Clicking Out while Phasing

[leavesofgrass]

Hey everyone. I am new here....no, I dont mean on the AP blog I mean as a human being...seriously, this is my first incarnation so I am a bit of a newby. Ok, that was just a joke...this may or may not be my first incarnation, I am not sure. But this is definitely my first AP blog posting.

Became interested in OBE midway through 2011. I guess I was lucky in that I got "out" of body the first few times I tried in Dec 2011. These were early morning methods and worked great. Ended up in my room, got scared, and then snapped back. I meditate fairly regularly so I am sure that helps.

I can induce vibrations and make fully conscious exits almost every time I do the early morning method. Getting "out" is not a problem....when I do the early morning technique.

Ok, the question. When I do the early morning technique I can maintain full consciousness throughout the entire process. When I try to Phase as per Kepple I seem to be clicking out right around the bridge at F21. I am in that state where I am fully conscious, the body has done its twitching and fallen asleep, I am observing the dreamlike images coming floating in and out of the blackness...the blackness will be 3D....and then I am suddenly very alert and back in F10-12....never having noticed that I even clicked out in the first place. One second I was there in F21 and the next second I am clicking back in to around F10-12 I am guessing. Any comments, etc. on how to work on this would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
When there, practice thinking of nothing, doing nothing expecting nothing. You need to be totally numb to everything that you are. Master this then you're ready to start creating non physical constructs. These can be anything you wish. Sensibility routed of course.
Maintaining this state isn't easy. You should have no emotions online either. This is your creative jumping ground to a non physical experience.
Fear will ruin your attempts or create a runaway situation so conquer this beforehand.
If you can manage getting here easily the hard work is done.
Read the faq section on here for most questions are answered there.
Successful trials await.

[Contenteo]

If I had to take a guess, you moved your eyes to look at something, even possibly involuntary. This action will always bring you back to square 1, well F10 in this case. I have 'clicked' myself many times.

Kepple had a weird tech where he would lock hes eyes looking straight up. I have tried this, but it is very uncomfortable.


Best.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[leavesofgrass]

Thanks for the quick responses. Really appreciate it.

To the first post, that is definitely a good pointer on fear. I used to be scared mainly because it was all so unfamiliar. But after doing this many times and reading a lot on the subject...well....knowledge and experience have overcome the fear. I guess I fall into the Tom Campbell, Frank Kepple, Jurgen Ziewe, William Buhlman type schools of thought....where I truly believe we are consciousness. No more and no less. And so it is our birthright to get out there and explore and learn about "who" we truly are and what the Wider Reality is truly like. Nothing to fear but fear itself.

To the second post from Contenteo. Thanks for the tip on focusing your eyes upward. Its funny because I have read all the Kepple posts (thanks to Xanths PDF - nice job on that by the way!) and I couldnt tell if he was looking up there for a while and then relaxing back down, etc. But you seem to say he is holding the focus up and to the middle (3rd eye region I guess...although I am not that into mystical schmystical)....It definitely does put strain on the eye but when I do that I feel like I am being sucked into myself...into another dimension...and I have always returned my gaze back down because I felt like I was straining my eyeballs and thought I shouldnt strain. But maybe this sucking into myself feeling from holding the gaze up is what I do want even if in the short term my eyeball muscles have to get used to it?

[Little Bibble]

Sorry I'm gonnna sound really argumentative here. I really don't mean to. I just think I could offer a different take. So I apologise in advance for treading on any toes.

Hi,
When there, practice thinking of nothing, doing nothing expecting nothing. You need to be totally numb to everything that you are.

Personally I disagree but then I suppose it is personal preference. But in regard to clicking out using hemi-sync - doing absolutely nothing is often a prerequisite to clicking out. You also say expect nothing. What about intent? Without it you're just mindlessly drifting. Bob asks you to recite an affirmation for a reason. It's to give your exploration direction.

If I had to take a guess, you moved your eyes to look at something, even possibly involuntary. This action will always bring you back to square 1, well F10 in this case. I have 'clicked' myself many times.

Sorry, again. I dont mean to be contentious (or should that be Conteneous) I have to give an alternative opinion. I think there is a lot of misinformation on this site regarding use of hemi-sync especially utilizing Frank Kepples approach. Moving during a hemi-sync exercise does not bring you out of a focus level unless maybe you sit up and take the headphones off (I recently posted on this on another thread).

When you say go back to square one do you really mean from a point consciousness state? Because PC is not really synonymous with any particular focus level (and also unnecessary to explore). You can be in focus 27 and have full body awareness and move your hands without breaking focus level. In graduate TMI courses you are encouraged to record your experiences into a tape recorder while doing them.

I get the impression some of the info on this site lays down some pretty rigid guidelines (at f10 you experience this, at 21 you get 3d blackness). That kind of frontloading is counter productive because it means you are always in a state of expectation ('well, f21 next. Just wait for the fabled 3d blackness'. And when it doesn't come you feel like you're not in 21 and you failed -and probably missing all the good stuff in the process because you've narrowed your awareness down to just look out for 3d blackness).

Without wanting to reiterate a cliche - it's different for everyone. Just be open to the experience. Be firm with your intent (make it present tense and made with gratitude).

[Szaxx]

Hi,
LB,
The genwral idea on this is familiarisation, learning the FEEL of this place. Once achieved the follow-on is superlative.
Have a read, just an example, I've been on my travels since the mid sixties. I hope I've earned at least something.lol
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/booted_fron_a_nightmare-t38134.0.html

Id not recommended anyone beginning to attempt this with fear still active.

[leavesofgrass]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all of your posts. I have read and re-read everything here and appreciate you taking the time to give me your thoughts.

This all came about because I am interested in learning how to phase as opposed to inducing the vibrations and just popping out that way. As I said above, the vibrations are no problem. It is the phasing where I seem to click out. So all of this sort of brings me back full circle. When I try and phase I usually do that at some point during the day....when I am able to successfully induce the vibrations it is always a result of getting up extra early and then going back to bed when I feel that exhausted I need to sleep feeling kick in...almost like you are so tired your stomach aches. Then I go back to bed, visualize something....and then wham the vibrations start and I can go from there. This seems to be how Kepple started and then moved on to pure phasing later. So for now I will keep working on the phasing and hopefully will click out less and less...and while doing this I will also continue to do what seems to work almost every time...the good old fashioned early morning visualization method.

Lastly, to LB..you seem to be pretty familiar with TMI stuff. Any suggestions on the actual clicking out part...ie, how to have that happen less often or not at all?

Thanks.

[Little Bibble]

Lastly, to LB..you seem to be pretty familiar with TMI stuff. Any suggestions on the actual clicking out part...ie, how to have that happen less often or not at all?

Thanks.

I  think if you're new to hemi-sync it can take a little while to get used to clicking out but you'll get a feel for what state of awareness is 'too far'. But then again sometimes you can't help it...I think it may help if you knew a little about what happens when you click out. TMI tell you that generally a click out is because the experience is just too much for your conscious awareness to handle so you instinctively loose consciousness.

I'll tell you about one of my days at Gateway. On that day I was feeling really emotional (it's weird, your emotions can waver all over the place for some reason . Something to do with energy shifts I think. I was crying for no reason and i'm no cryer). In short I was very depressed for no reason and this seemed to affect the whole group because soon after we did an exercise almost everyone reported a dud exercise having low energy and headaches. One of the guys who was a practising Shaman said he felt the loss of energy in the group had been caused by one person alone. At this point no one else knew I was really depressed and I thought 'holy shite, did I do this to the group?'

Anyway, the next exercise was Release and Recharge healing which was just what I needed at that time. Half way through the healing I clicked out like I have never done before (and I've used hei-sync for about 4 years). Normally when you click out you come back when you hear '...one, one. Awake and alert." I cruised passed this for another 20 minutes. When I awoke it felt so weird like it was a false awakening and at any moment I would rewake up. All the other participants were downstairs in debriefing. One I had regrounded myself I felt so elevated and happy again. I guess something pretty major had occurred during my click out just beyond my awareness and whatever that was I am very grateful. TMI say if you click out you wont miss a thing. Although you wont have conscious awareness you'll be getting what you need and that was definitely the case for me.

One of the facilitators, Joe Gallenberger (amazing guy) said during one of his lab sessions he clicked out but somehow managed to retain a slight bit of awareness during the click out and he said he witnessed the most incredible influx of information coming and going from his consciousness like a super computer. He soon clicked back out again as his consciousness was unable to process the event.

On another note - Grounding. Incredibly important to do. Always let Bob count you back down. Sometimes when you don't bother you may think 'well I feel fine' but unless you do it properly (physical exercise helps) it can affect your success in these exercises.

[leavesofgrass]

Hi LB,

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I really appreciate it. Also, thank you for sharing one of your personal TMI experiences.

The one thing that really jumped out at me from your past was the last part about allowing Bob to count you back to C1. I rarely do that...not because I dont let him...but because I use the Going Home Subject Hemi-Sync series and the last track is Right of Passage....Bob basically takes you out to F27 and dumps you off and then that is it...there is no countback to C1. So lately I have been listening to the Intro to F10 track 2 of Wave 1 Hemi-Sync CD again...in that one, Bob does count you back and I have been doing that. So maybe that is what I need to work on. In any case, I appreciate the advice and will give it a shot.

All the best.

[Little Bibble]

Yeah I have that as well. I guess as it is designed for people making the transition he doesn't necessarily want them to be too grounded in this reality. I think the logic is that between various focus levels the difference can be quite subtle so if you're not truly grounded then it makes it harder to differentiate.

That intro to f10 is interesting but I think way too long a count up to 10. Very easy to click out on. The Kepple approach, though good does rather downplay the importance of the resonant tuning. Been a while since I read his stuff but doesn't it just get you to include it as part of the visualisation and not actually physically do the resonant tuning? If that's the case then personally I would make sure you do it properly. I think Kepple ignores it because I remember reading he didn't really think energy building was that important for himself so he just incorporated that section of the exercise into his visualisation. And the same with the affirmation. He made it more ritual of the visualisation so it never really had any meaning (well at least not for me when I approached it using his method). What I've come to understand is that you don't need to recite all of Bobs affirmation. It's way too long and wordy and after a while you do it more out of habit and there is no emotion or intent attached because it's so long. So you can just say the first line then add your own personal intent. Skip Atwater explains how you should approach the affirmation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQc2V-sucEA&feature=BFa&list=PL4139939A411F5C68

I think once you've gone through the focus 10 material a little (and you don't need to achieve point consciousness to continue) then do the first few F12 on wave 2 because I think that is where you will get better results. F10 can feel as subtle as just being quite relaxed so people seem to dwell on those tapes way too long thinking they're not there (bare in mind at TMI you do maybe only 4-5 f10 exercises before you move on). Focus 12 has more noticeable differences so you dont have to keep asking yourself if you're there yet. The exercises that go up and down between 10-12 are also good for cementing that feeling of each level.