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I have just started a dream/projection group. There are two other people in my group. I think we can meet each other anytime in dreams (there is no time). We're wondering if we have to project around the same time in order to meet.

My theory is that there is no time like we have in the physical world. Time is nowhere and everywhere, time is now, etc. I know this is the case with higher dimensions, but does it apply to the RTZ? Any ideas?

This is mostly common sense... I'm feeling a little down tonight, and this idea is cheering me up. I feel somewhat lost in my life right now, loving someone who doesn't love me...or so it seems. So, this is for all of you who need more sunshine in your day.When you take time to make yourself spiritually stronger, you will create a whirlpool that attracts everything you need and want to you. You don't have to try so hard to set everything in the physical. If you meditate, do energy work, project, enhance your dreams, or whatever...things you need and want in life will come to you. You could even do a visualization excersize. Imagine yourself (in third person perspective) spinning and symbols of things that you want slowly being pulled closer to you. So, make yourselves stronger!

Lately I've been having a lot of dreams of projections.  During one of my adventures, I realized that I had been away for a while.  Maybe it was time to start back.  I went through a few buildings and looked down at trees and homes.  Flying around was simply wonderful.  I thought that I was far away, since I didn't recognize any of the structures.  I didn't want to be pulled into my body, but I wanted to be close. So I tried to feel for my home instead.  It struck my curiousity. When I think about it now, it seems like a good way to travel.     ...Has anyone tried this?

Have you tried it or just read it? If you did try it has it worked yet?

lucid dancer,

Thanks for the book recomendation. I'll look for Dream Gates by Robert Moss. I wish I had read this earlier because this morning I bought a book called Teach Yourself to Dream by someone called David Fontana. Not sure if that will turn out to be good or not. We'll see.

Very best,

Very good. Thats all I'm gonna say.

I have extensive experience with Meta music and Hemi-Sync. A lot of the music is new age stuff. In my personal opinion the music is pretty good. They Mix it specially to match the binaural beats, so that you don't hear them.
As far as Hemi-Sync is concerned, I have tested some of their albums with an EEG machine connected to my brain. The results have been very surprising. I never though binaural beats could have so much of an affect of the brain

It isn't top secret, but it was not for general information yet. The idea was to create a program specifically for the purpose of learning astral projection. It is a 90 day project like the one in the downloads and tutorials section off of the main web site but it will be the basis for an actual book instead of just an excel file. Extra forums were added for the purpose of communication between people in the test group. This time through, at least, the idea was to keep the test group very small. That is why it was not posted openly. It is still in something of a rough draft form.

For starters check out www.symbols.com

2cents

jouni

[and when the day arrivesi'll become the skyand i'll become the seaand the sea will come to kiss mefor i am goinghomenothing can stop me now]

hmm now that you mention that tug or pulse ... I'm still learning OBE and lucid dreaming (with my own fear holding me back alot) and I remember a dream during a nap once where my friends passed a joint on to me which they claimed was laced with cocaine or something (not that I'd ever try cocaine) well I toked up a few times and mentioned that I don't feel anything, and they told me to take deeper breaths and hold it longer, so I did and I got that weird feeling of my mind being pulled from my body ... at the time I thought it was the drugs, but maybe that was some sort of akashik pulse ...

well, just a thought

cheers

Stefan



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and when the day arrives
i'll become the sky
and i'll become the sea

and the sea will come to kiss me
for i am going
home

nothing can stop me now

I can definitely relate to that.  In fact, my dream mind sometimes goes far enough as to make up its own history.  For instance, I would have a confrontation with someone, and we would reminisce about old times, and there were things that I could remember about my dream self.  So, let me think of a good sentence for this description...  My dream-self (?) sometimes has a completely different life history, and can bring about very vivid flashbacks while "thinking" in the dreamworld.

i dont recall where i read this at .. .may have been ad or some lucid dream book, however, your eyes fluttering like that is you about to enter into rem. if i recall correctly you are supposed to rub your thumb and pointer finger together gently until they stop. or actually rub your eyelids gently. if you are having any other problems at all, post it up here. i m also working on my first conscious exit and i m just as anxious to help others out as i m to get myself out. hope this helps. good luck.

Some people say that while you are dreaming you go to the astral projection, i somewhat believe and disbelieve this. I think that maybe the lucid dream people have might be out of body and projections, and the dreams you have little control or no control are regular dreams, you are in ur body during these. But you do go out of body with out relizing it.

Every man has their fear of dieing, whether it be of pain or not knowing where you are going, however, mine is the family, memories, and good times i leave behind.

The base chakra is as important as the crown chakra, and its color is red. It is called the base chakra because it supports the other six. It is also well known as where the dormant kundalini waits. The shade of red you choose matters more than the fact of being red. If you choose a dark, dirty looking shade of red that might not be as good as a bright, happy shade of red.

HI lucid,

i had a similar question a while back on the old forums when robert first told us about CIR. I'll repost it here;

I have a few questions i want to ask, and a few thoughts to share as i ponder my own questions.
Having tried the Core image removal technique a few times i am wondering about a few things. I actually caught myself *wanting* my core image to be hard to turn over (thus implying it was an attachment) because of my ongoing experiences with inorganic beings, and my *need* to get rid of them and feel *cleaner*. This technique seems to be of quite a high/deep level (IMHO) and i think it could definitely have some very beneficial affects on one's personal psyche etc. but how many people will be able to tell from a real CIA (Core Image Attachment talk about secretive eh? lol) and a *desired* one?

Forgive me if a ramble but i am trying to write this stuff down quickly before i lose track. In the book "Transcendental Magic" by Eliphas Levi (he was a 19th century Catholic priest turned Occultist) he says in chapter IV -- "We have said that there is no personal devil. It is a misdirected force, as the name indicates*" --there is a footnote to this statement which says---

"* Should, however, a decision of some future council affirm that the devil exists personally, i should defer because of my principles. I have said that the word creates that which it affirms. Now, the church is depository of the authority of the word: when it shall have affirmed not only the real, but personal existence of the devil, the devil will exist personally; *the Roman Catholic Church will have created it* "

Now, of course, Levi knew that certain beings did exist, but what i think he is getting at here is the creation of "Thought forms" or "artifical elementals", either by oneself, or collectively as a society.
Dion Fortune mentions this in her book "Psychic self defense"(Ch. 4- Projection of the Etheric Body) to quote a part-

"The next type of psychic attack which we must consider is that coducted by means of artificial elementals. These are distinguished from thought-forms by the fact that, once formulated by the creative mind of the magician, they possess a *distinct and independant life of their own,* though strictly conditioned as to nature by the concept of their creator. The life of these creatures is akin to that of an electric battery, it slowly leaks out by means of radiation. and unless recharged periodically, will finally weaken and die out"

The question i have in my mind right now is-- "Just how much of an independent life of thier own do these humanly created beings have?"-- are we 'ourselves' responsible (collectively) for some of the nasty negs that seem to be lurking 'out there'? If they are somewhat independent, are they able to realize their impending doom due to loss of energy and thus become 'thought created energy vampires' to prolong thier own existence? (for some reason i just had a thought about the film 'Bladerunner').
Dion then goes on to tell us of one of her own experiences where she inadvertantly created one of these beings herself, she says--

"I myself once had an exceedingly nasty experience in which i formulated a were-wolf accidentally. Unpleasant as the incident was, i think it may be just as well to give it publicly, for it shows what may happen when an insufficiently *disciplined and purified nature* is handling occult forces.
I had recieved serious injury from someone who, at considerable cost to myself, i had disinterestedly helped, and i was sorely tempted to retaliate. Lying on my bed resting one afternoon, i was brooding over my resentment, and while so brooding, drifted towards the borders of sleep. There came to my mind the thought of casting off all restraints and going berserk. The ancient Nordic myths rose before me, and i thought of Fenris, the wolf horror of the North. Immediately i felt a curious drawing-out sensation from my solar plexus, and there materialized besides me a large wolf. It was a well-materialized ectoplasmic form...... I had had enough experience of practical occultism to know that the thing i had called into visible manifestation could be controlled by my will provided i did not panic; but if i lost my nerve and it got the upper hand, *i had a Frankenstein monster to cope with*"

Now Dion had done this accidentally through the state of her mind at the time. My question now is, how easy is it for this type of thing to happen even to those not familiar with the occult?
I read a couple of weeks ago about a young woman shouting abuses at the Pope, it was reported that she was possessed, and the Pope blessed her etc but she just shouted back in a deep voice "See, not even your boss can control me"
I am also wondering about the "Speaking in tongues" phenomena of some of the more bizarre Churches. People will roll about on the floor talking in strange tongues, then after its over the congregation treat them like a celebrity because "speaking in tongues" is supposed to show you have been favoured by the Holy Spirit. Mass hypnosis, hysteria, self delusion, touched by spirit (what kind?) fake or a combination of these??
On a light note (sort of), Dion Fortunes materialization of the beast she thought of, reminds me of the film "Ghost Busters". Near the end they are on top of a Gothic building fighting the dark forces etc. my memory of it is fuzzy but for some reason they all have to "NOT THINK OF ANYTHING" keep their minds clear ("disciplined and purified nature"?). Unfortunately one of them fails in this task and thought of, what to him was harmless, Mr Marshmellow Man. And sure enough, a giant Marshmellowman comes stomping down the street. Do ya still think Ghostbuster movie was just for fun?
To continue, Dion had to re-absorb this created Wolf form before it severed itself from her, which she did manage. But how many times may this have happened to people, and they had not been able to control it and it went its merry way?

How does this relate to core image removal? Well, i have had a LOT of psychic disturbance over the past few years, i need not go into details, but this would make me wonder how many Image type attachments i may have. The main question i have is- how much does the persons state of mind affect what they find while trying Image Core Removal? What if someone believes they have an attachment of this kind, when actually they dont? Will one be created by thier belief- similar to Levi's devil? Or created in thought form similar to Dion's Wolf? How much of a mysticly trained mind does one need to recognize a real core image from a desired/illusary one?

This may just be me, but i *did* catch myself *wanting* the core image to be hard to turn over, because then i may be able to attack my attached entity, whether imagined or real. I hope this is taken in the way it is meant, as feedback not necessarily criticism, i know i have a lot of questions
One more thing for Robert. I have read that one of the highest reasons for Adepts that study the Kabbalah to use the Tree of life, is to enter the darker realm of the Qlippoth (sp?) to help release the divine sparks imprisoned there, and eventually bring about the Messianic Era. Could this and CIR be of a similar nature (as well as the Soul Retrieval by Shamans that Chromed pointed out in his/her post)? Are these also similar to delving into the dark recesses of our unconscious mind, or maybe even at the collective unconscious level? How much knowledge and training is required for such feats?
Migene Gonzalez Whippler says in her book "A Kabbalah for the Modern World"---

"It should always be remembered that all Kabbalistic work takes place in the Astral world, which is the realm of *imagination*. The Astral World is formed of the astral light which is the malleable energy used by kabbalists to *build his images*. Everything that happens in the material world is first formed in the astral. That is why *careful hold should be kept at all times on the imagination*, because every stray thought is building-material in the Astral world, and we can unknowingly surround ourselves with a slew of potentially destructive vibrations if we do not take proper precautions".

Those precautions include some of which you have mentioned about before Robert. Fasting and purification-- and also, "refraining from impure thoughts, avoiding contact with dead matter and refraining from sexual activities at least 24 hours before the *Ceremony* ".
The word Ceremony seems important here. If core image removal is working on a higher level, similar to working on the kabbalistic tree, is it not also a magical ceremony? If so, maybe some basics for casting a circle and/or Banishing rituals should be done before and after CIR, what do you think?

There is no contradiction there. The fact that a better way of doing things is available is rarely reason enough to choose it. It is the same reason why I keep going to work to a job that I have begun to dislike instead of taking the time and effort to look for something better. Maybe I'm lazy. Maybe I think I can't do any better. Maybe I think I deserve to stay with a job that I don't like working for someone I can't respect any longer. Things are the way they are and it looks like it would be too difficult to change them. While I am not a spirit or a neg, the experience is likely similar. Aren't there things you have wanted to do but not gotten around to doing?

[Originally posted by lucid dancer:]

quote:Originally posted by lucid dancer:
OK, I'm not a computer genius, so this might make you laugh. I can't go to the home page, or other pages from the forum. Am I crazy? I have to type in an address to get there ...and revisit!

Greetings!

That is correct - the "Home" option is currently set to the forums home and not the site home. the reason for this is that the vast majority of returning visitors are using the forums day in and day out, and accordingly recognise "Home" as the forums home - people do not want to be launched out of the forums to the main web site.

It is a simple matter to alter this, and if the request were there we could certainly consider it.

Thanks for your feedback.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Are you holding out on us? I swear I won't steal your idea. Why not share with us here in order to get some people to say it works really well? Maybe even get some feedback to perfect the idea?

I often feel like my limbs/hands/feet balloon and sweel while meditating, and often actually "see" quick flashes of my limbs looking all bloated.
Not really what your talking about I guess, but I think both things are pretty bizzare.

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What were there names?  And possibly a description?

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

I've actually had similar experiences of the void when I would be woken prior to me getting up by someone coming into my room to get the dawg.


As for the OBE/lucid dream thing, I've been told that if you have any doubts then its most probably a lucid dream.


I'd suggest the girl and window is most definetly symbolic of something... but who knows.

I suggest posting it on the OBE forum to ask some of the travellers there as they will most likely be able to give you an idea as to whether it was a lucid dream or an OBE.

- Ashfo

I have some of the same issues with it.  I also have been considering going to one but more on a scientific exploration.  I wonder if certain abilities could be given more strength or control.  Both would be usefull.  Or even possibly open other doors.  

But I don't want to end up like Kevin Bacon in Stir of Echos......"I must Dig!"  That would mess with me too much.

I believe that it has its ups and downs.  One being you would have to trust the person you go to not to mess with you or alter your thinking beyond what you want.  Also they would have to know what to say and what not to say.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

I made a post about a week ago which is just several posts down from this one.

Id really appreciate it if you could give me your interpretation of it... as Im not sure what to link it to in terms of lucid dreaming.

Thanks,

- Ashfo