New results for my own AP induction.

[Bedeekin]

I have seemingly started to AP at will.

I was actually inspired I think by this recent post...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/aping_awake-t39634.0.html;msg323812#msg323812

It may be too early to give this out as an actual method because I have had years of nonphysical exploration under my belt... but I'm not special in the slightest and I think it will be worth a try by anyone.

It is Phasing... or a type of phasing. A non-visualisation phasing.

Usually I have a nap in the evening at some point, then make my way to bed or lay on the sofa in the living room and get myself into Sleep Paralysis... or the vibrational state/stage... .whatever you want to call it. I've had many many years of this and believed it was the way I needed to prepare myself for an OOBE. It has always been this way. Then I came on here a few years ago and through Xanth was introduced to the meditative 'Phasing' method. This also worked for me but old habits die hard and found my own Nap/SP version easier.

It started on Saturday I think. I honestly can't remember whether it was saturday or sunday. Don't ask why.

We had taken the dog on a long walk at 8am; I don't think this is anything to do with it... I'm just telling you but I think it did inspire both I and Kath to lay on the bed and read our books at about 4pm.

I just couldn't keep my eyes open to read and really wanted a sleep also Kath had already started snoozing. I lay on my side and closed my eyes.

Within about 3 to 5 minutes I was just relaxed enough but nowhere near losing unconsciousness nor getting remotely hypnogogic. I couldn't feel my arms. But not in the sense they were numb... just that loss of awareness of body you get by not moving for a few minutes.

I don't know why... but I just began lifting my nonphysical arms out. And they did. There was no perceivable sleep paralysis. I could still hear Kath and I could also see the blurry shard of light coming through the tiny gap in my eyelids. I moved my real hand. Then proceeded to move my nonphysical hand again.

I did notice that when I moved there was a slight sensation of fizzlyness in my moving nonphysical limbs and very slight auditory whooshing but no paralysis. As long as I stayed still I could move my arms. I decided to get up nonphysically. I did. But no vision as yet. No worries. This didn't seem like the normal Sleep Paralysis window of opportunity thing. As I moved forward I lost non-physicality and had a lovely rush of my hair standing on end type sensation.

I then proceeded to nonphysically kiss Kathryn. I know what it feels like so I suppose I was using the memory of this to create a scenario. It was so real. I was getting concerned that I was actually doing it. Things got slightly more intimate. The more I did it the more I thought "aye aye... Kath must be actually doing this for real with me". Suddenly it faded and I was back to my normal position in bed.
This was a little bit of a revelation. I could literally construct 'sex'. Fully tactile... fully integrated sex. I even saw her face and 'you know what'. *cough*
I decided to stop playing around and got my act together and thought that if I could do that I could just phase. I realised I was in the right state because whenever I experienced this tactility I would return to my original position but in exactly the same head space/awareness.  I realised also that there was a separate 'dream' coinciding with my actual waking awareness. It was indistinct but apparent. It wasn't visual... it wasn't tactile... it was simply a sense that I was involved with some sort of activity. I instantly just turned my attention towards this side 'dream'.

The moment I did... It was like the usual AP but turned up a level. Appearing in front of me and me in front of it... was a party of some sort in a log cabin type affair; like a viking hall. Bright sunlight... crisp HD and ultra beautiful reality. Many people passing food... chatting and laughing. They were all dressed in contemporary clothes. I re-physicalised and thought to try something. I thought "I want to see my Mom" who is deceased. As I reintegrated into the nonphysical environment I spoke out loud. Clear and concise. I said 'Hello!!' ... this startled me and I said "WOW... I can hear my voice". My attention instantly directed itself to my mother. She was sitting across from me at the table. She sort of looked surprised with a "There you are son!!" look on her face. She was so real... so my mother (before cancer had consumed her health) that I just burst out crying. I re-physicalised and realised I was sobbing. I could feel tears rolling down my cheeks. I instantly got a grip and went back to the party. She was still there... I asked her "Is nanna here"... she smiled and nodded to someone beside me. I looked and there she was.. radiant faced and also with this beautiful overjoyed smile on her face. This was too much. I went to embrace her and I returned back to normal.

I got up and went into the back room and sobbed with joy for a bit.

Later that night I tried it again and it worked.

Yesterday... I layed down on the sofa about 1pm... traffic passing the door... not particularly quiet. Again... just got comfortable and waited till I lost awareness of my body... mainly my hands. Again I lifted my arms up. I decided to touch my hands together. I could feel the cloth of my t-shirst. I could even hear the sound of my hands moving over myself. So weird. So real that it's difficult to believe it is nonphysical in nature.

I thought of doing an experiment. I brought my real arms in front of me in a praying position and waited a few minutes until they felt relaxed enough... and opened my nonphysical arms wide. I looked and saw that my arms had gone.. obviously just collapsed from not having any awareness in them anymore... But... in actuality... I hadn't ACTUALLY put my real hands together in the first place. HAHA

I repeated the same method 3 times yesterday and into the night. Each occasion was almost identical. Almost in the sense that with the later attempt, as the experience progressed I was beginning to feel SP creep in. I think this was purely as a result of me getting way past the slow wave sleep stage and int REM. It didn't matter... nor did it change the quality of the actual nonphysical experience itself.

This is obviously phasing using tactile rather than visual integration.

[Bedeekin]

Last night I was constantly playing around with this new state for about 3 hours by the way. I fell asleep once or twice. They were more little tiny sleeps of unconsciousness. I would wake from them after about 10 minutes and start the OOBE again.

At one point I decided to get fully nonphysical because again I detected a sort of subconscious situation where I was in a yard or scrap yard with a few people around me. This isn't a visual thing.. more a perception. As though I am daydreaming within the state I am in... and I am ignoring it because it's not at the forefront of my attention. As soon as I turn my attention towards the situation I instantly integrate and all becomes ultra real.

I was indeed in a yard... wit five men shifting some sort of machinery. I was obviously helping in some way... but because I consciously took over I became distracted from what I was automatically doing and waked into the nearby building. I was in a stairwell that was visually reminiscent of the Overlook Hotel in The Shining... but was completely devoid of any spookyness. Everything was far too bright and awesome to be scary.

I ran faster up this stairwell... each set of stairs terminated in a corridor for about 100 feet then inclined again. There were lobbies on my left that had people standing and sitting in them. I have never been to this location before and was completely new to me. It seemed like some sort of hotel.

Anyway... I ran faster and faster then launched myself into a full superman fly-through. As before I lost concentration and re-physicalised accompanied by the rush of shivery hair standing on end feeling. I reintegrated myself and was still in the corridor. I decided to take it slower and take in the sights and sounds. I notice there was a child sitting in a chair in one lobby. As I walked up the stairs I began asking for my guide. To see what would happen. I heard my voice again... "Guide... please show yourself"

I looked and there was a little girl sat in a chair looking at me.

I asked "are you my guide?"

she nodded... I walked over to her and asked "What's your name?"

"shiabbabahdfy"

"shiababadaffy?"

"florinticity"

"What?"

"bleuritytirn"

Or whatever she said

She latched her arms around me and as she did I became suspect that this wasn't my guide but either a complete fabrication of my mind or she was messing with my head.

Anyway.. .this made me come around and get up.

[Lionheart]

 It sounds like you have finally "broken through", my friend.

Congratulations! 

Now you have a whole new technique/method to experiment with! 

This practice never gets dull. Just when you think you have seen everything, something new and unique occurs.

[Bedeekin]

Haha... indeed.

That's what I love about consciousness. It has so many levels that it seems a waste for science to concentrate on counting atoms and their respective components. They would learn so much more from studying this.

I've found another doorway.

Newbies should take heed at this. There are no rules. There are no definitive methods or ways of integrating with the nonphysical. Only personal constraints to shed. When you think you have it figured... you don't. When you finally think you have it figured however... you still don't.

28 years of constant experiences and I am still learning, like a baby learns new words.

[Steel Hawk]

Interesting. I have a question for you, what do you personally do to phase and how to you experience it? And could you make a 1,2,3,etc step by step generic guide for the technique for the non-physical AP induction experience that you described above?

I'm not sure what I would class my non-physical experiences as anymore. I rarely *try* to have them anymore, and when they do happen I generally know before hand that if I lay down they will happen. Basically, I lay down in bed hoping to go to sleep and within 3-5 minutes I will hear a ringing noise (what I term as "the signal") and if I do nothing I will be in another place but not, and have the ability to have RTZ or Astral experiences depending on what I want to will myself to have. If I stay there I will normally hear and create beautiful classical music and see various symbols. Stookie said this might be Franks "Focus 4", but I really don't know. I'm curious if my "technique" has a label... and have you thought of one for yours? What you described almost reminds me of the "Body of Light" exercises that were done fully lucid in Victorian occultism.

[Bedeekin]

I lay there... and when I feel sufficiently still and relaxed - which doesn't take long - I sort of... just separate or switch over to the nonphysical; turn my attention over to the little narrative running in my head... or seemingly create the narrative voluntarily.

It seems to happen each time I just and close my eyes for a few minutes.

I thought I had a window of opportunity... like after a nap or in the morning where I would feel that the time was right. Obviously I just thought this because I would feel the need to instigate Sleep Paralysis. I will say that I don't think this is anything new in terms of 'in the world of OOBE'. I just thought I needed SP. Obviously I don't.

It doesn't even need a deep state.

Earlier I lay in the living room and thought to give it a go. I closed my eyes and noticed that because my arms were still... I lost awareness of them. Not numb. That's actually the thing that is different for me. I don't feel numb... just that feeling you get if you lay there sufficiently still enough you sort of lose awareness of your body. Anyway... I thought I'll try moving nonphysically... and I did. I thought that it was a little bit too soon because I simply wasn't in any hypnogogic stage or remotely deeply relaxed.

I have been experiencing dreaming nearly every moment of sleep recently. Since christmas actually.

I don't know what to class it as.

[Ellis91]

Exciting stuff Bedeekin, it's awesome to hear such enthusiasm from people who have been doing it for so long.
As for your old method, do you have a topic on here that goes into it in detail? I've seen your scary youtube vid (lol  ) but
I figured you may have updated a few things since making that.

Thanks + congrats  : )

[Bedeekin]

Scary vid... lol

It's strange but when I put that together I had no idea it would have been scary. I can see now why it is.

Haha... Did an internet search for Bedeekin's Method and found this amongst many others. Weird having it spread about like cow dung.

http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/09/bedeekins-method/

It's Xanth's personal site... didn't realise he'd stuck it on there.

[Ellis91]

Great technique, will try it this week, thanks 

[Astralzombie]

I've always believed that AP'ing at will was an inevitable outcome for people who continue doing it with intent. I wonder what the skeptics would have to say about someone who could AP before a surgery with no anesthetics. I know people have always been able to block out pain but this would take that new a new level. Just wondering.

How long are you able to phase this way?

[Bedeekin]

Last night I was in the state for about 3 hours. The actual nonphysical time was spent on and off... maybe the longest being about 20-30mins.

When I re-physicalised I would return back into the environment I was previously in... normally further on from where i left. It's very evident that it runs by its own (my own) conscious volition. For instance this afternoon I found myself at the base of a spiral staircase. It seemed to be the same sort of location as the one the night before but a different part of the building. I started to walk up it. It was all wrought iron and very ornate. Quite beautiful. Midway there was a man stood on a small landing trying to attract my attention. I walked over to him and he asked very sort of suspiciously if 'I was one of those?" I answered "yes" (I didn't know... I just thought a positive answer would glean more info) and he sort of shushed me as though to keep it to ourselves... I began wondering why he was acting so weird and what he thought I was and I lost focus. I played a bit with separating in different ways and looking around my living room (RTZ) and then went back into the nonphysical... I was further up the stairs. I looked down at the landing and he was still standing there... but he was ushering me up in his strange 'don't tell anyone.. just keep going' way. I began ascending and remembered I had set my alarm. I opened my physical eyes and my phone alarm went off. I had to take the dog for a walk. Damn. 

[Astralzombie]

There is something about the man on the stairs that I don't trust. Interesting.

Oh about your first post that started this thread. You might be in for some surprises as I think a tactile integration for you would be much stronger than the visual. Don't you work with your hands building movie props and such? I know that is very visual too but constructing anything is very "hands on". I base this on the principle that people learn best using different methods. Personally, reading helps me the most, even without a solid frame of reference. I'm never completely right but when I have a chance to affirm a belief, I'm not far from the mark most times. Of course, this wouldn't apply to quantum physics and such as I lack even a shaky frame or even a frame to start with. You catch my drift, I'm sure.

It's like you've married you're strongest learning attributes, the visual now combined with the tactile. After some hanky-panky betwenn the two might give birth to a revelation of the ages! Very cool and interesting.

[Lionheart]

 Bedeekin, did you hear this man talking or did you get telepathic messages from him?

I find that some like to talk just like us, but most of the entities/beings I have met like to communicate via telepathy.

[Bedeekin]

There is something about the man on the stairs that I don't trust. Interesting.

Oh about your first post that started this thread. You might be in for some surprises as I think a tactile integration for you would be much stronger than the visual. Don't you work with your hands building movie props and such? I know that is very visual too but constructing anything is very "hands on".

I think this is absolutely spot on. It's definitely specific to how I interpret the world. I use my hands to create visual images... so that makes utter sense. Although I see what I need to make in my imagination I still translate it to whatever I'm working on using my hands and so realise it. A spot on metaphor.

My usual old school method involved using audio 'listening in' mantra. This is a more direct method for me and it makes sense I use tactility.

Bedeekin, did you hear this man talking or did you get telepathic messages from him?

I find that some like to talk just like us, but most of the entities/beings I have met like to communicate via telepathy.

This guy was speaking out loud as was I. Same here. Invariably sentences come in bubbles of information. I found that actual speaking is normally synonymous with some other realities... which is interesting. We shall have to see what transpires.

So far all communication has been done with clear and concise voices.

[Astralzombie]

Wow. I decided to see if this would work for me. It did, but not at first. I've experimented with different methods in the past that have worked but I base success usually on my clarity and vivid recall. Awareness is of course crucial, but the experience is not truly beneficial if it is not clear or I am unable to remember it.

But I have never been aware of actually moving my "astral body" while part of me was still in the physical.
[side note-this doesn't sound like phasing in the "Frank" sense, does it?] I wanted to attempt this since I thought it sounded like a great way to insure a RTZ awareness as I have always had trouble getting there. My usual techniques send me to far off "realms". Anyways, It didn't work and I fell asleep into a dream that I turned very lucid at exactly the right time and then I had my tactile phase. It was stunning enough to make me post this when I woke. It's almost 3am here.

---In the dream. my younger sister and I returned to our childhood home. The home wasn't our real home as kids but I accepted it as fact in my dream. I don't remember how long we were outside the home but a close childhood friend, Tiffany, of my sisters prevented us from going inside. Now Tiffany is real but the woman in my dreams portraying her was not (IDK who she was, but she is important to my phase). I always liked Tiffany since we share some crazy memories, she was wild, much to my liking. Back to the dream-Tiffany was distraught and acting weird. She told my sister that it was time to talk about "it" and face the music. My sister begged her not to but Tiffany grabbed a shovel and started digging up a flower bed that is real at my real home now. I felt bad for my sister as I thought Tiffany was about to reveal a terrible secret that my sister didn't want to relive. Tiff finally dug up a small shoe box full of bones that I instantly knew were from a run away teenager when we were kids. The run away is not real to me in real life but I just instantly knew his story, though I can't recall the details of his story.

I obviously thought my sister was somehow dragged into this horrible tragedy but I was shocked when my sister turned back into a ten year old and had an evil look on her face, but this Tiff and I stayed the same age. Suddenly the ten year old Tiff (this was the real child Tiff) and some other kids came around the corner of the house but they were not aware of me. My kid sister smiled at me and went to join them. They then re-enacted the murder of this teenage runaway. The runaway was overpowered by all the kids and my sister stabbed him with a really big stick and he turned into a pile of bones. They turned on me and the adult Tiff stabbed me with the stick. I started to turn to bones but I grabbed the stick to pull it out of my stomach.

That's where the tactile came into play. As I was pulling it out, I could feel the roughness of it. I even recall feeling like it splintered my hands. I was still holding on to the stick while my body was returning to normal. I gained my awareness in that instance and the dream faded away as did my visual clarity. I was in a darkness but I knew my surroundings through instinct. I have no doubt that I could have navigated my way there. The new Tiff was still with me and since I now had my awareness, I asked her who she was.---

I still don't know who she is but I think she is a real being. I remember when I asked who she was, I had the thought that she was gonna say something else. something other than what she actually told me. What she said is goose bumps important to me so I want to keep that little nugget to myself for now.

Sorry for the dream detail but I wanted your opinion on the tactile phase part. This was weird for me since my dream was very lucid and I had all my senses, including smell--for a second, I could smell the ocean near my home now. When I phased, I no longer had the visual at all but I just knew what my surroundings were. I know you said your tactile phase was very visual with vibrant colors. My lucid dream turned to awareness phases are usually just as vibrant. I rambling now but I just wanted to say that had you not posted your experience with a tactile integration, I would not of have my goose bump moment (at least not this soon). Thanks.

[Bedeekin]

Yes... the tactility is only apparent if you concentrate on it... smells and sounds also. I remember the smell of diesel in the yard I was in.

Most of my nonphysical excursions and from dream LDs are vibrant... But normally I have entered quite a deep state and so it becomes more of an 'event'. My body is asleep and I normally perceive quite a catatonic state physically speaking.

The reason why these new OOBEs are different is the non-event, non-SP nature of them. Being still awake is the reason they stick out.

What is interesting is that most of the time we are trying not to concentrate on tactile and/or physical sensations. These however constitute what could be construed as almost Matrix-like phenomenon.

I'm glad you tried this. It really hammers home the reality of the nonphysical and gives evidence to the simulation that reality is.

[Astralzombie]

Most of my nonphysical excursions and from dream LDs are vibrant... But normally I have entered quite a deep state and so it becomes more of an 'event'. My body is asleep and I normally perceive quite a catatonic state physically speaking.

The reason why these new OOBEs are different is the non-event, non-SP nature of them. Being still awake is the reason they stick out.

What is interesting is that most of the time we are trying not to concentrate on tactile and/or physical sensations. These however constitute what could be construed as almost Matrix-like phenomenon.

That's why this is fascinating to me. Because most methods require us to "tune out" in the physical sense but this flips it on it's head.

I often post about "capturing" the way something feels in the moment. Being able to recall the way a certain experience feels though my physical sensations really helps me to grow as a consciousness.

It's like Sir Isac Newton (SP?) watching the apple fall from the tree and being inspired to explain gravity. A revelation of sorts. I'm sure he had seen many things fall in the past but he was in the right frame of mind when he watched the apple drop so he caught his snap, so to speak.

I initially failed to phase with intent while I tried to work out the method because I had no "feeling" to recall to help me visualize my astral arms working while my consciousness was still on the physical. My lucid dream revelation helped me capture the feeling that I can focus on the next time. It's not enough to simulate the way something feels (in the sense of touch) in this reality. I also need that epiphany feeling to recall. That a-ha moment, if you will. When I combine the epiphany feeling with the simulated touch sense, I think I will see success soon. Make any sense? Very cool indeed.

[Bedeekin]

Maybe now you are familiar with the tactility you can use this to turn nonphysical.

It's a sort of Paradox for someone to get this method straight off the bat unless they know what their perceived nonphysical senses feel like... They aren't exactly like physical touch and sensation.. they seem to be massively heightened.

You can see why I was getting distracted at first with nonphysical Kathryn. 

Tom Campbell describes in his book MBT that tactile meditation can be used. I've just had a read of that section.

I also have used in the past a method of rubbing the hands together and blowing on them. This is also a tactile anchoring method.

But... like I said, usually these are done when deep into a high focus level.

[curtis.fred]

Ok well this is my experience with this method, and i have been doing it for quite some time. I lay down close my eyes. It starts off as really weak images, and the images start to develop, the images feels like there are rate where my 3rd eye is located at the top center of my head. I know its my consciousness shifting to another awareness hitting a whole separate universe of wavelength possibility, because of my consciousness changing wavelength, so anyway. Then i start to try and daydream and create images in my own head, now as the images start to become vivid or more transparent, i am able to start to be able to have a cence of what i am viewing. it is from a first person perspective, as if i am viewing it, now as i get deeper into this state, i start to see funny shapes and constant shifts in that area or dimensions. For instance i can imagine myself in a place where constant shifts and astral partying is going on, the beens in these states are partying to the energy waves, that then give off the euphoria effect of partying bliss, of super techno like feel but way higher, but i am not yet vivid enough to feel the full euphoria effect of this astral plane. This take me 2-5 mins to get this far. Now as i start to get more and more into the effect of vividness witch takes around 10-20 mins, it starts to hit me a full conscious observer of all the feelings taking place. I am in a huge dance room full of 1000's of astral beens of all colors, and colors that are non existent in are realm that i am able to perceive??? They are humanoid shaped. The state that i am in is really shifty, for instance i could be in the room with a thousand dancing beens then , i would apear in a fourth dimentional tunnel then be back in the same room, and also the same room morphing into a 4th dimensional dance room, with 4d shapes and your shifting in two areas at once the dance room and the other areas between the dance room or let me say the 4d area outside the dance room with weird stuff. where you hit the vibes so freaking high that you say this is no longer physical and there's no human words to put how much bumping this party is, because the beens there are getting intoxicated off of energy instead. So anyway as i get into the dance floor situation on this astral plane, or super party place where i hit the most hardest partying i have ever experienced in my life, so I end up dancing because its so brilliant there. So anyway as the party starts to happen, the whole entire dance floor then opens up into a much bigger area where 4 dimensions or spaces are connecting and shapes, and i am going like wtf this is the 4th dimension. So anyway i then start dancing as i start dancing a pink figure or astral women i think, then aproaches me and starts dancing, as i am dancing with her i start to feel way higher euphoria, at this point i am really vivid in the whole experience. Now i have no clue i am no longer apart of my human body, or i dident know who i was, all i knew was the energy going on here and the good times that where made by 4d objects and energy waves that set you off to bliss. Before i got to this state i dident have any recolection of separating, but just getting images in my head then becoming a transparent reality where i can feel everything even my astral hands and body by touch, and also hear the high level music that cant be described here in any words. As i started dancing the dancing was in a 4th dimensional way that made no cence. This place did not make any cence. They where serving shots at the counter, the shot glasses contained a weird liquid that seemed to flux alot and look almost 4d. It went on for much longer, but it will take me 4 days to describe the whole experience because that's how long it felt to me. I got to this point by closing my eyes and following the images and then trancing into this state. Now when i was in this state it felt like i was gone for 4 days partying, time was tottally distorted there. as i woke up out of the state being all freaked out because i thought i was gone for a long time and had slept most the day, i then looked at the clock and only 45 mins have passed. I had this experience 3-4 days ago, and i not making up lies eather. i have also had plently other experiances like this were i can get into a projection by using this method, but not as vivid as this one i seemed to have this time witch was a very vivid state of awareness

[Bedeekin]

I'm sorry but this isn't at all similar. It's an interesting way you do it but what I am doing is far more simpler. I basically just become nonphysical by turning my attention towards it.

You simply can't have been doing any method for a long time because you came on here 3 months ago on October 6th with this message....

"hi new to this furoms i am looking for people to chat in msn / skype about astral projection, i have done it twice i am from

b.c northern canada, i am very intrested in talking to some people in chatrooms/skype/etc."

Then you made a series of posts describing how you can manipulate reality and claimed...

"I have been doing this for years, i have not used this furom to learn, i learned on my own and was doing it before i discoreved this furom i need help changing reality so we dont have to live through evil experiances any more, not feel hate, pain, sorrow, saddness, see greed, see selfishness, see people not care for one another, just evil, all the negative things the ocupy are space i wish to change. I have been out of body so many times i cant count,"

I'm not into claiming people to be fabricating these days.... but you really are taking the biscuit.

Sorry new people... but I simply can't let this one go.

[Astralzombie]

I'm inclined to give most people the benefit of the doubt since my old belief system stunted my growth so badly. I thank God or whomever for this forum as I simply do not have the millions of dollars to spend on a therapist that would probably screw me up worse. But yeah, you called a spade is a spade.

Anyways, I laid back down to take advantage of the state I was in. I'm still missing something. I reached the point that I could have phased but it wasn't the same. My focus entranced me and it was still the same ol' method only I was using a different subject to take me away. I guess in a sense it could still be the same as you described since I was using my touch sense but it misses the mark when I have to spend to much time to achieve phasing.

Oh well, how I get there isn't important right now. But it is so damn cool to do it at 'will' I'm sure. Maybe you should do a step by step only it would read.

1. Make the decision that you want to phase.
2. phase

Good luck guys, if this sounds too hard or complicated, I will gladly try to simplify it further.

That would be worthy of a sticky just to prove a principle. lol

[Falco peregrinus]

Hi,question for Bedeekin,how you standing with your meditation "level",meaning,can you reliably often,say,focus on some idea,concept,sound,image,whatever,and keep it without a "noise",if you can,for how long?I ask because it is my strong belief that focus of attention is essential in these things.Now we have,thanks to this post,a person who is experienced in inducing OOBE classic style,believing that SP is way to go(at least deep state,you know...near sleep etc.,which is something is believed by many crucial to have OOBE),changes his belief by successful experiments,it is quite a thing for me,that evidence that it is not even needed a "deep state" to OOBE.
So if we rule out SP as essential for me what is left is focus of attention,it is crucial,not so much ON WHAT(sense modality,etc.)you focused upon but level of focus rather,at least I suspect.Also concentration (focus of attention)have two sides,active(object) and passive(letting go of everything else),so if you letting go everything you actually can focus on anything,same coin,so to speak,then there is willful concentration and spontaneous,(crucial in spontaneous OOBE I guess),operationally they work like the same thing.
Steel Hawk,yes,I can see similarities with "Body of Light" also,they describing it as a person when master it can do it whenever it likes(like "taking off a coat"),no SP,sleep patterns,lying down,etc.With Frenk's  phasing approach I concluded that is the same thing,actually I think that all techniques are essentially the same,there is nothing really new,it is all so natural.The big thing,for me,is that we have reports that state is much closer and available that we thought it is.That's why I wonder about level of focus,to pin point the essential thing.

[Bedeekin]

It's a two edged answer on that... or even triple edged.

My whole AP 'career' has basically always used a WBTB method whereupon I would have a nap prior to predominantly night time inductions. Then I would use an audio-centric focus. I would think of a noise, word, name etc.. and hold it, repeating it in my head until it carried me over to Sleep Paralysis. Basically a Mantra method.

Over the years having to use a mantra faded into just expecting it following a well placed nap.

I never truly put any effort of concentration into it until I started meditating and trying out a 'Phasing' method that would be more synonymous to Franks or Xanth's technique. I started Phasing purely because I had come on here and wanted to understand it rather than dismiss it as 'not the true way', which is, or used to be the widely held belief. Although a different 'way in'... it still produced the same nonphysical AP that I was familiar with. I still experienced SP as soon as I allowed myself to step into the 'void' but I didn't need to nap. In fact... if I tried to 'phase' after a nap I would instantly slip into the usual SP within minutes of my head hitting the pillow.

So up until last week I would have still said that the WBTB/SP method was the most effective 'fast track' to OOBE... actually.. .not effective... easy. But it comes with the price of experiencing what can be an unstable state. Every time... thousands of times in fact...  I would almost ready myself to enter SP not knowing what it would bring. There is always a risk of becoming distracted by the Atonia.. the pressure... noises and 'presence'. It is also a slightly delusional state and treads the fine-line of subconscious interaction and clear intent/focus; depending on how much hypnogogia has encroached into the consciousness as one slips into full SP.

But this is entirely different. Because I am essentially awake I am completely aware. It's almost like I'm closing my eyes and waiting for a few minutes then turning my attention inwards and finding the nonphysical waiting for me. But it's not an actual 'inward' action because it uses tactility and the sensation of being physical within the nonphysical.

I have been working quite intensely lately on artwork for a film... so I think this has raised my 'meditative' levels somewhat.

[Astralzombie]

But this is entirely different. Because I am essentially awake I am completely aware. It's almost like I'm closing my eyes and waiting for a few minutes then turning my attention inwards and finding the nonphysical waiting for me. But it's not an actual 'inward' action because it uses tactility and the sensation of being physical within the nonphysical.

That's what I'm trying to capture. Out of all my oobe's, i have only had about 10-15 where I was completely aware from start to finishand I knew that nothing I was experiencing was from my own projections and they are usually the shortest. Most of my oobe's are a mix of awareness and control and my own "fantasy" but I still wouldn't classify them as just dreams. The longer I phase the easier it is to fall into the dream trap, where you for one reason or another I lose awareness and the dream takes over. Like you said, or at least implied, when you wait until after SP sits in to phase, we're at the mercy of our tendency to let the normal dream process take over.

[Bedeekin]

I wouldn't baulk at becoming involved in the narrative of your NPMR experiences. These are sometimes required for you to complete tests and tasks.

For instance making good growth decisions like rescuing somebody from a nasty situation with no thought to your own safety would require you to believe the danger... if you were completely objective and knew there was no real danger, you wouldn't glean any growth potential from the situation. This is a completely theoretical scenario of course. When I have been involved with tests there seems to be an automatic belief shroud put over me, no matter how objective I have tried to be. Maybe the 'system' doesn't allow complete objectivity in some scenarios. This implies that there is a 'test mode' simulation 'programme'... and is just a thought.

When I enter SP sometimes after losing slight focus and I have slipped into mild hypnogogia the ensuing OOBE will be more subjective and be coloured with subconscious content. The closer to waking state I enter the more objective and clear the experience will be. This new method is very clear... very objective.

The only time so far that I have been slightly confused was when I thought I had put my physical hands together.