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Anonymous · October 20, 2003, 15:48:39

I think sex is seen as being wrong because of the social conditioning of our society. That's just my opinion. I think it's really a choice thing. They say that one out of five americans suffers from some mental disorder. Ouch! What a crazy country we live in! I think this arises from our social views. I think if we're going to question whether it is wrong or not, we need to look at every society and every country and subculture of people. Personally I defend the freedom of choice to have sex before marriage, as I do not see anything wrong with it and I think people can learn a lot from it. However I have nothing against anyone who wants to save their virginity for the right person. I know people who are doing this and it is working great for them.

Anonymous · October 20, 2003, 15:50:19

By the way, I also acknolwedge the fact that despite premarital sex being seen as wrong, our society still promotes it.

Lilith · October 20, 2003, 16:35:59

Thank you jc84corvette... I honestly believe that communication can solve a great deal of our current problems, it's a great thing.

From my own experiences, there's no one single answer to the who/what/when/how questions.

I've been in the same monogamous relationship for 25 years, the value of a sharing, loving, sexual relationship simply cannot be understated, and especially the Spiritual aspects of such.
However, in my wild and reckless youth, before my vows, I slept with whom I pleased, by mutual consent of course.
Thus, I know that it is possible to share as little or as much of your Self as you choose during sex... and that without the sharing of Self, you're basically practicing mutual masturbation with penetration.

The physical stimulation is there, without a doubt, and even if that's all that's being stimulated, it's fun.
If Spirit is involved... that goes well beyond fun and into the realm of ecstasy - in a mutual relationship, of course. If it ain't mutual, great Spiritual damage can be done I'm sure - although never having tried it, I can't say absolutely.

My kids, as my siblings and I before them, were interested in the novelty of it all, and regardless of my efforts were at least partially suckered in by the prevalent societal mores, I had to get them to stop and really think about a lot of stuff they would just habitually take for granted.

I did my best to teach them to keep safe, and part of that was in that sex can be fun, sex can be great, but it takes a partnership to make it great and it takes maturity to make it really satisfying.
They thought about it, they experimented - safely and with my blessing - found out I was right, and were very very choosy about who they shared themselves with.
Now they're grown up, two are in very good long term relationships, and the third is very happy with her cat, for the time being.

I also know several people who are in polyandrous (sp?) and they and their partners seem quite satisfied with that particular lifestyle... although i do beleive that an extra level of maturity and superior communication skills is required for that.

In any case, if you're going to practice sex, practice safe sex, on all levels.

jc84corvette · October 20, 2003, 19:53:43

Very nicley said! Practice sex saftley!

As a teen, with raging hormones and all, I can say I get my "times" when I would do any attractive girl. That is just normal for teens, especialy males!

I agree that sex with some one you love will result in a greater time.

I myself, a virgin, would want my first time to be magical. Not with some prostitute. I would want it to be with a girl in witch our love relationship is very serious and we know that our sexual intercourse would be fun, magical, and very romantic. [^]

WalkerInTheWoods · October 21, 2003, 06:07:30

Knowledge is power.

I think it is foolish to just tell people to not have sex until marriage and leave it at that. I also believe in free choice, but how is one to truly make a good choice for oneself if they do not have the knowledge about it? Education is the key. People have to be willing to look beyond the taboo and get the real facts. I also think that society needs to look beyond the taboo of masterbation [:O] and accept it as part of natural sexual exploration. Not only is it important in exploring your own sexuality (because if you do not know how to please yourself, how do you expect someone else too??) it can really help deal with those raging hormones during teen years when hormones speak much louder than any logical brain.

Lilith · October 21, 2003, 09:24:46

It is a fact, if masturbation were accepted as appropriate and normal, we wouldn't have near the troubles we do.

Nagual · October 21, 2003, 12:55:09

I heard many times that masturbation was good/needed (if no partner) for the prostate or something to stay healthy... Does anyone know anything about it...?

jc84corvette · October 21, 2003, 13:16:57

Yes thats true. Masterbation is needed if you do not have a partner to have intercourse with. It keeps the sperm healthy and refreshed, something like that.

jc84corvette · October 21, 2003, 13:25:42

quote:
Originally posted by fallnangel77

Knowledge is power.

I think it is foolish to just tell people to not have sex until marriage and leave it at that. I also believe in free choice, but how is one to truly make a good choice for oneself if they do not have the knowledge about it? Education is the key. People have to be willing to look beyond the taboo and get the real facts. I also think that society needs to look beyond the taboo of masterbation [:O] and accept it as part of natural sexual exploration. Not only is it important in exploring your own sexuality (because if you do not know how to please yourself, how do you expect someone else too??) it can really help deal with those raging hormones during teen years when hormones speak much louder than any logical brain.

Very nicley said!

I tell you the truth, about 98% of male teens masterbate but they do not tell it. But any teen will take head or sex over wanking with them selfes righ? I sure would.

I think that no sex untill marriage thing has gone to far. I disagree with that all the way!

WalkerInTheWoods · October 21, 2003, 14:05:04

quote:
Originally posted by Nagual

I heard many times that masturbation was good/needed (if no partner) for the prostate or something to stay healthy... Does anyone know anything about it...?

I have read about this as well, but I do not remember the actual scientific facts. Also it kind of depends on which side you get your information. The scientific and the Tantric/Taoist views are a bit different, but both agree that using the prostate helps. Doing a search on the net might get you some information.

I think it falls into the use or loose it category. Most if not all body parts seem to.

Anonymous · October 21, 2003, 14:40:46

Americans overdo everything.

jc84corvette · October 21, 2003, 14:44:43

quote:
Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:
Originally posted by Nagual

I heard many times that masturbation was good/needed (if no partner) for the prostate or something to stay healthy... Does anyone know anything about it...?

I have read about this as well, but I do not remember the actual scientific facts. Also it kind of depends on which side you get your information. The scientific and the Tantric/Taoist views are a bit different, but both agree that using the prostate helps. Doing a search on the net might get you some information.

I think it falls into the use or loose it category. Most if not all body parts seem to.

I will look online now

Fat_Turkey · October 22, 2003, 01:32:06

Something said on page 2 just made me realise why I have been lamenting my relationship with my ex for so long.

It was something about spiritual damage being done if you share too much of your Self or Spirit or whatever. Basically meaning that if you think you love somebody (infatuation) and have sex with them than it can deal a lot of damage because the "love" simply was not true.

Precisely what happened to me. In fact, I can never trust myself or another girl in a relationship for a long time.

Moving on, I honestly don't think that a lot of you people have a lot of insight into the "subsociety" of teens. I am one. I live in this sheeplike gangle of hormone crazed idiots almost every day. The reason girls have condoms in their wallets but not the guys? Because the girls are hornier than the guys half the time. I just want to get on with my life, build a future. They just want to go around screwing people.

It may surprise you to know this, but women would want to have sex just as much as the average man. And an average man is not a horny bastard with no respect for women. That just happens to be the man that a lot of (stupid) women go for and then complain and whine about for hours on end afterwards. Vice Versa for the men. They go for skanks, they complain about skanks. Stereotypes = the stupids.

For some reason, a lot of girls I know think that they have to lose their virginity to become a woman. Well, if in ancient tribes and even today, a boy became a man when he matured...that is, he became wise, learned to hunt, learned to think on the spot, and learned to fight...then why not women? Of course, most women would not want to learn how to hunt or fight these days...what's the point? But the maturity and wisdom remain a prime factor. I don't see anybody becoming another Dalai Llama or Jesus after humping somebody for the first time now do I.

I'm not sure if anything I just said had a point. Tends to happen when I write stuff for a while.

Later
~FT

Nagual · October 22, 2003, 04:11:25

First, for your information, all adults have been teens too... [

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Second, you have a really negative opinion of girls...
It's funny because, from my point of view, it's more the opposite...
You are 14 years old; and I really doubt that all 14 years old girls carry condoms in their wallets!!! How many girlfriends did you have to get so upset about them...? What happened to you?
Maybe we should force women to stay at home and cook and clean? Force them to hide their bodies to avoid tempting other men...?
Most of my girl friends are very nice persons...
Man... you scare/sadden me... [V]
By the way, I am a man...

shaman · October 22, 2003, 09:10:26

Eh Nagual

La Femme est l'avenir de L'Homme

(Aragon)

Je suis entierement d'accord avec toi...

Jenadots · October 22, 2003, 15:35:24

If the girls really are carrying condoms it is because they get pregnant and boys don't. They should carry them if they are sexually active. Also, sometimes girls don't exhibit outwards signs of disease the way boys might and they don't know if they have an STD or not.

Maybe it just means they are getting smarter even if they have not yet learned the word NO or the loneliness of empty sex. It is unfortunate that too many of them will learn that at such a tender age.

jc84corvette · October 22, 2003, 16:28:17

Nagual was that reply directed toward me?

Lilith · October 22, 2003, 19:41:13

ahh.. Fat Turkey, you're partly right... but only partly.
I would say that the damage you suffered kinda slanted your perspective, perhaps.
I'm sorry for your pain, I can empathise.
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I was fortunate to have my eldest kids at a time in my life that I could still remember my teens, we adopted them when they were 12 and 13, and the oldest was born when I was 15 - there is an upside to being a young parent, sometimes... but it's a dam hard job as a single teen mother - or father, but it's usually the girl that gets stuck holding the bag, better that she has a condom in her purse.

The reasons mentioned for girls to be carrying condoms already mentioned are good ones - plus the fact that girls do mature faster than boys, and that doesn't really even out until adult-hood.

Another is something you're probably not aware of, still pertinent to this society as I see it and goes back to a saying from my teen years, "girls **** for love, and boys love to ****.
Crude, yes, and please remember that it's just a truism that relates to just enough of the population to make it valid, but not everyone.
What it means is, girls more often than not relate sex with emotional attachment - love - and will have sex in order to extend their emotional intimacy into the physical realm, and the belief that their feelings will be returned during the act. They have sex in order to prove their love, and to prove they are loved.

Unfortunately, Fat Turkey, a lot of girls do believe by the time they hit their mid-teens that maturity comes with loss of virginity... but perhaps that's because we're told that sex is only for grown-ups, that sex is only for married people, marriage is an adult relationship, they're too young to even know what "real" love is.

I think I know enough about human nature (if not about current teen sub-culture, though I do try for the sake of my kids) to know that telling someone they aren't good enough and can't have something is a good way to get them to try to get it anyhow, if only to see what the big deal is.

And then there's the hormone thing.
hormones cannot ever be under-rated, they can make people go squirrely and change their thought patterns, mildy stated.
Teens are not in control of their hormones, and in fact the surges that males go through would be extremely difficult for an experienced adult male to handle, let alone the teen novice.

In older cultures, girls attained adult status too, by proving their maturity and throwing off the ways of childhood.
However, in many many of those cultures, sexuality was not an ownership thing as it's become in this day and age, sex was just sex, and virginity wasn't a way to gauge purity or worth.

Anyhow... there's a few more thoughts to stir the pot.
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Lilith · October 22, 2003, 20:17:01

... and another bit;
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1479852/20031021/spears_britney.jhtml?headlines=true

and another;
http://tv.oneworld.net/tapestry?article=33

WalkerInTheWoods · October 23, 2003, 04:48:54

quote:
Another is something you're probably not aware of, still pertinent to this society as I see it and goes back to a saying from my teen years, "girls **** for love, and boys love to ****. Crude, yes, and please remember that it's just a truism that relates to just enough of the population to make it valid, but not everyone.

Stereotype but you may be right that it appears on the surface enough to seem valid, but it is not an overwhelming majority.

quote:

What it means is, girls more often than not relate sex with emotional attachment - love - and will have sex in order to extend their emotional intimacy into the physical realm, and the belief that their feelings will be returned during the act. They have sex in order to prove their love, and to prove they are loved.

But I think that ultimately both men and women do this, have sex for love, companionship, and to feel loved and accepted whether they know it consciously or not. The difference is that women tend to be more in touch with their emotions whereas men tend to ignore them until they are forced to deal with them, which I think is more a product of society than genes. If it were only about pleasure, well one can pleasure oneself, why the need for another person?

Lilith · October 23, 2003, 09:31:16

Aye, I meant to make it clear that it doesn't describe all, sorry if it was ambiguous.
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Yes, I agree both sexes will look for emotional intimacy through physical intimacy - please note that I was talking about boys and girls, not men and women.
Those teen years are a time for maturing.
Once they get there, things are more even and balanced (as well as can be balanced, at any rate), but until then they are in hormonal flux and needing experience to compel that maturity.
Which is also why "just say no" works so poorly in cutting the kids off experimentation.

I agree that a partner adds emotional content that masturbation can't have, there is also an element of unknown that incites awareness and anticipation.
And there's still the plain old animal lust to procreate to be considered.
We can analyze this to death (which I sometimes have a tendency to do, in case ye hadn't noticed [

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WalkerInTheWoods · October 23, 2003, 10:22:33

quote:
Originally posted by Lilith

Aye, I meant to make it clear that it doesn't describe all, sorry if it was ambiguous.

Not really, I just wished to reaffirm it.

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Yes, I agree both sexes will look for emotional intimacy through physical intimacy - please note that I was talking about boys and girls, not men and women.

Ah, then it that case yes it probably is more accurate.

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And there's still the plain old animal lust to procreate to be considered.
We can analyze this to death (which I sometimes have a tendency to do, in case ye hadn't noticed []), but we are still animals with built-in urges to continue the species, thus sex with another person is a built-in desire.

You have a point, which both probably need to be taken together instead of separate since that is how we exist. Physically we have the desire to procreate while at the same time we wish to connect with another human and be loved.

Teen years are such a confusing and frustrating time. I would not want to do it again. You teens have my sympathy.

Lilith · October 23, 2003, 11:06:46

And mine.
Heart-felt.

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