Truth

ImmuredSoul · June 16, 2004, 20:27:03

[xx(] Is that the truth? [

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Moonburn33 · June 16, 2004, 22:10:58

here's something for you.

not everyone is on a search for truth. some of us could care less about what is true. we are on a path of greater and greater awareness, that is all.

"truth" is for animals who place too much emphasis on their outside culture.

Alhara · June 16, 2004, 22:19:04

But without truth, what is awareness? Meaningless. And without awareness, truth is a chess game, and we are but ants trying to figure out the rules. It all balances each other. Thus is the way of the world.

ImmuredSoul · June 17, 2004, 10:00:37

Yeah, I completely agree with Alhara . . .

Moonburn33 · June 17, 2004, 15:09:34

what do you mean by truth? objective reality?

if so, then you will never know the truth, because your perception of reality will never mirror the real thing.

the more aware of oneself and one's "environment" one becomes, the more one is able to understand one's perception of the environment-

truth is nothing more than your mind making conclusions about reality.
the desire for truth is a weakness, one that can be overcome by understanding that desire.

Arie · June 17, 2004, 20:32:50

Truth is a spiritual Reality...experienced only by spirit-endowed beings...who function upon supermaterial levels of cosmic consciousness...and who after the realization of truth...permit it's spirit of activation to live and reign within their souls.

War persists...because Man is human...evolved from animals...and all animals are bellicose.

ImmuredSoul · June 17, 2004, 20:43:58

So, are we suppose to just ignore everything around us? We can't search for anything is we can't search for truth, for truth is everything and everything is truth. Lies included, in some twisted way, when you sit and think about it. Are you trying to state that nothing exists? Objectional truth and spiritual truth have to be on some level together, therefore they much both be the same thing in some respect. If nothing exists . . . what's the point in searching or not searching for the truth. Do we look at something and say, "Oh look, that bird is flying." or "Oh look, that bird is swimming." ? What is truth, to see the things. What is spiritual truth? To see, feel, know things? We can't say there's no truth, but we can't say that there is either, now can we? Because . . . why? . . . There's no truth? Objectionally . . . yet too spiritually . . .

Then again, if we ignore something, does it disappear? If you were to ignore me, would I . . . simply disappear? Is existance truth?

PS: My computer's not working right, so I'm not too sure if I'm seeing a lot of what I'm seeing right or not, so hopefully I am and everything, thataway I won't sound . . . uh, foolish (oops, too late!) [|)]

James S · June 17, 2004, 20:48:29

Seems to me that truth, or at least the convoluted discussions about truth, is that annoying coffee table in the dark room that you keep bashing your shins against and tripping over on your way towards the door marked "Way Out".

- James.

kiauma · June 18, 2004, 06:01:41

Everything is Truth. Even lies are true, when looked at in the right way - they tell the truth about the teller.

Formulae and creeds are truth, but they are lifeless truths, narrow truths - they are 'knowledge'. Knowledge is a mechanical type of information - even complex knowledge. Knowledge is of the mind.

Wisdom, on the other hand, is knowledge of the unknowable, and is felt instead of known. Wisdom is of the heart. A lot of knowledge is a good thing, but it must always be applied with wisdom.

Existentially, a falsehood is a null statement. They do not have any existance except in the narrow perception of the liar. Therefore, a flasehood, as an objective statement, is impossible.

Truth is relative - and the biggest relative truth is that Truth is relative.

Moonburn33 · June 18, 2004, 09:14:05

thank you james.

and who says that being quarrelsome is a bad trait for us?

Akensai · June 18, 2004, 12:42:12

Truth about what? Absolute truth, I believe is conscious, more conscious is more truth.

jilola · June 18, 2004, 14:25:58

James S:

quote:
Truth is relative - and the biggest relative truth is that Truth is relative.

Indeed. Expanding on tha: Truth(the trademarked one) is your existence.
You are the Truth.

There isn't an absolute Truth the same for everyone Being the reflections of the singular existence we are the Truth.

There is a great difference between the truth as it's usually understood (1=1 and 1<>2 kind of truth) and th Truth of your self, the Truth of what we are.

The confusion in the matter arises from the confusing of the two kinds or levels of truth as being the same.

This is why anyone claiming to posses absolute truth is by definition bth correct he does have his Truth) and wrong (his Truth isn't yours).
The test of a person is being able to see that there is a) a difference and b) the difference is imaginary.

2cents & L&L
jouni

Arie · June 18, 2004, 17:10:06

Reality is finite, shadowy, and relative.

Information and intelligence....gleaned from even high sources...is only relatively complete, locally accurate, and personally true.

The authority of truth...is the very spirit which indwells the minds of men, women, and children.

Static truth is dead truth...and only dead truth can be held as a 'theory.'

Physical facts are fairly uniform...but truth is a flexible factor in the philosophy of the universe.

You all would do well in freeing yourselves from the enslavement of institutional religion. But make not the grave mistake in casting your souls overboard into the clutches of secularism.

Always keep this mind: True religion is know God as your Father...and man as your brother.

kiauma · June 18, 2004, 19:19:05

Thanks Arie. I'm sure I will follow your Truth to the letter... [

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Blackstream · June 18, 2004, 20:16:07

Write all the stuff you say Arie and put it into a book. You might be able to start an organized religion!

Rule #1: There is no truth
Rule #2: Rule #1 is wrong!

Anyways truth is defined as (one of the defs)

Reality; actuality.
often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.

I don't know about you, but one of my goals is to learn the reality of the world I exist in. In doing so I'll achieve greater awareness. How can one be aware if they are decieved at the same time? I want to know things like, "Is Chi real" and "Are their actual aliens". If I refuse to pursue these kinda questions on the basis that I don't really need to know the truth, then I am inhibiting my awareness rather that heighting it.

You throw around a lot of big words that don't make any sense in the context of what you are saying. In a word, it seems you are trying to say that reality is dynamic. I.e., what is true one day is not true the next. If that is true, then progress of any kind is impossible. What methods you use to increase awareness one day might destroy it another. In other words, reality is absolute. It doesn't change and is in thus static. Chi is chi and doesn't become a tomato patch the next day. If you are seeing truths that seem to fluncutation, then you are missing the forest for the trees and not seeing the underlying all-pervaying truth behind the occurance.

And if you do believe that reality is in fact subjective and can change at any moment, then there's no point in believing in anything as reality could change at any moment. There's no point in becoming aware either as awareness is "Having knowledge or cognizance". If what you know can change at any moment, it's impossible to become aware of the world around you because you'll never really know what you are looking at. We're doomed to a life in a chaotic universe that changes and morphs around. But I have yet to see an actual truth change, so I conclude that reality is absolute from observation.

kiauma · June 19, 2004, 06:39:30

Yes Blackstream, reality is 'absolute'.

It is our experience that is dynamic. It is our experience that is subjective.

That is why he can say one thing, I can say another, and you can say yet another.

True folly is calling our experience 'absolute reality'.

Arie · June 20, 2004, 19:39:56

The greatest of all is the server of all.

Those who know the truth...obey the truth...and those who obey the truth...live the truth.

Moonburn33 · June 20, 2004, 20:39:51

is it me or is arie starting to sound like ze has a pile of fortune cookies that ze is reading from

Arie · June 16, 2004, 17:53:26

You can know the truth...and you can live the truth...but you cannot imprison truth within formulas...codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct. The post-mortem salvage of imprisoned truth...only at best...can result in a peculiar form of intellectualized, glorified wisdom.

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