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Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on October 18, 2016, 19:36:44I did try the one where you look at the candle (As you recommended to me in a previous post). It work great for my wife. She ended up in the void state with in 4-6 min. First time she ever got there, she was really excited LOL. But for me after a couple minutes the focus point seemed to dissipate. I will be giving it another go.
Quote from: Lumaza on October 18, 2016, 20:17:53 It might work easier for her because she isn't questioning it as much. She is just like, "ho hum, okay I'll give it a go". No expectations, no pressure. Do you see what I'm getting at here" *hint hint*!
Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on October 19, 2016, 01:09:49LOL.... Yes, I see what your saying about the wife not "questioning it ha ha ha!I know I am antisopating it, just cause I want it so bad. I have also had the pleasure of a partial separation.
Quote from: Lumaza on October 18, 2016, 20:17:53 Like Tom Campbell once told me a long time ago "The NPR (Non Physical Reality/Realm) is just a simple shift away. We just have to learn to get out of the way and let it happen".
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on October 19, 2016, 04:52:29It is difficult to relate to what Campbell is talking about here. I find that states of consciousness have a gravitational nature; imagine a system containing only the earth and the moon. The earth represents the waking physical reality experience state, and the moon represents some non physical dream state. As one attempts to jump from the earth to the moon, the gravity of earth affects you less the further away you get. If you don't jump high enough you get sucked right back down to earth, but once you breach the threshold of equal force, the moon gravity will take over and pull you in.From the dream state, I can visualize or "see" a face and it will more or less immediately become a tangible and persistent entity in the dream, there is very little resistance. Visualizing a face from the normal state seems to have tremendous resistance, it isn't like changing the channel on TV, where the face is now your default and it takes effort to go back to not seeing the face.At times I lose complete focus and knowledge of this physical reality, unwillingly, but this experience is not like the void. The void for me has a visual component, what I am trying to describe is complete engagement in a train of thought. Theoretically from this state is should be extremely easy to experience the non-physical, the prerequisites are met, yet that gravity is still there to rip you back down to physical perception. It never travels the opposite way, unless special effort has been made to prepare the mind to the right state first.
QuoteI think the reason for this is because our ability to access other states of consciousness is a physical trait. You can measure the change in brain wave pattern associated with these other states. After years of mastery entering the void, Campbell has developed the neural pathways to quickly enter this state at will. He admits as such, but my view is that getting out of the way doesn't do anything unless you give the ball a serious roll and have dug a trough for it to roll in.
Quote from: Xanth on October 19, 2016, 12:06:42Although, I wouldn't go as far as saying that access to those other states is a "physical" trait, since this physical isn't physical at all. You are just part of consciousness and so is this "physical" reality.The trick is to stop buying into the concept of physicality. Once you break yourself from that, you'll begin to see reality in a much different light and it kind of loosens the hold it has upon you. It's a slow learn though, as it was for me.
Quote from: Positive3 on October 19, 2016, 14:04:13From where to start tho?also when you say everything is consciousness what u mean chair i am sitting on is consciousness? if u can help me figuring out this part i am really interested ^ _^
Quote from: Xanth on October 19, 2016, 12:06:42Campbell just knows the tricks. They're there for you to learn as well.
QuoteThe trick is to stop buying into the concept of physicality. Once you break yourself from that, you'll begin to see reality in a much different light and it kind of loosens the hold it has upon you. It's a slow learn though, as it was for me.
Quote from: Xanth on October 19, 2016, 12:06:42There is still a tremendous amount you can do and learn even if you don't break 100% free away from the Earth's gravity. If your ONLY goal is to break free entirely and land on the moon then you're missing a perspective of what the non-physical is. It's not a "here" or "there" thing... it's an entire spectrum. You are already living FULLY and COMPLETELY in both. You can project and experience just fine even if you never reach the moon.
QuoteThat "tremendous resistance" you speak of is an entirely self created barrier.Campbell just knows the tricks. They're there for you to learn as well.
QuoteAlthough, I wouldn't go as far as saying that access to those other states is a "physical" trait, since this physical isn't physical at all. You are just part of consciousness and so is this "physical" reality.The trick is to stop buying into the concept of physicality. Once you break yourself from that, you'll begin to see reality in a much different light and it kind of loosens the hold it has upon you. It's a slow learn though, as it was for me.
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on October 19, 2016, 23:51:23Agreed, it is a spectrum, I have had enough glimpses of various experiences to place some data points on the spectrum so to speak. People don't come here to accept their common reality experience though, something drives us to want that canonical moon experience. I don't know if gaining it really enhances our growth potential, or whether it is an extension of our addiction to entertainment and desire for knowledge.The idea of flying around my city in the real time zone at will just lights up the excitement of my being. A channeled 4th dimensional aptly described that we are like children reaching for the candy jar until we hurt ourselves.
QuoteWhy does the barrier only apply to the normal waking state? If there was a fundamental belief that prevents me from doing these things, should it not also apply to other states of consciousness?
QuoteWhere does the barrier come from, how can I learn more about it and how to deconstruct it. Are we institutionalized from birth to not be able to shift consciousness, or is it more like Tom Campbell's personal claim that 4th dimensional beings manually shut down our ability to access these states. That would be a externally created barrier.
QuoteTrue, it isn't really physical, however, if you buy into Campbell's Big TOE - it is still a real system with real rules and that makes it behave like a true physical reality. I have no illusion of a material universe anymore, but I still appreciate the construct of a brain and how it affects our conscious experience.
QuoteIf there was really no connection between the rules of this reality system and consciousness it wouldn't work as a reality system. Light and sound machines interact with our real brain structure for a consciousness effect. I can buy that unharnessed belief in the potential of consciousness can cause spontaneous changes in brain wave patterns that lead to new states, however, experiencing non physical reality with no change in brain waves would be an impressive feat.Is there any evidence of a real disjoint between our brain system and consciousness? I have been told that even when we experience completely separate realities that we are still bounded by the limitations of the human mind. It isn't like going source consciousness and returning to human consciousness, it is experiencing source consciousness through the goggles of the human consciousness simulation.These are just tasty ideas, I am always open to bigger perspectives.
Quote from: Xanth on October 20, 2016, 12:24:37Yes, the chair you're sitting on is apart of everything in the same way you are part of everything. You might ask how that knowledge helps you to project... directly it doesn't. Indirectly it plays a huge part in your spiritual development, which then drives your projections.When you realize that everyone is simply an aspect of you from a different perspective, you learn that when you hurt someone else, you're really only hurting yourself.
Quote from: Positive3 on October 20, 2016, 12:59:04So does that mean when i hurt someone i hurt everyone if we are one? or if someone gets hurt i am also getting hurt but why don't i feel it? or why don't i feel it when i hurt someone else that it hurts me ? if that feeling comes from realisation does that mean that realizing may not have such a good impact?
QuoteAlso aspect of me like if i used different perspectives i could see my self in others? sorry for this massive question bombs but i really want to clear this out 1 year ago i heared same thing form you i thought i understood but now i realize i have no sense what ( Being one ; Being same or say like everyone is consciousness) means
Quote from: Positive3 on October 20, 2016, 13:29:33Yes but how we know that decresasing or increasing works that way? these last time i was into a little bit psycology and like i thought what's good what's bad is just our point of view i mean : if i hug someone and if i punched someone what defines was it good or bad, my intent why i did it? but what defines was this intent good or bad i mean :DD oh it's so hard to explain on not native language who says what's good what's bad maybe everything is just same i mean punching someone and loving someone may have different actions followed but in terms of good and bad punching for me can be good, for others bad who is correct? and is there an actual divine truth?
Quote from: Positive3 on October 20, 2016, 13:42:36No i understood that point of view but how we know it works that way?