Marijuana = Shields down?

[kurtykurt42]

So do you want a yes or no answer as to whether marijuana will lower your etheric shield making you more vulnerable to negative entities?

[CFTraveler]

I don't have the answer and an article and a few voices on another forum don't make up my mind, hence I came and asked the question here.

I am only speaking of the answers I see in this forum.
I see you asking a question, getting answers and then changing the question to something else.  Is it that you didn't like the answer, or were you looking for a more general approach?

[radman32]

so cannabis-use uses up enegry similarly to the way that the AP process does, then it's pretty much an OBE. i heard that euphoria is plainly having an OBE. So from what the article said, don't smoke in a negative environment, but from what i've seen, the stress isn't caused from inside the group of smokers but from someone who doesn't smoke. So pretty much smoke in nature. Now i'm not talking everyday, and i understand the need to naturally balance your life, but there's not a lot of places where you can live your life in the healthiest of ways.

[Tiny]

I am only speaking of the answers I see in this forum.
I see you asking a question, getting answers and then changing the question to something else.  Is it that you didn't like the answer, or were you looking for a more general approach?

Well as you can see i asked some additional questions.

And yes, you are correct, I did not like the answers, I was hoping for something more elaborate rather than bits and pieces. It takes more than that for me to form an opinion.

[newmethod]

I have had years of experience both in using Marijuana & in Meditation etc..

Now I do not use any mind altering substance at all...

Go and read any/or at least most scientific literature on anxiety related to substance use... It will all suggest that both Marijuana & Alcohol use will increase your Anxiety.. maybe at first you'll experience relaxation but it won't last.. From experience, first you'll notice yourself more anxious and irritable when you are not high & eventually you'll notice yourself anxious and irritable even when you are high = trouble

If you are using it to help you relax then choose something with less side effects and which will produce a less mind altering experience...

i believe drugs will in the long run hinder a person's evolution..

Sure giving up is easier than other drugs i've used but from experience it does damage your psyche...
The more you use the more it will effect your energy body..
I actually found my upper back and neck to be much more tight when i was using it than in the weeks following - ie. coming off

Your symptoms need to be addressed by finding and removing the cause rather than through suppressing the intelligence of your body through using drugs...

[Tiny]

first you'll notice yourself more anxious and irritable when you are not high & eventually you'll notice yourself anxious and irritable even when you are high = trouble

If you are using it to help you relax then choose something with less side effects and which will produce a less mind altering experience...


Your symptoms need to be addressed by finding and removing the cause rather than through suppressing the intelligence of your body through using drugs...

I appreciate your input,

however are you really sure that anxiety are caused by the substance itself rather than by the user's own instability?

From what I see it opens one up and will amplifie one's own tendencies, that means that bad emotions would come through more easily just like anything else. It is a pretty known thing about Marijuana that it takes you were you tend to go.
Experienced users of substances especially about the stronger ones recommend to take them only when in proper moods.

I have quite frankly not found any evidence for anxiety being caused by the substance itself. It's very important to consume quality Cannabis because some found on the street are contaminated with chemicals or even opium.
It also seems to make a huge difference whether the Cannabis is an Indica, Sativa or a hybrid leaning toward one of the two.

I think there's a certain discipline of self-control that is required with the openness that substances like Cannabis offers and which most people don't have.

Go and read any/or at least most scientific literature on anxiety related to substance use

Unfotunately many of those seem to be government sponsored and I have not a tad bit of interest in those.


In my few experiences I've found myself both in euphoric states aswell as paranoid states of which both were caused by my own tendencies.

[newmethod]

Tiny,

You are talking with someone who has had about 15years of drug experinces on and off.. Trust me.. i've heard all this before..

however are you really sure that anxiety are caused by the substance itself rather than by the user's own instability?

There are so many studies on this .. i put the search "TI marijuana or TI Cannabis and TI anxiety" (where TI = Title of the study) & I got 14945 results in the CINAHL Database (I've got access )
Sure you'll find some that suggest that marijuana doesn't produce anxiety... but I could probably find some to suggest that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer...

IMO the anxiety is caused by the effect of the drug on the physical & other bodies.. it is the interaction of the drug on the individual... of course.. what else is it..

What you're trying to suggest is like saying "Guns don't kill people.."

The more you use & the more frequently.. the less stable your mind will become..

I wish my mind was as good now as it was when I was 14yrs old... back then it was laser sharp.. I could retrace multiple thoughts to find out what produced a certain thought or emotion.. (yeah i was doing that back then - reckon i must have had recent past lives as a monk or something) These days although my mind has healed a lot i reckon I could rarely do this for more than 3-4 thoughts

From what I see it opens one up and will amplifie one's own tendencies, that means that bad emotions would come through more easily just like anything else. It is a pretty known thing about Marijuana that it takes you were you tend to go.

You talk like a newbie.. and that's fine... but here are a couple of ways to learn... largely
1. Through experience &
2. Through interacting with those that have had experience


Any mind altering substance will produce a drug induced effect... you have control.. sure... you have control over your emotions.. as long as you are AWARE...  but you have much less control than when you are straight

But for me that was part of the game... making it harder for myself

[Stookie]

Pot is pot. It's not a magical helpful drug, it's just fun and relaxing. Some people can't relax on their own and need some help to feel good. They find that spot and start to receive good insights during this mental/physical relaxation. Do not mistake this with a meditative state of consciousness. You've altered your physical consciousness, but it's not meditating.

It IS possible to feel this good and relaxed on your own, plus you won't get tired & burnout & fall asleep, and you'll have much more of a chance of a decent, timely AP. It's worth the practice in the long run. I suggest not getting baked and meditating spun together. They are 2 different experiences and it'll probably slow down your meditation progress.

[Rusty]

Howdy I have to agree with stookie on this one sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

[Tiny]

What you're trying to suggest is like saying "Guns don't kill people.."

That's exactly what I'm saying.

But for me that was part of the game... making it harder for myself

I'm not playing the game. I've come to know that this is not some cosmic evolution lalaland I'd have willingly joined to learn from suffering and pain, you see.

But let's rather not get running on that one pls 

They are 2 different experiences and it'll probably slow down your meditation progress.

I probably have a completly different prospect of meditation than most.

The second reason it shouldn't be generalized I think is because Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica are two most different drugs. The two species produce the same chemicals but in different abundances. You have THC, CBD, CBN, one of em is responsible for the body buzz, the other head high etc.

Anyways, I have found that Cannabis indeed helps with the kind of "meditation" I anticipate.
It is not the kind of emptiness, silent meditation but a more connected meditation with open eyes. Cannabis helps me there really greatly from my experience. It's pretty much a magic tool for me and it has it's potential for the focused user. The problem is just that most people don't have a goal, they ask the substance to control them.

[Stookie]

Your intention is in the right place. I don't want to play preacher and say what is right or wrong, but after a while I bet you'll find that your experience with ganja will only take you so far, like continually being stuck at step 1. Maybe make a few attempts at meditation completely sober, then "contemplate" it afterwards. I bet you'll be surprised on how easy it is to alter your consciousness on your own, especially after your current experiences. After you make that conscious "switch", it's easy to see why the sticky-icky can hold you back. Imagine being completely sober and then climbing through a wormhole into an alien universe. It's an amazing experience. And I'm definitely not a natural at it.

[radman32]

really, i've had the most success in meditating will high on cannabis, and it helps me meditate, and since nobody wants to come over and help me out in the real, i'd rather get my guidance from ganja. Although i've been progressive and hopeful, i don't know how much longer i can take the agony. I think tiny though, cuz i'd have good intentions if people didn't bonk w/ me. and i do believe in seldomly using it, but think of the potential of harnessing it's strengths? i've heard of some wacko possibilities ganja has, like real OBE excrement. so for now i'm going to stay off it though

[Mookie]

I feel that while weed may induce projection, it is cheating...if you have to use an outside substance to make it happen than you don't deserve to do it....however I have had the most vivid projections while under the influence. I still feel like the use of outside substances is a short cut used by those who dont want to put the time and effort into making it happen.