Why doesn't AP/OBE/LD event happen when 1st going to bed?

[Machine1k]

I know it doesn't always happen, maybe in a few cases, but not really for beginners like me..  I wonder why it's the case that we just can't do it, even if we hit the sign posts, or like mine in particular, I can get the vibrations easy just before going to bed, but never launch; funny too because when I get up early to attempt I then fall back to sleep easily (but that is another forum post).

Is this just a mental block we have as a beginner or is there more to it then I realize atm?

[Astralsuzy]

You say you get vibrations before you go to bed.   That sounds good to me.   All you have to do is work out how to get out of your body.   That is the next step.   You already did the first stage.   Keep experimenting and see what works for you.  Try different things.    That is what I did.  I kept at it until I got it.   We do not always get vibrations to ap.

[Machine1k]

Hi AstralSuzy!


From the way the most experienced people who can AP talk about it, they say it's always best to get some sleep first and so that is how i make my attempts.  From the way they talk about it I just never assumed to try and make an exit attempt, I thought it was just impossible that the body needed at least four hours rest to be ready. ... This is where words are more of a hindrance then helpful on this subject. ...

So with this new knowledge I will start doing exits!   I understand not everyone gets vibrations, but as I have had a few APs now I seem to get them every time so they are at least a goal post for me.  Heh, I just woke up from a successful LD with my family, but silly me ran to wake up my wife to see if she remembered anything and she thought I was crazy.


Thanks for the info AstralSuzy! 

[Volgerle]

From the way the most experienced people who can AP talk about it, they say it's always best to get some sleep first and so that is how i make my attempts.  From the way they talk about it I just never assumed to try and make an exit attempt, I thought it was just impossible that the body needed at least four hours rest to be ready. ... This is where words are more of a hindrance then helpful on this subject.

Of course, you can have an exit any time. If it fits best for you and it works, then your really should try to have an immediate AP/exit. No one here says or said it is impossible.

Remember some very advanced practicioners can induce AP from meditation only, which means that they do not even 'go to sleep' at all.  

However, I think that there are convincing statistics that show that most can do this better after a few hours of sleep (or even in the early morning), especially among beginners and those people (like me) who cannot induce AP with a 'cold start' from waking state or meditative states at all. Many books from advanced projectors also give this advice to try it in the morning or after sleep.

So it is not about absolutes (You should/must not do this or do that becaus it does not work etc.) but rather about percentages, statistics and probabilities.

"Sleep first" is still a good and reasonable advice we give if a newbie comes here, as of lately with quite a few, and complains that they have laid "awake for hours" in vain trying to get into trance etc.

[Szaxx]

The main problem for beginners attempting a concious exit when first getting in bed is their body is already programmed to go to sleep. This gets in the way for those who can do this if their body is tired. The subconcious takes the reins and controls the breathing ect, it normally takes the conciousness with it too. After a while you will find an attempt far easier as some rest has recharged your batteries so to speak. Your body still wants sleep and will be given this from the subconcious. As you are already primed, the grip of the subconcious on your concious self is far less. With practice you can stay aware long enough to be free of the body. The subconcious is still acting out its chores and will take care of your body as long as you keep a stable state of mind. Take a nightmare for example, your conciousness is returned to you and YOU normally wake yourself to escape its terrors. This action can be used to get an exit but it's not the most emotionally secure way of doing it. It DOES work. This can be used during a dream a lucid dream only needs you to recognise the fact its a dream and you can wake yourself into a greater awareness state if mind. This would normally be in the void or 3D vastness. You are then free to do whatever's on your mind.
As a percentage youre 80% more successful in the morning or after some sleep. Less than 20% successful when first getting some rest. Tiredness plays a big part in this until you become experienced. Even then it still takes over at times.

[CFTraveler]

The main problem for beginners attempting a concious exit when first getting in bed is their body is already programmed to go to sleep.

That's what I was going to say!
That's why I usually project in a recliner in the mornings- to not mess with that programming.

[Astralsuzy]

I just woke up from a successful LD with my family, but silly me ran to wake up my wife to see if she remembered anything and she thought I was crazy.

The body does not need four hours rest to ap.   You can still ap with only little rest.   It is easier to ap when you have had some sleep.   I laughed when I read you woke up your wife and she thought you were crazy.   

[Szaxx]

As a guide that may work for others with a change of the length of sleep. If I get 5 hours of sleep each night and then up for work etc, an experience before sleep is rarely successful. In the morning it's far easier, the experience is short and not very clear.
If sleep is increased to 7.5 hours each night it's far better for clarity and ease anytime.
In the very rare case when I get 9 hours, the skys the limit. I normally wake before this.
7.5 hours is ideal for my body and I can project within 5 mins any time of day ( or used to before making a family).
I normally get around 5-6 hours each day during the working week. For some it's ok for others they'd be dead to the world in a few days. I still have some amazing experiences and these are more prominent half way through the night. Before sleep experiences tend to fade away and recall is not as good.
I'm experimenting at the moment with time awake v time sleeping.
So far I've been awake for 40 hours solid after 7 hours sleep. No chance at all, as expected I went unconcious within 5 mins of getting comfy. Since then I've had a 9 hour stretch of sleep with slight interruptions and shortly will attempt a concious exit. If I'm not disturbed the results will be interesting. In the morning another attempt will be made if conditions permit.
It should be easy to do. My aim is to gain access to the RTZ which is so difficult as I'm normally snatched away doing retrievals or similar. I can do 2 things at the same time and the challenge is gaining two simultaneous experiences without losing control. One being what needs to be done and the other a pleasure trip to a certain moon (not ours).
I hope for success but the odds are way out of favour. Physical interruptions being the problem.
I'll see how it goes in the next few nights too. Determination is very strong.
I'll also let you know if successful.