To The Rise To Action And James Please Read..This

[James S]

1Zenryoku,

CHILL OUT!!!!
Go back and read Ingumas post again - here's one of the more important bits -

quote:I think you are missing quite a big point - this is a place for real spiritual discussion. If you base your beliefs on DBZ then you're going straight up the wrong street - and generally these people wont listen othewise. So you have lots of people talking about a load of things that are simply not based in the real world....not a good thing. Now, I'm not saying it is not possible to fly, create balls of energy etc, but I see little evidence that anyone here is an incarnated deity (avatar), so perhaps its best to concentrate on whats actually possible? Further, chances are you're not going to scare any demons of any sort with this stuff. Even if it was real - the average teen blessed with that sort of power would do more harm than good.
So there are a lot of people who want to talk about this stuff "out there" - what do you do if they start significantly changing the forum decor? ...

He's NOT telling you what you should or should not believe unless you DO believe that DBZ is real. If this is the case you are on the wrong website! Here, we don't! If you wan't a good reason why we think this, read Kakkarots post in this topic -
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9874

As for proof, the only time you'll find people demand proof is when you put across some belief as being THE TRUTH, that EVERYONE must listen to.

Now, once more, and calmly, I would ask that all these arguments that have sprung over who believes what and who's upset who be dropped here and now. If not I will lock the topic. Ok, I've given a warning now. Fair enough?

James.

[APGuy]

quote:Originally posted by 1Zenryoku


so how do I know that all that stuff about astral projection isn't fantasy,  what facts do you have to back it up huh....  

From my understanding the Monroe Institute conducted thousands of experiments where a person who said they could leave their body would be put in a room and told to do so.  They would then go to the room next to them or a hidden area in their room where an eight digit number was put.  They'll then come back and tell the scientists the number.  Mind you tens of thousands were most likely conducted with a couple thousand successes.  But still eight digits would mean that there would have to be something going on with those statistics.  Besides noone can project 100% of the time.
Oh and in case you didn't know these were scientific studies conducted by Monroe not just tests.  And yes Monroe was a respected person before and after he started having spontaneous OBEs.  I believe he was a psychiatrist before the OBE and became more of a scientist afterwards.  
Please correct me if I got his original profession wrong.  Just figured I'd tell you, 1Zenryoku, that OBEs are by far, thanks to the Monroe Institute, the furthest studied psychic phenomena.[|)]

[GothicDragonX]

Okay people I'm back.I don't care  about any fights among the moderator and the members.In my opinion the moderator made a huge mistake,but oh well.WHat I'm here to say is,is that if anyone who still wants to join in my "Rise to Action".Please send me info about you,and I will answer any questions you want to ask.I need all the help I can get.

[Nay]

Gothic, I deleted the other two exact same posts as this one.  No need to shove it down peoples throats, unless you think they don't have enough smarts to see or understand it the first time...

Nay

[xander]

Ok gothicdragon, I'll bite. What is this "rise to action"? If its about fighting demons then I really wish you would reconsider. Not all demons are evil and a few can be really good freinds.

Now while I have assisted a few uniquely gifted people in permanently closing a portal to a hell dimension I have to state that I do not think you are fully aware of teh dangers inherent upon embarking upon a project that massive. Evil often regards people who do good as mosquitos to be ignored, however, if you make a target of yourself you will no doubt have the full force of darkness upon you. They don't need to eat or sleep. It will be very hard for you to stay aware for long before you need sleep. And the stress of knowing what they can do can kill you let alone any actual demons who attempt to disembowel you.

When I and the others went for a full blown assault upon the hellmouth many people were slaughtered adn I along with the other survivors barely escaped. Now we are a target, no matter where we go or what we do we are always looking over our shoulder for the next Turok-Han or demon that decides to attack.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go help andrew open a jar.

Xander

[wantsumrice]

Why would you specifically make a movement against demons?  Why even put so much thought into demons?  Hell, i dont think i've ever even put an ounce of thought into this demon buisness...know why?  Because it's not worth the time.  There are much more important things you should be focusing on, like life, and not demons...

Xander...I really have no idea what to think about what you said.  So you closed a portal to hell...and you survived, yet others died?  Explain, what is this "hell" you are referring to?  

~ivan

PS: xander, self-flatter is the weakest thing one can do...so don't flatter yourself...lol

[xander]

ROFLMAO!! Ivan, I was being anything BUT serious. If some here think the DBZ world is real then the Buffy the Vampire Slayer world can be real too.

*whispers to Buffy figurine* Ivan thought I was serious!
*rolls eyes* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAA!!!! *falls off chair*

Xander

[wantsumrice]

[^]Good , you can't really tell who's serious and who isnt these days...
~ivan

[1Zenryoku]

I will respect the moderators wishes and leave this post as is for now....... I Think there should be one place where we can talk about what we believe though; not a freakin reqruitment station either, just a place to talk about training stratagies and ways to prevent 2012, or just some "HELPFUL" information. I am going to start a new post anyone who reads this please, DO NOT MAKE ANOTHER THREAD RELATING TO THIS TOPIC!!!!! It will probably get mine and yours deleted, AND KEEP YOUR DISCUSSION IN THE THREAD NO WHERE ELSE; AND BE NICE!!!!!!!!

[1Zenryoku]

This should be the place please obey the rules...
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9931

[SpectralDragon]

I think people should seriously think about looking at this topic=
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6531

People I believe that unless someone personally insults you on purpose there should be no reason to get angry. We are all here to learn and debate, so we ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BELIEFS, ECT. IF your beliefs clash it is good to argue politely with people to try to understand why. This is called learning. I know it's hard to think "oh this guy posted something that looks like absolute bullsh".... but if I step back for a sec and THINK before I say that maybe I can see why, and if not ask him to show his reasons.

Speaking of reason's if more people showed thier thinking processes more than these personal feelings would lesson quite a bit don't you think? That way you can see where the peoople are coming from and we can all learn from it instead of arguing.

Just my thoughts on this.

And about the DBZ stuff... I have seen forums overrun with this kind of thing. I can understand the mods view on this. Many people in other forums try to Force thier beliefs on others. This is seen as such because at one point these people did not post here. When they did everyone else took it as an "invasion." Here is what I mean:

Astral1: Do you think it's possible to be able to see what's going on in area 51 with AP'ing?
Astral2: I don't know but we could try it out and see.
DBZer1:  Why don't we just teleport there?
Astral1&2:...........where did this guy come from?

I am not saying who is wrong or right but that we should try to understand the perspective of each or simply make a thread for the two sides to debate (politely, as described in above,) and bring this to a close before it goes out of control. (as is already starting to.[])

I am sorry if I seem like I want to have this solved right away or if I seem big headed in any way but this is one of the nicest forums I have seen and I don't want to see people reverting to what I have seen on other forums. I have been in Qigong forums where DBZers and traditionalist absolutely did not try to understand the other viewpoint and ruined the board. I am not kidding when I say that ALL FORUMS EVENTUALLY WENT DEAD AND CLOSED UP. I am not trying to scare anyone there, but I am saying that I believe we are smart enough as a group here to get along with the other side and respect thier beliefs, or try to as best we can.

[xander]

I agree. I myself am a big fan of Buffy and other such shows but I would NEVER think of imposing that fictional reality on this non-fictional place where we are studying genuine metaphysical phenomena.

There's plenty of other forums for stuff like that, one doesn't need to convert other forums out of selfishness.

I thought James acted maturely and so did the other moderators.

Xander

[markperson]

Well i will train. It wont be my life. But i would rather use a part of my life for training rather than loose all my life by getting killed by a demon. And it is my opinion that the demon war will not happen for sure but will probably happen. like 79% happen 21% not happen. and im not going to train from a website im going to train my way which has worked pretty well so far. So that is what i have to say.And one more thing (TACO TACO TACO BURITO) to quote Eric Cartman's hand as Jennifer Lopez.

[1Zenryoku]

Okay I would like to step in now... I am new okay and I hope I don't kicked off because this is my fav site....  HERE GOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Both James and the people under the post acted rashly and immature.  Okay James should have given a better reason but then again don't try to recruit people and don't force your beliefs on others; a belief is exactly what it says it is, an opinion.  People get emotional about beliefs and will fight for them I sorta have my own but I just say them at then let it go, if there are questions I answer them. (politely) I do not yell (or I try not to) In my opinion James should have not locked the post without a warning to calm down and take it easy.  But the topic did get very heated I respect James posistion and know it takes alot of work and restraint.  Also you think should not flame people for their beliefs (everyone) just because you dissagree does not mean you should get mad and do something uncalled for I have my beliefs about 2012 but I just say here is my belief take it or leave it, I don't tell other people they are stupid and childish for their beliefs.  I have stated my opininon and I hope that we can all just move past this issue.  I appreiciate all the people that take the time read this and take some of this to heart; if you don't like what I have said I apologize if I have offended you in any way. I do not defend either party.  Thank you...