Government preventing Astral Projection/Spiritual Awakening

[Firmitas]

Any thoughts on this?
For example: The theory about floride preventing use of the paneal gland

[Tiny]

Fluoride is a worst nightmare as it can literally reduce brain intelligence over the years but i dont see how it would prevent this.

I know people have fear and excitement triggers programmed into them, so that when they are about to project something in their brain tells them "NO!".

In my opinion the Greys manipulate the minds of people more than the governments themselves do.


kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

I've been thinking about that lately... and if the government is trying to prevent the population from projection and other spiritually related phenomenon... then, they're really doing a pisspoor job of it.  

[CFTraveler]

I've been thinking about that lately... and if the government is trying to prevent the population from projection and other spiritually related phenomenon... then, they're really doing a pisspoor job of it.  

I agree.  This is a time in known history where there is a lot of exposure to spiritual ideas without religion being in charge of it.  You can go into the internet and get all kinds of information as to techniques and how-tos about everything, including occult subjects that were only available to a chosen elite not that long ago.
So if the plan is to suppress it, it ain't working so good for them.

[skiax]

Hear hear!

[Naykid]

I think this might be one of those, 'create your own reality' deals.  

I mean, if you spend your days worrying about the Govt. infiltrating your very spirit, then at some point it's going to actually cause disruption in your life, in one form or another.

[personalreality]

You can't deny the impact that our lifestyle has on spiritual growth.  The food, medicine, technological dependence, mediocre academic curriculum, cultural degradation, muddled spiritual traditions, etc.

I would say that most of this isn't just the way we evolved as a species/civilization.

But, bottom line is that we're now stuck in an "industrial revolution" paradigm when technologically we've grown beyond it.  That is what is holding us back as a civilization now.  The question is, has some shadow entity (in a purely physical sense) put blocks in place or are we just lacking in the proper development?

Nevertheless, I have a book you might like.

It's called Homo Serpiens by Aeolus Kephas.  I used to listen to his podcast "Stormy Weather", he's a very clever guy.

http://www.amazon.com/Homo-Serpiens-Secret-History-Armageddon/dp/1935487000/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1

[Dan C4551DY]

Well, how exactly are they trying to stop us?
"trying"... lol

[Xanth]

Well, we're *assuming* that some of the chemicals we get force fed (like fluoride in our water) is actually designed as some form of anti-spiritualism thing... in an attempt to keep us from accessing our true and full potential.  I don't really know how much I buy into it... except the fluoride bit.  I mean, it's been *PROVEN* to do absolutely nothing for your teeth if you ingest it.  Many dentists have signed off on that fact, while many other dentists still sit back and tell us it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

In any case...
The rest of it is all about choice.  Most people would rather spend their time and money these days on material possessions than spiritual growth, cause it's all the rage!  Let's face it, "spiritual growth" to the average person means absolutely NOTHING. 

[CFTraveler]

Well, we're *assuming* that some of the chemicals we get force fed (like fluoride in our water) is actually designed as some form of anti-spiritualism thing... in an attempt to keep us from accessing our true and full potential.  I don't really know how much I buy into it... except the fluoride bit.  I mean, it's been *PROVEN* to do absolutely nothing for your teeth if you ingest it.  Many dentists have signed off on that fact, while many other dentists still sit back and tell us it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Not true, I'm afraid.  Fluoride has been shown to help put calcium back in bone in case of osteoporosis.    The problem is that the regrowth that results is as brittle as the original bone growth that resulted in the calcium loss.  The problem is that when studies like these way back when showed results, they were embraced without sufficient tests for side effects or the knowledge that they could happen,  and mass-fed to people precisely because the results were almost immediate.

I know this to be a fact, because part of my studies as an anthropology/archaeology student was to figure out the age of teeth found in ancient burial grounds vs. more modern skeletons.  The fact is, the pre-fluoride teeth were yellow and pitted, and the post-fluoride teeth are smooth and white, with less cavities than most pre-fluoride cases, and in my mother's time experiments were done on subjects (pregnant housewives) to see the difference in the teeth of babies, which was radically better, on the short run at least.  So the results were there at the time of the tests- they however proved to be damaging in the long run, something we can see today, but they couldn't see back then.

So to assume that the mass-feeding of fluoride in the fifties, etc. was malignant is paranoid- it is more plausible to assume that there was a naivete about the damage it causes in regards to cancer- and more importantly, they had a product to place- it was all about money and public feedback. 
Nowadays it's different- we know crap like that causes cancer, but the companies that sell it prefer to go back and 'revisit' their previous  results to make them 'acceptable'- they'd rather kill us and make a profit, than rework their products to make them safer and spare lives, because they just don't care.

In any case...
The rest of it is all about choice.  Most people would rather spend their time and money these days on material possessions than spiritual growth, cause it's all the rage!  Let's face it, "spiritual growth" to the average person means absolutely NOTHING. 

I completely agree.  Nothing means anything to most anyone, if it interrupts their comfort level.

[Firmitas]

I have read a number of posts from people saying that once they projected, they all witnessed a barrier around the white house. So could it be possible that the government is well aware of the possibilities we all possess? A friend of mine recently met someone who worked for the government as a Remote Viewer.

-Firmitas

[Xanth]

I have read a number of posts from people saying that once they projected, they all witnessed a barrier around the white house. So could it be possible that the government is well aware of the possibilities we all possess? A friend of mine recently met someone who worked for the government as a Remote Viewer.

-Firmitas

I personally believe that to be a collective reinforced delusion.
Everyone just innately assumes these days that the 'government' knows all about this and can protect themselves at will, so what happens?  Everyone manifests their own barriers to keep themselves out of 'discreet' areas.

My opinion...

[AlanRK]

I have read a number of posts from people saying that once they projected, they all witnessed a barrier around the white house. So could it be possible that the government is well aware of the possibilities we all possess? A friend of mine recently met someone who worked for the government as a Remote Viewer.

-Firmitas

Obviously the government (or at least some) is aware of these possibilities since they use them in their information-gathering endeavours. It's well-known that they have used remote viewing in the past, if they happen to not know about astral projection along with that then they'd have to have a pretty lousy research department (which they don't).

[Volgerle]

I never was a conspiracy theorist fan. But as I am am witnessing now, in a time where I myself have somehow "woken up" by willingly and consciously experiencing the paranormal, spiritualism and metaphysics in different forms on the one hand, and seeing on the otherhand, how the "mainstream" of people still look at these things, I cannot help but discover some value in the concept of mind control.

As said above, I am still not a fan of David Icke & Co. However, like him I think that AP and 'real' spiritual development seems to be blocked form the public perception, almost in an indoctrinatory form.

It is surely some people "behind" the government. But it also comes from the mass media nowadays, and the "left-brain curriculums" of the education system (put in place partly by governments again, of course), which is what D. Icke talks about here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOfRkdVlLZA

(By the way, I also started to dislike WIKIPEDIA a lot. Have you ever read "their" articles about AP/OBE, Remote Viewing and similar ones? They suck!
Is it written by the 'skeptics' fraction ONLY? I think so, they have taken it over completely. If a skeptic or "debunker" with dubious qualification has sth to say about this topic then it is given much weight. I have personally witnessed there that scientific experiments that are documented (in literature or also online) get edited out by those "demi-god"editors with overwrite rights, simply because it does not seem to fit their world view. This is sad.
And this, for me, is manipulation, too, because nowadays some naive people have a simple formula: "It's explained like that on Wiki, so it must be true (or not true if it is "debunked" there)." - so they get manipulated this way as they don't recognise anymore that Wikipedia is in many parts just 'opinion' too, like any other scientific or whatever publication signed by an author. Wikipedia has no official authors (just editors in the background), that's why it seems so "official". I see a great danger in the spreading "Wikipedianism".)

[DeadSuperHero]

I personally think that there is a grain of truth to this. Just look at what our government did back in the 60's to try and keep the Counterculture Revolution down. Acid and other drugs were thought to have been given to some of the most vocal opponents so that they never got too strong.

But, I think these days, the oppressor is not the government. I believe it is human apathy itself. We are raised in a mindset these days based on immediate gratification and convenience. Think really hard for a moment. Astral Projection/Spiritual Awakenings more often than not require quite a bit of investment of time and energy from the average person. More often than not, that person needs to conduct their own research, take notes, read up on famous techniques, and so on and so forth. For this generation, I'd wager that it's not done as much not because we're being directly suppressed, but because it's "hard" and "takes time". People that dive into it and don't get any results whatsoever could definitely decide to give it up right then and there. Heck, I've had the "on and off" struggle with a lot of self mind-experiments throughout the years. When there's no immediate results, a person becomes disappointed, and their resolve begins to break.

[Tiny]

I never was a conspiracy theorist fan

That's one perfect example for a programmed trigger, going off, categorizing certain topics as conspiracy theory instead of viewing them as part of a whole of facts and the way things just simply are.


kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

That's one perfect example for a programmed trigger, going off, categorizing certain topics as conspiracy theory instead of viewing them as part of a whole of facts and the way things just simply are.


kind regards,

Paul

That's also one perfect example of being paranoid.
It goes both ways Tiny. 

[Naykid]

I'm more freaked out that someone still uses WIKIPEDIA as a site for correct information.   

[Stillwater]

Errors and vandalism rates on wikipedia have been greatly exaggerated; studies have been done and they found approximately the same rate of errors on Wikipedia as were on the Encyclopedia Brittanica, an international standard source.

Even if it is not always citation-worthy, wikipedia offers one of the best sources for introductory summaries on a vast number of topics, many of them subjects which would never get an article on any other encyclopedia, and the frequency of relavent updates to wikipedia articles ensures that they are always up to date.

The greatest rate of vandalism occurs on articles of political interest, but even here it rarely lasts more than an hour before it is discovered and etched out. If you take wikipedia for what it is, namely a source which anyone can edit, but has a self-correcting community of members keeping it in order, and use it accordingly, I think anyone would have to admit it is a profound resource.

[Naykid]

You can have your WIKI, I'll stick with Dictionaries and Encyclopedias. 

[Volgerle]

wikipedia offers one of the best sources for introductory summaries on a vast number of topics, many of them subjects which would never get an article on any other encyclopedia...

Right you are ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fart

The greatest rate of vandalism occurs on articles of political interest, but even here it rarely lasts more than an hour before it is discovered and etched out.

yes, politics for sure, but I would include more on the list, namely any subject that might have any "controversial" views and aspects to it. This is also the case in the field of science, spirituality / metaphysics and philosophy. For example in "our" field that would be subjects within "the paranormal", ESP, "parapsychology", such as astral projection etc.

You are right, it is a source for a good summary if you know nothing about a topic and need general information. I also used it for that purpose and I see no reason not to use it for that purpoose. That is not what I meant, however.
Many subjects do not show a really 'balanced' view. It is often a view uphold by some 'scientific' mainstream orthodoxy (who, for example, more or less claims that we are all deluded here!  ).

I feel that Skeptics there behave like they own it. They even create badges on their own user sites and boast with how great they are with supporting this view or that belief system (which they don't call this way, of course since to them it is "truth").

I still think that people that define themselves as 'sceptic and materialist' or give themselves the user name "Jesus Freak" should not write articles that are supposed to be somehow balanced. But maybe that is my own subjective (and also unbalanced...) view again.

Moreover, many articles there are over-burdened and just too long.

[radman32]

www.deliberatedumbingdown.com
Start reading on it, shows there are psych-ops on american youth, implemented for half a century now ...

[testing]

Thanks I will check it out   

[Naykid]

www.deliberatedumbingdown.com
Start reading on it, shows there are psych-ops on american youth, implemented for half a century now ...

I had heard of this book awhile back and totally forgot about it, thanks for the link! 

I was reading comments on the books and one guy comments that

"This book argues that the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It asserts that change agents have been working at the Education Department to change curriculum, not to improve teaching but to promote a socialist agenda. Their role is to create schools which will mold obedient citizens who no longer have the knowledge and skills to improve their lot in life, but are dependent on governement/multi-national companies' guidance to survive. The system will create imprisoned citizens that will be managed from cradle to grave to serve the needs of the state's managed economy. The book is clearly written, copiously documented, and finally answers the question "Why can't our kids read, write, and count?" A must-read for anyone with children. It presents a scary view of America's future if nothing is done to bring back our schools to the excellence of the turn of the century."

This is pretty much what I heard about the book.  I believe this was the same time I saw stuff about our History books being liberalized.

[xp5000]

I really don't think that there's a device or chemical that can prevent one from projecting.

Now, that being said. I have seen in the astral, individuals who can disrupt one's ability to project momentarily. But I think they are natural residents or something.