Important: Poll on proposed subscription forums

[Phong]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian
...as well as fully recognising the fact (sic) that everyone is on their own individual path, all requiring differing levels of knowledge and experiences, which after all is why we are all here on Earth this time around as is the case during each incarnation; we come to Earth each time for a specific purpose, and the purpose of each person is unique and individual.

These aren't facts.

Instead of bolding, italicizing, or underlining that remark, I will state it again and attempt to make the matter explicit.

These are not facts. They are assumptions. When taken as truth, they become postulates of theosophist pantheism, a very common and pervasive modern religious movement associated with the New Age.

Now, that's not a bad thing. But acting as though they are truths is done so through faith-based interpretations of experience.

There's nothing very wrong with asserting these to others, but, please, do not attempt to establish them as "fact," because A) you might be wrong (and probably are, in my opinion) and B) doing so proliferates the similar cognitive dissonance as when other religions assert their assumptions as truth.

If anyone is interested in starting a discussion in another thread regarding the implications or validity of these statements, please let me know. Whenever I bring this up it seems to go over everyone's head.

[edited for diction]

[Nay]

Well Phong seems like you know all the answers...*sigh*  

quote:If anyone is interested in starting a discussion in another thread regarding the implications or validity of these statements, please let me know. Whenever I bring this up it seems to go over everyone's head.

You just want to argue.  I know lots of people like that, they aren't happy unless they got their little noses all bent out of shape, with a audience to hear them.  It gets very tiresome and boring very quickly, listening to these people.

Nay

[kiauma]

Is everyone on the same path as you Phong??  ROFL - then how can it go ever everyone's head?  If everyone was just like you, THE IMPLICATION IS everyone would understand perfectly.  This is not so - and that is not an assumption.

I leave you to make your own conclusion.  

[LogoRat]

I love you Phong, you complete me.

[mazdaaf]

ive read through all these posts and i believe that everyone makes good points, and i wish i had read through them before voting. If "fluff" posts are such a big problem, how about making a section for posts like "is this an OBE" and such so it would be out of the way of other topics? I know that a lot of the more advanced people wouldnt want to read those, so they wouldnt have to... and for the people who want to help out the newbies can do so.

I think the idea of splitting up the forums can be good becasue it'd be helpful to have a spot which only contains information that more advanced people could respond and give their ideas. However, i agree with a lot of people when i say i dont think paying is a good idea. As a few have said before, i would pay if i could. My parents dont like me doing this stuff and i know for a fact they wouldnt let me pay for it with their account (im 15 also so i cant get my own yet). Just becasue you are under the age of 18 doesnt mean that you arent as advanced or mature as the others. I like the idea of having people be invited/ask permition to be able to use them, because then everyone who wants to use them can be checked by the mods to make sure they arent going to just be putting fluff stuff in the advanced forums.
I also agree that they should be viewable for everyone. Even though i wasnt there when the forums first started, i have loved this place and i hope whatever changes there will be will be for the better.

~*~ Mazdaaf ~*~

[Pyrodap]

i dont like this idea... mainly because there is no way that i could convince my dad to spend 10 bucks a month on something he doesnt know exists. and if this idea goes through - which it probably will - a lot of the people will leave the so called "free forum" reducing it to a place where nobody knows anything, and everyone gives stupid, cheesey useless advice!! All in all, i think this is JUST a way for the supreme dieties of this forum to make few bucks - not that they dont deserve it! but rather then choosing who could join based on if you actually have money, i think senor members of this site should vote on possible candidates of people to be accepted. i dont want to get left in the dust, and i dont think the people who are rather experienced but dont have an extra $10 dollars to spend want to either. (btw if something like this has already been said, i didnt see it - i'm not gunna read through 8 pages!)

[Nay]

quote:mainly because there is no way that i could convince my dad to spend 10 bucks a month on something he doesnt know exists.

Ok..one more time folks..it is 10 dollars a YEAR.

Nay

[oman34mi]

I clicked on View Results and now it won't let me vote!

[daem0n]

ok when we can expect results, decisions, maybe a new pool with more options like:
new forums opened to viewing y/n,
payment y/n,
invitation only y/n
ruthless fluff moderation y/n
hall of shame y/n
you get it ...

[ralphm]

I don't know what to say, on the one hand the forums are so big that I only have time to check out a couple on a regular basis, sometimes the same questions keep getting asked over and over(which I will answer if I feel like I can contribute something), people do seem to leave after a while, i'm not really sure why, but it would be nice to have serious people stick around.
Maybe the moderators could create a topic for people to state what they want from this forum?
I always thought that this forum was associated with Robert Bruce? Is he no longer a part?
One other thought- what if people could hang around free for 6 months or 6 weeks then they would have to join?

[Sygmoral]

• About everyone agrees that the new forum should be visible to all. So I suggest you don't comment on this except if you think it should NOT be visible to all...


• The 10 dollars (per year) is just an 'example' - this is not at all a definitive amount yet, it is not even certain that you would indeed have to pay. Perhaps it will be a one-time fee, who knows. Whatsoever, it would be affordable to all; the only problem seems to be that some people simply can't pay online.


• If you can not vote on this forum, then that is because you took a look at the results already... if you do that, you vote anonymously.

About the payment: actually everyone can pay. Really. If you can't pay online, just send well concealed cash in an enveloppe. It's not at all the nicest way, but it works. And if the admin's don't agree with this - I'll pay for you with my PayPal account, and then just send the cash to me


About the 'invite only' idea: it seems many people don't like this idea, while some others do. But what I meant: I have some 'vision' about these forums really becoming some kind of academy, you know. It has the potential! This forum is already a great learning centre, but the thing that differs it from my view as an 'Academy' is that it is not 'organised' enough anymore, because it got too big. My proposal is therefore to have 'teachers' and 'students', ... I really mean this! (but with other titles of course)
Currently there are more than 5000 'equal' members all chatting through each other. Okay, "everyone is equal" and stuff, but you can't ignore the fact (yes) that some people are more experienced than others.
I think it could much improve the experience of everyone here. And in my view, the 'new forum' was a forum for teachers only, but it seems many people don't like that idea. However, like in a university or something, the professors can talk about their complicated matters that students may have a hard time even understanding. And, they also come to gather with the students to help them in their way to a higher level of understanding. One day, such a student can seem to become so great in understanding that he can be considered a 'professor/teacher'.

However, students are supposed to pay for the lessons that teachers give.. I mean - teachers shouldn't have to pay to help others.



It probably sound somewhat weird, but I hope you get the idea. I think it would be really nice.

Sygmoral

[Kazbadan]

I speaked with Adrian in PM and he agrees that i will be the guy charged for the money. So, you can start sending me money into my account.


Oh, and the price it is much more cheaper: 3 dolars.

btw, you must pay that quantity every month.

Start sending the money or myself will shutdown the entire AP forum, because without money we cannot work well.


Ok,ok, it´s now that Adrian will send a serial-killer to my house....damn it, let me run out of here!

[Cezyl]

I'm open to checking it out. As I understand it, everything here will remain the same, and IN ADDITION TO what is here there will be a highly focused pay addition. I'm up for checking it out. It may make for a truly more focused and progressive avenue to interact in.

Thanks for the poll.

Cezyl

[SoulDragon]

Well, Jaclyn on pg 1 pretty much summed up my thoughts. I'll bet that there are a lot of serious, mature teenagers who are... well... don't like to talk about this to adults.I know if I had to pay I wouldn't, because of this, and then the majority of the other members would be in a "deeper discussion." The other boards would be almost dry of people to talk to. I know then I would leave this and have too look for another site like this, which would take a long time. Thank you for your time

Never more

[Nay]

quote:Originally posted by SoulDragon

Well, Jaclyn on pg 1 pretty much summed up my thoughts. I'll bet that there are a lot of serious, mature teenagers who are... well... don't like to talk about this to adults.I know if I had to pay I wouldn't, because of this, and then the majority of the other members would be in a "deeper discussion." The other boards would be almost dry of people to talk to. I know then I would leave this and have too look for another site like this, which would take a long time. Thank you for your time

Never more

I've looked and looked and can't find your opinions on page one, darnit! and this adds to my confusion.  

I will wait till I'm not confused to comment.[^]

Nay

[SoulDragon]

Sorry you're confused, Nay. It was not my post that I talked about, but Jaclyn's, and it may have been on page 2.[]

Man, this thread is busy.


Never more

[SoulDragon]

Oops,
Lola beat me 2 it.[]

[Nay]

LOL...I must be nuts, because I just can't find the Quote from Runlola...[]

I've searched every page...grrrrrrrr..now I need to check it again because of my compulsive nature.[] ok..checked it three times..I can't find your original post.  What the heck is going on?  Am I ummmmmmm.. a few beers short of a six pack or what?

Interesting that Runlola understood your post and helped back it up, but why is the question?....(for me anyways)

Nay

[Nay]

quote:don't see why it's so confusing, Souldragon was
talking about Jaclyn's post on page one.

Hmmmm.see normally I wouldn't care, but ummmmmmm...can you show these posts?

Or are you saying that we should take your word for it?  I'm am sooooooo confused. *insert little confused eyes*  Souldragon is now taking his OWN post for someone elses??.. he is saying that is words were done by another person, thus misleading the populous to think they were is own posts?..

As you have heard, I'm confused...please straighten this out for me.  So Jaclyns post, were what you were commenting on,......lol.....Am I right?

Nope, I don't feel I got that right, let me try again....

You KNOW what Souldragon means when he/she post?  Why is this?  

Nay

P.S.. omg, I hope someone knows what I'm saying...

[Mystic Man]

I find the $10.00/year nothing considering the information available and what it does for you.   After reading the available articles and after going through Mr. Bruce's works, it is completely okay for me!  []

Mystic Man

[Nay]

LOL..still doesn't make sense that he took this to be his own thoughts..... I mean, REALLY, whom would have known?  According to his and your posts, WE should have KNOWN, that he was the one questioning.  I'm still confused..(call it a affliction) but that is what I am..... still confused.

Why are you the one chosen to uphold his shoulders?  Why are you the one to defend is ..ummmmmmmmmmmmm...defiance?    Why?

Nay

[Nay]

LOL..noooooooo, I think that is totally right, but if you could just SHOW me these posts, I ummmmmmmm..might shut up..[]

It really can't be that hard, you either show me what a bafoon I've been, or you shine in the light..it's that easy.[^]

Nay

[Boris]

I don't see insufficient focus as a problem in the present setup.
That is, most of the posts seem to be on the designated topic.
If there is not enough from the advanced people, it is because
they just don't post that often. They have been through a lot of this
already. But they do post when something gets their attention.
We like to hear from the advanced, but may have to wait for them to
become articulate. I would not expect that restricting things a little
would make them more articulate.

[Nay]

To be honest.....I have NO idea as to of what you just said...

I imagine it was great, and  filled with...............stuff.


Stuff is great..if it means something.

Nay

[clandestino]

quote:LOL..noooooooo, I think that is totally right, but if you could just SHOW me these posts, I ummmmmmmm..might shut up.

hee hee.....read the 15th post on page 1.

There you go !! []

Nay's had a few too many cups of coffee tonight i reckon.... !!!

Off to the gym now. Have a good one, folks!
Mark