Scientists agree that something big will happen in 2012!

[kurtykurt42]

Michio Kaku talked about the solar cycle on Fox News on Thursday. “We made a mistake,” he said, speaking about industry calculations about solar flares. Kaku believes the cycle will peak around 2012. The Internet, Fox, television, cable, satellite TV could all get “wiped out around 2012″. NASA agrees, predicting the next solar maximum should be a “doozy.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujQg2E_fDw

[Oblivion]

A lot of people for many years have witnessed a phenomena (myself included) where we always see the number 11:11.
Nobody ever really new the meaning of this, why were people noticing the time 11:11? some people would just get some urge for no reason to view the clock and it would be 11:11.

Well i've got news for you, on the 21st December 2012 (the date the mayan calendar ends) the Winter Solstice begins at exactly 11:11am Universal Timezone.

Not only this but for the first time for thousands of years the Sun will line up precisely with the exact centre of the Milky Way galaxy. The Sun lines up with the central "band" of the Milky Way twice every year but only once every several thousand years does it line up precisely with the exact centre and this will occur at 11:11am on 21st December 2012.

The Sun goes through 11 year cycles of intensity. The sun come December 2012 will be at it's peak activity meaning it's going to be extremely rough shooting off intense sun flares and having a high number of sun spots.

Just look at the date 21st December 2012. (21/12/2012). Add them up and what do you get?

2+1+1+2+2+0+1+2=11 so even there we get the very important number of 11. It's almost like a last ditch effort to get people to wake up and realise something is happening.

I can tell you what is happening. Our planet is evolving and ascending to the 4th density but it does so in the same way a cell splits in 2 and multiplies. Those who are ready to ascend along with the Earth will ascend to the 4th density as well and once there they will have the most fantastic spiritual awakening.

Those not ready for ascension though will be left behind on the 3rd density Earth, and they will be the ones who suffer the long foretold and prophesied cataclysms. The ones foretold by the Bible and the ones foretold by Nostradamus.

[kurtykurt42]

What about all my electronics do they get to come with me into the 4th density?

[Vibra]

Ill tell you what something is definitely coming, be it small or big. So many things are so far out of "normality" its mind blowing. Ive been studying legitimate natural science studies lately (solar activity, Schuman resonance, weakening magnetic north, crazy weather patterns, rapidly accelerating number of and intensity of earthquakes, increasing sporadic volcanic activity, galactic gravitational pulls, galactic alignment etc etc etc etc) and corralating natural phenomena together with human actions and attitudes. Something is not right, Something is going on.
Whether something is going to happen or not you have to admit, we as a collective consciousness are going through some interesting times. Open you mind and eyes, forget all you think you know, and pay attention, meditate you will see what I mean.   

[Oblivion]

I would like to share with you all 10 videos, please watch them all as they explain sooooooo much of what things are, how things work, what is going to happen etc etc.
These 10 videos are all of the same lecture and lecturer, the entire link I give you take you to a playlist so you don't have to do anything, when the first video stops the second one starts automatically so just sit back, relax and enjoy these 10 vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEf7Iv_6QDk&feature=PlayList&p=45D076DB88A007B6&index=0

[Oblivion]

What about all my electronics do they get to come with me into the 4th density?

An interesting thought, no way of knowing until the transfer/ascension to 4th density actually occurs and then we will find out. I think more than likely yes they will, the entire planet and everything on it will be effected by the change of vibration. Those who are "evil" or closed minded and service to self will have too low a vibrational frequency to ascend.

Technically speaking the 4th density is already there, we are just unable to actually see it, same as our eyes are unable to "see" microwaves for example. When we ascend our consciousness and physicality will evolve and will allow us to perceive the higher density.

[kurtykurt42]

Thanks for the link Oblivion, I just gone done watching it.

I watched an interview of him back in 2004 where he talked about all the same topics but without the fancy power point presentation. I love how he related everything to TV shows and movies.

A few years back on his website i sent him a couple of emails about his experiences and to my surprise he responded immediately. He is definitely the real deal and a very nice guy as well.

[slavefree]

According to the Mayan Calendar all the planets (including the sun) - redacted -. This doesn't mean the end of the world but it does mean a new beginning.

Based on the resources listed on my site, what will happen is not exactly known but there's no doubt there's going to be a great struggle of some kind.

2012 is the new Y2K. Alot of predictions, information, and conspiracy about the topic but not enough education in the mainstream to encourage people to do real research about the subject them selves. Instead you have youtube videos and cult followings of the end all fantasy.

In my honest opinion, if your really scared of 2012 you shouldn't be. If your prepared in the etheric world, what happens to you in the physical won't effect your life after your body dies. The world only exist because your aware of your self.

[Oblivion]

According to the Mayan Calendar all the planets (including the sun) will be aligned exactly. This doesn't mean the end of the world but it does mean a new beginning.

I hate to be the barer of bad news but no, the planets do not align in 2012. The Sun does however line up with the centre of the Galaxy from the perspective of the Earth.

[slavefree]

I fixed the post.

I know so much and yet I still talk out of my butt

[interception]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEf7Iv_6QDk&feature=PlayList&p=45D076DB88A007B6&index=0[/url]

The pituitary gland/acorn thing was interesting... I was open to these vids, but he made himself out to be an incarnation of Edgar Cayce simply because he resembles him? Come on!

When he started using American movies in an attempt to illustrate his points he lost all credibility to me. If you want to be taken seriously, don't go and quote movies

[kurtykurt42]

I think it's a good idea to use tv shows and movies to illustrate his points. For example he used Stargate SG1 a couple times, which i think is a perfect example of how a top secret facility is run in real life. I also found that chair he was talking about very interesting. I would definitely like to know how that works.

[radman32]

OK, so that whole video was mind blowing, in that it made a lot of connections and possibilities real. I can't wait for the sh** to hit the fan when crazy events happen so suddenly, but the true test is at 11:11 12/21/2012, and he was saying that to proceed correctly is to be what?? Did he say to be spiritually sound and right; like practice OBE, active chakra; be forgiving, loving, etc. And if ur a choosen to ascend then u evolve beyond means!??? I don't really know his exact interpretation, so i'd like to hear ur's ...

[kurtykurt42]

Let the levitation begin.

I think what he's saying is that we will shift our consciousness to the etheric plane (4th density) while others will remain on the physical plane(3rd density). Also, the astral planes (5th density) will be easier to access. There are many similarities between the etheric plane and astral plane. Such as healing, levitating, instant teleportation, and telepathy.

[radman32]

ok, that's what i came to conclude too. So we'll be ever incorporated into these planes? Or we'll just leave the physical plane and not return. OR, the planes will be meshed together and tricky things happen, and we'll be all in one planes, but not moving through time ever again, just playing w/ conscience and creation of thought. We'll ultimately shed our needs for lower planes and eventually transcend to the toppest tier planes. I'm not sure in what time frame this elapses in because space-time and time space are meshed ... yeah, the craziest possibilities.

What would be really cool to live through is the events in this sequence, all proceeding eachother progressivly
1) Chaos period
-world destruction, chaos, ect.
2) The big switch
-people start ascending slowly, starting at their own paces
-conscience is taking over
-creations of whatever start
3) War periods
-superhero wars
-(later on) godly wars
4) Complete ascension
-those who belong in the wholy grace of eternity are enveloped
-and life is started over again

i don't really care if it does, but that'd be epic!!
ps- why i thought this could be possible is because Wilcock said, it's up to your input.

Now if he meant, like Nostrodamus meant, that there's an option to proceed or fail, then that'd be aight too. If i heard right too, then those who proceed will evolve, like our dna will change like the crop circles depicted, because at which plane we achieve, it'll resonate w/ our dna and mutate us to become super human, godly, what ever.

[kurtykurt42]

I'm interested to see what percentage of people will ascend to the 4th density. My guess is 50%, which means about 3.38 billion will remain here and have to face earthquakes, volcanoes, pole shifts, solar flares and whatever else might happen.

[Stillwater]

What grounds do people have for thinking that there will be an ascension at all?

I always hear this ascension to the 4th/5th/6th  denisity/plane/dimension/vibrational level stuff whenever someone brings up a new special date, and people also talk about the service to other-service to self thing, sometimes in close conjunction with the lizard people stuff. In 1997-1999 it was the "photon belt" ascension. 2001-2003 was planet X. Granted, the 2012 thing has been in popular culture since the 70s, and is the first of these dates that I know of to be discussed openly by the public at large, I still don't see any basis for the ascension logic other than, "If it is gonna happen at all, it is gonna happen then", sorta arguments.

I wonder who came out with the Planet X / ascension idea.... the whole thing has to be bigger than just Zachariah Sitchin and David Icke.

I am not at all saying that any of the aforementioned is necessarily untrue or not going to happen, but rather that these claims have been made before, and that if they are to be believed now, it would require some powerful evidence and arguments, and I have not encountered either yet, aside from the Mayan standby (they were really good at astronomy and date-keeping, and arguably predicted some hard-to know stuff, but didn't to my knowledge mention any ascension).

I would love to ascend and spend some time in the 5th density, and use my cool new soul powers as much as the next cat , but no one to my recollection has given a good reason yet why that would happen, other than that they really want it to.

Stillwater

[kurtykurt42]

The grounds i am basing my assumptions on are the thousands of hours of research i have done on the subject. Reading hundreds of government documents, interviews and books.

Here are just a couple of people I would reccomend looking into:

In 1964 Bob Dean, a Command Master Sergeant, was given access to a copy of a document called "An Assessment". Dean stated that there were only 15 copies, one of which was kept in the safe. He said he read it every chance he had, being able to access the document because he had Cosmic Top Secret Clearance, As would be expected in the case of such a high-security classified document. "The Assessment" concluded, in 1964, that there were four different extraterrestial civilizations visiting Earth, but by Dean's retirement from the military in 1976, he claims, the report stated that there were at least twelve different extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth.  He did an interview with Project Camelot in 2007 which he said would be his final interview. Where he talks about extraterrestials, Ufos and 2012.

Duncan O'Finioan was brainwashed, conditioned and controlled as part of a highly classified MK-ULTRA program called PROJECT TALENT. From a thousand others trained as a child in 1966, he is now, he believes, only one of 20 left alive to tell the story.
Twenty years later, Duncan (who is of mixed Cherokee and Irish blood) comes forward to tell the truth about the Ultimate Warrior project: how he was chosen, groomed and tortured into becoming the perfect fighting machine, combining physical superiority with the extraordinary mental abilities of a psychic spy.Fearless, principled, and determined to regain control over his life, Duncan O'Finioan tells his story in detail.

David Wilcock is a professional intuitive consultant who, since reading Richard C. Hoagland's "The Monuments of Mars" in 1993, has intensively researched ufology, ancient civilizations, consciousness science, and new paradigms of matter and energy. He is the author of a critically acclaimed trilogy of scientific research works, known as the Convergence series, which gives definitive support to the idea that a change in matter, energy and consciousness is now occurring on the Earth and throughout the solar system.

All you can do is gather the evidence and make conclusions. It is my personal opinion that these men are not lying and have had contact with spiritual and extraterrestial entities. These three, as well as many others have been contacted and told what will happen in 2012. They are good people and want to help prepare us for whats coming. So like i said before, watch all of their interviews with Project Camelot and also any seminars they might have done. They are all free to watch on the internet.

[Xanth]

I'm interested to see what percentage of people will ascend to the 4th density. My guess is 50%, which means about 3.38 billion will remain here and have to face earthquakes, volcanoes, pole shifts, solar flares and whatever else might happen.

Another theory to that is that you've gotta die before you can ascend too. 
I've read and watched many things regarding it and *ALL* of them are sketchy at best regarding HOW the ascension process will happen.

[kurtykurt42]

In any event if something DOES happen, what percentage of people will live and what percentage will die?

[Oblivion]

Has anyone ever heard of the pope prophecies of St Malachy?

I'm not a biblical person myself, i'm not Christian or anything like that but I do believe the Bible has some basis in truth especially when it comes to the "end times".

St Malachy was a member of the Catholic church on the 12th century if my memory serves me. He wrote down the names of 112 popes that would come to power in the Vatican from his lifetime to the "end time".

The current pope, Pope Benedict XVI is the 111th pope since St Malachy meaning there's only 1 left to take power in the Vatican before the "end time".

If Pope Benedict XVI dies within the next 3 years and another takes over then that's just one more thumbs up to the whole 2012 subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kCYk1LgSA

[Oblivion]

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[Stillwater]

Has anyone ever heard of the pope prophecies of St Malachy?

I'm not a biblical person myself, i'm not Christian or anything like that but I do believe the Bible has some basis in truth especially when it comes to the "end times".

St Malachy was a member of the Catholic church on the 12th century if my memory serves me. He wrote down the names of 112 popes that would come to power in the Vatican from his lifetime to the "end time".

The current pope, Pope Benedict XVI is the 111th pope since St Malachy meaning there's only 1 left to take power in the Vatican before the "end time".

If Pope Benedict XVI dies within the next 3 years and another takes over then that's just one more thumbs up to the whole 2012 subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kCYk1LgSA

That is interesting, I should reasearch that

David Wilcock is a professional intuitive consultant who, since reading Richard C. Hoagland's "The Monuments of Mars" in 1993, has intensively researched ufology, ancient civilizations, consciousness science, and new paradigms of matter and energy. He is the author of a critically acclaimed trilogy of scientific research works, known as the Convergence series, which gives definitive support to the idea that a change in matter, energy and consciousness is now occurring on the Earth and throughout the solar system.

I don't know- he says a lot of intriguing things, but he doesn't really bother trying to prove it in those videos. As I said before, if someone makes a grand claim, but doesn't bother to support it with substantial credible evidence, then this person is essentially asking others to make a leap of blind faith, and the kind that would do that are not the kind you want to have as your followers, and conversely, if he would ask others to do that, that undermines his own credibility.

He appears to be a decent person, but he strikes me as someone who has spent his life researching conspiracy theories, and has tried to knit them all together into one satifying master theory- he is definitely not the first to try that.

He claims that there are some 50 such "looking glass" devices the size of football stadiums hidden underground around the world, and while I don't doubt the U.S. government does much that the public never becomes aware of, the idea that the resources and personnel could be diverted to a project that collosal without anyone noticing or speaking up until now is staggering. I have honestly never encountered this looking glass idea until now, and I am familiar with a great deal of this conspiracy theory stuff. Something that big would not have gone undetected that long. It would be like trying to hide 10 NASAs all operating at once.

The problem that I have with sources such as these videos is that they state that, and don't even address why it is that, or how exactly how we can know that.

I can't inductively disqualify all such sources, only having seen a few, but I am afraid you must provide something stronger to make a tenable argument.

[Xanth]

In any event if something DOES happen, what percentage of people will live and what percentage will die?

Pick a random number between 1 and 6,000,000,000... 
Ok, we'll use that number.  lol

[kurtykurt42]

He appears to be a decent person, but he strikes me as someone who has spent his life researching conspiracy theories, and has tried to knit them all together into one satifying master theory- he is definitely not the first to try that.

If you read his website you'll find he didn't believe in any of the conspiracy theories before 1993. He is only helping other people to understand the truth. I don't think these guy's sit around making up stories saying, "look how dumb these people are that will beleive us". Becuase the fact of the matter is most people don't believe them.

He claims that there are some 50 such "looking glass" devices the size of football stadiums hidden underground around the world, and while I don't doubt the U.S. government does much that the public never becomes aware of, the idea that the resources and personnel could be diverted to a project that collosal without anyone noticing or speaking up until now is staggering. I have honestly never encountered this looking glass idea until now, and I am familiar with a great deal of this conspiracy theory stuff. Something that big would not have gone undetected that long. It would be like trying to hide 10 NASAs all operating at once.

Bob Dean talked about the looking glass devices and said they were placed in capsules from humans 43,000 years in the future. They are the size of a football he said, not a football field.

The problem that I have with sources such as these videos is that they state that, and don't even address why it is that, or how exactly how we can know that.

I can't inductively disqualify all such sources, only having seen a few, but I am afraid you must provide something stronger to make a tenable argument.

I guess i don't understand why these people would all be lying. What do they have to gain? Most of what guys like David Wilcock talk about information they receive from retired black ops personnel. The guys that have retired from the Air Force, Army, Nave, CIA signed 20 year non disclosure documents that are punishable by prison. As well as losing there pension. But after those 20 years are up some of them are coming out with there stories to let others know what is going on.

I can't inductively disqualify all such sources, only having seen a few, but I am afraid you must provide something stronger to make a tenable argument.

I have heard this from a thousand skeptics before. I don't understand why you would want to inductively disqualify these sources? Arguments have been made to go to war with far less. There are declassified government documents, testimony from men who have worked at these facilities. What else do you want?