any tips

[polejam]

Hi,

I have been practicing meditation for a while and have recently found that at certain times, if I put all of my focus upon the roof, as if I am trying to float up to it, then I will begin to feel as if I am being pulled out of my body, with alot of vibratory sensations.

Basically I will put my focus on the roof, and then will begin to feel some vibrations begin, I maintain my focus until they get stronger and stronger until it feels I am just getting sucked into a vacuum cleaner right out of my body. I tend to lose my focus a little here, mainly because I become excited as to how it will actually feel when I do leave my body.

I was just wondering how close I was to projecting, and if anybody had any tips for this process? I would assume I just have to keep on practicing until I can hold my focus of the roof through the whole experience, without losing my focus. As when I lose my focus the sensations seem to 'slow down'.

Well just thought I would share this to see what other experienced projectors thought and could tell me. I am very excited to visit the astral realms! Hopefully soon!

[NoY]

you sound like your doing great you just need to stay calm stay relaxed and keep it up 
have a good read around and see if anybody inspires you

:NoY:

[c0sm0nautt]

Yea, just relax when those vibrations come and visualize yourself floating towards the ceiling. 

[Emraen]

I'm at the same stage as you Polejam but can't seem to achieve seperation.
I've been reading other people's excellent tips and techniques on here and am trying them out.  I have much more awareness of my multi-dimensional self through the practice though and my dreams are becoming more and more lucid...it's just perseverance I think.
Let me know how you get on and best of luck

[polejam]

cool thanks for the posts

i have been practicing more and am starting to get more comfortable with the vibrations and stuff and maintaining a more relaxed state and also kind of feeling like i am falling asleep when i feel like i can actually feel my "energy body" moving

i get to this point where the vibrations kind of reach a 'climax' if you will and then they kind of back off, but i am left with this feeling of being more a part of my energy body than my physical, and also a more deeper state similar to sleep

so then i continue focus upwards, and the sensations begin building up again, but this time they are different, it feels alot more like my legs are kind of getting pulled off of some velcro and then i feel like i am kind of floating with my whole energy body. then i start to feel the vacuum sensations again and so far get distracted at this point.

definate progress, it seems like the whole projection process comes in waves, sort of. ive just gotta keep focused and relaxed through each wave until i achieve separation, as far as i can tell. will keep up the practice and post up any nice progress!

[polejam]

a little update

this morning was interesting. i woke up and decided to try projecting so i normally roll onto my back to kind of keep me awake. well i did the usual and the vibrations and stuff began and eventually got bored and decided to go back to sleep so i rolled over and started to fall back asleep. but i just noticed if i kind of meditated i kept myself fairly conscious. so i did and really felt the whole sleep process begin but i kept myself awake and conscious through it. i went through a couple of big vibrations maybe 3 pretty intense ones and ended up in this really deep state. wasnt sure what else to do lol so i kind of kept lying there tried a few exit techniques but didnt do too much so i just kept myself conscious it was very interesting. i ended up going to roll over and realized that i just kind of rolled out of my body lol but then i snapped back in.

very interesting and exciting! feel free to add any tips / comments, but i think just practicing is whats most important.

[Xanth]

polejam, I'm with the others, you're definitely doing a good job.  Just keep it up. 

I find that a majority of what initiates the projection reflex is a sense of "movement"... your visualizing yourself on the roof or moving to the roof is a great example of it. 

[polejam]

so ive been keeping up the practice pretty well and making some steady progression deeper into the vibrations / sleep paralysis

but this morning something pretty amazing happened i thought i would share

well i woke up real early to go and collect some water and when i got back i decided to have a small nap. tried to meditate and do the whole fall asleep consciously thing but just felt tired and wanted to get some sleep.

so i kind of just let myself fall asleep but tended to stay conscious 'on and off' through it anyways.

i ended up hopping out of bed and just realizing, hey im in a dream, i ended up lying back down and and found myself attempting to project. i was lying on my side and i found it easier to begin spinning myself in circles.

so i spun and spun and really quickly i started spinning around in circles like crazy. it got really intense and i knew this was projection. i stopped spinning kind of amazed at the intensity and then did it again. one thing i noticed was when i came close to exiting my ears started popping? anyway i started spinning again and it was just amazing how easily i could start it and begin the whole exit process. it got really intense and i stopped again.

i was kind of surprised how easily i was finding it to begin projection and also a little overwhelmed by the intensity of the exiting procedure. so i kind of just sat there baffled for a while and didnt end up doing it again. im thinking i must of somehow gained some consciousness while i was in a real deep state of the whole sleep process. after experiencing this i think i have a much better idea of where i am headed in order to begin exiting, when i am doing the meditate through falling asleep / vibrations thing (entering from a totally awake state).

well just thought id share this, an exciting experience!

[polejam]

so i have been practicing 'falling asleep consciously' i believe it is known as a WILD?

well i have been practicing meditation for a while, and had some great experiences with different energies, but lately been working alot on my concentration

it is interesting to note that i have found that staying conscious while falling asleep and meditation are fairly similar in their procedures

it is almost as if they just require a different 'intent', it takes a bit of trial and error to find that 'intent'. which i had a similar experience with meditation

i am making definate progress deeper into the falling asleep procedure and staying conscious, after my experience with almost projecting i have a good idea of how deep into the sleep paralysis, or body sleep i need to be. it is just like the meditation, and i am reaching and progressing into deeper states of sleep paralysis, very interesting!

i thought i would just use this thread to post a few updates of this journey, hopefully it might come in handy for someone

[Psan]

it is interesting to note that i have found that staying conscious while falling asleep and meditation are fairly similar in their procedures

IMO, meditation is a more direct and scientific method to achieve an altered state that is commonly known as OBE in western world. People can get that state once in a while via WILD or what not but meditation is the proper and sure way to get there. Just like any other mental discipline it takes a while to master (=many years), but it is the best way unless you are extraordinarily talented (or have paramis/past life virtues) .

Nice to read your success story. Keep us posted.

[polejam]

yes the goal i would have in mind is that of being able to project at will

would you mind saying a bit more about projecting / OBE through meditation? are there any links that have some info about this?

i was just thinking is it easy to project in a state of samadhi? like it is with a deep SP..

i am assuming i am practicing WILD because i am trying to stay conscious and reach a deep state of sleep paralysis to project.

[Psan]

would you mind saying a bit more about projecting / OBE through meditation? are there any links that have some info about this?

I don't think I'm very qualified to say anything on projections via meditative techniques because I've not YET projected during meditations. I've been lucky to have gotten a few OBEs by chance using the usual tricks just like you.

I guess you already know that there is no single technique which is titled "OBEs using meditation". Meditation is of many kinds, hundreds .....Still, I'd recommend any yoga (except bhakti and tantra) which focuses on energy-body development and mastering the altered states. (or similar buddhist techniques) .These techniques were developed centuries ago by experts who realized that the altered states like OBE were only a side effect of a much bigger process of conscious evolution.

Meditation (yoga or Buddhist) is not focused on achieving OBEs, it is a highway to spiritual evolution, of which OBEs are a minor part. The main focus is enlightenment. It is a life-style, which alters you totally. The main philosophy of yoga is cultivation of intense awareness, so much so that you are aware during sleep and even during death (and afterwards). Once you have mastered awareness in all states of being, OBE is a piece of cake. In fact it is a small "siddhi" which you will soon discard as an obstruction in the spiritual path.

Samadhi is also something of which I do not have first hand experience, but it seems that it is a state of intense awareness of nothingness. It is much deeper than an OBE focus, so I think it would be really easy to "fall" down to an OBE state, if one wanted to. It is not SP (which is only a temporary loss of physical attachment to the body, a hack which one can use for OBE)

I'd suggest that you continue to try WILD if it gives you results. I've found that it is too much dependent on factors that are not in your hand and too much is left to chance. Ultimate solution is to train your mind and body to go WILD at will, which is what I'm after and which is only possible through a yogic path.

[polejam]

Thought I would post another update  

Well I practiced the WILD method for a while and didn't really make any progress. I got sick of waking myself everytime when I would either fall back to sleep, or just lay there feeling like I wanted to sleep. So I stopped practicing that method for a while. Funnily enough I had another experience, I woke up one night and I swear I felt a hand reach down and try to pull me out. I got the whole vibration WHOOSHing sounds and I felt like I was so close to popping out but then it just stopped. Strange.

Anyway I've decided to start practicing again and I'm coming at it from a new angle. I'm going to treat it similar to my meditation practice as in a daily steady practice without 'too much' expectation. What I've been doing is using my concentration that I've developed with meditation, and just set my focus upon moving my energy body "upwards". This seems to be effective and some low pulse vibrations will start pretty quickly. Then, continuing with my applied focus I start to drift into the deeper states of relaxation and can reach the hypnagogic state. This is about as far as I've gotten so far, the deeper I drift into relaxation, the stronger the 'energy body' movements / vibrations become. And I'm just doing it during the day too, I haven't been trying to do it whilst in a 'sleepful' state.

Well I will keep up the practice and I understand that this might take a while. I suppose it's just going to be a practice of getting myself deeper into these relaxation states, until I reach the state that I can project from. Thanks so far for the help, if anyone has any other advice or experience i'd love to hear it.

EDIT: Just found this link
http://www.lucidology.com/blog/101/obe-vibrations/
Seems like this method I am trying should work ok, just a matter of getting deeper into the relaxation. Nice to read a "map" of it too, it says the OBE should come after the really big vibrations have stopped?