/cry.... im so close! help!

[vgchesskid]

1/2 hour?Keep practicing.You're not as relaxed as you may think.I sure wasn't.Just relax until you can hear sudden loud noises(pre-dream state).Then focus on doing the obe.I have yet to achieve projection, but I can get into the vibe/buzz state within 10 min that way.Once you practice enough, your face won't twitch.My muscles twitch too until my body falls asleep.

[jc84corvette]

Practice more! []

You did the right thing about asking your spirit.

Can you do me a favor? What book did you read that explained about spirits. Im totaly lost. Thanks!

[zukasil]

Thanks so much for the responses!!
I suppose you are right.. its just that when i see things working.. and i feel so relaxed i feel the warm sensations and even sluight vibrations it is so tempting to try and project... but i just thought of something.. if im getting sensations without trying then mabye i just dont do anything at all... eventually i will project and the sensations will take over by themselves right?... if i can get that close in half an hour mabye i just keep going.. just might work =P... i think though that im still going to ask for my spirit guide.. those sensations intesnsified twice as much all in the instant i asked.. it was crazy.. anyway, Astral Projection for Beginners by Edain McCoy was the book i read that mentioned spirit guides.. it was just a mention of it i dont have a whole book on it but they are mentioned in all the good books.. of course astral dynamics is a must have =P.. i also reccomend travels beyond the body by william buhlman... which also has good sections on spirit guides and how he used them.. anyway, i appreciate the responses, thank you.


                        Christopher

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by zukasil
[i just thought of something.. if im getting sensations without trying then mabye i just dont do anything at all... eventually i will project and the sensations will take over by themselves right

Yes, you said something very wise right there, although I'm not sure if you even realized it.

Most beginners read all about HOW to have an OBE.  They know what the body is supposed to feel like (numb, vibrations, etc), and that's about it!  What next?

So what ends up happening is that you get your body in this super relaxed state, and then you start thinking to yourself, "Ok, now what do I have to do to have an OBE?"

Now, while it's true that YOU have to do some mental exertion to separate from your body at times, there is a small transition that you have to go through where you don't do anything.

As an example, I will briefly tell you about a small projection I had this morning.  I woke up and decided to remain laying in the same position in bed.  My body was completely relaxed and numb, much like you try and achieve when you practice OBE's.

If I would have tried to move an astral arm, not only would nothing have happened, but either my physical arm would move, or my physical body will feel a bunch of energy go through my arm and I will lose the perfect balance of relaxation that I had going.

Instead, when I am in this situation, I usually try and pick a THOUGHT and sink into it.

In this instance, I decided to focus on my hearing, and I thought I heard some noise, like a high school soccer game (crowd of people, whistles, shouting, etc).  So I focused on this noise, and I noticed that as I focused on it, two things happened:

1) The noise became louder
2) As the noise became louder, I felt my body almost melt into the familiar vibrations where I can separate my astral body from the physical one

You see, what ended up happening is that I focused on a NON-PHYSICAL thought, in this case, it was some sounds, and that took my mind off my body and drew me right next to that fine line between your imagination and the astral realms.

Remember, you need to be aware of your body only up to a point.  Just focus on it long enough to get it relaxed.  That's it.  From there, you must focus on non-physical things to go further.  Whether those non-physical things are hypnogogic imagery, or astral sounds, that is up to you.

I hope this helps.

[Centa Five]

Hi Jeff, what a terrific idea!  What you just mentioned about focusing on a sound never crossed my mind but it makes perfect sense as, like you said, it is a non-physical item.  I'll give it a spin the nex few nights and see if I can obtain the same results.  It's the participation of knowledgeable people like you that make scanning these forums really worthwhile and I appreciate your input even though it was directed to someone else.  I'm getting it done with the projections but they are scattered and sometimes repeating the same successful sequence does not always work the next time.  My goal is to project on a regular basis and I find that awareness during my waking hours focusing only on my breath pretty much clears my mind of random thoughts and it kind of spills over into the dream state because I get more than my share of lucid ones.  Thanks again Jeff.

[vgchesskid]

I think the best thing to do is not to try to hard.No one ever gets exactly what they want(proven science fact.) So don't want it...just do it.Just get more and more sleepy while trying to stay conscious.After you fall asleep for a while,out of habit- a tiny part of your conscious mind will not give up.You will wake up in a mildly paralysed-like state.Then, you should be able to get the "symptoms" of OBE.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Hi Jeff, what a terrific idea!  What you just mentioned about focusing on a sound never crossed my mind but it makes perfect sense as, like you said, it is a non-physical item.  I'll give it a spin the nex few nights and see if I can obtain the same results.  It's the participation of knowledgeable people like you that make scanning these forums really worthwhile and I appreciate your input even though it was directed to someone else.  I'm getting it done with the projections but they are scattered and sometimes repeating the same successful sequence does not always work the next time.  My goal is to project on a regular basis and I find that awareness during my waking hours focusing only on my breath pretty much clears my mind of random thoughts and it kind of spills over into the dream state because I get more than my share of lucid ones.  Thanks again Jeff.

No problem, Centa.  Glad to help you out.  []

[zukasil]

Hello everyone,

 I havent posted in a long time but im on the site every other day reading... anyway a quick back up story ive been trying AP on and off for about 2 years now have read about 4 books and consider myself quite knowledgable in the subject... regardless of that i have yet to achieve a concious OBE... anyway, as of lately ive really noticed my rpoblem was that ive just been tryin too hard and trying too fast.. so ive been just dworking on my meditation... at this point i can bring myself way down fairly quickly... in about half an hour i can bring myself to where my whole physical body is numb... anyway i was doing this last night and thought i would ask my spirit guide for assistance and see if it would work in getting myself out... i had just that night been reading on spirit guides and got quite interested in it as ive never asked for help from mine. I said, "Spirit guide, please assist me in leaving my body." as soon as i said that in my head i started getting some strong exit sensations. i started feeling vibrations and a sense of floating.... there were more sensations with it but are hard to put into words. As soon as it happened i told myself stay calm.. just focus on the sensations and try to make them intensify. Heres where my problem is.. my face started twitching.. really bad and my eyes especially.. i tried to just relax but the more intense the sensations were the more my face twitch and made it impossible for me to project... i tried for about half an hour longer to bring the sensations back but i couldnt.... this is not the first time this has happened to me.. its only my face.. please help!!!!


                           Zukasil