The Ummite files!!!

[Szaxx]

9/11 is a date I didn't know. The missing buildings I did. This was in 1975.
Its for another time. Ill need someone on linked in to contact the person to verify this. He left for America shortly after to the best of my knowledge...
Back on topic.
The dragonfly representation and the maths below.
Easy to understand, in fact very easy.
Ill.use the black box analogy.
We are given 3 black boxes where we pass X (energy or even you walking) through them. They all have 1 in portal and 1 out portal.
Each box has a resistance to X passing through and a reactance (this is a reaction to X in its travels and will be different if say the walking speed is fast or slow).
Digressions,  from the film Dune, its the slow blade that gets through the shield. The fast ones bounce off.
Back, this reactance is dependant upon that passing and is NOT linear.
If we lay our boxes in a line connecting the out of one to the in of the next we get 3 different sets of rules for each.
If we simply add the resistance value and the reactance value of each box we get a number indicating the total disruption.
This can NEVER work. It's too simple and we have a reaction that can aid the X travelling through.
Digressions, we walk along a road at 5 MPH,if the road is 5 miles long it takes 1 hour. If this road is reactive say an uphill climb more energy is needed to travel its length. This will slow us down. However if the road was an escalator it slows the speed of walking but as its a moving road it speeds up the time taken.
Back, to calculate these effects whats done is to add the resistance and the calculated  reactance together, then multiply the value obtained by itself. Effectively square it.
This is done for each box. The value of X will naturally be the same for all boxes.
Once we have all 3 boxes calculated the 3 squared numbers are again added together then this total is square rooted.
I used 3 boxes in this example. Any number could be worked out N boxes. Add them all up once calculated and square root this number.
The value left WILL be EXACTLY  the same if you did it for real.

This is represented by the equation shown.
I'll continue reading and putting it into an understandable form (I hope).

[Stillwater]

This is the first I have seen of this material...

It reminds me a bit of a "channeled" set of manuscripts from a group supposedly called the "Urantia".

This particular case is interesting though... I haven't hit the definite red flag that I am looking for to cement this one as a hoax. I don't think it is real, just on principle, but the people who put this one together were pretty sharp... at least a few of them must have been mathematicians or physicists, and they devoted a sizable portion of their life to this.

Whatever hand wrote these (be it what they are claimed to be or otherwise), they are a pleasure to read, and it doesn't feel like wasted time at all.

Just maybe they are real, but that seems like a long bet to me; but I think I will read a fair amount of it, if only as a mental exercise, because the perspective is rich.

[Astralzombie]

This is genuine. I remember it on the news and have seen some photos of the nails. They're probably on the internet somewhere.

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=145996


I used to repair sets from that time too. The U.K. version PAL system not NTSC.
A self feeding magnetic amplifier with its output directly into the input.
As an idea these sets used the same power as a couple of lights. Most of this went heating the myriads of valves (tubes).
It's apparently real...

Are you saying the effect is real in these certain tv sets? That's amazing if so. What about the child's death' was that ever confirmed?

[Szaxx]

As far as memory serves the production was stopped. This set was removed and thoroughly examined.
I'll try and find a news clip or similar.
Im not sure of the unfortunate carnage. The report itself did speak of him.

[Astralzombie]

In the evolution section, I came across a scenario that the Ummites used to illustrate how cells use different gravitational waves to help understand the external environment. In the story, I found some tell-tell signs of this part, at least, being a hoax. The Ummite story is in italics and my reasoning is in normal font. The part that makes me question this is in bold italics. There are too many letters over the years so just because one is proven false doesn't mean that they all are.

Suppose that in some country on Earth, a very technologically-developed country, a company builds an airplane factory. a This company has a massive research and development budget, giving its management free rein to develop programs its smaller competitors could never afford. Having these extraordinary means at their disposal, the management and workers embark upon an ambitious project. This new program consists in conducting a wide-ranging study of all existing technological methods of production.

They build thousands of wind tunnels, Metallography labs occupying dozens of buildings, information archives connected to all the research centers on the Planet, and hundreds of thousands of engineers, physicists and electronics specialists are contacted for their assistance (such a project is a pure fiction; it could never happen as we are describing it here).[/b]

This is only describing the internet and the mobilization of manpower and resources. Granted it is on a HUGE scale but is not out of the realm of possible. Many people in the 1960's envisioned computer technology progressing to the internet in a realistic time frame. So why wouldn't an advanced alien species see that this too would be an eventuality? In my view, only a hoaxer would be this short-sided and call this scenario "pure fiction" even in relation to the huge scale.

They compile the blueprints and technical elements necessary for their production of ALL POSSIBLE MODELS OF AIRCRAFT.

You do not need to be a technician to understand the importance of such a project. It is impossible to calculate the billions of Models which would have to be drawn (that is why we told you that this project was pure fiction, taken as a didactic example).[/b]

Again, why would it be impossible to calculate all the possible combinations if we can link all the super computers together through the internet to tackle this large number? The need to call this pure fiction tells me this part is hoax.

Once the plans are drawn according to each particular need, aeronautical condition or navigation, computers compile the information into a smaller space.

Let us continue our story: one day one of the most modern delta wing models flies; it has a turbine engine for ceilings of up to 12 000 meters.

It is to fly over an enemy area where there are heat-seeking anti-aircraft missles which can detect the infra-red radiation coming out of the turbojets. The planes are destroyed one after the others, the survival of the aircraft is in danger. The environment is INCOMPATIBLE with " the species " [in biological terms NdT ].

But the engineers on the aircraft do not waste time. With their equipment, they see what is happening and break down the problem into distinct parts.

They see for example that the enemy missiles have parabolic reflectors inside their plastic warheads, that they do not emit high frequency waves and thus they are not designed to emit radar waves; they observe that the trajectories of the missiles are directed statistically towards their own plane. They discover, finally, that these missiles are equipped with very sensitive heat detectors.

Thus the design of the plane needs to undergo a mutation. But there is no time to build a prototype and test it.

That is when the massive project mentioned earlier comes to be applied in practice.

All that needs to be done is to consult the central memory to obtain a prototype of as-good performance, similar to the existing model, but having some kind of shell to protect the exhaust conduit and reduce the amount of fateful infra-red radiation emitted.

The plans of the new model already exist, and the construction will be much easier.

That's it really. I know it's not much but doesn't this seem like the inability of a hoaxer to see that this technology was rapidly approaching. An advanced alien species certainly would have recognized this and would not feel the need to call it "pure fiction". Even if they were making a jab at our inability to cooperate on a large project like this. I also understand that the Ummites were probably talking about this scenario taking place during  the time the letter was written. But since the technology that this scenario would need to operate smoothly was only a few decades away, I still couldn't see them saying this was pure fiction.

[Stillwater]

I don't know that we could do anything like that today even though, in the metaphor's terms.

We are not capable of calculating all possible models of plane, even with all the computers in the world in concert... there would be trillions of trillions (probably a much larger number even, depending on how you distinguish what amount of difference defines a different model), and that is assuming we even know the rules for what makes a plane possible or not, which we likely don't for the finest points of distinction.

It might take a computer the size of a solar system to carry out such a calculation...

I don't think recognizing the absurdity of that particular task makes the material a hoax automatically; I don't think the internet is a fair approximation of the task either... the internet is orders of magnitude simpler.

But yes... surely there must be something in the material that dates it and points out obvious forgery...

[Szaxx]

Don't overdo the thought guys.
Evolution, thats a one word answer to solving the heat detection problem. The methods of war machines utilise this concept period.

As far as the masses of simultaneous calculations go,
1, database.
2, actual time.
3, required timespan.
4, answer.

This doesn't need explaining.

Simply, when I look forwards, that behind me is irrelevant.

This can be done on a calculator if its from two points known with the black box simplicity.

[Stillwater]

Yes, but I was addressing the metaphor of the plane schematics, not evolution which it was meant to describe, because that is where fault was found.

[Bedeekin]

I love that this was written during the 60's.

I find new things about this every time I read it.

I found this , its on the home planet of these beings , and there space craft . If I under stand this people riding in there space craft are sourned with a gelly , not for the claustrophobic http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_ummites04.htm    desert rat 

haha... love it.

[Astralzombie]

I don't know that we could do anything like that today even though, in the metaphor's terms.

We are not capable of calculating all possible models of plane, even with all the computers in the world in concert... there would be trillions of trillions (probably a much larger number even, depending on how you distinguish what amount of difference defines a different model), and that is assuming we even know the rules for what makes a plane possible or not, which we likely don't for the finest points of distinction.

It might take a computer the size of a solar system to carry out such a calculation...

I don't think recognizing the absurdity of that particular task makes the material a hoax automatically; I don't think the internet is a fair approximation of the task either... the internet is orders of magnitude simpler.

But yes... surely there must be something in the material that dates it and points out obvious forgery...

Hi Still. I see your point. If you look at a model and changed it by adding or taking away one bolt anywhere on it at random, this could technically be a new combination. But I don't think that would be an efficient way to handle all the data.

This new program consists in conducting a wide-ranging study of all existing technological methods of production.--This sentence tells me that the program could be attempted on a possible human scale. The combinations being generated would be ongoing as well as the project. This would exclude silly models or crazy ideas. And they could work with what they have at any given time.

I agree with you and I also think that this is not enough to call this a hoax(mostly because many a smarter professionals have read this and they did not take slight with this). But it sticks out like a neon light to me.

[Szaxx]

Still reading...
The hoax aspect.
The fact that a misinterpretation has occured suggests various possibilities.
If they were simpletons making use of technical discussions, Im sure it would have been worked out way back.
If this is a misinterpretation of the data supplied it follows that translation is suspect.
If it was a hoax by professionals would this simple misinterpretation exist?
If its actually real does it contain anything forward of the then present technology?

[ChopstickFox]

That's what I would think would stick out like a sore thumb... Something that at this time would be disproved.

[Szaxx]

I can also see the explanation taking form of SU2 or SU3 calculus (yuk). The planes that can be calculated out from a central reference point on an angle (vector) or phase difference from another one will intersect if their scalar values are high enough and in close proximity. The effects of intersecting 2D planes would be an expected nil as they have the same value of reference to each other at this point.
It's not making much sense.
It's very good though.

[Stillwater]

I haven't read that much, so much as skimmed so far, but the spirit of things if I have not misinterpreted it in my fast perusal, is that there are no actual vectors, but that distance is entirely a rotational phenomenon, an illusion formed from many dimensions of rotation... it is hard to fathom how that could be true...

[Bedeekin]

I haven't read that much, so much as skimmed so far, but the spirit of things if I have not misinterpreted it in my fast perusal, is that there are no actual vectors, but that distance is entirely a rotational phenomenon, an illusion formed from many dimensions of rotation... it is hard to fathom how that could be true...

Well... they do say that! lol

The thing is the way it is written and described by the 'author' by its very nature disavows the ability to understand it.

It's sort of got something so right about it.. yet wrong at the same time.

I'm glad I made you all aware of it. 

[Szaxx]

It's based on their really simplified string of ordered same coloured dragonflies. Expand this to outer space and load in prioritised life sustaining planets each being on a different angle yet concatenated in their ordered way. The points each have in favour as an accordingly sized plane...
I suppose in reality this would require the central point we use as standard to be an Z axis directed towards us.
It gets too involved , thing is it requires 4 or more dimensions to be understood fully to even begin the actual complexity.
Wow its a damn good one...