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quote:Originally posted by DOA
I was wondering if most of those people were my thought forms or hers and she was the only one who was there.  


DOA

HI DOA,

Interesting experience. I don't think I can be of much help to you as I rarely remember dreams and have always felt funny interpreting another's experience of any kind. The place you've described sounds a lot like a one of the many worlds within the Belief System Territories (the BST..usually everyone in these worlds know they've died) that people go after dying...a place I visited for retrieval purposes. I too called it a 'purgatory' of sorts, where everyone seemed to be waiting to be told what to do, where to go. They were either asleep or in a daze--their awareness almost completely shut down. They were there because they believed that someone/something greater than themselves had to make all decisions for them, including the belief they were to be judged, etc. I don't know about the woman who appeared to be different. Could it possibly mean she was still residing here in the physical and was at that moment asleep...and visiting there for some reason? Just guessing. It would be interesting if you could return--see what further info you could gather.

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

Ginny,
Is it the case that all those who are stuck on lower levels are simply unaware that they have died?
I'm sure I read from Bruce Moen or others that there are *many* reasons and although many of these cases indeed think they are still alive, there are others who actually DO know they are dead but are still stuck, perhaps because they do not believe there is anything else, or they are still desperate to reach the physical world for some reason, such as to pass on a message about some perceived injustice for example, this being the reson behind many 'hauntings' that we hear about.

Regards,
Douglas

Hi Douglas,

Yes, I've dealt to a small degree with some who knew they had either died or somehow went through a transition of sorts. This doesn't mean their population numbers are less than those who're confused or unaware they've died--just something I've been in the process of learning about so have limited experience. Sometimes it has felt as if there are a great many in this situation though.

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Greytraveller

My question to Ginny -
Have you ever verified any of your retrieval experiences by reading or seeing a (news) report about the physical information (names, adresses, situations) of the newly deceased people that you have helped while OOB[?]
Of course such information is not essential to what you are doing yet it would provide some form of encouragement.

Greytraveller,

Oh yea, especially in the beginning. Previously unknown information I received from a deceased relative was confirmed through other family members still in the physical. Also did some research over the internet when I first started retrieving and was able to verify info I had been told while in the nonphysical. To me it was important to come to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that what I was experiencing was real. I was quite a skeptic of many things 'metaphysical' for years...and so no one was more shocked than I when I was able to get proof. It's a personal thing...some don't need to verify anything, others feel it's necessary to be able to go from 'believing' to 'knowing'.

Here's something that happened not too long ago and it just goes to show what can happen when we simply ask questions from people There. A friend of mine in her late 80's passed away a few weeks ago, Greytraveller, and in visiting with her a few times in the nonphysical, and in asking if she had a message for me to relay to her 58 year old daughter, I was then seeing a wooden clothes pin, the kind used a long time ago to hang wet laundry outside on clotheslines. I then briefly saw white bed sheets hanging, blowing softly in the breeze, lots of sunshine. I was then back looking at her again and she told me to tell her daughter to remember the time when, as a young girl, her daughter had enjoyed "running between the sheets" (as she said this I was then for just a second or two moving between hanging bed sheets with my arms out at shoulder height). She said the happiness and free spirit her daughter had had then was the daughter she had always loved, the daughter she knew existed underneath all her problems later in life (her daughter had suffered from debilitating bipolar disease for over 35 years til around 2 years ago). None of this really made sense to me, so when I later called her daughter and asked her if she remembered "running between the sheets" in childhood (and that was all I said)...she responded with a long pause, and said yes, explaining when she was around 5 or 6, she'd soar high in her swing and eventually catapult herself so she hit the ground running, and she'd run between the sheets hanging out to dry, holding her arms out to touch them. She said she felt free then. It wasn't too long before a relative cut the branch off that her swing had been tied to, to stop the sheet running...and thereafter life became pretty bizarre for her, for any child that age. That message from her mother meant a lot.

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by zakaroth

Does this sort of experience happen a lot during astral projections/phasings? Its just I think that it would kind of freak me out a bit!

Zakaroth,

I don't know. For years I wanted to help in retrievals so I'd say that's why I do it a lot now. Since I use Focused Attention to be in the nonphysical it's always my choice where I go, what I want to do.

Take care,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Thanks for sharing again, Ginny!

Jason..I too have been inspired by Gin's accounts!  And hope to be able to help others whom are "stuck"

Nay. []

Nay,

I think I owe you a PM---;o).

Gin

quote:Originally posted by jason

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I had the distinct feeling she didn't realize what happened,and was wondering where her mom was!

unfortunately,I don't have the experience in dealing with this stuff, so I couldn't really help her...

Hi Jason,

Same thing happened to me last night while relaxed and slipping off to sleep--a friend who passed away was just suddenly in my mind, along with a knowing feeling it was her. I was having a difficult time staying focused on her cause I was so tired, but her laughing at me each time I faded away for a few seconds kept bringing me back--:o). She just wanted to show me her new home, all of which was a place I never would have expected her to choose, and I plan to contact her daughter still here in the physical to see if that info makes sense.
What you experienced is pretty much what I've learned to do with Focused Attention, where while in a relaxed but conscious state of mind, one moves the majority of their attention away from the physical and uses the mind's eye and nonphysical senses to communicate, etc. I don't astral project or phase, as I understand these methods to be....but then I feel no matter what the method, we're all learning to focus awareness/attention into other areas of consciousness anyway.
Sometimes children who are stuck can be difficult to help as they've been trained by parents to not have anything to do with strangers. If you encounter her again just be friendly and calm...and sometimes telling kids you can show them how to fly, or go for a piggyback ride---these are ideas on how to help them simply leave their isolation. Some children, once they feel they can trust you, are willing to leave with you...or be introduced to a Helper/deceased family member nearby.

Thanks Jason and take care,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by mikemess

wow!  amazing story.  i have often met up with discarnates while out of the body and would like to know how to learn to deal with them like you did.  a few times i told them that they were dead and they start yelling and cursing at me telling me that they are not...
do you know where i can learn how to deal with these people who don't know that they are dead and can't accept it?

Hi Mikemess,

About retrieving...have you ever read Robert Monroe's third book, Ultimate Journey? This was when I first read of the idea that some people can become stuck (in an area of consciousness he simply labeled as Focus 23) due to strongly held beliefs, fears, sudden death causing confusion etc etc. Later on I found Bruce Moen's site and books...a person who found it difficult to have OOBEs, and discovered what's known as Focused Attention, wherein through relaxation, intent, and the power of our imagination (mind's eye) we can, while conscious but relaxed, communicate with deceased folks as well as participate in retrieving. It was while reading his first book that I just started participating in retrievals. It sounds to me as if you're experiencing what R. Monroe did, inadvertently...where he was OOB and running into people and wasn't sure what to do. Cool!!! He later realized that for all the years he'd been going OOB, there had always been someone with him, whether he took note of them or not---Guides...and they were the people who introduced him to retrieving.
Just my own opinion here but I'd say there's a reason why you've been running into people who still think they're in the physical---:o). Have you ever, in your nonphysical travels, encountered Guides, or what Bruce calls Helpers? Helpers are just people who were human once and who now prefer to remain in the nonphysical and help folks who need it. If you encounter another person again who thinks they're still 'alive in the physical', just befriend them, perhaps play along with their thinking...and all the while ask for a Helper to come (however you would do that...or maybe ask for one prior to even finding a stuck person?) and advise you on what to do. The important thing about helping anyone out of their own self-created isolation, in say, a place such as Focus 23, is to understand that since they are completely convinced they're still in the physical, they simply are not aware of anyone who is in the nonphysical--any Helpers, deceased family members etc, trying to get their attention. So, once you befriend them, gain their trust, and introduce them to a Helper, your job is over. The Helper will most likely already know a great deal about them and escort them to where they need to be.
If this will help:
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/index.html

You're more than welcome to PM me, Mikemass. When I first got started I relied a great deal on Helpers (they'll inform you of each stuck person, even give you ideas on how to help--what to say, do...and they're good at stepping in if you say something alarming which I did several times---lol!)...but it's nice too to know someone who's already doing it, and I never get tired of sharing whatever little I know when it comes to retrieving.

Looking forward to hearing how it goes for you, and love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Nick,

Mocha, double shot. It's a deal.

When I started working with Focused Attention (3x3x3) and was getting previously unknown info I was able to then verify in the physical, the idea that I had to experience the nonphysical in full 3D with the just-like-the-5-physical-senses just evaporated. I actually felt rather comfortable with using the mind's eye and have found it fun to learn to work with receiving and sending rotes and use nonphysical senses. But, each to their own...this is just what's worked for me.

I'll be seeing ya There--:o)...and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Euphoric Sunrise

Another wonderful post Ginny!
I've got no questions at the moment, i just thought i should actually stop and let you know what i think of your posts, since i usualy just read them and wander off somewhere else. Sorry about that.
So thanks for this and all the other touching and inspirational stories you've given us! I'd love to be able do what you do one day. That is to say, i'd love to realise that i can do what you do one day []

Euphoric Sunrise,

How kind of you and thanks--:o).
And...I can't help myself (lol)--just gotta say something here about you hoping someday you'll realize you can do this too. I pretty much had the same belief over two years ago, Euphoric, and when I found out that all of us already possess the ability to be in the nonphysical, that it's so simple to do, I was estatic. I had come to the point where I believed I was either a failure (because I couldn't master at will OOBEs, lucid dreaming, difficult meditation techniques, etc) or just unable to understand and do what others were doing. If you don't mind, I borrowed B. Moen's words about this...because this bit below caught my attention in the beginning and helped me to realize that I already had all 'the equipment I needed' to explore: that the only thing between me and exploring the nonphysical was *what I was believing* (and wouldn't ya know?--the best way to change old beliefs comes from just continually being in the nonphysical).



"What Perceptual Skills Are Required?
The perceptual skills required to explore the Afterlife are so ridiculously simple the hardest part is believing you're doing it. Suppose I ask you to remember a childhood pet. In fact, stop reading right now, close your eyes for a few moments and remember a childhood pet. Did you have an impression of your pet? Did you: see it in your mind's eye?; remembered a specific experience with it?; feel feelings you had toward it? If you had ANY impression of your pet, you are capable of learning to explore the Afterlife. Just thinking about a deceased family member or friend is like calling then on the phone in the physical. At its most basic, it's as simple as that.

When I first began, I believed I had to learn some exotic technique.
Learning the perceptual skills necessary to explore the Afterlife was ridiculously simple. Dealing with my beliefs, however, was at times, difficult."

I hope you don't mind me offering all this. I don't want anyone to ever think that I somehow possess special skills or talents--far from it.

Thanks again and much love--:o),

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Once again I am in awe of your travels..!!

Do you feel that perhaps this is your last life on this Earth?
Nay. []

Hi Nay,

I'm not surprised that I've apparently been visiting that F27 place a lot. For many years I thought physical life just basically sucked---(lol)--and had no intention of ever coming back. Now....I dunno. Things have changed...and maybe I'll leave that decision for when I finally exit...and see how I feel then.

Love,

Gin
ps....did you find a good book to read? I'm feeling a need too, to read something more 'down to earth'--:o).

quote:Originally posted by metaphysics

Dear Ginny,
First of all, great account.
Is there some easy way to get to these places you talk about? - quite honestly, Bruce Moen's site is a bit confusing.  I know it's a long shot, but is there some simple technique? How do you personally get there?
Thanks a lot,
M

Hi M,

For over two years I've just used his 3x3x3 method most of the time--to attain a nice relaxation and gather energy..and from there I had to trust that Placing Intent always works, to learn to pay attention to communications while in the nonphysical--via nonphysical senses, working with the mind's eye--and to play along in the nonphysical when unexpected things happened (such as people showing up or situations suddenly changing), and to ask questions from people There, etc. I've posted the 3x3x3 a couple of times here--is this what you're asking about?
M, I'm of the opinion that all of us really don't need 'techniques'--and yet we do, because we weren't raised with the knowledge of our ever-present connection with the nonphysical. But, the more familiar I become with the unique feel that each and every area of consciousness has, the less I feel the need for 'techniques'...and the more I just settle into a comfortable place, bring to me the feel of being relaxed (which brings it on instantly) and then bring to me the feel of any particular afterlife place or person...and I'm there. There's no way I would have trusted this two years ago, because I assumed it had to be difficult, exotic etc.
Hope I answered your question--:o).

Much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings Ginny,

Thank you very much indeed once again for another inspiring retrieval account!

Regarding Monroe - weren't many of his retrievals previous incarnations of himself?

Have you (or anyone else) ever had the idea that you might have been helping with a previous incarnation of yourself. It is certainly a most intriguing concept in helping yourself literally in this manner.

Thanks again.

With best regards,


Adrian.

Adrian,

Yes, especially when Bob found himself retrieving AA without knowing who AA really was. I also remember him retrieving folks he later was told weren't a part of his Higher Self/ Disk...and he was relieved--(lol)!

And the million dollar question..something I've wondered about too since retrieving. From experience I know we can choose to assist in retrieving fellow Higher Self/Disk members (something else B. Moen guides workshop participants into)...one good reason for doing so is that perhaps less of them will be stuck and/or need to incarnate. I've had this happen to me, unexpectedly, a few times...so just took it for granted my Higher Self knew what was needed. And, I lost track of how many times, Adrian, I was left with a peculiar feeling after certain retrievals that I was somehow linked with the stuck person....in some fashion. I never followed up on it.

I guess we're all connected to a degree...in this human experience we're having...but your questions makes me wonder if I should look into this further.

Thanks and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Lasher


My question is this.  Can the guides do this all by themselves if they want to, or do they need a person like yourself who is still alive in the physical world?  I was curious if they were allowing you to do the retrieval to help in your own spiritual evolution, or if they actually cannot do it without help from a living person.

Thanks for any information on this.  []

Hi Lasher,

When I began retrieving I assumed Helpers were 'all-powerful, all-knowing'..and wondered too about why the assistance of those still in the physical was needed. So I set out to understand and from what I've experienced I've learned that Helpers are just people, in the nonphysical, who've usually been human, who desire to just want to help others There. They do seem to have a greater ability to know what's going on There, perhaps because of their level of awareness, but they aren't all-knowing, all-seeing perfect individuals (whatever perfect means I don't know--lol--it's a word that makes no sense to me). And secondly, I learned that the area of consciousness Monroe initially labeled as Focus 23 is an area that seems to house the deceased *who don't know they've died*...and so they continue life in a mock-up, if you will, of the life they knew in the physical because they think they're still IN the physical. And because of such thinking they're usually totally unaware of anyone also residing in the nonphysical (beliefs have power).....but they can detect/recognize someone who happens along who has something in their energetic makeup that says "still-in-the-physical" to them.

The Helper I was with had most likely been trying to get the child's attention for some time, but as long as Robin was assuming he was still in the physical, he wasn't picking up on her energy/presence at all. His frame of mind said, "waiting for parents, afraid of strangers"...and that's what he was experiencing.

Once I have befriended a stuck individual or at least gotten their attention...and then introduce them to a Helper so they can then become aware of more than just themselves in their isolation and me, they're no longer stuck.  A Helper normally knows a great deal about them (at times they're deceased family, friends) and takes over from there...which is why I usually work with them: they've not only taught me a great deal but I much prefer Helpers take over, once they're able to, considering what the stuck person has already been through.

Hope I've answered your question, Lasher--:o)....and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by sargon

Very inspiring, I am eager to start helpign as you do. Hearing stories like this give me even more motivation. Thank you for your tale []

Sargon,

Bob Monroe inspired me many years ago with his retrievals experiences in his 3rd book. It just felt like something I knew I wanted to do someday. If you do help others There, in the future, be prepared to learn a great deal about who and what you really are too....which is what all of us are striving for, after all---:o).

Hope to see you There and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Thanks Ginny,

That was a wonderful retrieval story. I appreciate what you do. Your posts always touch me. Thanks.

Very best,

Thanks Nick--:o)..and much love--Gin

quote:Originally posted by Frank

quote:
I sensed great lonliness replacing her fear as she thought about this....and then I saw small fingers touch the opening and I reached down and pulled her into my arms.

Isn't that just such a lovely transition.

Yours,
Frank

Hi Frank!

Yes it is--:o). It's what keeps me going back.

Much love,

Gin

quote:Originally posted by Nay

So...can you tell us what happened when you two went to see this friend? Or perhaps it's too personal?.. I just love reading your post's about your retrievals!  Thanks a bunch for sharing []

Nay. []

Hi Nay!

About my friend, yea--personal stuff...but when that was over I of course had to start asking questions of another nonphysical person I was suddenly working with (I really hate being kept in the dark...lol) and I was introduced to one, possibly more, lifetimes within the whole Celtic thing. So, more stuff to further investigate..lottsa fun--:o).

Much love Nay,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Parmenion

Hi Dave,

Precursor to an OOBE...or one of several sensations/indications--and the vibrations aren't always necessary in experiencing an OOBE, but they seem to happen a great deal in the beginning, often fading away as one becomes more adept. Many years ago I was able to experience the 'vibrations', a few times, but it wasn't til a little over two years ago that they started happening spontaneously, ushering in OOBEs on a weekly basis...wherein I realized that the initial vibes were rather weak compared to the "feels like your head is inside a turbo engine" vibrations kind---LOL! It can be disconcerting at first but just go with the flow...allow them to happen...and more than anything, while they're happening, will yourself up...or out...or to fly. When I stopped fearing what was happening, when I allowed my curiosity to just observe the phenomenon and will myself to, say, go up towards the ceiling and then of course, beyond...yahooo what fun!--:o)

Take care and love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Greytraveller

I was going to reply and then I saw that Mirador had edited his last several posts. That put a damper on my enthusiasm. However I would like to make an important point.
Organized religions are, at best, non-committal to the idea of Projections and out of body experiences. Many churches are straightforwardly against the practice of projection. I do not know of Any large religious institution that openly encourages, much less actively encourages, people to project out of body.
So the obvious conclusion is that religions do not support the practice of projecting. There is No conspiracy amoung Christian churches to get people to induce OBEs. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

Greytraveller,

Yep...and holy cow, what would happen if people started getting their own truth through directly experiencing who/what they really are?--:o)

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by neg removal5

Hey Pod3

    Those who follow the good book are usually the ones that attract them.  If you remember the 12 apostles.  The negs were after them all the time.  It's usually the ones that are out partying all the time that the fallen angels and negs don't mess with.  The negs usually mess with those who are a threat to finding ways to counter or destroy their corrupt organization in the spiritual realm.  
    If you noticed I already mentioned prayer as number 1 on my post. You did not add anything that wasn't already mentioned.  I'm looking for people to post replies to information they have that hasn't already been mentioned in the post.  I'm also looking for open minded people who don't already think they know everything, and who have ideas and other information to share.  Have a good day.

Neg Removal5,

I feel I'm open minded and I certainly don't know everything. All I have to offer you is my own direct experience of the nonphysical, which certainly wouldn't fill the pages of the gargantuan New Age Astral Religion, part of which continues to foster the belief in 'evil' and the 'boogie man/men'---no different than what organized religion has accomplished through the centuries. "Negs' are addicts. Some know they've died, some don't. They are so narrowly focused in on getting their 'fix' (to get drunk, to have sex, to create fear, to get justice and the list goes on and on and on) that they're about as dangerous to those in the physical as is a misquito trying to do it's thing on your arm. The beliefs IN what we're told they're possibly capable of, that they can somehow have power over us and ruin our day *is what gives them power in the first place*. Beliefs have power. In my view, most of what is described as 'neg attack' is nothing more than a person's misconceptions/misunderstanding due to fear, fear-based beliefs. The belief that we can be attacked, possessed or fooled with beyond our control...the belief that we thus need protection and all that entails, is what keeps the neg experiences going full swing. Whatever beliefs we carry into the nonphysical is mirrored back to us, and it's actually a great learning tool: it's an opportunity to see what we may not want to have in our life anymore, such as fear-based beliefs.

A friend of mine years ago woke up from a very real dream, as she put it, in a state of sheer terror. A demon had been attacking her, trying to claw her face. Her religion supported such a possibility. Within the first half hour of wakefulness she could give a fairly good description of the demon...but it wasn't long before she was throughly confused because she couldn't explain why she also just knew the demon had something to do with her aunt: her aunt's face was then superimposed over the 'demon's' in her memory. She then got a phone call--a relative announcing that her aunt had died within the hour. And my friend then realized that her aunt had simply been stopping by, to say she was leaving the physical, and it had always been her aunt's custom to greet her neice and others by placing both hands on their cheeks--holding a person's face with her hands--as a loving gesture. Where did the seemingly very real image of the demon come from, and her initial terror? Her beliefs created them.

Have a good day and take care,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by sweet_celestial_sounds

Darryl,

Warm and gooey huh? Well if that worked for ya--:o). I just admire the way you were able to connect...in understanding to bypass some things in order to go to your source. And I look forward to reading any more you'd like to post. I know at times it can be difficult to express with words these experiences...but, it's interesting to know what others experience.

Take care and happy adventures, Darryl,

Ginny

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by sweet_celestial_sounds

Hey Ginny! []

Cosmic D,

~Hey. How do you experience your Source Self? (Moen calls it his disc.)~


At first, while in a small park-like setting I create in Focus 27 a few years ago, I guess I felt a need to experience them with what I was comfortable with: human/physical manifestations/5 physical senses...so they presented themselves in form. I still enjoy this premise but I now rely a lot more on what I feel (as you so beautifully stated, they each have their own essence signature) to know who I'm with, to understand any communications, etc. I have 'seen' them grouped together as a gray-whitish mass with a few individuals close to me temporarily in human and animal form, as well as several appearing as bright,gold-white orbs, or humanoid forms filled with energy and so on. The more I move away from thinking I need to use the 5 physical senses or carbon copies of such sensing while There, and instead open up to feeling their frequencies or essence, the better I'm able to 'tune into' them and experience all that happens within receiving and sending rotes. And, if I understand your experience correctly, Darryl...that's exactly what you did? It's like, you didn't spend a lot of time having to experience them in form, or in a human/earthly sense---you just leaped over all that and went more to their truer state of being? Wow!!!! Congratulations!

Something else I've been experimenting with is, while conscious and relaxed, eyes open, I bring to me that daydreaming feeling state...and then ask them questions. It's fun...and interesting.

It's all so very simple, isn't it?


Looking forward to more posts from you!---:o)


Much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Hey Ginny.

I just LOVE your posts, they are sooooo interesting..gives me chills (the good ones [])
Perhaps I find them interesting because in 98% of my dreams, involve helping or saving people..Sometimes very large groups or just one person...I would like to make it a goal to do what you do.. Have no idea where to begin, but if it is meant to be, I trust the path will show itself.

Thanks again for your lovely posts.!!

Nay. []

Hi Nay,

I seldom remember through dreams where I've been, what I've done. Sounds as if you have great recall. Just my opinion but I think a great many of us (if not all) are quite actively involved during sleep in helping others, among other things.

Thanks for your kind thoughts and love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

wow Ginny, thanks.

Thanks back Tisha---:o)

Originally posted by sweet_celestial_sounds

So it was me and in my awareness there were these two presences, or entities, that were masses of energy and formless, like globules of energy, and their essences were their names, and they each had their unique energy signiture, which was Ok. They were very identifiable. But without names they... we were closer. We were both essences- I and them. And it was a meeting of essences, rather than a meeting of personalities, or forms.
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Sweet_Celestial_Sounds,

Oh wow! I essentially got the same message, several times, that names weren't necessary. This kinda bugged me until it became apparent that identifying them, by what I now call 'their unique feel', was what I was suppose to focus in on anyway (I ended up nicknaming them because it's almost impossible to later write who I've been with by trying to describe their feel). And every visit with them always means I come away feeling as if I've been with true friends...and I have such a sense of well being and wonder.
They are just a thought or intent away: yes, couldn't agree with you  more...and just my 2 cents but I feel they are ever-present...it's just a matter of us learning how to tune into them, anytime we want.

Thanks for sharing your experience and much love,

Ginny