Astral Beatdowns!

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Michael_E...

I think that was a mistake attacking that entity like that. Seems more to be a result of your fear rather than a response to neg activity. The being may have just wandered by, or come to share something with you. No wonder he had that 'what the heck' look on his face... []

Remember your invulnerability while 'out,' and that you don't have to worry about being harmed. In the astral arena it's ok to let them throw the first lick- in my experience anyway... Now there may be this green guy with a blue turban talking to his friends about the neg human that attacked him for no reason with knives!... wtf!!! Funny how those fearing an act turn into the perpetrator themselves...

Remember that you'll see many different types of beings while 'out,' and that different doesn't mean dangerous... just different. Different doesn't mean danger... just different. Different doesn't mean 'neg,' just different... Could just be how the dude looks and gets around... green and hopping. []


Here is an example of what I deem as activity justifying 'Beatdown' response. []

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One evening or afternoon I was napping and became aware on the astral plane because I was being whipped. Two astral beings that looked like slim gremlin faced trolls were there, and they each had a long white-silver pole. They were beating me so badly that I couldn't get my bearings straight.

One would hit me in the stomach and bend me forward. The other would come back upward to the face, bending me backward. Then the first would come to the back of the head bending me forward again, etc. They were bouncing me around so quickly that I barely knew what was going on. There was no pain or anything, and I didn't even feel the hits, but they were still jostling me around so much that the place was a blur.

After some time what I call fail-safe kicked in. When I am in a desperate situation 'something' happens and I am whizzed back to my physical body. In a blur I was back in my physical body, pondering the situation. I was furious. ME?? Getting WHIPPED??? I could NOT let that go unchallenged!!!!

I continued to lie there and I focused on where I was, visualizing the place and what the beings looked like. As I did I chanted, "I'm going back... I'm going back..." over and over again. At first it was audible, and I decreased my volume until it was only a mumble, and then only a thought. I soon materialized where I was before, the two beings still there talking and smiling amongst each other; I presume about the fun they had beating up the kid human consciousness in his astral body. They looked up at me and were shocked, to say the least. I unleashed my wrath without fail.

I opened with a flurry of kicks and punches in both of their directions, and they knew they had no chance and began to try running away. I'd go to beating up one and the other would run, and I'd stretch my arm out and grab it and pull it straight back and go to beating the one I just pulled back. Then the other would try to run and I'd do the same thing to it. My arm was like an elastic rubber band.

After I'd beaten them to my satisfaction I let them go and they ran away hysterically. I took a moment to look at my surroundings before leaving. I was in what looked like a coliseum. The floor was white, and the walls were mostly shrouded in shadow. I don't know where the light source came from, but the floor was lit.

After taking in the sight of the area for a while I phased back into my physical body with a smile, satisfied that I upheld my status as an undefeated astral fighter.
Copyright © 2003 by Cezyl
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Take care...

[Michael_E]

quote:Originally posted by sweet_celestial_sounds

Hey Michael_E...

I think that was a mistake attacking that entity like that. Seems more to be a result of your fear rather than a response to neg activity. The being may have just wandered by, or come to share something with you. No wonder he had that 'what the heck' look on his face... []

Yes! absolutely, i think it was a mistake too, but one i learned from so HA! I was soo timid that it could have been grandma jones hopping toward me and i probably would have done the same thing...oh well, i only missed out on the opportunity to have a nice chat with what could have been an enlightened being, ugh, live and learn.

quote:Now there may be this green guy with a blue turban talking to his friends about the neg human that attacked him for no reason with knives!... wtf!!! Funny how those fearing an act turn into the perpetrator themselves...

i know... he must have went back to his homies and started rolling on the cosmic web with laughter at such a feeble attack on him by some funny lookin human. But really, the impression i was left with from the experience was that the green guy totally accepted my reaction of throwing two knives at him, kind of like he was thinking "if throwing knives at me helps you gain more confidence and power in the astral then i welcome the experience." thats why he gave the knives back to me. and then by the time i am ok with the fact he wont hurt me, poof, he dissapears.

quote:slim gremlin faced trolls

Silly little monsters how dare they.[]


I went to sleep right after i wrote the initial post last night and it must have had an impression on my subconscious because i had a lucid and right when i decided to lift off into the air a group of little kids started pelting me with what looked like snowballs! I was like, wtf!! where did they come from and where did they get those(there was no snow to throw back at them)!
ugh those little monsters, one of the snowballs hit me in the face and i got mad and flew at them saying  "come here you little runts!" in which they scattered gigling through the walls of a building and some to a tree. Let it be known, if you little monsters can hear or see this, next time i will stick each and everyone of you in a giant snowball and send you down a hill, how do you like the sound of that!![]

ANyways i have more stories with negs, or just me attacking innocent bystanders[:I], but i like to hear of other peoples experiences too. so thanks for sharing yours sweet celestial sounds, if you have any more beatdowns by all means!

[nthjbam]

This is from another post I made, but it is pertinent here, and maybe you guys can answer some of my questions.

I'm not going to go into extreme depth of this particular experience because it was very vivid. The crux of it revolves around a particular spirit which I believe to be a demon that I had banished. Lately I've been having more and more "double wake ups" which I think are very brief obe's. I'll be more concious and aware, but everything is dark and my first instinct is to get back to my body and wake up, although that has changed over time. But I have yet to project consciously. Anyways. I was having a dream that changed into another dream and all of a sudden this man was wrapping a hood over my head, like burlap something rough that I couldn't see through. The thought entered my head, what the heck was I doing letting someone bind me. I suddenly recalled like 4 dreams previous that I had just gone through as though I was doing what I do right when I wake up, and remembered I had a mini-torch, like a fierce lighter in my pocket from an earlier dream. I grabbed it and burnt the mans hand who was binding me. He freaked a bit, like I wasn't supposed to be able to move or even be aware of anything going on. I took off the hood and stared him down, he first made a move to fight me, but realized I was aware of what was going on, and tried to run from me. Somehow I realized I had to take him out, instead of letting him run off to try again. I found a sword, a really strange long sword that was slim with a rounded tip, one sided and when swung with the dull side it became fluidic and almost whiplike. Anyways I stuck at the man, and sliced his head clean open down the center of his forehead. A spirit leaked right out of his now cleaved skull, floated through the air and 'possesed' thenext body it could find. I was so dumbfounded that somethign had popped out of this mans head that I didn't even know what to do. I started reciting some chinese counter curse, which I don't even know if it's real, to stop the spirit from using it's powers. It didn't help, he took this new body and tried to run for it, but I followed him and he had found a greek short sword and once again after a fairly intense sword fight I sliced his head open. the spirit leaked out and went into another body. I grabbed his sword and went after the third body, eventually fought him as he had stolen another sword from somewhere, and I won, and this time when the spirit popped out, I took the long sword and sliced the escaping spirit in half, it seemed to drop out of the air lifelessly. I was muttering the counter curse this whole time, I then had the thought that I was finally done, I finally got him. I woke up and wrote it all down. I've been having dreams lately with things happening in threes, usually three people that I have to deal with, and usually I just try and escape the situations because they are senseless and I never seem to get anywhere by reasoning it out. I don't even know where to start. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what is going on in my mind? Does this sound like it might be a neg or something of that sort trying to mess with me, or just an over active imagination. I don't suppose negs can get into your dreams and mess with your mind can they? I have very little knowledge of negs and the like. after all it could just be a dream, but it really felt like something more, like a finally had accomplished the destruction of this bastard who had been bothering me for so long. Not just this dream, but for a long time. Anyways, any input is greatly appreciated.

Be well,
J

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

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LOL

Ok Michael E...

In brief at one point I used to seek out 'negs' to battle. This is around the same period as the above named experience, between ages 6 and 9 I'd say. I found this area that was like a 'danger room.' If you've ever heard of the X-men cartoon you know what I mean. There were beings literally climbing the ceiling, looking for a battle. I mean beings looking like you wouldn't believe. It was me against all of them. [:O]

It was fight-time and I was ready. I materialized for myself a golden sword that kind of phased into my hand starting with the handle, the blade slowly appearing from the hand guard up. Then it was on. Slash and dash.... []

Suffice it to say, I haven't had any problems with 'negs' since my childhood. At first, one used to chase me up and down the astral and here-now. Then I beat that first one up and realized I could... Then, I guess for all the ones that got me, I battled any 'neg' that was looking for a battle, and there's a seemingly endless supply of aggressive nonphysical entities that will fight you, and it doesn't take much to find this out for yourself. Eventually though I grew out of the need or desire to battle with them, and I started just flying to higher dimensional planes when I was attacked, realizing I must be in too dense of a realm since I'm being attacked, and the realm I was attacked in was usually some gloomy place... that is unless I took the attack personal. Then I might open up a can for a minute first. [] It seems they're pretty much afraid to attack me now.

For a time I played superhero and would rescue other beings that were being attacked. I found this little girl once being chased by this giant entity. I whipped this 50 foot tall dude's patootie and then brought her back home to her body. I took this little one on several astral journeys with me, in a protective bubble so she could watch in comfort...

Take care. I enjoy how well you keep it light. [] With such a vibrant attitude you should be fine. []

[alt0xFF]

Green hopping guy in a turban? Sounds like Castaneda's Mescalito (as per his second encounter in the first book)

Been eating peyote recently by any chance? []

[holy reality]

Usually I'm pretty lousy and beating "negs" down, but...

this one time I was in the process of having sex with a good looking girl, and she turned evil and gross looking, and said she was satan, and i said "no you aren't" and she like threatened some sort of damnation upon me, and then i asked her what it's like being evil and she threatened me some more... so then I guess... I think I beat her down, but I may have just left... at any rate...

later on there was some guy that came flying into my room.. i'm not sure if he was attacking me though, but I sensed that he was up to no good as most of the dreams up until that point had been... so... I levitated him and start smashing him into the wall a lot....

It was fun... hopefully he wasn't innocent though.

Then another time I was lucid and trying to fly through my ceiling but there are thousands of scorpions in it, so I try to go out the window, but there are scorpions around it, so... I try to melt them with my mind, and they start smoking, but they won't die or leave... so then this giant scorpion guy eventually appears on my bed... I think I tried to talk to him but I all of a sudden had a sword and I jabbed it into his chest, which did nothign to him, and he stabbed me in the throat, which did nothing to me... so I realize this isn't going to work so I'm like "okay, let's stop fighting I guess" and he's like "ok"

Then I try to leave my room because the scorpions have calmed down, but they start following me.. which freaks me out.

[Coffee]

So the next time I fight a neg, do you recommend I throw pretend knives at it, try to melt it,  or unleash my wrath without fail with my elastic rubber band arm?

I think maybe some of us should get together and "spar" in the psychic realm to work on our astral sword fighting and chinese counter curses.  Seriously.

What do you think?

[Michael_E]

quote:Originally posted by alt0xFF

Green hopping guy in a turban? Sounds like Castaneda's Mescalito (as per his second encounter in the first book)

Been eating peyote recently by any chance? []

Mescalito, what the heck is a mescalito? sounds kinda like mescaline. I never was much of castaneda fan, but now ill have to go read that book, or maybe just the chapter, or paragraph depending on how good it is and how much he talks about the green guy in a turban. i wonder if he tried throwing anything at him, i hope not, poor mescalito might start feelin abused.[] In answer to your query, no peyote eatin here, just plenty of arroz con pollo and air ...and probably pollution from the cars.

quote:Originally posted by holy reality

this one time I was in the process of having sex with a good looking girl, and she turned evil and gross looking, and said she was satan, and i said "no you aren't" and she like threatened some sort of damnation upon me, and then i asked her what it's like being evil and she threatened me some more... so then I guess... I think I beat her down, but I may have just left... at any rate...

Thats gangsta... maybe she was one of those incubus. You should have been like "why you turnin evil on me baby?!"[] and then told her to stop playa hatin when she was damning you. that would have been funny.

quote:Originally posted by holy reality

later on there was some guy that came flying into my room.. i'm not sure if he was attacking me though, but I sensed that he was up to no good as most of the dreams up until that point had been... so... I levitated him and start smashing him into the wall a lot....

HAHA! your just mean!

[nthjbam]

Haha, I'm a noob.  I've projected 3 tims all from being asleep, and had very little control over what I did.  I still have yet to project conciously, I'm just not getting it, slowly slowly I think I'm making progress.  For certain, I will meet up with you and spar.  I'd really like to work on my swordplay.  I think it would be fun to go on some sort of demon hunt with a bunch of other Projectors.  That would be awesome.  Just like an RPG, lol.  Except we can all use weapons and magic  Dibs on lightning bolts!  Anytime you feel like swooping by and helping me get out of my body, I'm ready to go.  Lemme know.

Be well,
J

[Michael_E]

quote:Originally posted by Coffee

So the next time I fight a neg, do you recommend I throw pretend knives at it, try to melt it,  or unleash my wrath without fail with my elastic rubber band arm?

I think maybe some of us should get together and "spar" in the psychic realm to work on our astral sword fighting and chinese counter curses.  Seriously.

What do you think?

that sounds like fun, BUT i dont quite have the faculty to meet up with someone in a prearranged manner yet. Its a good thing too  otherwise i would have to open a can of astral wind on you guys[] Also after some observations, i think that the use of intent is more of a good weapon in the astral, and also meer presence i think can deter attacks. From what i was told by a guide in the astral there are "training grounds", or in other words, places where you can go to focus on a specific skill with some prearranged tests and obstacles. I was taken to a flying training ground this summer in which i was inside a very large cylinder with pods that were progessivly further away from each other some moving some not. There was a bunch of other travelers there leaping and flying from pod to pod having loads of fun. perhaps if you are in contact witha reliable guide you caould ask him/her/it to take you to one.

[nthjbam]

Oh yeah, also.

I'm taking a course on AP, and the instructor taught us some mantras to blast baddies with.  I will try and find the exact wording, but one of them is like

Bellilin Bellilin Bellilin
Amphora of salvation
I wish to be next to you
Materialism is nothing next to me
Bellilin Bellilin Bellilin

At which point a wind comes and wipes away everything that is messing with you.  and it's kind of sung.  Bell-E-Leen in a rolling way.  The other one was a way to shoot negs.  Ican't remember the exact wording but it involved conjuring jupiter along with a line of latin and then shooting fire from your hand.  And these have to be repeated 3 times each with conviction to be effective.  I'll try and look them up.

Be well,
J

[Coffee]

How do you sing it?  Is it a straight time beat, a waltz, a mariachi, disco, standard or what?

[nthjbam]

it's slightly difficult for me to sing, through typing.  Bell is going upwards and A - leen is going downwards.  Rising in sound on Bell hitting the top on A and coming down again on Leen.  And the rhythm is like Bell (long) A (short) Leen (long)and try to get the resonance in your head.  Feel the vibes from it.  I get vibes just saying it sometimes.  It's supposed to bring a mighty wind that blows away negs and such.

Be well,
J

[Michael_E]

quote:Originally posted by Coffee

How do you sing it?  Is it a straight time beat, a waltz, a mariachi, disco, standard or what?

You sing the first line like frank sinatra, the second is your best britney, third is instrumental; you humm it, fourth is a gangsta rap line, last is with a kazoo.

[nthjbam]

Ok this one you say three times, if it is said weakly you get nothing.  you have to say it with power and conviction, three times.  While you are saying it point one hand forwards like a gun, aim it at whatever you want to blast the crap out of.  Cover your solarplexus with the other hand to protect against something, I'm not sure what, but I know you have to cover your solarplexus.  

"In the name of jupiter, father of gods, I conjure you, te vigos cosilim.

Repeat three times to apparently get a torrent of astral fire or ray of some sort of energy shooting from your hand that will fry anything messing with you.  Enjoy.

Be well,
J

[holy reality]

that sounds hard to remember... can't i just say somethign cool and badass like "Is it just me, or is it getting HOT in here?" Then unleash a torrent of hell fire on the unsuspecting person? I think it all has to do with willpower rather than what you are actually saying.

at any rate

quote:HAHA! your just mean!

It was a natural defense mechanism [:I]

I love the idea about astral sparring... fighting with people in dreams is so much pointless fun.....

We need to try to create a locale somehow... visualization seems to not work so maybe just whenever we're lucid or projecting just say something like "take me to an astral combat training zone" ? I'm sure one probably exists....

I'd be eager to try to conjure up Steve the bear again (he has a built in chaingun in his chest, though is kind of small) and see if I can make him more powerful... it's mega fun riding him around and laying waste to things... I've been meaning to give him a third eye tatoo that shoots a lazer out of it, also, and a jet pack.

But in order for any of this to be effective I need to operate under the assumption that since I created him, he actually does exist in the astral somewhere and can be called upon frequently and can be made stronger the more I interact with him and teach him things and have him battle negatives or just random hostile people....

Do you all think that's possible? That he really exists now? Or do I need to keep recreating him? I suppose it'd have the same effect either way though, but I'm not sure...

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by holy reality

I'd be eager to try to conjure up Steve the bear again (But in order for any of this to be effective I need to operate under the assumption that since I created him, he actually does exist in the astral somewhere and can be called upon frequently and can be made stronger the more I interact with him and teach him things and have him battle negatives or just random hostile people....

It depends on a few things, such as how much time and energy YOU put into him. It's like a mother being preganant. At first the servitor(steve) must feed of emotional energy you give him for awhile before he can learn to "feed" himself. It also depends on purpose and sentience. Do you want steve the slave or steve the independant thinker that can make it's own choices and evolve.

There's several good articls on teh net regarding servitor and egregore creation.

Xander

[Michael_E]

quote: Originally posted by holy reality

that sounds hard to remember... can't i just say somethign cool and badass like "Is it just me, or is it getting HOT in here?" Then unleash a torrent of hell fire on the unsuspecting person? I think it all has to do with willpower rather than what you are actually saying.

I would say a big fat YES. whats more important is the intent behind your words rather than what you are actually saying. Now, someone from mysticweb where that neg banishing trick comes from would probably say no. In fact i know, most of the teachers there would say that you should say the phrases word for word with strength for it to work which is true but its the strength that makes it work not the words. I tested this out myself while in astral against a real neg not like one of the other more playful ones i posted about earlier. said the whole bellilin thing word for word without intent to get the neg to leave and of course he went nowhere, then i said something else, a one word statement with authority and intent to get this neg to leave and *poof* he dissapeared. what i found most interesting was that when i told mystic web about this they assured me that i was confused or incorrect or not in the astral and that i shouldnt use my own words to manifest strength i should use thiers[].

quote: It was a natural defense mechanism [:I]

absolutely! the funny thing is that astral violence is completely pointless from the stand point of causing some actual harm to whoever is wierding ya out. but psychologically beating someone down there who is trying to oppress you can have a positive effect on your confidence. I believe sooner or later the violence response to negs can be abandoned

quote:I love the idea about astral sparring... fighting with people in dreams is so much pointless fun.....

yep completely pointless fun playtime.[]

quote:We need to try to create a locale somehow... visualization seems to not work so maybe just whenever we're lucid or projecting just say something like "take me to an astral combat training zone" ? I'm sure one probably exists....

probably. the thing is we all have different ideas of what an astral training zone could be like. so if we were to create a locale i would think it would have to be standardized.

quote:Do you all think that's possible? That he really exists now? Or do I need to keep recreating him? I suppose it'd have the same effect either way though, but I'm not sure...

Im not too sure how that would work, but i would think you would have to create something like that in the astral, or maybe out of your own astral substance while awake. i really have no idea though ive never tried making something like that.

[holy reality]

well I haven't looked for Steve too much, I'm guessing he's gone, though I did attempt to give him free will when I created him, with restrictions on that he is not to hurt others unless they are hurting me or I tell him to.

Umm....

So anyway two nights ago I attempted to go to astral pulse island again, and I met some guy, I don't know who, or what he looked like, but he took me inside the pyramid, which was both cool and creepy at the same time.

I encountered this armed skeleton much like something out of an MMORPG, and he threw a knife and axe at me, both hitting my leg.... so I somehow conjured up an axe and chucked it at him and it broke him into pieces...

we went deeper into the pyramid and there goes my arachnaphobia insintct that being in dark enclosed spaces and/or caves is not good and there might be giant spiders...

so sure enough, we encountered one... well.. I wasn't sure what to do, it was just sitting there on a fake looking web, and I was determined to not be afraid of it... I said something and waved my hands and shot fire at it and such, and it was burning, just kind of sitting there.... but it wasn't dying (probably because I was nervous) and I was afraid there were going to be more spiders deeper in so I aborted the dream and forced myself awake, only I ended up in paralysis and felt spider legs on me, which I knew wasn't real and forced myself fully awake....



stupid spiders... oh yeah one more thing while the skeleton was falling apart some random wolf looking creature ran up and devoured it, it seemed like he was on my side, but he disappeared.

[Michael_E]

Negs like fear, especially ours, sometimes its good to just get mad and kick some astral booty! So, who out there has a story to share about a silly neg makin a mistake trying to creep you out? Ill start out with one:

I woke up in a dream in which i was in what looked like India outside of what looked like a temple. While i was floating up a path to the temple a green guy with a blue turban was hopping like a flea in my direction!! I was quite timid at the time( and still am) and automatically assumed it was a neg coming to get me. This funny lookin green guy is getting closer and closer so i threw two knifes at him while he was in mid air, both struk him and he stopped in mid air wherer the knives had hit him with a look like "what the heck is this guy doing to me?". He comes down, takes the knives in his hand and starts walking toward me with a smile, meanwhile im thinking "oooohh s***". Because he was smiling i didnt get too scared to attack him again, but he took my hand and gave the knives back to me with a nice smile and dissapeared. *poof*