astral projection new inducing device

[ross]

no i have not bought one, but it seems very interesting i will ask my friends if they have seen any posts of peoples experences with these projections. if i hear anything i will write u

[Spirit_k9]

I've seen stories on the news magazines about this in the past, the last one I saw I think was about 4 years ago on a program like ABC Nightly News.

A lot of research has gone into OBEs and spiritual 'feelings' in general, what I saw of what they 'found' is that there is a particular part of the brain that, when stimulated, generates a great sensation of spiritual being. I believe they said then that it was forst discovered as a result of neurosurgery. What they were doing was trying to remove a part of the brain that was causing a person severe epilleptic seizures, it seems this little chunk of the brain was mis-wired or something.

Before a surgeon cuts out any part of the brain, or cuts INto the brain, they do stimulous tests with the brain exposed and the patient being fully awake. Not a problem because the brain itself does not feel pain, pain is perceived BY the brain from other areas so you can chop away at it and not feel a thing. Anyway, they were stimulating different areas to sort of map out the area they were working on to determine a safe place to cut, how much they should cut, etc.

When they did this stimulous the patient reported the sensation of tunneling away from the body, then wild spiritual euphoria, etc. This led to this neurologist doing more extensive research on this phenomena. He discovered that one area in particular generated these feelings when stimulated.

My problem with the whole story is the conclusion they jumped to, being that because it could be generated with an electric stimulus, that spirituality and things like astral projection must be considered a product of the human mind or brain and really didn't exist.

This is what is known as "junk science"; when some minor research is done and HUGE, I mean H-U-G-E leaps in hypothesis are made and taken as fact just because some scientist or a-theistic group likes the explanation and puts their 'faith' in a leap of logic (ironic, isn't it?)

Anyway, bottom line is that if a helmet or electrode can stimulate this reaction in people, we can do it internally with other means. This does not discount the afterlife, OOBEs, phasing, or anything else.  Either way, that area of the brain probably has something to do with spirituality, and if it can be 'jump started' with a helmet, go for it!!!

Now what this guy os offering on the website is a gamble for sure. I don't think I'd go for that one myself....

[honeyjigga]

Hi everyone,

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I read on www.abcnews.com and www.cnn.com there was an article on these news websites about a Swiss Doctor Called Dr Olaf Blanke there was this article back in september 2002 check this link out http://www.nature.com/nsu/020916/020916-8.html about where he was treating some woman for epilespy in a hospital, using electrodes that when stimulated would give her an out of body experience anyway he wasn't trying to give her an obe he was trying to treat her for epilespy but the woman said she could see her body lying down on the bed.  

Now i know we all know, infact that we can induce them completely by ourselves.

Anyway then i saw a documentary on TV on the discovrey channel where another scientist a neuroscientist called Dr Michael A persinger he used this device he created that is similar and it gave a feeling for what he called the 'sensed Presence'.  he says all that stuff like meeting god alien abductions are linked to how the brain interacts and this device seems to give that kind of feeling. the doctors says it happens when our mind is blocked from certain things and that kind of what happens when we induce it ourselves.  anyway there are many stories we don't have to believe anyone just keep an open mind on all things.

but what i am trying to say is by given you this history now i can tell you when i cam across this website www.spirtualbrain.com

anyway click on the shakti helmet it costs 250 dollars or they have shakti lite but i was hoping if anyone has bought this, i am thinking of buying one or if we could get together a group of 10 people and experiment with this that would be good.  it is said to give you the sensed presence it has been based off the one michael persinger used in his labarotary test, the one of tv on the discovery channel documentary.  and it is said it has presets to give you out of body experiences all kind of experience infact and it can be updated constanbtly through software updates.

but i am not too sure to order from them becasue i prefer going through an online store with secure credit card authorisation and it seems this website is only paypal i must check again, they have shakti lite which only costs 100 dollars but it is harder to use.

the only thing that concerns me i have read a lot of its articles and this guy talks a lot of things which sometimes i think
he is on heavy drugs and he says he has the rights to build this from the creator Dr Michael A Persinger and he says he is some neuro scientist and shows his credentials but if i could get into contact with Dr Persinger then i could verify if this is not some hoax, because when he talks about all these stories it just makes me believe in his article that he is talking weird things.

anyway i was hoping if anyone has bought from him, please check out his website thanks