[PLEASE HELP] I am still FAILING

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I really need some help, please, if you can tell me how I can just have an astral projection i'd be so grateful. I know its long, but still, please read it and help me.

So I took a month or so of breaks from Astral projection

About a week or 2 ago I got back into it and now so far no damn results.
So today i'm like "I'm gonna get serious". By serious I mean, attempt it 2-4 times a day.

So I tried it 3 times today, morning, twice JUST NOW at night.

2nd attempt: I woke up at around... 9PM, or near it. I sat in bed focusing on the inside of my eyelids, on the darkness. I don't care about my body anymore, screw it, it always relaxes itself, I just don't think about my body anymore. Basically its a phase method I think i'm doing. I focus on my eyelids, and before I know it, a crapload of thoughts pop up in my head, one after another, before I know it, i'm daydreaming. I'm like "CRAP!", so I do the BOX METHOD, which is in Monroe's guides, the Wave 1 or so I think?

I take all my thoughts and let it go into the box, then close and lock it. I then walk away. Okay now i'm back to the eyelids, more thoughts pop up, i'm like wow...
This goes on for...1 and a half hours. I tried the box method 5 times in that process. Also in that process, I tried, the ladder/rope method, triangle method, brain method, and some more. I am now sitting there, ticked off.

I then say, "Screw this crap, i'll START OVER". I figured that the only way to get rid of my thoughts were to start over.
What do I mean by "Start over"? I mean, break my concentration, break my trance, and redo it all.

So I quit, I stretched, moved for a bit, woke my body up a little, and started over.


3rd Attempt: Now I try again, before I know it, i'm back in a trance, pretty quick. I am getting annoyed with all the noises around me, but I try to ignore it. First thing I do is the box method, then stare behind my eyelids.

I try for like almost 2 hours or more... then I just quit, I am ticked off now. Who WOULDN'T be ticked off? I just sat in my damn bed, for 3 god dam hours! maybe more! THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME I'VE DONE THIS SO LONG EITHER!


Now I just lay on my stomach, I don't know why, I just did it. I end up falling asleep, randomly.

Here is the interesting part

Now apparently I am dreaming, BUT I DON'T KNOW IT!
I was sitting in my bed, and I noticed the TV.

I can't fully remember but the TV had 2 reflections, it was so weird. One reflection was normal, another was black n white, it was like that half of the tv was a security camera, watching somewhere.
In the dream, I focused on the TV, it began to take more depth, I don't remember what happened, but I ended up passing out, in my dream.

Before I knew it, I couldn't move, and I heard noises around me, I began to get scared.
BUT THEN I REALIZED I WAS IN SLEEP PARALYSIS, so I said to myself "THIS IS SLEEP PARALYSIS, I DON'T HAVE TO BE AFRAID, NOTING CAN HURT ME!"

So I concentrated and my body began to vibrate, but then eventually after 5 seconds it ended, mainly because I was on my stomach in an uncomfortable position...



Seriously, I am getting sick of all these long, stupid, wasted attempts. I had so many fails like this for years.
Will someone just help me?

[Lord_Dark_Forses]

u almost got it xDDD

and you are complaining almost archiving it? wow, just keep trying xDD

i got out the other day though a dream, and im still trying to have lucid dreams, doing reality checks every 15 minutes xDDD

i wish i could stay in bed like that for 3 hours, but my body gets annoy after 30 minutes of laying down xDDD

i know what you are going through, i have been trying for 4 years, and the first time i got the vibrations 4 years ago i couldnt get out cuz i was not relax and i didnt know how to get out xDDD (stupid gnosis ppl 7_7)

just keep trying and trying, and check where you are failing.

now i do not relax my body, i let it relax.

i do not try to put away my thought i talk to them sometimes and now i also talk in my mind and make stories to distract myself from having other thoughts xDD so my mind is occupied and other thought cant interrupted me talking or just focus on thinking whatever and let it go on until your brain waves are low then you wont have much to think about, then just focus. As soon as you star seen things, and flash and hearing sounds then you know that your body is on its way to sleep then be ready to stay conscious.

just keep trying

[Thaki]

Lol first time i tried to astral project,i knew nothing about it,i just saw somewhere what it is,the basics-no more then 50sentences in total.
so i tried and laid down on my bed,told my parents not to disturb me,and did my thing.
i laid there for like 3,5hrs and didnt feel annoyed at all,actually i was happy i felt these unusual sensations for the first time.Then my dad came in my room asking me if im ok ...and that ticked me off so i bad-mouthed without thinking and later on got punished for that i guess I'd be ticked off laying there for 3hrs with a sensation you are used to,since i was unfamiliar with it,i was in awe.

so, here is something to encourage

when people get under great amount of stress(like in college) they sometimes AP by themselves,its like your body's cooling off system.
basically if you get annoyed enough by trying to AP (YES MAN TRYyYyY,YOU ARE BOUND TO GET IT RIGHT! (youll ap when you die anyway lol)(dont kill yourself))
it will reflect on your life,making everything annoying,youll become a depressed stressful person and it may lead to AP.

basically you try to ap
if fail-->you stress out,tick off etc.-->leading to a *maybe* stress induced AP
if win-->grats you AP'd with own efforts

Also,the same way you ignore annoying sounds,try to ignore these negative feelings.
i like to pretend im a santa claus,with a bad full of memories.they i pretend i come near a very deep sea and i throw all the bad memories into the abbys,saying bye-bye,i wont remeber you anymore,you are not a part of me anymore.try the same with negative feelings.
P.S i have some bad memories i hate-thats why i do the santa claus thingey

Lol i did write a lot of cra$,i hope no admin reads it and get a bad impression of me >.<
anyway thats what i can tell you

Cheers and good luck trying to AP

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But laying in the damn bed without any move-moment whatsoever for HOURS is just too damn much. There should be a faster way because this way is plain stupid and irritating.
You can't expect everyone to be as patient as I've been, let alone even MORE than I've been.

Seriously if you guys can link or tell me a faster or BETTER method to Astral project, that would be awesome.
These current methods are beyond stupid, i'd be better of suiciding....

[NoY]

try this

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/help_for_beginners-t32612.0.html

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try this

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/help_for_beginners-t32612.0.html

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I'll try that method from now on.
I'll start right now.

[CFTraveler]

But laying in the damn bed without any move-moment whatsoever for HOURS is just too damn much. There should be a faster way because this way is plain stupid and irritating.
You can't expect everyone to be as patient as I've been, let alone even MORE than I've been.

Seriously if you guys can link or tell me a faster or BETTER method to Astral project, that would be awesome.
These current methods are beyond stupid, i'd be better of suiciding....

I like Nodes' method, I just wanted to add that it is not for everyone to just lay there for 'hours' and wait- there are many methods of things to do (such as breathing exercises, energy work, visualizations) that keep your mind busy without letting it 'go off by itself' and keep you aware.  Only at the last stages of the deep trance is when you try to 'empty' your mind (which is a misnomer, I would say 'get quiet' and observe), and it's when you're almost there.   And even when you're at the observation stage, you can add things, such as the 'triangle' method.

[Lionheart]

 Laying in bed for hours is going to make you frustrated. If you are not experiencing anything, no vibrations, no hypnogog imagery, no sounds in the first 1/2 hour, stop and do something else. The last thing you want to do is "burn out" on this when you are just starting to learn. Like CF Traveler said, try something to keep you occupied while biding your time. Your want to keep your mind as far away from the physical as possible. When I first learned I found the "candle" technique to aid in this. Light a candle and stare at the top part of the flame for 5 minutes or so, then blow out the candle, close your eyes and recreate the candle visual in your mind. Hold the vision as long as you can. You will find that after awhile it will start to morph and take on a life of it's own. I also had early success with counting to 300 slowly, just entirely focusing on counting alone. This led to my first auditory experience, which scared me immediately back into the physical, lol. But that is why they say "practice makes perfect".
Good Luck and Safe Travels 

[istop2]

hello lionshearts.

- when you do the counting technique, do you just lie in the bed, and count and wait ?

[Lord_Dark_Forses]

i just spent 1h:30ms laying down on my bed xDDD new record. the old one was 30 minutes xDDD and them my body would make me roll over.

but during that time i was imaging that i was in the kitchen touching stuff with my hand and feeling them (i actually did that to do it in my imagination) and i could feel the pressure of my astral body but im not focus enough and i can feel my physical body, or i kind of run out air, or i breath deep and mess up the focus :\

just keep trying, and learning new things , symbol

[Lionheart]

 I never Phase in bed, never. All your life you train yourself that bed is for sleeping. I sit down in my comfortable chair in my living room, close my eyes and slowly count to 300, if I don't experience any "road signs", I do it over again. Usually my first hints of a perception change come as I am just getting to the first 100. I ignore those and just notice while I count the rest of the numbers. The same technique can be used with Mantras. I really like Tom Campbell's "Ah Lum Bah De Dum, Ah Lum Bar De Dum".
Good Luck  

[Lord_Dark_Forses]

"Ah Lum Bah De Dum, Ah Lum Bar De Dum" thats a long mantra xDD

my mantra is "concentration, focus" and i imagine each syllable while i pronounce con-cen-tra-tion. to keep my mind focus on somethin visual too, and keep it away from imaging something else while im pronouncing the words.