How advanced is this form?

[Adun]

I was looking for a place to see if I could find any insight on a dominating issue of mine.

Essentially I will soon be preparing for the up coming events in 2012 though I probably shouldn't say too much.

The events them self are going to be quite extraordinary. On December 23 2012 a barrier, erected approximately 50,000 years ago, will come down this day. Which will allow for this fabled spiritual awakening. This barrier separates us from our connection to the spiritual world by suppressing any attempt of utilize the energies of of higher planes.

Oh the excitement of what will come. I can guarantee that what will come will be quite interesting.

Just don't kill yourself when 2012 comes and nothing happens.

[Clockwork]

which realms are you specifically referring to?  there are perhaps infinite realms.

It's really just a blanket term to me right now. I'm no where near familiar enough with the operating and layering function of the realms so maybe details about the realms are a poor question to ask me. I will be looking into this for the next few years, I'm still learning. At this point I really only have a few odd secondhand stories to tell which really aren't of much interest beyond diarrhea and giggles.

[Clockwork]

Just don't kill yourself when 2012 comes and nothing happens.

Ugh, I get enough of that crap from a douche bag friend of mine. (He watches too many alien encounter and cult documentaries) Thank god I'm leaving sometime soon.

If nothing dose happen I'll just move back to where I'll be hanging for the next 3.5 years. I am not a petty person, I'm not going to weigh my entire life on this event, no matter how large it may be to me. There are many roads to take and I will not let failure lead me to a dead end nor a trip into the ditch.

[astral traveler]

At this point I really only have a few odd secondhand stories to tell which really aren't of much interest beyond diarrhea and giggles.

[astral traveler]

Just don't kill yourself when 2012 comes and nothing happens.

perhaps i'll start investing all of my money in the stockmarket right at the end of 2011, lolol.  is this a good idea?

[Clockwork]

uumm, okay.  this is an exciting climax to the astral barrier story, lolol.

Excuse me?

[astral traveler]

Excuse me?

i'm sorry, but i thought that you were using levity.  i don't mean to offend.  i can delete my last post if you'd like.

blessings to you for the holiday.   i have honestly been interested in your stories.

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

i'm listening.

Me too.

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

No one cared enough to do any proper research so little is known or my contacts care little of scientific curiosity to relay any research that has been done.

Hey Clockwork, I'm very curious.  Who are your contacts?  Thanks in advance.

Venus

[Clockwork]

i'm sorry, but i thought that you were using levity.  i don't mean to offend.  i can delete my last post if you'd like.

blessings to you for the holiday.   i have honestly been interested in your stories.

No hard feelings, I didn't quite get your meaning.

[astral traveler]

No hard feelings, I didn't quite get your meaning.

sometimes internet text doesn't adequately convey facial expressions and voice intonation.  i enjoy chatting with you.

[Clockwork]

Hey Clockwork, I'm very curious.  Who are your contacts?  Thanks in advance.

Venus

This is where I must ask of your current religious beliefs and ask you to abandon them. They will do nothing but to hinder your comprehension.

Before we move on with this question I must ask what religious affiliation would you best identify with? I know it seems to be an odd question but my meaning will be clear soon.

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Before we move on with this question I must ask what religious affiliation would you best identify with? I know it seems to be an odd question but my meaning will be clear soon.

I understand.  I like to call myself 'spiritual' as the division between religions is 'man made' which has been polarising people and societies and is getting a bit out of control - and I don't really want to get involved.  I was brought up as a Christian and have been a good one until about 10 years ago.  These days I read metaphysical books, meditate, attend psychic/healing, OBE classes (and attempt OBE of course! I've had 3 so far and several paranormal experiences) and I come in here to learn from the pros.  I'm pretty open minded.  Is that sufficient info?

[Clockwork]

I understand.  I like to call myself 'spiritual' as the division between religions is 'man made' which has been polarising people and societies and is getting a bit out of control - and I don't really want to get involved.  I was brought up as a Christian and have been a good one until about 10 years ago.  These days I read metaphysical books, meditate, attend psychic/healing, OBE classes (and attempt OBE of course! I've had 3 so far and several paranormal experiences) and I come in here to learn from the pros.  I'm pretty open minded.  Is that sufficient info?

I like how you say "the division between religions is 'man made'" That is very true except there are also political divisions between the religions also. In the sense that the beings that many call gods negated over the lands that they wished to spread their mythology.

Simply put godhood is essentially a social status much like aristocrat. The only defining factor is power, much like humans gain power though utilization of money, gods are powerful because of the amount of chi they have at their fingertips. The concept is a bit difficult to relay because western society has a radically different meaning to the word god than the way I am using it.

Christan's and other Abrahamic religions are a bit more difficult to handle because I am defining a god as a particular type of being, much like a species, but within western society "God" is depicted as reality it self. There is actually a very interesting story about YWHW to go with that, but that is a story for another time and place.

To clarify, gods aren't as specal as most make them out as. Some do have enough power to create planets and races but they do not override the laws of reality. Though they do exist in a part of reality that allow any being, even a human, to have a surreal control of their surroundings there are still laws of physics that they must conform to.

How do I know any of this? Well, simply, I know one of these beings that we would call a god. Serdyn, son of Loki, he is quite the odd fellow. Serdyn has been living as a human for quite a few life times now. Familiar with the term avatar?

I have a few other contacts but their stories are a bit too much to speak of right now. I'll be bombard with enough questions as it is for now, so for another time.

[Starvingpercussionist]

I get what you're saying about the difference between "God" and "gods", although a lot of what you're saying seems a bit far out. Could you start from the beginning? How did you get started with this research?

[Clockwork]

I get what you're saying about the difference between "God" and "gods", although a lot of what you're saying seems a bit far out. Could you start from the beginning? How did you get started with this research?

Its more like taught than researched, and a lot of logical conceptualization. Though I probably left out a lot of the back round of how I came to these conclusions so it's may be a bit difficult to follow.

Sorry I can't say more at the moment, I'm a bit of edge with something going on right now. Could you specify a more precise question for me to answer?

[Starvingpercussionist]

Sure. How did you first contact Serdyn?

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Thanks for the prompt reply Clockwork.

I tend not to use the word God as the immediate picture I get is the Christian God, that humans have created from the image of themselves, a vengeful short-tempered and all-powerful being who can and will destroy you for your 'sins'.

I think your contact is a highly evolved being.  And I would consider Jesus to be in that category as well.  Also, I have read in Dr Vieira's diary of projections that he met this androgenous person who has been on earth for some 800 years.  This being is able to change his/her body shape anytime and moves from country to country to avoid being detected.  He/she does not eat or have sex - said that stopped ages ago.  Obviously this person is here to educate people and is doing that as a university lecturer.  

Saying that, I guess the physical laws that everyone have to abide by must have been created by someone or something.  Pure energy exists for our manipulation as well, and that must have come from somewhere.  I would consider the creator of this and our ultimate home to be God or the source.  Not sure what your thoughts are on this.

Thanks for sharing and I'd love to hear more.

Venus

[Clockwork]

Thanks for the prompt reply Clockwork.

I tend not to use the word God as the immediate picture I get is the Christian God, that humans have created from the image of themselves, a vengeful short-tempered and all-powerful being who can and will destroy you for your 'sins'.

I think your contact is a highly evolved being.  And I would consider Jesus to be in that category as well.  Also, I have read in Dr Vieira's diary of projections that he met this androgenous person who has been on earth for some 800 years.  This being is able to change his/her body shape anytime and moves from country to country to avoid being detected.  He/she does not eat or have sex - said that stopped ages ago.  Obviously this person is here to educate people and is doing that as a university lecturer.  

Saying that, I guess the physical laws that everyone have to abide by must have been created by someone or something.  Pure energy exists for our manipulation as well, and that must have come from somewhere.  I would consider the creator of this and our ultimate home to be God or the source.  Not sure what your thoughts are on this.

Thanks for sharing and I'd love to hear more.

Venus

I have yahoo noticing me when any one posts, its actually really cool. Yay technology.

I believe, YWHW to be effectively dead (shred to bits) and his name being attributed to an unreal concept that we know as God.

I find that story of a shape shifter a bit hard to believe. It kind of has a weird quality to it. Serdyn goes from avatar to avatar, very much an ordinary human except for a lot of spiritual oddities.

My thoughts on the last paragraph? Would you be speaking of Creator?

[Clockwork]

Sure. How did you first contact Serdyn?

Met him online, its actually quite a long story but essentially a friend was in distress, she added him into the conversation cause he seemed to be handling the situation inappropriately. then He ends up saving her from certain death.

He actually help me acquire my other important contacts. From the knowledge Serdyn has provided I was able to attract Mr. X (he really dosen't like me talking his personal stuff so I'm going to exclude his name) It's actually kinda funny cause he was acting like an annoying idiot that I was correcting but he was just doing that to test my knowledge saying "not many other people know the true nature of gods"

[Starvingpercussionist]

essentially a friend was in distress, she added him into the conversation cause he seemed to be handling the situation inappropriately.

Did you mean to say "appropriately"?

[Clockwork]

Everyone thought she was dead for the longest wile. But he was just hiding her in a very odd way.

[Starvingpercussionist]

Sounds like a complicated situation. I'm wondering though, how are you sure that this guy, Serdyn, is for real?

[Clockwork]

Sounds like a complicated situation. I'm wondering though, how are you sure that this guy, Serdyn, is for real?

I don't, at least for now. Well besides some metaphysical interaction. Ether way I will know for sure when I go on my adventures.

[Starvingpercussionist]

What kind of metaphysical interaction?