The Ummite files!!!

[Bedeekin]

Has anyone heard of the Ummites? I read about them years ago during a UFO exhibition I was involved with.

It's one of those things that has probably slipped under the radar for people interested in aliens and consciousness.. reality etc. Makes for an interesting read.

Ssaxx!!!! I would love to read your thoughts on the equations and science behind it.

Nobody knows for certain whether the Ummite letters were faked... other than the fact many very clever people would have been needed to create such a feat of fakery. here's an experpt from the website.



Ummites? What's that?

To better understand the story behind the Ummite letters (pronounced Oummites), some background is needed.

The Ummites claim to have landed on Earth in March 1950, in the area of Digne. Three crafts brought a crew from the planet UMMO that set up a base (see the summary in the book by J-P PETIT), probably on the Peak of Blache, between Digne and La Javie, in the south of France. They spent a certain time analysing our habits, walked around Paris (and undoubtedly elsewhere), and avoided drawing attention to themselves. In 1965, Mr. Fernando SESMA, the organiser of a slightly esoteric Spanish "association " which claimed to be in contact with other extraterrestrials, begins receiving letters. Other recipients also receive some. Contact is lost in 1970, then is regained in 1987, and continues until 1993 (at least, we do not have letters possibly sent outside these periods) with other recipients, particularly in France. We currently have approximately 200 to 300 pages of texts written by the Ummites but it is possible that many other letters exist. In a 1988 letter, reference is made to the existence of 3,850 pages, copies of which having been sent to several individuals represent the equivalent of 160,000 pages!

Reading this, you are undoubtedly at least somewhat incredulous. It is to be expected. What is more difficult to dismiss is the body of information contained within these texts when one takes the trouble of reading them. To be sure, one will always be able to object that these letters are the creation of a group of scientists wanting to launch the basis of a new theory in the form of "a hoax". But a hoax lasting for more than thirty years, without any of the participants having one day come forward to say "We really had you going. Well, it was us... "? We do not believe it. So what other likely scenarios remain?

Since 1975 (?), a French scientist, J-P PETIT has been aware of the existence of these texts. The information contained within them has allowed him, by his own admission, to establish various theories concerning magnetohydrodynamic propulsion (MHD), shockwave elimination at supersonic speeds, the basis of a new "tetravalent" mathematics and the modelling and the calculation of a twin universe, a theory which, if accepted by the scientific community, has the potential to fundamentally change our current vision of the universe, especially since it addresses one of the weaknesses of the current model: missing mass.

But these letters do not only deal with astrophysics. They also give important information on the Ummite design of the Universes (we have one word, they have five) and their components, on religion, evolution, network theory, information technology, the operation of their craft, etc.

In these letters, more than 400 words, mathematical algorithms, algebraic relations, and a great number of symbols were used by the Ummites who were kind enough to give the translation of certain terms. You will find the translations in this compilation. Unfortunately, without the knowledge of Ummite grammar or verbs (if they exist in their language), it is currently impossible to provide a comprehensive linguistic analysis.

Why was this work of compilation and editing done? We realized how difficult it would be to fully understand Ummite thought and the concepts advanced, by virtue of the necessity of referring to different letters, sometimes difficult to find, often poorly presented and which contain paragraphs having nothing to do with the original subject, thus making their reading very difficult. The concepts were gathered in a logical reading order which is:
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read on.. it's fascinating if not entertaining to say the least...

http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/a002.htm

[Astralzombie]

Man...I love this stuff so much that I hate it.  Nothing like a great mystery and having to admit to myself that I ain't gots no clue how to unfigure dem out.

Great ego buster, and it reminds me of a mystery that has been running in some university's newspaper here in the states for forty years now. There is even a large reward to someone who can decipher the code.

[Lookedynamixhales]

Bedeekin all my life i have been very ignorant on UFO and extraterrestrials i think i may delve deeper into the rabbit hole

[ChopstickFox]

And he will point out that the compact appearance of the chrome-plated object is illusory since the atomic nuclei are as separate from each other as the Stars of a Galaxy.

It's so exciting looking at things from a different perspective... We see what looks solid, but there is actually soooooo much space! This is an exciting read

I do get very skeptic about things like this, but I am enjoying nonetheless.

Edit:
And although the human mind cannot visualise a body of more than three dimensions, mathematics makes it possible to overcome this mental hurdle.

I like this already

[Lionheart]

 Is this the same race of beings that were supposed to come out of that mountain in Southern France on Dec 21st 2012?

I will definitely have to read some more on this. Thank You for the link! 

There are so many different races that who knows, Ummites just might be one of them.  

[Szaxx]

I'll read this later, time allowing.
One name I'll say to read on immediately came to mind.
Wilbert Smith 1950. Important in the west...
His communication with colleagues is worth reading.

[Bedeekin]

Its all bad... Are you talking about the Voynich manuscript?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript

I have read through the entire website and was originally blown away by it. The science behind it is well ahead of the time it was written... especially about atoms and their description...  

"THE REAL WAAM AND THE "ILLUSORY" WAAM UNIVERSE).

It is very difficult for the OEMII (man, by extension human, by another extension "intelligent living being) to have a true perception of the real nature of the Physical World which surrounds us. Apparently the mental images we have made for ourselves of this Medium which surrounds us can lead us to conclude in error that the Physical World is as we " see ", " touch " or " feel " it.

But a careful analysis by the scientists of UMMO as well as by Earth scientists, and those of other Galactic civilisations (possessing a certain degree of culture) revealed that our WAAM is not as our senses normally perceive it. So: the vivid colours we enjoy looking at a flower garden are but a beautiful psychological perception. There is no chromatic richness that exists outside of us. Only a range of electromagnetic frequencies remains as the last substratum of perception.

The OEMII is the only being of the WAAM that goes beyond the limits of its own organism to understand the world, and it uses the spirit to this end as an intellectual means, since our bodily senses, nervous system and cortical mechanisms of synthesis and psychological perception completely distort reality.

Let us see for an example how our physiological bodies " distort " the truth by masking things in beautiful clothing, without which our WAAM (universe), viewed as is, would come across as nothing but a cold succession of IBOZOO UU out of phase with each other. (we will explain this concept shortly)

When you take for example a cigarette lighter between your fingers, you are aware that it is THERE: cold, shiny.

" It " is thus THERE, between your index and thumb... it is not a fiction: it EXISTS ". But this lighter is nothing but a simple perception.

The physicists of OYAGAA (the planet squared: the Earth ) could tell you more about this simple pocket lighter. They would say for example that you are not actually touching it, in spite of your sensory perception, since there is of large relative distance between the metal atoms and the electronic clouds of the atoms of the skin covering your fingers.

Perhaps a layman would timidly object if this small piece of metal is not touching his skin, it is impossible to hold it and that it should then " fall to the ground ". But the Earth scientist will speak to him about Force fields, Tensors, Repulsions between negative electric charges.

He will suggest that the metal's low temperature produces this cold sensation and that it is the consequence of the low amplitude of the vibration of its molecules compared to those of the skin.

And he will point out that the compact appearance of the chrome-plated object is illusory since the atomic nuclei are as separate from each other as the Stars of a Galaxy.

An Earth expert in physiological optics will say to you that the real brightness of the object is about ten times larger than the apparent brightness, but that, when the light crosses our eye, the crystalline lens and the vitreous humour absorb almost all the photons, and so only a very reduced luminous energy arrives at the retina.

An Earth physician will smile if you ask him how the light (of the flame) arrives at the cerebral cortex, and he will explain why the light never arrives at the brain, but rather that the photons, when striking the retina, induce codified impulses which are transmitted by the neurons of the optic nerve in the form of an electric message, in the form of a code, so that the resemblance between the butane flame and the message our brain receives from the retina is the same as that between a grazing cow and the letters that make up its name.

And finally a neuropsychiatrist will tell you in very vague terms (for he himself does not know many steps of the process) how the brain combines the millions of codified impulses into one synthesised perception. The only image we have of the mysterious lighter and the flame which exist apart from us is a sensory illusion.

Indeed: such an image of the lighter, however familiar it may be to us, has as much in common with the true object as the letters D-A-F-F-O-D-I-L have with the plant they designate (they = these letters ndt).

The OEMII (the man) must thus rid himself of these mental images ingrained since childood, about things, colours, sounds etc... Beings of every social group we have encountered, connected to various OYAA (Planets) with which we have been in contact, and including us, you the OEMII of the Earth and we the OEMII of Ummo, realised this was necessary, and gradually scientists from various civilisations are bringing to light the true basis of our WAAM. Where are humans on this scale? Does the mathematical model of the Universe put forward by Earth physicists, with its relativity theory, quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics an accurate description of the truth ? By presenting our WAAM theory to you, you will be able to judge the differences for yourselves. We observed that the OEMII (the man) of OYAGAA (Earth) which you call " man on the street " not initiated to Earth physics, has a very primitive concept of space and the universe we call WAAM."

Actually.. upon reading My Big TOE I found great similarities. The description of reality within the texts is brilliant.

These have obviously been debunked again and again.. .not proved as debunked but rather classed in the same league as Adamski's claims. If you were to run a search on the Ummites you would find that it is suggested that Maurice Viton (the guy who claimed he received these letters over years) fabricated them himself. Rather than be dissuaded because of this, put aside the stuff written on them and read them at face value... so cool.

Here's an interesting article that describes the Ummite philosophy having much greater reaching influence over european science than originally thought...

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/ufo_extraterrestrials/2011/11/25/1917.html

Lionheart... you talking about the place people were flocking to in Dec?....Pic de Burgarac or something like that?

[Astralzombie]

It's called the May Day Mystery. Here's a link.

http://www.maydaymystery.org/mayday/

It's way too cryptic for me. But I spent a few weeks checking it out here and there and got no where. It's no where near as old as I remembered.


Edit: I just looked up the Voynich manuscript and realized I had already seen a doc about that. These letters and that book are far more interesting then the May Day mystery though.

[Bedeekin]

Haha... They are aren't they... only because of the time they were written though.

That Mayday mystery went right over my head. 

[Astralzombie]

Man...the potential of these letters to be true is astounding.

The part of evolution was the easiest to understand and had the most potential to be verified. The past about continental drift makes so much sense.

Fake or not, the author's must have been brilliant.

[Bedeekin]

Exactly... you can read out the alien connection or read into it... either way it's just damn interesting.

Many people have stated that although they may be faked... the theory is in itself way ahead of its time.

If you read the piece about how reality is constructed and viewed by a type of angle... it is very suggestive of a description multiple dimensions.

I'm sure there have been thousands of people studying this.

I haven't even hit you up with John Titor yet... the time traveller. 

[Astralzombie]

I know I completely misunderstood their analogy but the way they described our inherent ability to not see space and time as it truly is sounds demeaning but so true.

The most I could imagine was a cube where all the sides represented a dimension. From Each corner, a line that also represented every dimension would cross to connect to another corner. What you have after doing this with every corner, is the inside of the cube filled with intersections which represents the "place" where all these dimensions meet to create our reality.

Each angle created by the intersection of the dimensions is a specific moment in time. This means that the past, present, and future would all exist at once since time is not exactly a dimension but an intersection of the dimensions.

As a surveyor, it blew my mind that they were stupefied at our inability to denote a significance with in the angles. But then again, there are no angles within any of our models of space and time.

[ChopstickFox]

Exactly... you can read out the alien connection or read into it... either way it's just damn interesting.

Absolutely... Why I'm enjoying it so much! Brilliant

[Szaxx]

There's two things that stand out so far.
The technology they refused giving is one subject I've already commented on and the fact that manking is not ready for it is my answer too. Nuclear power generation is an example. Bombs... This technology if correctly made and cryogenics added would damage the galaxy we exist in.
The other point mentioned is the phase angle of existance in 3D. I had a difficult time explaining a fourth dimension to a small group of initiates in our art. I eventually explained the extra dimension utilising a set of blinds. The ones found at windows.
I'll continue reading.

[Chaki]

Fascinating!

[Bedeekin]

There's two things that stand out so far.
The technology they refused giving is one subject I've already commented on and the fact that manking is not ready for it is my answer too. Nuclear power generation is an example. Bombs... This technology if correctly made and cryogenics added would damage the galaxy we exist in.
The other point mentioned is the phase angle of existance in 3D. I had a difficult time explaining a fourth dimension to a small group of initiates in our art. I eventually explained the extra dimension utilising a set of blinds. The ones found at windows.
I'll continue reading.

Doesn't he use a dragonfly analogy to describe the angle of viewing? I read it so long ago. I might have to get sucked back into it again.

[Astralzombie]

There's two things that stand out so far.
The technology they refused giving is one subject I've already commented on and the fact that manking is not ready for it is my answer too. Nuclear power generation is an example. Bombs... This technology if correctly made and cryogenics added would damage the galaxy we exist in.
The other point mentioned is the phase angle of existance in 3D. I had a difficult time explaining a fourth dimension to a small group of initiates in our art. I eventually explained the extra dimension utilising a set of blinds. The ones found at windows.
I'll continue reading.

A reasonable person will look at this and say it's convenient for both the Ummites or a hoaxer to say that the science is too advanced for us to grasp at even an elementary level and therefore any attempt will not begin to come close to conveying the true complexity. That could be the truth but....The Ummites can look at where we are wrong and what we are missing and then explain the smallest reasons one by one. Then point by point we can begin to comprehend the science so that we aren't trying to do calculus with only a mastery of arithmetic.

But even though the Ummites knew their attempt in giving us some sort of example would be in vain, they still gave it a try. When even our most advanced mathematicians and physicists failed to understand their example, it conveniently affirmed the Ummite's or the hoaxer's warning about our inability to comprehend the science.

Then consider their philosophical and ethical reasoning for not correcting our science step by step and it too becomes convenient for both. The truth is that we always exploit every breakthrough large or small in our sciences and look for ways to militarize the new knowledge. For a species that insists on killing each other at every turn, it makes ethical sense to not give us this tech and knowledge.

It is only possible to prove or disprove anything within our current limit of understanding a given subject. We know for certain and without the shadow of any logical or illogical doubt that yesterday has already happened and is in our past. But only because we are incapable of understanding it to be true in any other way, we consider it crazy to even contemplate another circumstance. This, I believe, is the definition of a belief trap.

Isn't convenience inconvenient at times?

[Szaxx]

Yes its conveniently inconvenient.
If we look at magnetism and what we know. Its an alignment of 1 electron in the atomic mix. The atomic weight of 102 approx is required or no magnetism (permanent).
The idea of protons neutrons and electrons is too old to utilise in say, the wave structure of matter theory.
Ill find an example of this 'retained' technology or at least a pointer of its magnitude.
I know of one incident from the 60's but will find a suitable link to share.
Still reading, slowly at present, large family, work...

[Szaxx]

This is genuine. I remember it on the news and have seen some photos of the nails. They're probably on the internet somewhere.

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=145996


I used to repair sets from that time too. The U.K. version PAL system not NTSC.
A self feeding magnetic amplifier with its output directly into the input.
As an idea these sets used the same power as a couple of lights. Most of this went heating the myriads of valves (tubes).
It's apparently real...

[desert-rat]

I found this , its on the home planet of these beings , and there space craft . If I under stand this people riding in there space craft are sourned with a gelly , not for the claustrophobic http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_ummites04.htm    desert rat 

[Astralzombie]

Exactly... you can read out the alien connection or read into it... either way it's just damn interesting.

Many people have stated that although they may be faked... the theory is in itself way ahead of its time.

If you read the piece about how reality is constructed and viewed by a type of angle... it is very suggestive of a description multiple dimensions.

I'm sure there have been thousands of people studying this.

I haven't even hit you up with John Titor yet... the time traveller.  

I read quite a bit about John Titor today as well as watch a couple of videos. I think it's a pretty neat story but I believe the de-bunkers have done a more than acceptable job of disproving it. What do you think? Is there any info in particular that makes you say let's wait and see or do you not believe it yourself but just like the tale?

[desert-rat]

On John Titor , he said nothing on the events of 9/11/2001 , but did predict of events that have not happned , so he was either form another time line , or just making events up .  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor    desert rat 

[Astralzombie]

On John Titor , he said nothing on the events of 9/11/2001 , but did predict of events that have not happned , so he was either form another time line , or just making events up .  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor    desert rat 

Many of predictions have passed unfulfilled. No one bats a thousand but .109 is less than random chance. No to mention that with our current scientific direction,it will take centuries before we even know we have it all wrong. This travel-tech would have to either be from the future-future (I kill myself) or alien origin.

[Bedeekin]

Yeah... Titor's claims are purely interesting. I read the forum threads he was involved in and I was impressed with his responses...or maybe their responses.

I was entertained by Titor and meant you to have a look purely from an entertaining angle. Still nice story wise.

[Astralzombie]

Yeah... Titor's claims are purely interesting. I read the forum threads he was involved in and I was impressed with his responses...or maybe their responses.

I was entertained by Titor and meant you to have a look purely from an entertaining angle. Still nice story wise.

Where did you find his threads? Are they still there?