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Quote from: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 11:46:07I see! Well then I'll search for people who can give advice. Good luck with your projecting.You're aware that it's all unreal, right? You could make your own classification.
QuoteIt's not like these dimensions objectively exist.
Quote from: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 13:00:26They don't even exist subjectively, unless you want them to.
QuoteWhat if you see no sense in grouping various dreams by common elements?
QuoteI fail to see how categories can help anybody AP Or prevent anybody from APing, for that matter. They exist for entertainment or dream categorizing.
Quote from: Xanth on April 19, 2010, 13:06:14It assists my Phasing because it gives me a model through which I can use to understand, in objective terms, what I'm experiencing.
Quote from: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 13:12:02Don't you understand what you're experiencing without a model?
Quote from: Stookie on April 20, 2010, 12:40:09I don't know what your getting at. You don't believe an archetypal state of consciousness void of time and space exists?
Quote from: Velvet V. on April 20, 2010, 13:02:19I'm not entirely convinced. There are many states, which we can experience in dreams, or under drugs, or in meditation. To single out one of them because it feels special and say that it's universal isn't convincing.Xanth, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I say that it may be a mistake to think that everybody in the world can experience it, that it exists in common and objectively, rather than as a personal matter, like many other states.
Quote from: G01kur_Kisel on April 19, 2010, 11:33:54OK, so I've read franks manual and it is mind-blowing and most of it actually resonates with me. I get this little yes truth feeling, yes this is how it is. And I'm absolutely in love with the fact in how everything correlates so perfectly and beautifully to the moment I perceive to be in right now where all other materials and books Ive read, with bits and pieces comes together to form your own reality and perception of your own truth. Needless to say the more I get into this stuff the more mind-blowned I get and the more "smaller" I feel, less knowing, lied too, It feels like I'm back in school again and learning about the truth, if there even is such a thing? which is great at the same time it sucks and feels like nothing else matters as the same time I know it does etc etc.
Quote from: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 13:00:26They don't even exist subjectively, unless you want them to. What if you see no sense in grouping various dreams by common elements?I fail to see how categories can help anybody AP Or prevent anybody from APing, for that matter. They exist for entertainment or dream categorizing.
QuoteFollowing any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.
Quote from: indian on April 22, 2010, 11:47:13because I experience something very different than said in books.
Quote from: Velvet V. on April 22, 2010, 12:05:46Xanth, a general idea what to expect leads to imitation of experiences. It's like unconscious dream programming. But that's ok if that's what you want.