Challenge to the Astral Projectors

[Faceless]

Im pretty sure Bush knew there were no weapons there, he just wanted that oil...

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I have better things to do while out of body than to get caught up in politics. Plus I am not that skilled yet to actually go find such people.

[Kazbadan]

That´s not politics!And no one gets my idea! The basic idea is to proof, in a different way, that OBE are true and helpful. This is important as an incentive to begginers and t´s important for helping others. And i think too, that if with astral projection you could get Osama, you would be doing something good to the world!

Many times the astral projectors think that such "terran ideas" are not for them, but they forgot something: even if they are in the astral 48h/day they still are being humans in a human body. They still are from this world. SO, i believe that questions that are important to our world (like polution, famine, etc) are very important for the ones that live on them. A true astral projector that reach a great spiritual stage, is not an eremit. An eremit is a beginner. Buda and Jesus were famous because they help everyone in this world, not because they wer wandering in the astral or meditating all the time (of course that is important too).

Do you understand what i mean? In other words, what i pretend it´s to get all the astral projectors in this forum, to use there abilities in some way to help the others, to help the world. Of course that such title in my post ("challenge for astral p) it is only a way to atract more people.

If someone has a better idea for using massive astral projections, i hope that post it here. The world needs help, and astral projectors are not the answer, but still are a good answer.

[Cyberellium]

I think even a standard mental projection is a much more rewarding task.

I would love to hear from anybody who projects there on a regular basis.

[Kazbadan]

That´s not about rewards! I think that the biggest interest in AP it´s help the others. And that is a bigger reward! It is like a budhist tryng to reach the paranirvana just for the feeling!He will never reach it. With the AP i think it´s something similar. The first times you use it your atention you be turned to the feelings, but when you master it, i think that the interest you bi spiritual development. And by spiritual development i understand "reach a state in wich you start to be free from suffering and help otheres reach the same state" (of course this a resumed idea).

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I understand what you meant. But I guess my point was, when I project the last thing on my mind is Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Plus I am not interested in trying to prove that OBEs are real to people who do not want to listen. You just have to find your own proof.

[GoodVibrations]

I've never tried looking for anybody before (well kinda).  Although, a couple years ago My Mother bought a house, I had not yet been there, and on one of my Travels, I wanted to see her, as I hadn't seen her in a couple years.  So I tried, and I went to a house, a house that I had not seen before, although I didn't see my Mom, I had a decent memory of the house, and what the yard looked like, and what not.  I ended up visiting her within a year after this projection, and the house looked very familiar, and from what I remember seeing of it during my projection was the same.  Even the drive way, and the trees, and yard around it was the same.  And just the feeling that I had been there before.  Very Cool![]

As for finding Saddam, I guess its worth a shot, but don't know how it would go.  What am I going to do when I find him, call 000, (or 911)...[]

[jc84corvette]

Do not talk about that political bull excrement on this forum please. Just stick to the topic and throw out that political excrement.

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

I understand what you meant. But I guess my point was, when I project the last thing on my mind is Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Plus I am not interested in trying to prove that OBEs are real to people who do not want to listen. You just have to find your own proof.

Right on! I rather go to Iraq and see how the Military is doing there because I have a HUGE interest in the Army, I will enlist when im 17 by the way!

OBEs are ment for YOUR personal interest I belive. So if you have the desire to hunt those two dickheads down, by all means do it.

[beavis]

The united states deserved his attack. I will not take any action against him.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Thinking about it, isn't the US government offering a lot of money for information leading to the capture of Saddam or bin Laden. Hmm .. Of coarse they would probably wonder how some redneck in the South found out where they were hiding out.

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

The united states deserved his attack. I will not take any action against him.

now why do you say that? are you an anarcist?
A conspiriter?

[travelinbob]

From what I understand, it is pretty easy to find people you have a PERSONAL CONNECTION to. It is not easy to find someone you DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY. I understand remote viewing can be used once you know a location, i.e. coordinates, map images, and address. But trying to find a specific person who does not want to be found might be easier done through conventional methods of inteligence gathering.

Anyway, politics loose their importance when you are looking at REAL BIG PICTURE. I would not waste my time doing this challenge. Their are more important challenges to me where I can spend my hard earned resources.

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

Thinking about it, isn't the US government offering a lot of money for information leading to the capture of Saddam or bin Laden. Hmm .. Of coarse they would probably wonder how some redneck in the South found out where they were hiding out.

LOL! Great point falln!

[beavis]

USA deserved bin ladin's attack because USA invaded his country first.

[Greytraveller]

beavis
Normally I do not flame people for their political or religious beliefs. You, however, have crossed the line of common decency by stating that bin Laden and al-Qaeda were justified in their attacks on America.
I do not know WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS! It is obvious that you are totally full of excrement. Keep your dirty opinions to yourself. Nobody wants to read your CRAP.
Consider this a WARNING. Next tiime I will not be so POLITE.

[goingslow]

If anyone but beavis said that I might be offended.  How can you take the guy seriously.. he rarely makes anysense. In an attempt to be obscure he comes off as a moron and he believes he's on his last life as a human.

How can you take a person like that seriously.  To say there's ever a circumstance where people deserve to die in the way those did.. does that suggest a last life here on earth?  Course from the time he first said he found out he has learned all there is to learn as a human then reading his posts I had a good laugh at the delusions of so many in the world.

[Forgotten Flame 13]

I think beavis is right. It is wrong that we lost so many people, but still, now the USA has figured out, "Hey! These guys mean business!" The security was getting too slack, it's good that we are paying more attention to them. But I'm not saying that the Al-Qaeda was justified.

[goingslow]

I really need to stop getting agitated when people type things that dont make sense.

" I think beavis is right"  when his statement was Al Qaeda was justified because the U.S. attacked first.  But they weren't justified.  Then in what way is he "right"?

Then you say its because security was strengthened.  Wouldnt it make sense to say "although beavis is wrong it is justified.. something good came out of it".

but I also think beavis is right.. read his above statment they were justified.  Because airports are safer.. but I dont agree with his statment.. but he's right.

spins in circles.  come on people..

[Willoc]

I find it very disheartening when I see peolpe talking about politics.  Some people say they want to see Osama dead, some people say they are behind him.  Are they really different people? Or just the same people with different *blind* viewpoints?  The matter of the fact is that none of us know who attacked the WTC or why the US attacked Iraq.  And please, befor you start quoting the news, remember, they are just the news, controlled by another corporation. I mean, even the news the news companies get is usually from the officials... Is it that hard to make something up and put it on paper?

When people stop believing in something so much, they usually see that they actually know nothing and that judgement should be left alone for higher powers.  I'm not saying action shouldn't be taken, but rash and illogical action is not the answer.

War on terrrorism? Does that sound logical? I don't even know where to start.

The whole point here is that the powers of the world are always playing games we cannot see.  Stop fretting about them and live as free a life as you can.  Train yourself for the future an care about whats imporant, not what the media says.  I'm sure that time in astral realms and different forms of conciousness will soon lead to what's really important.  Keep your focus.

[Greytraveller]

Forgotten Flame
beavis believes that al-Qaeda WAS JUSTIFIED. He said that OUTRIGHT in TWO SEPARATE POSTS.
So you have no valid arguement. You are either childish, naive or an idiot to post in support of beavis saying, "I think beavis is right" and then end your same post by disagreeing with beavis.
WTF!
How many people would it have been 'Acceptable' to lose on September 11, 2001[?][?][?][?]
100 dead[?]
1000 dead[?]
5 dead[?]
And for what purpose[?] There was no benefit in becoming more aware of al-Qaeda. Having to fight in Afghanistan (where even more lives were lost) was not a 'benefit'. Neither was the necessity of creating a Department of Homeland Security or was passing the Patriot Act a 'benefit' either.


BTW I would have let beavis (butt head's) first post pass without comment then butthead posted the same thing again. So if any of this is off-topic it is because butthead interjected a series of political comments in a thread about a "Challenge to Astral Projectors."

[beavis]

War sucks. People die. But USA STARTED IT and I do not apologise for my opinion.

[goingslow]

Do you honestly think this is your last incarnation as a human?  I still cant believe that.  Does your statement make any sense to you?

War sucks people die.  Is that what you meant when you stated they were justified?  That war is a terrible thing?  The U.S. started it.  So it ended with some person's father being burned alive.  it wasn't even all americans that died you moron.

It would be a sort of poetic justice if someone important to you was burned alive by a terrorist.  Then someone could state.. "well the U.S. Started it".  

You're an idiot.  Plain and simple.. not because of your "opinion" but theres a time and place and WAY to state that type of thing.  You dont have to take sides on how bad osama is or the U.S. to see how stupid that type of thinking is.  I personally take a different view on it all.. but Im smart enough to know PEOPLE died.. people here might know someone who did.  what right do you have to state your silly comments just to get a rise out of people knowing that?

Ohh yeah.. maybe on my last time around I'll understand that type of insensitivity.

[Faceless]

If Bin Laden had attacked the people that deserved it (like Bush or the CIA) then I would be rooting for him. But he didn't, he killed innocent people that didnt deserve anything which just makes him a murderer.

This gave Bush the perfect opportunity to get the people to think its a good idea for him to invade Iraq, something he couldn't have done without the majority of the publics favor.

[beavis]

goingslow "Do you honestly think this is your last incarnation as a human? I still cant believe that."

Yes,

"War sucks people die. Is that what you meant when you stated they were justified? That war is a terrible thing?"

I meant they were justified because they were acting in SELF DEFENSE. If USA was attacked first by a country with 1000 times more nukes than USA, I doubt you and most other people would have a problem with attacking them.

I prefer nobody kill anybody.

Bin Ladin had a lot more reason to attack us than we did to attack him first. Justified is too strong a word.

IF usa was justified in invading afghanistan, Bin Laden was justified in attacking. I could never convince most people that we were not justified in starting it, or even that we did start it, so I ignored that we were not justified therefore I had to say Bin Ladin was justified to be fair.

"what right do you have to state your silly comments just to get a rise out of people knowing that?"

I didnt say it to get a rise. I'm tired of being told to shut up any time I say anything against USA's actions. Freedom is dead.