Suicide

[no_leaf_clover]

I would say the problem is not maintaining a healthy social life. I have the same problems at times. If a person doesn't maintain some friends and go out enough, they'll go insane/manically depressed. Humans are social creatures, after all.

[Kazbadan]

Read again my tips. Use them. Use what Runlola said to you.

have a pet, pratice exercise, try to have more friends...

Speak with your parents if you have a healthy relationship with them. Maybe one go to the psic. doc. can be good.

About creating friends: try fo find a group a little different from you. Probably you are shy. What you need it sto find an healthy group of happy guys. Guys that pratice sport or that have a great way to deal with things. Your friends must be happy people. Thats the main rule. WIth my friends we are always playing with each other, telling jokes, saying funny things, doing nice things together (beach, soccer, bike, etc)...

Really avoid groups that can make you even sad. I´ve been there in my teen years. It was me and my friend against the world. YOu dont want too be against it, just living it. Its your home.

Why dont you join the scouts or a group/actvities, etc that its always on nature, doing camping? Thats very health too.

Just avoid that state of "i am weak". Dont forget to study some NLP (read my post in this thread on 1st page).

My 2 cents.

bye

[OrionsDream]

Runlola had the best point i've seen here yet.
Let go, relax, and enjoy nature.

Nature is one thing that has no ties to any illuminati agenda, and there is no conditioning or trap in the chirping of birds.

Walking in the park is not helping the illuminati. You are not walking in one of 'their facilities' by doing that. You are listening to children laugh (so what if they are ignorant, their laugh comes from the heart, without strings attached) and lifting spirits.

Forget about all things bad, just for a short while. Then you will be able to sort out those bad things in a managable way.

[Kazbadan]

btw, dont drink any alchool, dont smoke and dont use any drugs. That will amplify lots of ties your depression

Eat fruits and vegetables and drink water, lots of water.

Doing all the small tips we gave to you you will be better.

[Astir]

Until you're an adult you cannot have ultimate control over you're life. And because of that, it's common for teens to feel similar to the way you do. Hormones will distort much, they can be a rush...as I remember. Hang in there. Committing suicide is weak. You seem very intelligent for your age, far too intelligent to fall victim to yourself.

[Syke]

yeah heter dont worry, life can be great.
If you're not in to nature (which it sounds you're not and most teens arent) then create something.

Give yourself a project, like to keep myself busy i write music, work on art and coding for an online multiplayer game im developing, write stories.
Or even physically build something outside, that'll give you something to do, and a sense of achievement when you're done.

The illuminati may control politics, royal families, the media, and just about everything... but they dont control individuals.

Get a small group of individuals together and start something new... anything... open peoples minds to the illuminati (WITHOUT PREACHING!!!!) and just have fun.

-Syke

[Heather B.]

I've become something of an unwilling expert on depression, including suicidal thoughts and feelings.  

Right now, I am trying to cope with life's greatest sorrow--I'm a 28-year-old widow.  Until 2 months ago, I was looking forward to a long, bright future with the most wonderful man on Earth, a man I felt was made just for me.  Well, that future is no more.  It has ended before it began.  And now I feel like I have a good 50+ years of "Why the hell am I here, and what the hell do I do now?!" ahead of me.  I feel like I'm stumbling through the dark.  Everything is a big unknown.  I fear life the way most people fear death.

I often think about dying now.  I don't have "active" suicidal tendancies, but I do have "passive" ones.  I drive a bit more recklessly.  I'm tempted not to wear my seatbelt.  I'm not afraid to walk in lightning storms any more.  And if someone confronted me with a gun or a knife, I'd tell them to $@!% themself because they can't hurt me any more than I'm already hurting.  If, Heaven forbid, terrorists ever started something in my city, $@!% them too--I'd chase the bastards down and give them their comeuppances, or else die trying.  I'm not afraid of anything or anyone any more.  In a way, that's good, but in a way, it's also self-destructive.

Honestly, there's only one thing that is sure to keep me alive, and that is the fear that suicide will sentence me to Hell.  And that I will be separated from my beloved for eternity.  

Now, I should say that I don't always feel this low.  It's really a huge roller coaster.  It doesn't head downward forever.  And I think I can say with some authority that it won't keep heading down forever, for you either, nor for any of us.  It has to get better, because no one can live for long with such suffering.

My advice:

1.  See a doctor.  Any doctor.  These days, they all know something about how to treat depression and anxiety.

2.  Spend some time outside.  I know it sounds corny, but it may help more than you think.  For me, it provides an immediate high.  Maybe not a huge high, but enough to help me get through another hour.  

3.  Accept that sometimes, you might have to just take one hour, or even one minute, at a time.  Don't worry about tomorrow, or even all day today.

4.  While you're here in these forums, give your mind something to gnaw on!  Learn how to phase or something!  Life is a lot more bearable when you can experience the universe that is much greater than the here and now.  And you know, you don't have to die in order to do it!

5.  Treat yourself to something special and indulgent.  For me, one evening each week, I eat nothing but sushi and doughtnuts (not together at the same time!).  That may sound gross to some of you, but those are my all-time favorite slightly decadent treats.

[.Rachel.]

I have suffered from depression in the past, and yes i have had suicidal tendencies. I am happy to say i am largely past this, which i am very thankful for now, i am also thankful i stayed here. When the only option seems to be death its hard to look else where. The advice here is good, absorbing yourself in nature is wonderful and a good thing to do, very grounding indeed and brings life into perspective. If you are angry, then all these replies will bug you even more and probably infuse your mood, i know they would of me, this doesn't demean the advice however. Equally all these assumptions of how you are feeling will undoubtedly get to you, i just did it then. I can't say more constructive advise than the others have said, get involved in nature, take walks, go out, talk to people if you are not very social ( I know it can be hard to strike up conversation) then the Internet is the next best thing, forums and forums full of people, whats better for communication if you are shy? what has been said in the replies here is very sound and will work to your advantage if you choose to take it.

[Kazbadan]

btw, when i gave my tips they were based on myself experience...not simple theory.

Almost Mrs. Murphy: what happened to you? to your relationship? it just ended with no reason? i feel compassion for you because your pain seems big.

[Heather B.]

My fiance was killed in a crash 2 months ago.  We were going to get married this August.  We didn't even have 2 whole years together.

So, yes... my pain is very great.  It's just astonishing what grief can do to you.  Body, mind, spirit all are affected.  And it lasts a long time for most people.  I can't believe I am having to deal with something many people never have to even think about until they're 2 or 3 times my age.

Fortunately, I have lots of support from family, friends, my doctor, and my church.  Most of them have no idea what I'm going through, but at least I have people I can talk to.

And I'm not exaggerating when I say that this forum, and a few others, are real lifelines!  I'm so glad I found you all!  I can see myself devoting much of my life to pursuing things like astral projection.  Especially if it means being closer to my fiance.

[OrionsDream]

- Almost Mrs. Murphy: I'm only 15, and male, but I think that the fact you can type inteligent things without acting... idk like crazy or depressed big time (without seeming like that) is amazing, and good for you! If i lost my wife (in the future that is) right before mairrage, i dont know what id do!

Heter does not believe marijuana is bad for the body and person. He says he has seen proof that it is, if anything, good for the body because it raises awarness time thing (as in 'high')

Would someone here give hard proof that he is dead wrong, that marijuana is not good for you.

If no one can, well i'd have to admit hes right. But it just doesnt seem natural to use artificial 'awarness'
Heter- you should listen to her, she has it a lot worse than you, and it looks like she knows what shes talking about. Especially the park part. And indulgining in something you love is in fact good for you, if you do it sparringly, like once a week.
Acting true on your convienence totally defeats the purpose.

[Kazbadan]

MArijuana & depression = suicide or greater depression.

DOnt smoke that s**

Final tip: find a nice girl and have fun (if the "fun" its more than that, use some protection..u know what i mean).

Mrs. Murphy, i really dont know what to say. I feel really really sorry for your lost.

I think that now the only thing you can do its to learn to live with that pain.

Tips like the ones i gave to Heter may be good but not help so much as to him. Only time will heal you.

When you feel better, you should buy a book called "Who Dies" from Stephen Levine. The best book that i have ever read about how to deal with death (from loved ones or our own death) and pain. Its a book of courage and love. Very beautiful indeed.

I wish the best for you.

[OrionsDream]

Kazbadan- you dont really know a ton about heter...

i dont think theres a way for him to get a girl if he tried (no offense heter, but its true --- =/ ---)

And i've told him enough times that marijuana is bad for him, but he wont listen because i cant provide enough proof, except natural instinct and true human nature.

Pheraps you have some facts/proof (or anything that will get him to see it true) that marijuana and depression (or just marijuana by itself) is horrible.

[no_leaf_clover]

Would someone here give hard proof that he is dead wrong, that marijuana is not good for you.

OrionsDream, the truth is that marijuana is not that bad for you. The tests done on it have been biased and unscientific (ie, pumping lethal amounts of cannibinoids into animals), and there's no evidence that it's really any worse than smoking anything. That's unfortunate for your case, I suppose, but I agree that drugs + depression = bad. I don't know if it's especially true for marijuana, but from what I've read with other psychadelics, it does lead to suicide in some cases. Any drug that feeds off of your emotions will simply amplify whatever you're feeling. Dunno if marijuana is one of those types of drugs, but if you're not sure, then better safe than sorry I would imagine.

I still think the problem is social, and while going out and getting laid might not be a very reliable solution (nice, though, kaz. lol), hanging out with more people in general might do it. Go see a movie, or go eat out somewhere and laugh and have a good time. If getting something like that arranged is a problem in itself, then that'd be the next thing for you to work on I guess. :-/ It really should get your mind off things, though, and get you having some fun.

[heter]

I've become something of an unwilling expert on depression, including suicidal thoughts and feelings.  

Right now, I am trying to cope with life's greatest sorrow--I'm a 28-year-old widow.  Until 2 months ago, I was looking forward to a long, bright future with the most wonderful man on Earth, a man I felt was made just for me.  Well, that future is no more.  It has ended before it began.  And now I feel like I have a good 50+ years of "Why the hell am I here, and what the hell do I do now?!" ahead of me.  I feel like I'm stumbling through the dark.  Everything is a big unknown.  I fear life the way most people fear death.

I often think about dying now.  I don't have "active" suicidal tendancies, but I do have "passive" ones.  I drive a bit more recklessly.  I'm tempted not to wear my seatbelt.  I'm not afraid to walk in lightning storms any more.  And if someone confronted me with a gun or a knife, I'd tell them to $@!% themself because they can't hurt me any more than I'm already hurting.  If, Heaven forbid, terrorists ever started something in my city, $@!% them too--I'd chase the bastards down and give them their comeuppances, or else die trying.  I'm not afraid of anything or anyone any more.  In a way, that's good, but in a way, it's also self-destructive.

Honestly, there's only one thing that is sure to keep me alive, and that is the fear that suicide will sentence me to Hell.  And that I will be separated from my beloved for eternity.  

Now, I should say that I don't always feel this low.  It's really a huge roller coaster.  It doesn't head downward forever.  And I think I can say with some authority that it won't keep heading down forever, for you either, nor for any of us.  It has to get better, because no one can live for long with such suffering.

What's sad is that the state you and I are in are the illuminatis fault, and we dont do anything about it.

My advice:

1.  See a doctor.  Any doctor.  These days, they all know something about how to treat depression and anxiety.

So I can take anti depressants that turn me into a zombie? Did you know that 95% of school shooters were on an anti depressant like prozac.

2.  Spend some time outside.  I know it sounds corny, but it may help more than you think.  For me, it provides an immediate high.  Maybe not a huge high, but enough to help me get through another hour.  

This would help and I'm doing that in Turkey. But the trade off for that is that I get to see the man my mom betrayed me for and the reason she hasnt beena round for 5 years.

3.  Accept that sometimes, you might have to just take one hour, or even one minute, at a time.  Don't worry about tomorrow, or even all day today.

No, Ive been behind long ebough. I need to start doing things now before I keep convincing myself that I cant do it in the future.

4.  While you're here in these forums, give your mind something to gnaw on!  Learn how to phase or something!  Life is a lot more bearable when you can experience the universe that is much greater than the here and now.  And you know, you don't have to die in order to do it!

I know alot about projection and phasing I just dont practice it because I can't bring myself to dedicate enough time to see results.

[heter]

- Almost Mrs. Murphy: I'm only 15, and male, but I think that the fact you can type inteligent things without acting... idk like crazy or depressed big time (without seeming like that) is amazing, and good for you! If i lost my wife (in the future that is) right before mairrage, i dont know what id do!

Heter does not believe marijuana is bad for the body and person. He says he has seen proof that it is, if anything, good for the body because it raises awarness time thing (as in 'high')

Would someone here give hard proof that he is dead wrong, that marijuana is not good for you.

If no one can, well i'd have to admit hes right. But it just doesnt seem natural to use artificial 'awarness'
Heter- you should listen to her, she has it a lot worse than you, and it looks like she knows what shes talking about. Especially the park part. And indulgining in something you love is in fact good for you, if you do it sparringly, like once a week.
Acting true on your convienence totally defeats the purpose.

Yes and ned you should go bonk yourself. Who the bonk gave you permission to interfere? Don't you have some air to push around or something?

[heter]

We don't do anything to improve the world. We just sit around here acting wise  while the powers that be have there way with everyone. Why can't we just take control of our planet again? Even if you dont beleive in the reptiles/illuminati, you can't deny that there are things on this planet that certainly need fixing and there are things we could be doing to fix it. Then I here, "We our powerful and we cant be messed with and we are gods etc", but look at the state that we are in. Sounds to me like the christian god who doesen't do shhite  even though people are dying and suffering.

[AstralKadabra]

YES! i wish we could just push the stupid illuminati out of this stupid world and instead of even ownining it, just move on somewhere better or different! This world is messed up enough already and i dont see why it needs saving
I wish the people who wanted to, could just mooooooooooooove on... but i suppose if that was possible, we would have already  

buuuut i've felt depressed in the past too... nothin like what you people are feeling i guess... but i'm sorta new to this stuff....

Going to a doctors for depression reasons? That doesn't seem like such a smart idea... Heter said that they'd just give him anti-depressent pills and make him into a zombie... I dont think they would make him into a zombie, but i doubt they would help much... but psh idk maybe they would, just doesnt seem like medicines would be able to cure 'mental illnesses' as it is deemed


P.S. Hi everyone, name is Dan

[OrionsDream]

Heter- before, i admitted you were right about marijuana reluctantly. Now i'm admitting it without reluctance, but still many people have said that marijuana is not good to take when your depressed. Remember, this is not one of 'my worthless piece of bits of info.' - its what other ppl have said (not me). I dont know if they're right, or wrong.

Instead of getting into the habit of thinking i'm trying to 'beat you' or 'hurt' you in some way .. bc that wouldnt really make much sense... just accept what i say, and like you said- discard what u dont want and take what u do, instead of mocking me on these forums everytime i give my 2 cents.
Its sort of like something you said before -- something like: "i love how you insult me just to draw attention to yourself on these forums" or something. Your starting to act the way i used to.

Kadabra- medicine might be able to help.. some medicines like change chemicals in the brain or something that really do change emotions.. as weird as that is to believe. Maybe its not true, just what i thought.

anyway, why not 'walk in the park' now? You dont have to wait until you go to Turkey.. Are you afraid people you used to know/still do know will see you? I can understand that, and if thats true a walk in the park will just add more stress...

Please, just consider these comments, and do not dislike them.
- I am not trying to do anything but help you (i dont really see what else i could be doing...) -

and pedro, insulting air magick... dude... if you spent more then 5 min. on trying out fire magick i think you might find it.. useful.....
but i suppose you have enough on your mind now. pheraps after you are not depressed anymore we could work together on this magick.

[Heather B.]

Heter--Just what do you have in mind that we should be doing, if you don't mind my asking?

I work full-time at a prestigious institution of higher learning where people are always working to improve the world.  As a librarian, my entire profession is about serving others.  It's my gift, and a worthwhile one, I should think.  It may not seem like much, but I do what I can.

Oh dear, you don't want me to start talking about God.  Suffice to say, I feel He has done a great deal for me, whether my life has been good or bad, easy or hard.  My faith has never been greater than it is now.

[AstralKadabra]

Sucha very good question-


what kind of god are you talking about?

[heter]

I think the best solution would be constant protesting and recruit recruit recruit. We could have people making speeches and spreading information to everyone. The more people we recruit the harder it would make for them to gain control. What could they do? Use military force? Then it would make our cause even stronger. At some point they would ahve to comment on our motives and they can't blow off such good questions with such large amounts of evidence. We should create anarchy and unite everyone. The war should be targeted ofcourse, almost everyone with 2 and a half brain cells can agree that was a wrong move. I mean come on, they did it on a 'vague' accusation that osam bin laden attacked the twin towers. Did they ever give real proof? I remember the broadcast, "Osama Bin laden has a website up about why america sucks bla blah it must b e him". THen I bet they would try labeling us as terrorists, and that is why we cannot do anything violent. But jesus christ there is just so much evidence out there, if we bring all of that to peoples front door and rub it in there face and they STILL are against our cause, then maybe we don't deserve to to overcome the situation if we are really that ignorant.

[heter]

Heter--Just what do you have in mind that we should be doing, if you don't mind my asking?

I work full-time at a prestigious institution of higher learning where people are always working to improve the world.  As a librarian, my entire profession is about serving others.  It's my gift, and a worthwhile one, I should think.  It may not seem like much, but I do what I can.

Oh dear, you don't want me to start talking about God.  Suffice to say, I feel He has done a great deal for me, whether my life has been good or bad, easy or hard.  My faith has never been greater than it is now.

We need people to realize that we can't work along with the government, we need to eliminate the problem. Target the source of it and end it. There is too much evidence they couldn't give a rats butt about us. they dont want to help us in any way. They only do so when enough people rally to a certain cause and focus on imrpoving and then they get so much crap that they are forced to begin easing up and we begin to win. But we aren't pushing in the right area. It's all the same people, we all need to focus our efforts on one point and then we will begin to see results. All people need to realise is:

* We all have one enemy
* Together we are unstoppable

[OrionsDream]

That would be a WONDERFUL solution, if it worked. The reason a total revolution has not happend  YET is because the illuminati have been able to stifle every major uprising. Someone speaks out, the next day they get into a 'car crash' or something like that.

Total revolution and uprising can't be an option until the world on a whole has become more aware. Until then, we would be deemed 'whackos'. This might take some time, so until then we must become as strong as possible.

[OrionsDream]

"here is too much evidence they couldn't give a rats butt about us"

well thats true, from our point of view. If we did this, then the illuminati could base facts on their OWN point of view.
It would be like asking a christian of proof of god, and then hold up the bible... it wont work right now. Until people become more aware, and more open minded all we can do is like u said, recruit those willing, and let the others find out later, pheraps when its too late