2012 War - What really happened

[kakkarot]

i'm interested, clow, in how you define "demon" when you are able to include el chupacabra in there.

mothman --> arthur. SPOOOOOON!!!! []

~kakkarot

[Aries]

Does El Chupacabra even exist?
I am not sure what it even is?? Isnt it some sort of Cow demon or some thing?? Hmm guess I will have to look it up some.
-Aries

[Aries]

Ok well, after researching the Chupacabra I have decided it is real. There is reports of 4 of them being captured in Peurto Rico or Mexico (cant remember) and the CIA coming and taking them away.
Although I can find no convincing pics of them, there is enough sightings, along with the CIA thing I mentioned above, to make me a believer that the little bas***d exists. Or did.

That or it is a unfortunite Vampire who lost his teeth and has afew straws in his pocket.
-Aries

[Gandalf]

You know, I know everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but the constant harping on about various 'doomsday' scenarios really gets on my t**s, mainly because thats all Ive heard for the past 10 years+!!

First it was Nostradamus and July 1999, which everyone had 'good' evidence, whats more it was even 'backed up' from other non-related 'traditions',
then we had the millenium crap, even when it turned out that due to a re-arangement of the calender, the millenium had already passed sometime around 1996 our time!

I was hoping for some sanity after 2000 and a hope... just a single glimmer of hope, that maybe, just maybe, once people had went through all that without any of it happening, then they LEARN not to be obsessed with all these kinds of 'revelations'.

But no, now its '2012' and we have to endure another 8 years of this stuff. In the past i would have said that i was looking forward to 2013 when (of course) nothing will have happened, but I now know that by that time, excuses will have been given and attention will have been transfered to some all new great prophesy. Add to that a whole new generation eager for their own 'doomsday' prophesy to call their very own, (which is what this mayan one is actually), and the rest of us basically have no respite.

btw, I would just ask that some of you who are into this 2012 stuff might want to check out some of the fact (proper facts!) about this as I have read in some academic journals that this whole thing has come about through a complete mistranslation and distortion of the original texts which in reality mean nothing of the sort.
Hoevever, now that the story is out there, it has taken on a life of its own, promoted by money grabbing new age writers and credulous readers.

I am in no way saying that this is the case IMV, so dont hit me with complaints about this opinion. I don't know either way. I just want to point out to people that there is actually a controvesy about this whole issue and people who are interested might want to check out the facts and not just rely on 'mayan prophesy websites' or whatever.

Above all, I would just like to invite all readers to remember this post in 9 years time when they wake up on the 1st January 2013 and find that they have NOT been elevated to a higher vibrationary level or whatever the theory is.

Thank you.
Goodnight.

Douglas

[ASunnieSpirit]

I agree with Gandalf
Even if a demon came to me in a dream and said "the darkness shall come and devour your soul in a great war" I wouldn't take it literally at all.
Many things in dreams, astral, and historical documents that deal with the future use a lot of symbols and metaphors, mostly because a person 2000 yrs ago wouldn't know how to interpret our modern world if he saw it.

Look at Nostradamus, if I remember correctly, when he predicted WW2 he described Hitler as great and terrible Monster, yep a monster, but he was only a man. He also said fire and stuff would reign down from the sky (plane bombs not demon hell fire).

Personally, im not worried about the future, if bad things happen, then so be it.

[Aries]

I agree that you shouldnt be worried. But really, what facts about this are there? Really there isnt any, anyone could say that any or all of these "facts" are untrue.
Once again I say let believe what ever they want.
Dont worry about the future, worry about now. Dont worry about Demons or raising to higher frequency. Worry about the child rapists, or about your next door neighbor and his meth lab distributing it to children. Worry about humanity, because its going down the drain...  We need to come togather as a whole, and stop all the bullsh*t about Wars, personal gain, poverty... we need to learn how to help eatchother befor we learn anything else.
My two cents.
-Aries

[spiral]

I Don't think that 2012 will be a dooms day scenario.
You're right Aries, we need to live in the now and stop worrying about what may or may not happen.
I do find it very fascinating that the mayan calendar, the giza heiroglyphs and the I-ching all point to this date. I have also heard that psychics have not been able to predict past that point in time (maybe any psychics reading this could put in thier two cents too),
but, as Jeff has so humorously pointed out, there are explanations for this other than the end of the world..

However, some of the conspiracy theorists amongst y'all may be interested in this link.
http://www.freezone.de/english/mc/e_conv04.htm
Its a bit of a long winded interview, with some far fetched material, but its another view of 2012 and other interesting subjects.

[Rob]

quote:wow, i dident know the mayans did drugs

Lots and lots and lots of mushrooms. Yummy!

Human sacrifice? Yeah I think in the later stages when their civilisation was dieing - but I could be wrong, it might have been throughout. They had some *very* different ideas from us.
Aztecs were big into that stuff, but many of the other cultures hated the idea. Probably had something to do with the aztecs using their enemies as the sacrifces......

[MJ-12]

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[Syke]

Hmm, why did Hitler come to mind when I read that?...

I think if you really wanna help the world then continue training, but train your mind... study to be a doctor, help others there are many more things you could be spending your time on.
But if you do wanna take a physical way to help, then become a vigilante... or if you don't have anything against the "man" then become a cop.

There's more to be said, but I'm too tired to say it.
-Syke

[Aries]

I agree all the things pointing till 2012 is very intresting, as I have also heard that projectors cant see past 2012...
But untill that time comes we will just have to wait and see.
Even when it does come I doubt it will be a over night type of situation...
*Clock strikes 12, crowd cheers. Then a huge portal opens up and all 9 layers of hell flop out.. thats right, flop.*
Heh.. not likely but who knows.
-Aries

[Clow]

Lol that was great aries . Anyway Chupacabra as far as I know hasnt hurt any human yet it just Eats the livestock and stuff. Really doe anyone have a better explanation. Also you guys keep saying the same thing about how this has happened so many times. Y2K and crap like that. I have given many different reasons this can be true. But you just give me that.

[Tarconiss]

Wee... Look`it me... im back!!!

Heh.. Hey guys. I've been out of the loop for a while, but ow im back. i've had a REALLY kruddy holiday season [ that i'll speak about to anyone that cares... pm me, or something]. Anywho.. about this discussion... i remember reading up and hearing on the discovery channel, that the Mayan calander was set up for different cycles and stages for the planets alignment and energy levels. The calender ending on december 23, 2012, was to signify the end of this cycle that the earth is in [ of these cycles i think i remember it saying something about there being 4 or 5 cycles... i think 5 is right, because of the planet and the elements. the water element would go along with the great flood, and other earquake, meteorite hits, and other things] and this phase that we're going into next is that of a combination of the elements, and to those that study elemental magics with a higher understanding of energies, when you combine the powers of the 4 main used/primary elements in sync with eachother you develop the pure energy archtype, that is beyond elemental defintion, but can be broken back down into the seperate components... well think of that on a planetary/universal scale... that shift is what a lot of people talk about with the higher vibrational states and things, and goes along quite well with kakkarot's dream he shared with me/us in the astral pulse a couple months back. Think that seems like a suitible time for those visions you had, to take place?

Well nomatter what the issue, everyone is entitled to thier own oppinion on things, but as a word of the wise for anyone who cares to listen, training yourself wether it be mental, physical, or metaphsical in nature, is always a good thing... just make sure that along the way, you pick up some good 'tricks' or 'hints' on survival and defence nomatter what be the case... it'll come in handy on those random black out phases, that could happen again, like it did in New York a couple months ago.

And on the issue of demons.... well.. Nomatter what anyone sais, i believe demons/angels/ other outer worldly creatures to exist, from personal experiences, so when the time comes, i'll be atleast slightly prepared for whatever it is that 'May or may not happen.'

[ to comment the issue of there always being another doomsday thing happening.... the 2012 thing is the only thing left brought to my attention, after the Y2K bs and all... so if the 2012 thing does infact turn to be a cop-out, atleast i'll feel satisfied with myself knowing that i've reached a personal goal of achievement... Look out olympics... here i come!!!!]

[MJ-12]

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[Tarconiss]

I had every intention of wanting to train to become as strong as i could, and develop any abilities i could along the way, in the first place, so hearing about a possible war that will include ACTUAL upfront interaction to deal with the 'enemy' or 'bad guys'.... I'm just useing that as a motivateing factor, to help encourage myself into training. I have a bit of procrastination built up over years that i need to work out of my system, so that i can let my true potential bloom, like i feel i was put back on earth to do. Well... atleast, i've always felt a drive and a yearning to let myself develop all of my attributes and knowledge to as much as i could retain, and from previous epiphonies, i've noticed that i do indeed possess a lot more potential ability, to do what i want, than i've seen in a lot of other people, so why not just go for it, and try to make something of myself anyways, and apply what i'll learn to be able to do, in my normal life; so that if something DOES end up happening, atleast i CAN be ready for it, and not get 'wasted' in the first few days of it all.

I'm not sure if there is a war comeing, but i DO know.... Feel, that something is on its way, and i would like to be what i've wanted to be, before my time is up, just in case. I'm not letting it run my life.. but i am being cautious none-the-less of what i feel. Can you blame me for listening to my gut instinct?

[Aries]

I want to see a Chupacabra..  after I read all that stuff of it I thought there may be one trying to get my dog in my back yard cause he always acts strange about my back yard, but come to find out he is chassing squrils...
-Aries

[MJ-12]

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[kakkarot]

i'd never heard of a paralysing power of their eyes before. but i'm not "really well versed" on them either ^_^ . i do know that the chupacabra is native to south america (somewhere) so if you'd like to find one you could begin your search there

~kakkarot

[findtruth]

OOOOOOOh. End of the world. Yeah, I'll sit on my front porch and watch, kay? People have been predicting this stuff for ages, what do you think the church was built on... and in some cases, still is. "Repent or perish" or something like that. I just know they always yelled at me when I asked questions. Oh, about the demons... You ever consider they might be like us? Considering the highly developed chi abilities they're supposed to have, I'd say they're older than humans. We've only been around what? Primates, 10 million years, humans 200,000 was it? Oh, and please don't be arrogant. If the apocolypse comes, is it not the war with our fellow humans we need to worry about?[|)]

[Clow]

Humans are bad but Demons are worse. Also Demons are actually probably just like us except stronger, older, and different. I havnt heard of a Chupacabra paralyzing ability. Though it would make scince he has never really been caught but there are so many witnesses. Well all we can really do at this point is wait. Also anybody been seeing alot of stuff in the corner of thier eyes latley.

[acidmax120]

Jeff mash, that didn't make sense. What does make sense is that the mayans may actually be correct.

They may not be exactly correct as in 2012, but its a damn good estimate.
The earths resonance is around was around 7.8 for thousands of years and stable at 7.8 up until 1980s when the resonance changed.

Through the 1990's the earths resonance changed, from 7.8 to around 12 HZ on 2000. July 2003 it was at 12.89

At around 13 HZ the earths core, has a good possibility of not rotating temporarily. This can cause the earth to lose its magnetic field, causing the death of everyone.

Someone hold me, im scared.

[findtruth]

That's interesting, Acidmax120, where did you here that about the earth's resonance?[]And if we all die, why would you be frightened? It would be worse to be one of a handful of survivors on a desolate planet, wouldn't it? Anyway, so I get the 2012 apocolypse thing, where did the demons come into this? Also: in Europe, the nature spirits there were renamed "demons" by the church and called evil.[]

[acidmax120]

quote:Originally posted by findtruth

That's interesting, Acidmax120, where did you here that about the earth's resonance?[]And if we all die, why would you be frightened? It would be worse to be one of a handful of survivors on a desolate planet, wouldn't it? Anyway, so I get the 2012 apocolypse thing, where did the demons come into this? Also: in Europe, the nature spirits there were renamed "demons" by the church and called evil.[]

Hmm demons? Sorry, I dont think demons are involved with 2012, or the end of the world.

In my opinion, I think the collective consciousness of everyone combined causes the end of the world/world problems and disasters.

We think something bad is going to happen and the more people that believe this, are adding to a massive force of belief that may make it so. But anyway its just my opinion.

[findtruth]

So, you're kinda Jungian, huh. Jung believed that it was the collective unconcious of everyone that created the gods, etc., and that by putting our thoughts out into the universe, we could make things happen.[|)]

[Jenadots]

Happy Weekend, everyone.  Last night on coast to coast AM, the guest said the war has already started -- between good and evil angels and fallen angels/demons.  

He claims we are both pawns and the prize at the end of this war - whenever that is.  

Not that this explains much.... I just thought it was interesting that, of all creatures, we end up being somebody's prize.  Oh, goodie, something to really look forward to! [8D]