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Is anyone on this site familiar with an organization called IAC that teaches courses in Projectiology (OBE) and Conscientiology? I have just recently herard about them, Waldo Riviera and Wagner Allegretti? Does anyone have any information on this? Thankyou

I think I may have made a mistake in coming here. I'm sorry. I didn't know this was the Church of Robert Bruce and we were supposed to be following his Bible, Astral Dynamics. I won't bother any of you any more. Sorry.

Adrian, thanks for the info about this book. I will get it and probably compare it to Bohm and Talbot. Yes it does seem that we are RTT's(receivers, transformers, transmitters). Interesting isn't it? just what people receive(or claim to), and what and how we transform and transmit?  I am interesteed if Joachim Wolf has concluded that their is no conclusion. If not, I'll have to write him and take issue with him.

Karnautrahl,  thanks for the warning about guruitis or whatever you called it. It's people like you who help to keep us free.

A lot of people would tell ZJrules that there is no quick and easy way to OBE. But that doesn't mean there isn't any. All that says is one's current limitation of consciousness brings one to the conclusion that there isn't any. ZJrules, as well as Freefaller, both have an incredible energy and power of determination. I don't even know them but I can feel them, feel them a lot. One of them or both might just be the one's who discover a quick and easy way. And won't just about everybody who comes here be happy, elated, jumpin for joy and fireworks and everything else. I know that a way exists. Lots of people who come here know it. In fact many of us are hoping we find pieces of the puzzle here. More power to the bold and determined ZJRules and Freefallers of this world.

Hi,  I'm surprised no one else has responded to your plea for help.  The problem you present has been a big focus of my attention for many years. I've learned lots of techniques. Some work, some don't. Some work sometimes. If you are sincere in wanting help with this, I will be glad to invest the time and friendship, but I will have to ask you some personal questions. So if you want to Private Mail me, go ahead, and we can continue from there.

I just came back from a bike ride and thought a lot more about this. I don't recall smelling during an Obe, yet I have an uncanny ability to smell in the normal waking state, to the point where people make fun of me, my father used to even when I was a child. I can smell great distances and smell people sometimes, not body odor or perfumes, but their character. Weird huh? But I don't recall smelling in the "astral".  Taste has always been bland, not sweet, not sour, not salty, not bitter, but an emptiness. Taste empty? I don't know how to describe it yet at times I continued to carry that taste when I  "returned". The others, sight, hearing, feeling, as I said before, seem to happen simultaneously, most of the time, perhaps because I'm sensing from my core, or feeling from the heart as it is so often put. Perhaps my individual senses converge in my core. I'll try and be conscious of smell next time and let you know what I experience.. Thanks for your inquiry. This is the type of thing that gets me a working, which I love to do. That's why people  have been calling me innerpilot for over 35 years now.

I have experienced this also, and the reverse of it as well. There were times when I OBE'd and when I came back I was exhilerated and energized as if I had had a long sleep even though I had been out only a short time and I remained awake the rest of the night.

Sometimes I've experienced more than one sense at the same time. Perhaps you've read other person's accounts of color. Blue isn't just blue it has a tactile sensation to it. Sometimes what I see also has sound and feeling at the same time, as if I am multi-sensual all at once,  and multi-perceiving. Some of it may be due to the difference in timing. Instant communication, instant teletransport. It's difficult to describe. Perhaps there are new terms for some of this, or I'm sure there will be. I'm sure someone will write a book or concoct a course with new terminolgy or perhaps someone already has. I really don't know what chakras they are connected to. The latest things I've read about chakras, is they they are actually all one chakra, or holochakra. Then another book says there are new chakras developing all the time. I really don't think anyone has completely mapped it out, although many people think they have (and it's interesting how their conclusions vary). If it's something that is part of CIM, (constant intelligent motion), then it can't be completely mapped out because it doesn't stop changing, evolving, long enough to form hard and fast "absolute" conclusions about it.

Know the Beatles', "Instant Karma?"

I'm trying to understand the problem you are currently posting. Do you think you might be a bit wired? Going to school all day then up until 2a.m. on the computer?  Practising techniques, writing a book, playing guitar, looking for a girlfriend? Any t.v. or video games in there somewhere? Homework, reading, cellphone? Sometimes wired out brain exhaustion will bring a flood of images you can't control when you lay down and close your eyes. Want to look at that first and see if we can rule it out or establish it as fact before going further? You can overload sensory data, with each and all of the senses. That may be what's happening and a little life style change might be in order. Just take it slow. Look at your life honestly. That's a cool thing. Might be a good step. It's up to you. Please forgive me if it seems like I am interfering with your personal life. But I took this post as a request for help and I'm just trying to respond openly and honestly. You present as a highly intelligent person, and overload is a common affliction to gifted people. Really important to look at this. Robert Bruce emphasises over and over again "relaxation". He screams it out. One of my meditation teachers used to get frustrated with people who complained about having difficulty meditating, and he would say, "You let your horses run wild all day, then 15 minutes before bedtime you expect to reign them in and calm them down". So take a look at this, if I'm totally off the wall, say so, and we'll work at it from a different angle, if you are sincere in wanting help. I'll do whatever I can to help, simply because I know what it is to need help, and I am grateful for all the help I have received and continue to need. We are a weird bunch of people, we really just might all need one another.

If you want to develop will power to Project, may I suggest that you do so in the affirmative rather than negative or denial. Instead of things like, "I'm not watching any more soap operas" or "I'm not eating any more cake", try reversing that attitude with "I'm going to only watch truly educational shows" or "I'm going to eat healthy foods from now on". A forward or affirmative direction will more quickly and firmly lead to determination which will boost your enthusiasm and resolve, thus increasing your energy. I think Robert Bruce will also agree with determination, enthusiasm, resolve, and energy as necessary componets for conscious exit projections. I don't know you, so it's just a suggestion. Hope it helps.

Are you still working on that 15 hour class project?

See the whole movie! Twice, at least. Rent it. it brought a lot of people out of the closet. I was surprised how many people I spoke with about it, had a personal obe story to tell.

Freefaller,  make sure you read the post that Manix wrote today on the post Matrix authored by ZJrules. He is recommending a book he says is really great. Maybe something you are looking for.

I don't know about them being screwed up any more than now. I think a lot of people back then began to exhibit behaviour that wasn't the norm and they may have appeared screwed up. A lot of them actually became pioneers for many many things. Coming out of the closet with other than "norm" behavior, has been beneficial to the individual as well as the society in the long run. Many segments of society today would consider those who seek OBE to be "screwed up", so "screwed up" could be a good thing. As a former therapist, I guess the bottom line for me, was the question, is the behavior harmful to the individual or others? With regards to LSD, the answer is yes, it can be harmful, and I don't encourage it either. But I also don't use scare tactics. I believe in honesty and have to admit that lots of people have had good experiences also. But because of the duality of possible outcomes, one has to seriously ask, is it worth the risk?

Forgive me, the above post refers to what Thelou  wrote earlier. My error for referring to him as 'she'.

When she was talking about changing the verbiage, she was talking about changing the concept, hence changing the program. Think of your system(body) as a computer, your consciousness as a mouse, where would you like to go?

I used many years ago. Had incredible, even cathartic OBEs, but had some horrible experiences with the drug also. One of the things I relish with Projection is the wonderful sense of freedom. It's not that I'm a control freak or anything close, but I love my sense of freedom that continues to grow and I don't like my experiences being controlled by a drug or a person or a group of persons etc. I think that a lot of musicians who projected either with or without drugs, wrote a lot about freedom and sooner or later learned that you have to be free even from the medium, the technique, that once served your purpose,whether it be a drug, a philosophy, a religion, a particular OBE technique etc., if one wants to continue to grow and expand. You might enjoy the Moody Blues also.

Did you draw that picture on your profile "Spirit Image"?

I wonder how many people still use LSD to Project. I was at an OBE lecture earlier this month, attended by 40-50 people and there were four who talked about their current use and their OBEs.

I applaud Alpha Omega and AntiGravity for having the courage to follow their own hearts. Using the "feeling from the heart", YOUR heart, to accomplish YOUR goal, will get you there much faster than following someone else's roadmap. Advice from others may be a good thing for inspiration, encouragement, trial and error, and you may even incorporate a little of this and a little of that from other people into your own recipe. But afterall it's your cake. That's really all Robert Bruce really did. If you analyze his work, he took a little of this, a little of that, and put something together that he calls His.

There are many schools that teach "equal exchange". Some really believe that healing won't work unless something of equal value is exchanged. It's not about payment, it's about respect, seriousness of intent, and energy transfer. Not all do this, but there are many.

Beautiful question, Freefaller. Figure it out yet? Perhaps it has nothing to do with higher or lower, the experience is not measured this way, it's just us dumb people who are habituated to measuring in a linear fashion that screws it up. Linear measurement is not the true model of the universe. Not by a long shot. Keep working on this and see what you come up with. It's a very important step, for a lot of reasons. People need to be liberated from the linear model.

Continue to wait for that white light, Major Tom. Especially if it comes from a Star Craft that actually does beam you up and teaches you a few things. Beautiful beautiful feeling. Real expanded consciousness, beyong the thinking, measuring mechanism, feels really really good. I think Robert Bruce's NEW emphasis on the Tactile methods reinforces "feeling" your way rather than academically "thinking" it which so many of us get caught up in. I try to practice it wherever I go in different full waking situations also. Gotta be careful when driving my truck.

The dream journal is recommended by many Astral teachers including the fairly new International Academy of Consciousness. I have been doing it for many years, one of my friends gives me a book of empty pages every year for Christmas and I usually start a new book Jan.1. Keep book and pen right next to the bed. Lots of times though I have difficulty reading my writing later on in the day. Sometimes I think I write while I'm still "under". But I, as Major Tom has said, have also found that lucidity and remembering increase very quickly. I have also been able to continue some dreams, even three or four times, during the course of one sleep period. It helps one take a more proactive role in the sleep process, which we now know is anything but unconscious.