Can Anyone Help Me?

[c0sm0nautt]

This thread helped me out a lot! I suppose I'm always trying to objectify my experiences. I believe that we are all a part of one Unitary consciousness, so perhaps these experience are so subjective because that is the only way they can be. Does that make sense? It's like we are given the opportunity to rediscover our true nature through the game of life. What do you guys think?

How about guides? I had an experience where I asked to see my spirit guide and all of a sudden an array of White butterfly's flew around me and two landed on my finger. The experience left me in awe when I awoke. Do such beings have any autonomy? 

[NickisDank]

I just received an email from the owner of http://astralprojectnow.com/, Abhi. And he gave me this statement asking this before hand.

I stated "So out of everything you have covered, can you please tell me ifAstral projecting and lucid dreaming are the same, it's just different levels of awareness."

he said back

"AP and LD are not the same. LD happens within our minds and seems very real. But AP is actually real and happens on the Astral plane.  During most LDs, you are already out of your body, but you are not aware of it yet. And that is the reason it is so easy to induce an AP from an LD"

This got me back to confusion. I said i dont understand, i thought the difference was just levels of awareness, in which when your lucid dreaming and you become aware its different from astral projecting and having the full awareness. Which is the only thing that differs the two.

[Xanth]

I just received an email from the owner of http://astralprojectnow.com/, Abhi. And he gave me this statement asking this before hand.

I stated "So out of everything you have covered, can you please tell me ifAstral projecting and lucid dreaming are the same, it's just different levels of awareness."

he said back

"AP and LD are not the same. LD happens within our minds and seems very real. But AP is actually real and happens on the Astral plane.  During most LDs, you are already out of your body, but you are not aware of it yet. And that is the reason it is so easy to induce an AP from an LD"

This got me back to confusion. I said i dont understand, i thought the difference was just levels of awareness, in which when your lucid dreaming and you become aware its different from astral projecting and having the full awareness. Which is the only thing that differs the two.

I feel it's that level of conscious awareness that most people misinterpret when they try to define their experiences, just as this gentleman has done.  He's misinterpreting the two states as one being "in the mind" and the other being "in the astral".  I can TOTALLY understand how someone would do that... especially when people are trying to explain this condition by EXTERNALIZING it.

I stand by my opinion 100% in saying that Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections are the same thing and what differentiates them is how consciously aware you are DURING them.  They are states of mind that you ARE, not something you DO.

In any case, understanding what they are is secondary to actually experiencing them personally.  So just get out there and have the experiences... that's more important.

[NickisDank]

I feel it's that level of conscious awareness that most people misinterpret when they try to define their experiences, just as this gentleman has done.  He's misinterpreting the two states as one being "in the mind" and the other being "in the astral".  I can TOTALLY understand how someone would do that... especially when people are trying to explain this condition by EXTERNALIZING it.

I stand by my opinion 100% in saying that Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections are the same thing and what differentiates them is how consciously aware you are DURING them.  They are states of mind that you ARE, not something you DO.

In any case, understanding what they are is secondary to actually experiencing them personally.  So just get out there and have the experiences... that's more important.

Ok, because i feel the exact same way. Its just he got me confused because he said that your out of your body in both of them but then ones in your mind? lol i just didnt get it at all

[NickisDank]

And I have another question, everytime you project let's say, at your house in your bed. Every astral experience starts there. Pretty much you can't project and then totally be somewhere away from your room. Right?

[CFTraveler]

Sometimes you can.  That's what phasing is all about.  Remember what entanglement is?  Your energy body can be compared to the concept- you can perceive "here" and "there" at the same time, so the exit can be to your room or somewhere else.  Only "somewhere else" may not be 'local', it can also be 'nonlocal' or 'supralocal'- depending on what your conscious awareness tunes into.

[NickisDank]

Ive been reading back on a few posts and i should of worded some of my questions better.

But so anytime your dreaming are you on the astral but just not aware? its not till you project or have a lucid dream till you know your on the astral.

And another question, when your doing the Float Up technique to leave your body, do you imagine yourself getting closer to your ceiling or do you just imagine yourself floating out slowly in third person?

[Xanth]

Ive been reading back on a few posts and i should of worded some of my questions better.

But so anytime your dreaming are you on the astral but just not aware?

That's my opinion, yes.
I prefer using the word "non-physical" though... you're in the non-physical, but are unaware of that.

And another question, when your doing the Float Up technique to leave your body, do you imagine yourself getting closer to your ceiling or do you just imagine yourself floating out slowly in third person?

Whichever works best for you.  All of those scenarios should be fine... I'm sure someone else will correct me otherwise. 

[NickisDank]

That's my opinion, yes.
I prefer using the word "non-physical" though... you're in the non-physical, but are unaware of that.
Whichever works best for you.  All of those scenarios should be fine... I'm sure someone else will correct me otherwise.  

edt

[Xanth]

Right now?
Mostly just fly around... omg, I love flying.

[NickisDank]

Right now?
Mostly just fly around... omg, I love flying.

hahahah nvm i typed that wrong lol

i meant WHAT do you do to project

[Xanth]

hahahah nvm i typed that wrong lol

i meant WHAT do you do to project

I convert my lucid dreams into astral projections.
I'm still working on conscious exits through Phasing (mental rundown method)... I just don't get anytime to practice.
That's why I've been working on increasing the frequency of my lucid dreams instead.

[CFTraveler]

And another question, when your doing the Float Up technique to leave your body, do you imagine yourself getting closer to your ceiling or do you just imagine yourself floating out slowly in third person?

Neither.  Have you ever been on an elevator, or a hot air balloon, or floated up from the bottom of a pool to the surface?  Recreate the feeling, don't imagine anything happening outside of yourself. 

[NickisDank]

Neither.  Have you ever been on an elevator, or a hot air balloon, or floated up from the bottom of a pool to the surface?  Recreate the feeling, don't imagine anything happening outside of yourself. 

So am I mentally trying to picture something, or just feel like
I'm doing it

[Naykid]

Neither.  Have you ever been on an elevator, or a hot air balloon, or floated up from the bottom of a pool to the surface?  Recreate the feeling, don't imagine anything happening outside of yourself. 

These are great analogies!!!  I mean, floating feels exactly like you'd expect.  Floating.

NID: I don't think I can explain it any better than what CF did.  You recreate the feeling of floating up.  OH wait.. something just popped into my head.  I don't know if anyone on here has done this but when I was a kid we used to have this thing where you would stand inside a door frame and stretch each arm out, and flattened the back of each hand on the door frame.  You push with all your might and hold that for a good thirty seconds or more and then drop your arms back down to your side.  If you've done this correct both of your arms will slowly rise up on their own accord.  It's a really cool feeling, a floating feeling.    Try this NID and imagine that feeling on your whole body next time you try for an exit.

Hope that helps you. 

[Xanth]

So am I mentally trying to picture something, or just feel like I'm doing it

Feel like you're doing it.
If you have to, ride in an elevator a few times and MEMORIZE every sensation, every feeling that occurs.
Then duplicate those feelings and sensations when you practice. 

[CFTraveler]

These are great analogies!!!  I mean, floating feels exactly like you'd expect.  Floating.

NID: I don't think I can explain it any better than what CF did.  You recreate the feeling of floating up.  OH wait.. something just popped into my head.  I don't know if anyone on here has done this but when I was a kid we used to have this thing where you would stand inside a door frame and stretch each arm out, and flattened the back of each hand on the door frame.  You push with all your might and hold that for a good thirty seconds or more and then drop your arms back down to your side.  If you've done this correct both of your arms will slowly rise up on their own accord.  It's a really cool feeling, a floating feeling.    Try this NID and imagine that feeling on your whole body next time you try for an exit.

Hope that helps you. 

I'm going to go do that right now.

[Naykid]

   Did you do it?  It's soooo neat!  make sure you hold the pressure for a good amount of time for it to work really well.

[CFTraveler]

It didn't work for me, but neither did the other trick I used to do (lay on the floor and putting your arms parallel to the floor about an inch, and holding it for a while- when you finally let go the arms feel like they're going through the ground.
Maybe my brain got used to those types of brain tricks or something.

[personalreality]

it worked for me.  neat.

dank,

i like to visualize myself either falling down a bottomless pit or riding a rollercoaster from the moon to the earth.  i usually use the roller coaster one cause i can make it take as long as i need too.

[NickisDank]

Do you guys think just visualizing yourself floating to your ceiling is good enough? or is that bad because theres a point where it just stops lol aka the ceiling.

[Naykid]

I think you might be over thinking it now.  I think you should take the suggestions and go from there. 

[NickisDank]

I think you might be over thinking it now.  I think you should take the suggestions and go from there. 

Yea it sounds like it, Im just tired of errors. and the past week I've had to take in a lot of different information to understand all of this, know what I mean?

[Naykid]

Yeah, I can relate.  That's why I suggested you give it a shot with the suggestions that have been given.   Having too much in your head can actually hinder your ability to project.  Next time you try, just do what feels right.. feel it, imagine it, or do both.  This is a trial and error kinda business. 

Good luck.

[NickisDank]

So for the past 4 days ive changed my sleeping schedule up to where ive been waking up around 5-6 AM in the morning, about 2-4 hours of some sleep. Ill wake up and have no sense of vibration, so this is what ive been trying to do and nothing happens

Ill do my affirmative in my head about 40 times saying "now im out of my body". Everytime i exhale thats what i say, so i get to about 40-50 and ill get a slight sense of a tingling feeling and when i try and focus on it and make it expand, it diminishes. So i have to start all over again trying to get back to that stage, well after about 2 or 3 attempts i either fall asleep or seem just to be to awake anymore.

Why cant i get past this? isnt trying after about 2-3 hours of sleep the best time to attempt an OBE