Astral Cheating?

[Psilibus]

Read "My Platonic Sweetheart" by Mark Twain. It may influence your feelings about these relationships.

http://www.searchwithin.org/download/my_platonic_sweetheart.pdf

Or it's just a cute tale. Either way I have always said "if it feels good, do it; if it doesn't, don't."

[The Doctor]

I've decided to let her do what she wants in the astral. I have her in the physical, and I love her more than anything in the world. And I know she loves me too, that is all I need.

I don't believe she is comfortable with too many romantic words, but I see she loves me in her actions and other things. I believe in us.

[AstralBeginnings]

Aww you big soppy blanket!

If its worth fighting for then stick with it, however I would certainly be questioning her motivations.  Also, I see "The Astral" as just an extension of our physical reality, I think Frank called it "Wider Reality" and I agree with this term.  Its all real, physical or not (IMO) and I would certainly not be happy about my wife doing what you describe in Physical or non-Physical REALITY.

[David Warner]

Just had to jump into and out my .2 into this discussion.....
Plus, it has been awhile so it will be good to start posting again!

Anyways, from reading previous posts in this thread is it cheating during the obe? I tend to feel from experience is that if that is your prime reason for leaving the body "yes" it is indeed cheating.

This is a touchy matter because everyone has their beliefs and different perspectives. I think the best way to look at this is: what you feel inside, is it hurting your healthy physical relationship, and most of all the energy - does it feel positive or negative. You have to make it clear with your significant other what is happening.

Anytime when you have a commitment between two physical beings (man/woman) and there is a bond, strength and love. Then a outside influence comes into play - then we react to competition, what does that person have that I don't etc.. The energy itself turns dark and negative which there is now pain.

Imagine this if you may, lets say you found out that your other was having a relationship with a blow up doll. Fantasy or not, mental or physical it will put a strain on the relationship if the other does not approve.

We don't need to look at religion to says it's conformity to prove right or wrong. Just observe the reactions of what your other accept or not.

I have been OBE so many times and in my earlier years, wasted so much energy of trying to "score" then focusing on the big pictures and that is "Love".


Tvos

[The Doctor]

Aww you big soppy blanket!

If its worth fighting for then stick with it, however I would certainly be questioning her motivations.  Also, I see "The Astral" as just an extension of our physical reality, I think Frank called it "Wider Reality" and I agree with this term.  Its all real, physical or not (IMO) and I would certainly not be happy about my wife doing what you describe in Physical or non-Physical REALITY.

Is this the case even if the entities are Focus 2 fictional characters from videogames and TV shows? Or does that count more as her fantasy rather than reality?

I will never be truly comfortable with her having astral relationships. Not ever. But is it worth losing her over? Absolutely not. Nobody has touched my heart the way she has. And I want to hold on to that, always and forever. Until the day I die.

[soli]

Is this the case even if the entities are Focus 2 fictional characters from videogames and TV shows? Or does that count more as her fantasy rather than reality?

There is no such thing as "fantasy" in that regard, the fictional characters are somewhere in f2oC in a place reserved for her, however only she can subjectively experience them. Thus, they are only "real" to the one who is able to subjectively experience them, whilst everyone else has to subjectively experience her subjective experiences through what is said by her. If they were objectively subjective experiences, then, they would be more to your "reality".

[AstralBeginnings]

Is this the case even if the entities are Focus 2 fictional characters from videogames and TV shows? Or does that count more as her fantasy rather than reality?

Its all reality in my opinion.  Just  because you cant experience her F2, doesnt make it any less real.

[missym]

Its all reality in my opinion.  Just  because you cant experience her F2, doesnt make it any less real.

Well said.

[The Doctor]

Then perhaps I am inferior.  Maybe I should just... die.

[Xanth]

Then perhaps I am inferior.  Maybe I should just... die.

How exactly did you come to that conclusion?

~Ryan

[The Doctor]

Because she is crazy about these fictional men but ... I mean she gets into a hyper happy state whenever they are around her or say something nice to her but me.. when i do it... nothing.

[Arkwind]

If the person is a regular astral projector, this boils down to your belief, because in their opinion these are real external entities, so they have the mentality to cheat because they are having relations outside of their physical relationships. If they believe they are only exploring the depths of there own consciousness its the same as imagining a fictional situation because it uses the same part of the brain, except instead of experimenting the fantasy in their minds eye they experience it with the physical senses.

[CFTraveler]

Then perhaps I am inferior.  Maybe I should just... die.

How does "she prefers someone else to you (physical or nonphysical)" translate into  "I should die"?

[Psilibus]

I'm sorry to butt in but...

Are you sure she's not just teasing you, you know, like a jealousy game? Cuz, in all my years I have never heard of someone religiously practicing "astral sex". Just sayin', that really is kinda weird.

Arkwinds post was interesting...

Is this bothering you just cuz of the "cheating" aspect or is this because she is now too distracted to show you the attention you desire? If so, sounds like a hot rock needs to drop. If I sought out "astral sex" as she apparently does, I would have no reason to tell my significant other. Why would I? I would just enjoy the best of both worlds and keep my mouth shut. Who would know?

Lots and lots of fish in the sea (I love saying that).

I had to chime in.

[The Doctor]

  How does "she prefers someone else to you (physical or nonphysical)" translate into  "I should die"?

Because my life is meaningless without her.

[The Doctor]

Are you sure she's not just teasing you, you know, like a jealousy game? Cuz, in all my years I have never heard of someone religiously practicing "astral sex". Just sayin', that really is kinda weird.

I believed this too at first. But she tells me she has husbands, boyfriends and fiance's in these fictional worlds and even LOTS of kids. And she tells me this all the time. And she even has the nerve to tell me that these characters love her more than I ever could. How is this right? I have also occasionally spoken to her children through her. How is this possible? Is it an act?

And as if that isn't enough I spoke to someone else through her. He turned out to be a son she hasn't even had yet. Another son. In another plane again. A plane of a videogame I ONCE used to love. Now I can't even bare to look at it anymore. My childhood destroyed in a simple 5 minutes.

[AstralBeginnings]

Listen, mate.  You need to get a grip.  Sorry to be so blunt but take a look at what you are saying.  Dont ever let a woman make you feel like you want to die.  You might think you love her THAT much, but trust me you dont.

Im guessing by what you are saying that you are fairly young?  I know you may not see the relevance of your age if you are indeed young then this may seem really hard to accept but this is part of life.  Trust me, I have had faaar worse issues with a woman than you are having now, but it passes and things get better.  Now ive never been happier.  Whether or not you end up with this person is irrelevant, even though it seems like your whole life, its all part of learning and progressing.  Learn from it what you can and move on.

[Xanth]

Listen, mate.  You need to get a grip.  Sorry to be so blunt but take a look at what you are saying.  Dont ever let a woman make you feel like you want to die.  You might think you love her THAT much, but trust me you dont.

Im guessing by what you are saying that you are fairly young?  I know you may not see the relevance of your age if you are indeed young then this may seem really hard to accept but this is part of life.  Trust me, I have had faaar worse issues with a woman than you are having now, but it passes and things get better.  Now ive never been happier.  Whether or not you end up with this person is irrelevant, even though it seems like your whole life, its all part of learning and progressing.  Learn from it what you can and move on.

THIS...
This is the best advice I've heard. 

~Ryan

[Naykid]

Listen, mate.  You need to get a grip.  Sorry to be so blunt but take a look at what you are saying.  Dont ever let a woman make you feel like you want to die.  You might think you love her THAT much, but trust me you dont.

Im guessing by what you are saying that you are fairly young?  I know you may not see the relevance of your age if you are indeed young then this may seem really hard to accept but this is part of life.  Trust me, I have had faaar worse issues with a woman than you are having now, but it passes and things get better.  Now ive never been happier.  Whether or not you end up with this person is irrelevant, even though it seems like your whole life, its all part of learning and progressing.  Learn from it what you can and move on.

+1   

[CFTraveler]

Me 2.
Sounds like she is messing with you, and frankly, you sound like you're easy to be messed with.

[Capt. Picard]

Dude, try your first relationship getting cheated on for the whole time (3 years, with actual people not astral characters) and then tell me your dealing with issues. I can tell you with full confidence that this girl will not be a long term issue for you unless you make it one. At the time you worry about losing her but when shes gone you'd be surprised how quickly the pain passes. Someday youre gonna look back and wish you didn't allow yourself to be stepped on like this, trust me, your not really losing anything when someone who hurts your feelings is out of your life.

[AstralBeginnings]

Dude, try your first relationship getting cheated on for the whole time (3 years, with actual people not astral characters) and then tell me your dealing with issues. I can tell you with full confidence that this girl will not be a long term issue for you unless you make it one. At the time you worry about losing her but when shes gone you'd be surprised how quickly the pain passes. Someday youre gonna look back and wish you didn't allow yourself to be stepped on like this, trust me, your not really losing anything when someone who hurts your feelings is out of your life.

Exactly.

[missym]

Love is a very very strong emotion. But do not make the direct link between love and her. Relationships are hard work, requiring agreements and respect between both parties; and requiring each individual to make sacrifices. Without these, a relationship will not work.. no matter how much you love somebody, it's not always enough. Even if you leave her or she leaves you, don't think that you can never love again, or cannot continue on living without her. You can and will find somebody who will adore you, respect you and love you as much as you love them. Somebody who is amazing and who makes your heart jump everytime you hear their voice. The person who would do anything for you.
I don't want to sound rude, but if she is going to other men(in other dimensions or not) then it sounds as though she is not satisfied with what she has with you.. this is not your fault. You sound like a very loving, emotional, caring person. But you cannot force somebody to feel or want to feel something she does not..
And It will be okay.
It might be hard, you may cry, you may be depressed.. but life will go on. The sun will become brighter; the days will become happier. You don't have to put yourself through this for somebody who is not worth your pain.

Don't say that you may as well not be alive - don't give her that kind of power over you. You are strong and you can do this. Everything will be okay.. it just takes time. Time to think and time to heal.. Why not take some time to yourself, get to know yourself inside and out. Take a trip, make some discoveries - visit the Grand Canyon; or Florida. Swim in the Ocean, dive with dolphins. Take a ride in a hot air balloon..
In the end, we are all really only bonded to ourselves. You have the power to overcome anything - we all do. We were born with it, the ability to heal any wound. We just need to remember this.. and everything will be okay.

*big hugs*

[The Doctor]

I recently spoke to a Demonologist expert who tells me he believes this to be something completely different. He doesn't believe that she is AP'ing at all. When she was young she was exorcised of a demon several times and the Demonologist tells me what she is experiencing now could either be damage from the past exorcisms or possibly a demonic possession itself. He also believes she could even still be possessed. He also said its possible that an Incubus is feeding off her of sorts, appearing to her in the form of fictional characters to use her. And naturally, she would believe them to be the characters and not the demon. Is this possible? I am fully aware of the existance of demons, and this does seem to make a form of sense to me. Could it be? The people I speak to though her... could they be the demon? Or her imagination as a result of a damaged exorcism?

[sola~]

why don't you just stop making things up