this point that I don't follow any religions although I know there is a lot of knowledge to be gained throughout various religions especially in metaphor and dual meaning so there's no need to join Christianity, Islam or any other video to believe in the creative spirit.

I also understand this subject will generate a wide range of varied opinion as I understand the videos and some of this can be a shock to how you perceive life as it did me. So I suggest you use your own perception and understanding to come up with whether you find this subject truthful and more importantly useful.

So this whole subject revolves around what Jonathon calls the creative spirit. Personally I would rather not give the creative spirit a name, for me its like labelling everything everywhere in one name. But, for simplicity we will use the creative spirit. The creative spirit is what I believe most religions call God, but Im not going on about "god" in the contexts of most religion so don't let any possible previous conflicts towards the subject of god influence you want to be an objective.

I say be objective because I have been disagreed with all religions since I was born not particularly because I don't believe anything they say. Its because I feel every religions teaching today has been passed down like Chinese whispers with important truths being left out and other things added in. Also I have always disagreed with any form of supervisory which I feel is imposed in many ways such as worshiping and even God.

When I say the creative spirit Im not talking about some being in heaven ETC. Instead I refer to consciousness which I believe created everything from nature to the non physical planes. I would also say reality is the creative spirit because I believe everything is part of this spirit including you and I. This is how I believe ALL people have the ability to be physics and do telekinesis, its just we have simply become entangled in other aspects of life to think about consciousness.

The creative spirit for me has also helped me understand something I have been wondering for quite some time. Since I first projected I have always believed that all the nonphysical planes were created by one single point of consciounes but not in some God type way. I also believe that the non physical planes then formed the physical planes in a very simple form done by the creative spirit.

Jonathon's makes a good explanation why he feels the creative spirit/ consciousness created everything. This is because it was alone with know interaction, love, and experience. I believe it is the creative that consciousness even created the astral planes so this is why consciousness doesn't really occupy any space or time. Anyway it created everything as an extension as part of itself but not like waving some magic wand just like an instant manifestation we are all able to do while astral projecting.

So it appears the creative spirit has a number 1 priority of love as all it wants for the whole of the collective consciousness is a harmonious existence. Obviously this isn't happening and humanity appears to be the root of this break down due to many issues which the animal kingdom doesn't have. This is why the creative spirit has begun intervening trying to remind people what life is all about.

It made me think since being an astral projector and understanding a little about collective consciousness does it not make sense that consciousness created the astral planes as well as the physical planes through simple manifestation. Consciousness is an integral part of all life, for example the human body can be separated and even transplanted into others. The body can also be cloned but conscioussnes cant and in my opinion its the very essence of who we are and it gives us the ability to form our personality, perceptions, belief systems, emotion and experience.

I cant stress enough how important I feel its is to say that our human, animal, perhaps alien ETC consciousness is all one this is why I disagree with saying the creative spirit as if it is the actual name. As you know when we are born we are brought up with a name and this is has become a major part of who we see ourselves as. So if I refer to something as if it's a name different to yours  then its easy to feel we are external, even while I write this my perception is constantly in confusion switching the creative spirit as internal to external.

Now a good way to I get around this "identity" crisis is instead think of the creative spirit as more of a characteristic instead of an identity. The creative spirit in my eyes is simply (creative=creator and spirit=consciousness). So with the above understanding it went from the mysteries subject of God to an almost metaphysical subject of consciousness and I now have a better way of interpreting my thought without the dogma carried by religions.

So what does the creative spirit do aside form create? Well I obviously have a limited understanding but I seem to be learning a lot about the creative spirit and I have not been looking anything up in books or the internets and I almost feel like a medium Im constantly thinking of writing more and more and a lot of the stuff I have been writing I didn't even knew I knew but Ill write as much as I feel necessary.

As I said the creative spirit creates but it can also communicate with every human and animal that has a consciousness. This can be done through very literal ways as well as hidden ways such as messages directed to you which I have already started experiencing or perceiving. I do believe these messages are sent all the time throughout life but they are well hidden and easily mistook for everyday events in life and without the understanding the dual meaning is also occurring.

These messages can come by thoughts in your head as well as answers to your thoughts externally and this is something that really fascinates me. In NLP one important tool is anchoring and this is done to reinforce something directly to your subconscious, actually the "quick technique" I wrote up above is a good example of anchoring. You know the one where you use an action to reinforce your amplified emotion, but it doesn't have to be an action it could also be a verbal or done through sensory input like a mental image. Well this is what from my little experience occurs most when you become aware that the creative spirit is trying to communicate so ill give some of my own experiences.

My experience with the creative spirit:
Well the first time I believe I noticed something anchoring my thoughts was when I was watching phase 3 which was the first playlist I watched on Jonathon's YouTube channel http://uk.youtube.com/user/adampants2007 which I also found the most interesting. There's a point when he was talking about these natural anchors and at this point a train outside sounded its horn. He then pointed out that it was an anchor and carried on until again he stopped then It went of again then he started to go on with what he was saying. Of course it could have just been a coincidence and that's what I took it for with the mind set of ill believe it when it happens to me.

So I carried on watching until again he said something which made me think how cool it was and as soon as he finished talking a dog barked once outside my house. I started thinking cool, maybe it's true and carried on watching and another two times the dog barked each time he stopped his sentence.

At this point I was seriously thinking about whether it's actually true mentally asking in my head. I wasn't expecting an answer, I was just thinking, but as I thought the dog started barking like mad and at that point I considered it as a message saying yes it is actually really happening.

However this is very small in comparison to a lot of things I have been experiencing, which I have now ruled out as coincidence. Things are still happening and the timing is incredibly accurate in response to my thought on the occasions when Im thinking of the more important things like this very subject.

Its funny I never noticed this until Jonathon mentions it which is if someone has something on their mind others can respond to their thoughts with dual meaning unintentionally/unknowingly. This is because of the very nature of dual meaning, its not easily picked up unless your perception is focused on picking it up and the more my perception shifts the more I seem to be getting these responses which is very exiting to be experiencing.

Jonathon gives an example of something along the lines of "My mate might walk out of the shop with a large pizza, and I say, "NO way?" and he's mate may have been thinking about whether or not he should start smoking again. Well his mate consciously would have thought he was talking about the pizza but the subconscious picked up "No way" in response to should I start smoking.

Well I have had my fair share of anchors and what I perceive as messages both in dual meaning and very literal ways especially when listening to music. Im always listening to music so its only natural the majority of my messages are coming from music. The odd thing is all my music is very old now as I hared it all so much times and I have been meaning to download some new tracks but I don't have the internet.

I find it odd because I know all the lyrics for all my songs yet as soon I learnt about the creative spirit its like my songs are all about a totally different subject and some I just cant stop laughing about because some are so obvious yet I have been so oblivious. I feel like I have been driving a car with the windscreen painted black but now I have cleaned it all of and Im finally able to see the road fully.

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I have posted the music videos so you can listen to some of the songs for yourself. I would recommend you atleast listen to the "phase 3" videos and the "subliminal" videos though first to get what I mean.

The first time I noticed was when I went in the bath. I pressed play on my phone which was on my reggae playlist and it started playing "Big City Life" by Mattfix and well it was really like the creative spirit talking to me about what I have been thinking and learning about. Also it felt very personal so the song and reading my experiences might not have that same feeling instead Im encouraging you to use you own perception in life. Listen to some of your songs and see if pick up anything although don't expect anything just observe every now and then.

Big City Life
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4mtfnfQoAco
Parts such as:
1."Don't you wonna know me..." The creative spirit asking if I want to know it
2."Be a friend of mine... ". Asking to become aware of it
3."Ill share some wisdom with you..." If I do it will share its wisdom
4."Don't you ever get lonely..." Do I not feel alone?
5."From time to time..."
6".Don't let the system get you down..." Don't let the government and bad consciousnesses get me down

1."Soon our work is done..." Soon the creative spirit and this message will get through to people
2."All of us one by one..." It will just have to be acknowledged one by one

1."I find myself in a big city prison, arisen, from the vision of man kind..." Found out that the world is in control of government and the ego worsened with things I have found out like subliminal messages, all created by mankind
2."Designed, to keep me, discretely, neatly in da corner..." Created by the government to keep people from speaking out and knowing the truth

I understand reading all this may sound... maybe paranoid but the songs were like conversations which are directed straight at my moods, thoughts, interests and it was truly like Im being told many messages by this creative spirit. Anyway after the first experience above I then got out and went to bed while showing my brother the subliminal messages in media like Disney and he was surprised well shocked is a better description.

Eventually after explaining what I have been learning I told him about Big city life and I thought we may as well listen to some more see if we can get any dual meaning or messages so I go to the next song in my phone and its goes to "Natural Mystic" by Bob Marley and this song sounded as though the whole song was based on this subject

Natural Mystic
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ISaqFAKTh7I
Parts such as:
1."Theres a Natural mystic blowing through the air..." I thought maybe the natural mystic represents the creative spirit which has been brought to me and now my brother's attention
2."If you listen carefully you will hear..." Basically if you look closely at life and at the media you will see what is really going on
3."This could be the first trumpet..." This is the time the word gets out
4."Might aswell be the last..." Maybe the subject of the creative spirit will continue to spread
5."Many more will have to suffer, many more will have to die..." I interpret it as people will continue to be controlled until something is done
6."Things are not the way they used to be ..." The world has changed due to all this control or forgetting about loving each other
7."One and All gotta face reality now..." Do I have to explain? If any messages are obvious I would say this is one of the most literal ones I pick up so far.

I could go on for ages with the songs there's even the song
"There for you" by Damien Marley which seems to talk a lot about Astral Projection and the need for Love.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hHNHsWSs8Ww

You don't have to believe in the creative spirit all I ask is you just look out every once and a while. Don't just start thinking and expecting things to come to you, just look out for anchors or unusually comments which could be a response to what you were thinking.

Love:
As I have been writing various parts in this section Im constantly having the word love pop up in my head. Maybe partly due to the fact the creative spirit  = love so like dual meaning thinking of the creative spirit will also make me think more about love so as I feel I need to talk about love I will do it here. So as you hopefully know by now I believe all the creative spirit wants is for everyone to just love each other and appreciate what it has created.

One point I would like to mention is the fact that the word love can actually be used to overshadow negativity. Have you ever seen documentaries or films of various cults and they are so brain washed that they are smiling and constantly going on about love and being happy but it seems as though they have actually lost the true meaning of love like they have been following the identity of love but the not intent of love, that makes sense in my head lol.

Well this is certantly not what this is all going. Ego is a part of every individual and the same with emotion. Love is the idel straight but this does not mean you cannot be angry, sad, happy, nervous or any other emotion. A big part of love I from ym point of view is definatley acceptance. This is actually something I have constructed into my way of thinking for a couple of years now. I have always accepted that bad and good happens in life and I believe it be foolish to ntoaccept that.

So I find acceptance helps me a lot I actually sometimes appreciate the times when negativity is brought upon me like it's a challenge to see I will overcome it. But something I used to lack is actually caring for others. I would accepts and be happy with everything in life but a lot I just wouldn't care about.

A couple of things im begging to do is forgive aswell as appreciate the world (physical & non physical) in design I love art and Im now seeing how everything from nature to dark dingy alleys have a real presence and character. Its like life is a constantly changing painting, very inspiring.

As you will know "Love" is a word which can mean many things. It reminds me a little of a video of a man "Osho" which you may want to look up and watch. Anyway I get the impression nowadays that love is mainly referred to in a romantic sense but that's a small part of love. Many words come to mind when I think of love some more common than others:

A few examples:
•   Appreciation
•   Family
•   Fulfilment
•   Sex
•   Content
•   Relationship
•   Excitement
•   Caring

You get the idea, yet with all the ways you can refer to love it can be very easy to understand despite its complexity. Different people's perceptions will have different words to go with love just like my examples. Also certain relations to the word will no doubt come up a lot more than others but ultimately I don't believe anyone has a right or wrong perception of Love because it's your consciousness and perception what shapes your world.

I remember when Jonathon was referring to love in his videos; I thought maybe I should look it up on wiki! The instant second thought was, "What the bonk?!" sorry for the language but very literally. I fortunately realised, why? Why should I look it up on the internet? I know what love is the same way I know what happiness, anger... is and so on so why should I cloud my own perception with others perceptions of love.

I find this important because just like I have been saying when reading this, use your own perceptions and try not to rely on others as it will only shape you own perception. I guess you may be thinking at this point Im being a little contradictory writing all this then telling you to rely on your own perception.

But no, Im not telling you to belief, research, perceive anything. I have always thought if you want someone to learn then all you need to do is provide your lesson in an interesting way and if they are curious they will learn in their own time and way. All I want you to do is to form your own opinions on this subject but more importantly form your own opinion on what life is really about.

So with that out of the way, ill get back to dual meaning and the creative spirit. I don't feel the creative spirit will punish you anymore then you would punish yourself so if you don't keep love a priority in your life then I then the creative spirit will simply keep its distance.

For example if you got to stroke a cat but the cat is in a bad mood and starts to hiss then the best thing to do is to just take a step back and let the cat get better. Well this is how I get the impression the creative spirit works it will give you some encouragement to be positive but ultimately if you stay in a negative mind set the creative spirit will focus on others.

If you keep positive and remain living then the best benefit is knowing that the creative spirit/ life is appreciating your company. This in my experience so far brings a whole set of benefits which can come in many forms. Some of these I have learnt swell as experienced is.

Some examples of what I have been getting a lot more than usual:
-   Given guidance– I seem to often have a visual image of the word love pop up in my head at regular intervals during the day which I find odd because it has been impossible for me to remember reality checks without using an alarm of some kind.
-   Instead of just enjoying life Im actually starting to really care about others
-   I feel more fulfilled all the time
-   Given clues and a direction to head in – Yesterday a girl was going to go home on a bus with me and her friend said he will probably ignore you, I immediately understood that Im becoming a little to dissociated socially.
-   Understanding NLP and dual meaning– Messages through lots songs like the examples above.
-   I feel I have a better understanding of how everything in life is designed– Whoa, I just realised my eye sight seems perfect, I don't know if it has anything to do with this.  Although maybe it's just a placebo affect.

Those are a couple of things I have noticed of the top of my head. To be honest whether you agree or believe, being content and having a profound appreciation and Love towards everything your around is an ideal mind state to be in, don't you agree? That's certainly probably the most important thing I have learnt in my life and all throughout the past few days.

All I can say is after writing this section Im on one the best highs I have been on in a long time and I will help anyone who wants to know more about any of the subjects. Of course Im still learning, so I want to discuss these subjects if you find it interesting.

Other tips
I try to get these tips across a lot so I thought it would be a good thing to add them. They aren't the usual tips such as using a dream journal as Im focusing on tips I don't really see people mention or even think about.

(Brains Interpretation) - First thing, I often see when people are having trouble with something they say "I can't" or "It's impossible". Titles along the lines of "Please help me, no matter how hard I try I can't project". Now if you just look at that sentence you're pretty much unintentionally telling yourself Im not able to do it and I can't no matter how hard I try. So, you may get peoples help but you may also be making the situation worse.

A simple fix you could apply is instead say "So far I haven't projected so could I have some help so I can project next time". Now you have turned something negative into a positive now you're saying I will project next time to your mind. Remember other people reading the negative words will also pick some of it up.

(Simplicity) - Secondly, I remember when I first got into Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming and I found dozens of various methods some with lots of people recommending so I would go for those and constantly reading particular methods trying to project/lucid dream like I was reading an instruction manual looking for the right one. But I forgot the more important points of achieving astral projection and lucid dreaming.

•   Relaxation – No matter how many techniques you try if you want to project you must be able to become fully relaxed aswell as comfortable, (Although there are certain techniques which also work by utilizing REM and alternate sleep patterns.) Also not a false or forced relaxation like I would sometimes find myself doing but the relaxation like if you were sitting on a nice beach just relaxing. That may sound odd but some may know what im on about.
•   No fear – You can't be afraid of astral projecting and you will need to learn there's nothing to fear. I remember when I first started to meditate I used to get irrational thoughts of negative beings standing next to me while I had my eyes closed like the first time I experienced random sleep paralysis but eventually I reinforced the fact nothing will happen. Basically you want to feel safe and have know underlying negative emotions which will keep cropping up during meditation.
•   Ready – When I say ready it's basically are there any issues you can't stop thinking about or are you just not in the mood to relax. You have to remember that your physical and mentally you'll have to do some work in meditation and just like not being in the mood for exercise your body may not be in the mood to meditate or relax lowering your chances.

I believe the above with a simple relaxation technique such as simple deep breathing after discipline and practise will be enough to get you to the exit point, then a simple roll out or lift out should have you exit and if not, your awareness is likely not full or your becoming to excited or emotional which means more practise may be needed.

Think of astral projection methods as a bunch of suits, sure you can try out other people's suit to find a perfect fit but ultimately you want your suit tailor made for a perfect fit. So look at your strengths before attempting hundreds of various exit techniques and also remember going for the more complicated methods doesn't necessarily bring better results.

(Routine and conditioning) – Also don't let disappointments become routine. Routine is very similar to conditioning and if something happens again and again it will start to become imprinted into your brain as what's supposed to happen. So when you try to project and you can't quite get out of body try not to think about it as a failure. Instead think of it as a step closer and next time you will have more experience so projection will be easier.

I believe the reason people still manage to project after many attempts is because eventually experience begins to overtake conditioning but if you think of getting closer each time instead of going nowhere then at least this way you are conditioning yourself that you are getting closer to achieving your projection.

(Small Progressive Steps)- When you have a big task ahead of you its tempting to just go for it and keep at it. This can work but it can be just as effective if you take small steps as if you take small easy steps there is not really a point where you will reach a dead end if you know what I mean. When I first started trying to project I was trying to project straight away.

This often led to me getting to a point where I just couldn't seem to progress but then I learnt that if I go in steps its easy to go that little extra each time. I apply the same thing to when Im doing things like press-ups, instead of aiming for a set amount I will go up in 10's and each day I will also try to do one extra press-up. Also I find practising meditation for a brief period before attempting astral projection helps.

(Don't make meditation a task) – Meditation is a very fulfilling practise as much as it relaxes I would also say its fun. I understand there is a lot of desire to reach certain gaols such as an astral projection but you cant let that desire over shadow your success in small steps and don't let it over shadow your fun

For example if someone wants to project and manages to only get the arms to go into full paralysis, then next time there legs also go into paralysis. Enjoy the feeling and focus on the success as you may not have fully projected but you experienced something new and got closer to you main goal.

(Dual Meaning)
To put it simply NLP is largely based upon dual meaning and the mind (mainly the subconscious) has a tendency to pick up on dual meaning. So you can use it to your advantage in various situations. For example you get in a shower then visualise all your fears, habits, problems simply going down the drain or even when walking feel each step you are taking is leading you to your personal goals

..Owen G Prescott..
.. If you want to be rewarded in life then make it your mission to earn it ..

My Poem/ Rap on subject

Time for confession

Time for confession, unearthly designed life we be stressing

Chaotic, influenced, destructive, state of oppression

Minds running, chasing, a world they we be messing

Crying out, open arms, Ancient time we testing

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Brought up in darkness, baby of new world corruption

A mutation, regeneration, baby of destruction

Reinforced in steel, heavy, under construction

Misinformed, new society, shadows of dysfunction

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Friction, pen to paper, writing self, writing lies

Life sitting, wondering, looking in our eyes

Instead we aim, shoot, innocence dies

Forgetting, the importance, will we ever realise

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Peripheral vision, blind, under restriction

Confliction everywhere, all motion in fiction

Violence, affliction, drugs, false jurisdiction

Human race, creator, of disgraceful addictions

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Insanities justice, pollution of the minds disruption

Walk on by, oblivious, under past assumption

Humanity lost, embedded in negative consumption

Earth, this volcano, an imminent eruption

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Negative thinking, part sewn on the brain

We be falling, vertical fall, slip there we go again

Look beyond eye sight, express distance to maintain

Choose to perceive, perceive the blood from the rain

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You see those speaking out, free thought, they public enemy

In this cult, no sorry we say human society

Promoted workers, in a volatile, lost industry

Its your choice, follow instruction, or follow your own destiny

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Me, I've come to demonstrate, to intercept

All in the mind, remove any damage done to your intellect

Without freedom comes no speech, no time to cause effect

Its time to disinfect, its time to  give respect

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The mission, a destination

Its time to awaken

A new manifestation

No more hesitation

Peace, Love, appreciation its all true creation

Hopes for the worlds new relation of unity across the nations

[Sensation (Physical/mental)]

NLP in (Physical & Astral Planes), Creative spirit + Other Tips

- [Note]
It's important to realise that everything I have written up can be used in many situations so I adapt my examples and techniques if it will benefit. Also bare in mind some of the terminology I have made up as I don't know all the correct terms.

Included:
•   NLP Info (basics)
•   NLP technique (Detailed)
•   NLP technique (Quick)
•   Astral NLP info
•   Example of Astral NLP/ Lucid NLP
•   Creative Spirit & Dual meaning Info (+videos)
•      My experieince with creative spirit
•      Love
•   Other tips

NLP info (basics):
When I first of heard of Neuro Linguistic Programming I assumed it would be a very complicated psychological process, but as I learnt more I actually found the various NLP techniques are actually fairly easy as long as you understand what you want to achieve and the process. At my current understanding I would say NLP is like an interface which you can use to interact with your mind in ways you may find very difficult otherwise.

It can be a very effective way of accessing the brain and fine tuning and altering information and other aspects within the mind. This is useful to alter things such as emotion & memory, fairly similar to hypnosis in the way its helps access the sub-conscious. It's also important to know NLP can cause both positive and negative effects which often happen without any conscious intention and awareness you're doing so, this can result in dramatic change both physically and mentally.

There are many NLP techniques to "program" your neuro network and when using these techniques you can train your brain into changing maybe a habit, or any other issues. In addition the basics of NLP also require little expertise to gain the desired results along as theirs an understanding of what is being done and why.

To be more specific one use for NLP could be to overcome a fear of leaving your body and this is the example I will use to demonstrate a couple of NLP techniques below. Ill start with a technique I feel works very well and remember that nothing in the technique is set in stone Im just showing you some basics which I encourage you to look further into and even create your own techniques.

Although we shift states of mind like change in emotion but when you want to change that mind set intentionally it becomes easier if the mind has a guide in the form of an understanding of how and why the change is happening. This is why NLP works well because you can see the steps to why and how your mind works on certain levels which can help greatly especially when it comes to body language which I will get onto later.

The main reason I find NLP to be very effective is because humans tend to find things in physical form easier to understand and deal with as opposed to the mental aspects. For example if I was to say turn the tap and water will fall from the tap and fill the sink whilst also demonstrating, then its easy to understand because you can see it and can tell from past experience that turning the tap will result in action.

But if you mentally want change but your mind only really remembers how physical actions cause desired reactions with intent then it's not so easy for your mind to just change with and intent alone unless it has a process to follow, or if its taken over by another emotion or thought ETC. So by turning your mind mentally into some-what of physical matter helps the mind better interpret you intent into a reaction just like what how the mental mind perceive physical change.

For the techniques below you can practise with others, alone, in meditation or even while doing a handstand if you really feel comfortable that way but of course I recommend you either sit or lie down. Im going to write this up like a demonstration although I would advise you to read and understand the technique first. Maybe you could give it a try later as reading while also trying it out may influence your own perception with my examples.

So for the 1st stage "the understanding" it may help to not meditate so you're free to move, which I find works better, then for the 2nd stage "the action" start to meditate, the deeper the better so you have everything out the way for the action visualisation.

- [Note]
You may want to make sure no one will walk in the room when your practising the technique, I can imagine someone walking in and thinking your going crazy while you appear to be stroking fin air.

Detailed NLP Technique
The Understanding
As I mentioned for an example I will show you how I would use a particular technique to overcome a fear of going out of body. Make sure you are comfortable and take in the reason behind the process as opposed to following instructions. Its important you understand these processes not just remembering them. Before you get into the NLP you can just sit down and relax your body, simply doing some slow deep breathes for a couple of minutes should get you relaxed enough.

Then cold then think about the fear you may have of leaving your body, let that fear grow and amplify by focusing on it so you can actually feel it. It may make you cold or your vision slightly blur. What ever you feel, see, hear through your senses use as a basis for which you will eventually interpret into an overall representation of what you see that fear as, which is why I call this section "The understanding" and part of 1 of 2 stages.

Also remember you will not just be using your stimuli to see what the fear is represented like but you will also be looking for even deeper rooted parts of this fear such as the reason you have this fear and the reasons you want to change. As for representation, for all the parts you pick up for fear for example via touch ETC are representations which built up to your overall representation of how you perceive fear.

In addition you should also take into consideration certain things such as habits (smoking, drugs, and alcohol) tend to be harder to change. The representation you get from your stimulus will also differ from person to person, there's no universal right representation or sensations for what you are amplifying so don't just assume my examples are what you should experience.

- [Note]
It's IMPORTANT not to force anything just observe so you don't built up a false representation of your true perception. Actions like moving the sound may sound strange as it's not a physical object meaning distance shouldn't change it but it's your minds perception of (for this example) fear so you can interact with the fear as well as manipulate it which is key to this process, but I will explain this later, first get through this section.


Sensation (Physical/mental)
We will start this process by pretending you pick up on a sensation first; let's just say for example your arms begin to feel slightly cold when trying to amplify the fear of leaving your body through your senses. Now you can work from that sensation onto the other senses. I would say the more detail you gather from each sense the better you will understand the fear in terms of its representation.. If it triggers a sensation just remember it or jot it down then move to the other senses either adding to or starting fresh with the next sense.

Touch (texture & shape)
Next you may attempt to feel the fear using touch. Its possible using your physical or even energy hands may help with this; you could put your hands out and try to feel what the fear feels like. Remember for touch it won't be a physical sensory input but it's your minds perception/interpretation that senses its texture and shape; let's say you feel it has jagged edges and a rough surface.

Sound
Now try another stimuli say auditory, so now you listen to what if any sound the fear emits. You may not hear much but you could try visualising holding the fear up next to your ear to amplify the sense further which could help get a grasp on what if any sound you perceive. As you listen we'll say the noise is very loud and is a high pitched pulsating type noise.

Taste
With the above, sensation, texture, shape and sound another possible stimuli is taste. The taste may be hard to pick up so keep in mind your representation doesn't have to have taste, so don't think you have to pick up something for every stimulus. We will say for now you taste the fear as an acidic like taste and now we can move on to an additional stimulus.

Smell
So the last main stimuli would be smell. As you do with all the other stimuli try to amplify the smell, what does it smell like? Is it a familiar smell? You may have to filter out any external smells such as a bonfire which is fairly important as you don't want your interpretation to not be what you're actually trying to perceive. As you smell the fear well say it smells almost acidic like the taste with a very potent smell of petrol.

Final representation (The bigger picture)
After those five main points you would now have a good overall picture of how you perceive the fear of leaving your physical body. Remember you may want to keep notes of these perceptions especially for future use. You never know when you may find these perceptions, good or bad, useful. You may want to compare how your perception has changed since you last tried the technique. Overtime you may find the fear for an example becomes very subtle in appearance or you may not even get any stimuli (smell, sensation...) indicating the fear has gone.

Now we have gathered the overall representation of the fear of going out of body, which was:
Sensation - Coldness
Texture - Rough surface
Shape - Sharp edges
Sound -Loud high pitched pulsating noise
Taste - Acidic
Smell – Potent petrol like smell

Remember you may want to also add additional perceptions of fear which will result in a further understanding of the fear maybe you could introduce the emotional response you have aside from the obvious fear maybe a slight nervousness or also the colour, weight, aesthetics and so on. I like to think of "The understanding" above as creating a key. But as you now have a key its time to open the door, which in this example will give you the access to the fear to set it straight and show it whose boss. 

You see Im now relating to the fear as if it is now a physical object, even a conscious living being and that's what you're after. To create something mental which may seem beyond your control and very distant into an object which is now at eye level and ready to be manipulated and changed. This is the purpose of the understanding so now its time to make the desired manipulation.

The Action
Now on stage 2 "the action" its time to turn the representation/ (fear of leaving your body) you have created into an object and deal with it in a physical manner. From my point of view the fear of leaving your body is perhaps instinctive and a natural reaction to something that is out of the ordinary but from my experience this fear is not needed and as a result I think the best action would be to forget this fear.

So if you want to forget the fear then you will have to choose a physical action which is pretty much the same as forgetting but in physical terms. Now, personally for me I would say to forget in physical terms would be to lose or destroy so that is what I will use in this technique but remember If you are using NLP on a different situation other than fear match up your chosen action with what you want to achieve.

So we will use destroy to replace forget as destroy tends to be more absolute and permanent. So now we have to use the fear's representation we used our senses to interpret then destroy it. So after the understanding part you will have to keep the textures, sounds ECT in your head so you can then do the action part of the process which is why I recommended writing the various stimulus down during the understanding .

For the action, an example of what you could choose to do is first visualise a box which would fit the shape and size of the object (fear). Then imagine or visualise placing that fear into the box and close the lid tight. Now to strengthen this action you could maybe padlock the box and reinforce the box as much as you feel necessary so the fear is secure inside which will hopefully add more mental reinforcement also.

With this all done you could simply imagine putting on an explosive charge onto the box then simply blow it up. It will help if you put as much visualisation into the actual destruction using all your senses. Smell the explosion, hear the loud bang, ETC and at the end visualise nothing left, put as mush intent behind this maybe aided with repeating something along the lines of "it has gone" and that's the technique complete.

Remember you can use NLP to find things within in the subconscious or even become more aware of certain situations, for example if you was lacking happiness and wanted to become happier then you interpret the understanding of when you was once very happy, then you could think of an action similar to attraction, maybe a hug or pulling, you see where Im going here? For an action or manipulation you want to replace a mental action (forget, remember, find) with your physical interpretation of the mental action (lose, bump into, stumble upon).

-  [Note] more advanced additional action
For a more advanced ending to the above process I guess you could also add to it. When you visualise the explosion, you could also gather all the stimulus you visualised while destroying the fear such as the smell of the explosion and then replace those stimuli with the previous fear.

You may also want to create a new action, using my example you could visualise a new box and label it "fear of leaving the body" and then visualise the stimulus you gathered from the destruction and placing it in the box. Theoretically I believe this will not only forget the fear but will also replace it with the intent of getting rid of the fear.

Quick NLP Technique
I also remember a quick technique I found somewhere which I think may also be useful. Let's say you have some confidence issues and want to become more confident for maybe a speech or to meet a girl/guy. Well start of by thinking of a time when you were very confident maybe the time you one a motocross race or you just felt really confident in yourself.

Now hold onto that feeling, let your body absorb that feeling from your past experience, once you have a good connection with what it felt like then do a simple action about 3 times such as a simple touch to the back of your neck. While doing this remember that whenever doing this action again the same confidence will come back instantly.

Obviously you don't really want to an over elaborate or embarrassing action which you wouldn't want to perform when the time comes like a moon walk, but hopefully your desired feeling will comeback. It's likely a little conditioning I.e. practise will bring better results and keep the process fresh.


- [Note]
Also another interesting point is as you read the above NLP methods its likely as you read you was also visualising doing the various actions which helps you understand the process of the technique which is actually doing NLP but you probably didn't realise you was doing it. This is how NLP can happen without you even realising so you may want to bare in mind when reading make sure you realise you could be picking up bad messages just form reading negative worded texts in certain circumstances.


Advanced Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) - Astral NLP
Astral Projection + Neuro Linguistic Programming = Perfect combination

Now I consider NLP in the Astral Plane an advanced version of the normal NLP in the physical, the reason? Well the reason I believe it's a more advanced form of NLP is because you can create instant manifestations of the representations of say anger, love, or even a representation of an event. But (and this is a big but) you will be immersed very literally in the process. Instead of visualising you will actually be directly interacting with your mind primarily the sub conscious. Almost like cutting out the middle man, the process of visualising each stimuli response being the middle man.

From what I gather most people who study and practise Astral Projection and/or Lucid Dreaming know that you have the ability to manifest thought forms at will, you can manifest random objects, a memory and all this is very useful for NLP. Also remember sometimes a thought form/representation can be very literal say a thought of spiders could manifest a spider but it could also manifest as a playing card falling from the sky with a picture of a spider on it so it may require a good level of awareness and look out for your manifestation which may not be obvious.

The example below I believe points out how doing various NLP techniques in the astral planes can have a more direct control on your mind and could actually help many people with loss of memory, going through a traumatic event or even someone who just forgot where they left their keys. It's possible that people already do this when there dreaming, lucid or not, or in astral travel and often without the knowledge of doing so. Maybe people sometimes get over the mourning of loved ones by confronting the negativity while they are dreaming or the opposite and attracting relief and acceptance. In addition don't expect miracle results in terms of what you desire, like most things these things take practise, the more the better.

Example of Astral NLP/ Lucid NLP:
For this Astral NLP example as I call it we will create a situation which could be sorted out or at least helped using Astral NLP. Imagine a woman called Jane, she recently had a car crash and has been mentally traumatised by the events and she's having a hard time dealing with both the memory of the event and the negative emotions.

Well Jane has the ability to Astral project or /become lucid in a dream and use NLP to help her grief and deal with the memory and the emotions from the crash in a level of realness which probably isn't likely to happen while just doing normal NLP in the physical.  This means that the representation of the memory and emotions has a better quality of solidness which as a result makes any interaction more effective and even more direct to the mental counterpart of the representation which is what you are ultimately trying to change.

So Jane learns how to Astral Project or even Lucid dream which I believe also works and decides she wants to overcome what has happened so she can get on with living life. She then manages to project and she conjures up the manifestation of the event and emotions. Bare in mind the astral can be very unpredictable, maybe Jane creating this manifestation will cause the environment around her to change into the location of the accident for example. Or she sees a bus pull up and it drives Jane to the scene, there's many possibilities so you may want to have a thought out method of creating this thought form. We will just say she ends up at the scene of the accident and sees a shadow in an odd form that is very negative looking.

Being in the situation you will most likely know what represents what and Jane would probably understand what the shadow represents and we will say the shadow represents all her negative emotions. The shadow could have manifested in many forms maybe even the same appearance as if she was to visualise what her negative emotion would look like doing NLP physically.

Well now Jane has created the representation of the event (environment) and emotions (shadow) and has control of the situation. It is now important for Jane to stay in control and not let the fear or other emotions take control. Not to waste time Jane goes straight to the dark negative shadow and touches it with the intent of the shadow being set on fire and it does as she intends.

As the shadow being the representation of all the emotion she's being trying to get rid of, now she destroyed the representation hopefully the emotion will now be gone or less painful. But the memory of the event may still be present and being in the location of the accident in astral may just be the manifestation of the event still in her memory.

So now Jane has to deal with this additional manifestation.  As before you could use any action in the astral planes what you consider related to its mental likeness. For example to (overpower=crush with foot) (forget=destroy) (remember=find in pocket) and so on.

So Jane could blow up the environment but for a less destructive outcome she could also start to fly into the sky and keep going until she cant even see the planet anymore and maybe even get so far away she wouldn't even be able to find the planet again therefore the action of losing the accident scene results in forgetting the memory. After Jane fly's away and looses the accident scene that's about it and the techniques done.

- [Note] The example above is just so you get the understanding of the process and a simple look at how NLP can be utilized in an Astral or Lucid situation. Also remember NLP Manifestations for future use, as before you should try and keep note of the manifestations, one year later Jane could have a dream of being back in the environment of the accident which may be an indication that those once accepted and forgotten memories are starting to creep back which may require another dose of NLP if needed.

I told my faimily about projection and they think im going crazy. If i could instantaniously pull them out of body they would understand how cool it is. I told my friends about lucid when we were drunk and they thought im freakin up 2 but they prob forgot the next day.

I was just thinking the same thing before i read this. I had an OBE last night and some weird thing attacked me and i just delt with it. I never really feel fear when out of body its like the negative emotions are toned down but i still find myself filled with emotion. From my expereience my emotions depend on the the the level plane im on. lower plane = hardly any emotion, higher plane = positive emotions.

I dont think cats can visibly see spirits i just think they can sense them like using intuition. This has gave me an idea as where i live theres 2cats 2rabits and fish in pond next time i project im gonna try and see if any react to my presence.

[he sleep paralysis state, while very helpful for inducing OBEs, is very complex and can be very frightening to someone who does not know what it is.]

I would say there might be more of a connection between sleep paralysis and alien abduction reports... than one  between actual OBEs and alien abductions.

The sleep paralysis state, while very helpful for inducing OBEs, is very complex and can be very frightening to someone who does not know what it is.  Normally when we are in a dream state, our bodies are paralyzed so that we do not act out our dreams physically.  Therefore, sleep paralysis is a normal natural occurrance.  However when we refer to a sleep paralysis episode, it means that the paralysis (a normal component of REM) has encroached upon the waking state.  This is not considered normal, but is not uncommon either.  When this happens, the person is starting to wake to full consciousness but is still experiencing some aspects of REM sleep.  This includes the paralysis, but also can include hypnapompic hallucinations (dream elements) while awake.  Now for a person who does not know what SP is, and experiences both the paralysis and hallucinations, coupled with the fear it generates, can certainly come up with a feeling of a presense in the room with them. 

It is possible that these people are experiencing the separation stage of an OBE on top of this... because when in SP, if you completely stop fighting it, and just let go... you will feel the floating and separation. 

I can comment on this phenomenon personally because it is how I started to OBE.  As a child, I would have terrible sleep paralysis episodes frequently.  I also remembered snippets of 'extra vivid dreams' where I would be standing in my roon unable to move.  Some of the sleep paralysis episodes I had prior to learning about OBEs, I do remember feeling the evil presense, and like someone was holding me down.  And I did even ponder the thought about abduction once.  Thankfully, shortly after that I had my first fully conscious OBE... one that fully validated everything because I actually turned and saw my body in bed.  And after research into sleep paralysis, I accepted it... and started to use it to my advantage. 

I agree the first time i had sleep paralysis before i knew anything about OBE's projection I woke up seeing a black figure at the side of my bed holding me down as i was paralyised. For ages until i researched the paralyisis i thought it was a ghost or a man in bloack robes. If the hallucination took on a more alien like appearance I would have no doubt beleived it was an alien atleast until I knew about Sleep Paralysis. Alien Abductions may still exist but i wouldnt be surprised if OBE's and Sleep Paralysis contributed to atleast some cases.

When I used to get to exited i would while the loud noise is occuring take a moment to plan what I was goin to do in projection whilst gathering up my emotions then exit. I personally find when i have a general plan on what i want to do before projecting it lasts longer and it calms me down.

"I really do wish that my friends would experience all this when they go to bed at night.  I can't really mention any of my experiences to them cos they'll just think I'm nuts.. Sad  I told them about my OBE's when I first started having them and they all started laughing and put it down to dreaming.. If only I could record what I experience and play it back to them the next day on television. "

Thats the same as me i once metioned itand they just thought i was talking s^&t. Same with my family they think im crazy. The thing that annoys me some people spend hours on stuff like games but they could learn to lucid and have a much more real experience. I supose its there loss. Cool experience by the way.

From my limited knowledge of what conciousness etc.. is i think that once the physical body switches off or enters a certain mode. It triggers a shift into another dimension/ reality ill call it x for now, the dimension x is limited by the person expeirencing that moment. The more one is in the present and the more energy (existing in physical and x)which is gathered which both have to be understanded, changes the way you are limited or the variation in perception of the experience. In this dimension all matter is conciousness and the subconscious e.g. thought, feeling, senses. The limitation is not a good or bad thing though certain areas of this limitation maybe preferred than others.
I believe we came from this dimension x before physical and the memory wasn't erased not even temporarily but stored which maybe the akarish records (forgot name). To get back to the original question i think there is no difference between a dream or a projection but it does not mean that the experience is worthless as dreams are still just as important. I believe there is a connection between the physical and dimension x which is a link greater then our understanding.
A thought of mine is that this can cause clairvoyance, ghosts and many other paranormal and psychic abilities/events and even a way to intertwine both realities/ dimension. I belive that phychic type abilities are originally from dimension x and you mix these abilities into physical and physical matter can be mixed into this other dimension which means you can actually enter physical locations. I think i may of went a bit off topic ive forgot the question

I personally think whether heaven and hell exists or not it wouldnt be reachable by projection. Unless it is just a higher vibration plane like the buddhic plane which you would have to gain a great amount of experience and control over your projections. I supose you could ask your spirit guide during a projection to visit hell or heaven.

This is deffinatly one of the most vivid dreams ive ever had and been able to remember also it was followed by me being Lucid. If you dont want to read the vivid dream part i had scroll down and ive marked the part i became lucid with an smiley.

I was in a large hall and my older brother was getting married again (he got married for real recently). I was in some changing room and got changed but into my suit but couldnt find my tie. Iwalked into the hall and the bishop was already starting and said here we go so everyone walked in and i left the tie. I noticied that there where a though people from my school i have now left and they were sitting as if they were part of the familys which they were not. After all this for entertainment there was a man ive seen on tv and he was doin lots of flips and jumping on this long plank of wood high up against two poles (like a tight rope). After that he jumped all the way down and then stood on a rope ladder. He then pressed a button then all of a sudden the ladder started to go up on what seemed to be a building inside the hall i was in which started to get to hight it hurt my head just looking up. At the bottom there was a small what looked like one of them pools which ive seen cartoons on tv where people will jump into them. He started saying stuff like i cant beleive im doing this and i cant remember if he jumped or not. After i think we left and i ended up with a few of my mates still in suits and that a a few girls. we was walking out and we were all talking until we got into some dinor. We all sat down but for some reason i decided to sit on my own. I cant remeber what happend after this i may think i was woken up. Im not sure if it was before or after that but i ended up with one of my older brothers in a room with what apeared to be his mates and we were all smokin weed cant remeber much from that maybe i got to stoned in the dream and fell asleep which woke me into the physical lol.

...Woke up for about 45mins having breakfast and stuff then thought i could have an obe just by going bak to sleep so i gave it a try but not very commited just wanted to sleep. I feel like i was laying in bed for ages which is normal for me until i must have went back to sleep...

I think the dream may of sort of continued neway i can remember getting over this road im familiar with and saw 3 different people agian from my school. I asked them where my mates were and one said i dont know and gave me a deck of cards o_0. I then ran up the path until i got to some traffic lights. I quickly tried to run but was almost hit by a lorry so I waited then a car driving really dodgy drove past then stopped just a head of us. A tall man started goin on about how dangerous and stuff so i replied to him then he said not you her. Iooked behind me and saw a big group of people behind me some from school some dont know. After a while there was a group of adults all goin mad and telling people to pick up rubbish and it reminded me like teachers i thought long this so me and a mate just walked past. The man started moaning and i just ignored him. At this point i saw my friend but ended up doing some cool art work on the path i can still remeber what i done. I then went over to my proper mates im usaully with and started talking.

...This is the lucid part of my dream... 

I cant remeber much else but i remeber saying something with the word real. I then ended up at home in bed and at first i had trouble moving felt like a mix between paralysis and slow motion. I struggled to do anything then all of a suddent i reset to the begining position on my bed and could move freely. It was unlike an obe and the Tv was in a different position. I decided to test my power so i tapped my fingers to make the tv turn on and it did. I probably could have done it without but i found it cool. I then started to change channels with my fingers. I looked to see what was on but cant reme,ber it was like rugby. I then started to do the same with the radio moving my hands which would make the dials visibly move and changed. It was very dark (also throughout the house) so i tried to click the light on but i didnt work. I got out of bed and tried the actual switch didnt work either. I then at the door remembered to check my hands and when i looked at them they were all disfiguered like ive heard people mention. I walked out the room the stairs are and there is a mirror which goes to floor to above head hight so i decided to look into it. It was still dark and i coud roughtly see myself and it seemed to have a life of its own moving around. I tried the switch but the light wouldnt turn on so i could see into the mirror clearly. I then deteremined to make it light up kept trying to will it to go on. Eventually i got to go on on but i barely made a difference and light a really dim orange. I then decided to go downstair into the livingroom and still the light wouldnt worked. As there was nothing to do i then just went into the kitchen where there was a whole load food and suits and dresses which people were wearing from the wedding  also the food is the typical food that my parents would bring back from events with my family. It seemed the dream before carried on to when i became lucid. I began to eat a wierd looking cake what looked like it had chocolate inside. I dont know where it came from but i could hear like a tv show or radio show in my head and they were talking about the cakes saying stuff like. If you forget the taster then hey eat another one. I then began to laugh thinking this werid. The food was nice and i for some reason thougt i wonder if this is gonna make me physically fat eating this. I then woke up.

Hey Owen,
What a wonderful dream.  Or rather OB.  You have an amazing control over your OB's and what you decide to do in them.  (I wish)  I am curious.  Did your brother remember you waking him?

Nope unfortuantly not. He did say that he had a dream about being chased by a black but i dont think that has any relevance to what happend. He is one of them people who will wake up like a zombie so maybe i should have taken more time to let him remeber.

be prepared for alot of reading last night i got very drunk and i always wake up very early the next day to get a drink then go back to sleep. I done this then woke up again and did the same thing unaware of the time but still very early. I fell asleep and woke up with full vibrations. I think i had my physical eyes open but it could have been astral my astral eyes anyway i tried to leave my body with some trouble more than usual as if i was already out, all of a sudden looking from what i think was my physical eyes i saw myself above me but translucent and upside down and the lower part of my body was out of my vision. As i was looking at the see translucent me above i was also looking from the perspective of being the see translucent me looking at my physical. When I moved my physical the translucent would mirror me exactly just like looking in a weird mirror. (This probably sound confusing im trying my best). I may as well say now that this whole experience was beyond looking real everything was perfect as i've seen many describe the higher astral plane everything was peaceful and anything i wanted to happen did.

Anyway after that trippin session i then looked to my side where there was a tv mounted sideways high up on a wall. I sleep on a bunk bed and i was laying down sideways so i imagined the tv to turn on and i did with some cowboy movie playing. After a while of entertaining astral tv imagined the tv to just fall the floor and it did exactly that. I didn't see if it hit the floor but heard a crash. I then looked out my window and i saw what looked like an army of people my garden and i immediately though it was the police about to raid the house or something. My dad then walked past the room and said just ignore them but how could i so i looked out of the window and like a human microscope i zoomed in and saw they all had the word missionary(maybe spelt wrong) on the jackets. They all had this on there dark blue jackets all different ages. They then got some very old style brooms and began to sweep my garden sweeping all the stones and leaves and that i think tidying my garden. It was my garden but it was tottaly different to the real one but i wasn't to surprised at this point. I dont know if the word has a  meaning apart from the position if it was spelt the same.

I then got of my bed and the tv wasnt on the floor where i thought it landed instead there was leaves scattered across the floor and an old fan. I sat on the floor taking in how real everything looked and how peaceful then i faced my brother who sleeps in the same room as me and thought i could see if he would remember the experience. He was asleep so i woke him up. He was wearing the smoothest white silk top sort of like a robe but more modern. It seemed to be glowing gold it was very spiritual looking. When he woke i said "Listen to me im gonna to do something and you have to remember it when you wake up" I then clapped my hands three time and again told him to remember. I then told him he was dreaming and he looked around and didnt seem to realise so i held out the silky top he was wearing and said look these are not your clothes. He then got the biggest smile ive ever seen as if he had just realised what was going on the he went back to sleep.

I forgot what happend after this until i ended up downstairs in my dinning room. My dad was putting up a ridiculous amount of shelves up and he gave me some weird tool and told me to use it. I thought to myself if im in an obe im not doing any work but if i some how was awake and walked off i would be in deep trouble. I was still perfectly concious and everything was still blissful and clear. I closed my eyes for a brief few second and tried to imagine being somewhere else but i was interrupted by my dad(still as annoying as the real one). I then noticed a large peach like fruit on the table so i took it and was surprised it was made up of thin sheets like plastic. I started to eat it and it was the best taste ive ever had i can still taste it now. my dad then placed some plastic cogs in front of me and told me to fix them but i couldnt be bothered and just told myself to wake up and i did.

The whole experience felt as if it had been at least a good hour and i was fully conscious without once feeling like being pulled back to physical. There's alot more i want to talk about but im tired and i feel like ive just written a book. I could of shortened this but i myself like reading long in depth experiences. This was easily the best moment of my life so far and being my 5th obe i feel pretty privileged for this to happen.

I cant stop thinking that there is some hidden meanings behind this so if anyone has any thoughts or ideas ill be glad to hear them. I posted this in 2 other forums so you might have seen it already.

cool i might ask the a question next time i see someone in astral something like: "If its aloud can you tell me anything about life after death" to see what happens. I wish i didnt read this because it want to know what he may of said. Im also wondering what was you watching and was this lucid or an obe.

I can easily forget the sensation its not like vibrations or nothing but im just wondering what the feeling is if not imagination and if anyone else does it its like not even deep into meditation try goin like a dragster going really fast.

Im just wondering because this has been happening since the first time i started meditation. Im not sure if its normal or not but i dont see much/anything about it.  After about `4minz onwards i can move not my physical body but some type of body  in any direction i like. Its not like obe or lucid movement but it feels very real. I can start to move sideways fast and slow and in any direction i want to go but not change shape. It doesnt feel like im actualy leaving my body but more like its my surroundings are moving with me.

I can make it like a rollercoaster almost making me feel a bit sik. Also i think that when i go really fast i begin to hear a quite noise giving me the impresion im goin fast. Im not entirely shore whether its my imagination or not but it feels realy real. I also dont seem to get into a deeper into a trance doing it and i always start making my body rise upwards without trouble and it just goes up and up without stoping until i chose to.

I cant do it while my eyes open or not relaxed.
Can anyone else do this? Does anyone know what it is?

Ive heard theres ways of comunicating with your spirit guide without have to project i personaly havent but maybe you could give it a try to see what w.d is. Maybe your spirit guide got me to write this so you try and find it out. Maybe it isnt. Who knows.

I tried this yesterday but it didnt work for me but may help you if you wonna give ut a try.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-625270638122025842&q=contact+spirit+guide&total=57&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

I like\try to project for many reasons first of i don't have a belief in a particular religion so now i have my own faith in spirituality and what happens when i die so i want to learn as much as i can. I used  most science as fact but im more open minded about what is fact or not. Just because top scientists may have big IQ,s it doesn't meen they know everything if they want to explain something and have no evidence they will make theory's which is the same as anyone else's opinion.

Astral whether it is in your mind or actually exiting the body its  like having a room in your house where you can go and do what you want exploring practically anywhere and gain insight into the things they never knew existed. If it was some electric devise which made people have projections they would be buying it for allot of money but we have it for free. Other people may not be open minded to even try it out but its there loss i want to spend the time im not out with mates in the astral or lucid even.  Also since practising meditating it has already changed me in many ways.