'Greys' ? ..

[vipassana]

Wow, Xanth. I'm surprised of your skepticism of the NWO. You have really good insight into AP which is nothing but fairy tales to most people, but the NWO is speculation? This thread is really good. People are hitting on different topics, but not tying them together. MY OPINION - astral projection, greys, reptilians, the NWO, crop circles, all of this stuff that no one can explain - it's all linked to what lies beyond the physical world. I've never seen a UFO or an alien and never even had a dream about them, but I believe that they exist and that they are from higher dimensions. There is good and bad, light and dark, positive and negative in the universe, not just here in the physical Earth. The same BS we have to deal with in the physical occurs in the lower astral. Look at when you AP/lucid dream. At least for me, the situations take on physical-like properties similar to the physical. There is violence, anger, happiness, all of the emotions we have here exist in the lower astral. When you throw reincarnation into the mix, this explains some things. No one really knows how someone reincarnates. The general idea is that you (your higher self for lack of a better term) come back to the physical to learn something. But what are we here to learn? Some people think karma plays a role. I believe that it does, but who's to say if you're a killer in a past life, you won't be a killer in the next. We seem to believe if you screw up in this life, you will pay the price in the next. What has the upper hand, karma or free will? What if people knew this and knew that they could reincarnate indefinitely into the physical? Their goal is not to come and learn and move on to bigger and better things, but to stay here and control the physical. If I we're born and immediately from birth taught about my past life and that this life is a continuation from the previous one, I would continue to build upon my deeds. The current banking and monetary systems of the world can be traced back to Meyer Rothschild (I think that was his name, a Rothschild nonetheless). He was a goldsmith. I'm not going to go into details about how that family rose to power. There are some really good You Tube videos about it. They have controlled banking in Europe for hundreds of years. I read somewhere (I can't remember the source) that this family has their own sperm bank. Think about it. They are selectively keeping the DNA of Ol' Meyer going and they don't even have to do it the old fashioned way anymore. And he is continually reborn into this world to resume is place. This practice is performed by people in power all over the world. The Bush family, Obama, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, the queen of England, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, they are all related by blood. They all share that same bloodline. This is well documented. Alex Jones did a documentary about Bohemian Grove. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. The people in power draw their energy from the "dark side" or as we might call it, negative energy. There is evidence of this all over the internet. You are not going to hear this in the media. The media is nothing but a tool of the NWO to keep people mindlessly occupied and not aware of what is going on. The modern NOW has its roots with the Rothschilds, but the general idea has been going on for thousands of years. It's nothing new to humanity, except now they are about to realize their goal of one world government rules by them. It can be stopped though, simply by people waking up to the true reality. If more people would just learn to AP, the world would be a better place. 

[zareste]

(1776) was a scam.  We never won anything, it was just the UK setting up a new colony to transfer power.

Not that I'm interested, but I heard that Washington and co. were a branch of the freemasons that conflicted with the European freemasons, and they purposely split apart. It happens sometimes because freemasonry is more of a system than a unified group. But ultimately it seems the European group regained control of the US. This happens because freemasonry is inherently a system of control based in secrecy, so the dominant freemasons are always the worst.

But I've heard a lot of stories. The formation of the US seems to have been planned by a few different groups, quite a while before Columbus took off.

Anyway we're going off on a tangent again. The guys running the world are just doing the same stuff we're doing here. Little things like telepathy, mind tricks, projection. And they're not different from us except in their role in society. They were sub-consciously chosen by the public to do all the crazy things people desire to see done.

(side note: Watch as Picard's karma goes down when he argues with Xanth)

[Tiny]

Let threads such as this serve as an example of what happens when trolls get any attention - absolute disaster.


kind regards,

Paul

[Capt. Picard]

You are correct personalreality, 1776 was for the most part a scam, Britain still retained much power throught the US and the world. As for Xanth, you are denying the existence of laws which are real and passed and even publicised. You deny that families such as the Rothschild and Rockefellers dont all weild powerful positions in society and that they have never been caught committing crimes. Historically and in the modern times, the super-rich, super powerful rulers of our society have been nothing but a mafia, and the crimes against humanity they commit are still continuing today in our modern wars and events. The NWO is far from one theory really, its about their influence in several different branches of life, and is made up of several "theories", many of which have become common fact. Some people think aliens control the NWO, maybe they do, but I don't personally believe that. But to say the "NWO" isn't happening at all is what is conjecture.

[Xanth]

Wow, Xanth. I'm surprised of your skepticism of the NWO. You have really good insight into AP which is nothing but fairy tales to most people, but the NWO is speculation?

I have proved Astral Projection to myself.
So far, I haven't read one bit of NWO information that wasn't speculation or conjecture.

But to say the "NWO" isn't happening at all is what is conjecture.

I'm not saying a "one world government" is conjecture.  And I'm not saying it's not happening nor is it ever going to happen.  I'm saying what YOU call the NWO or Illuminati, hasn't been proven to exist.  

Please, don't put words in my mouth.

Let threads such as this serve as an example of what happens when trolls get any attention - absolute disaster.

Tiny, who's the troll here... the person making contributions to a thread, or the person posting yelling TROLL?
You might want to consider that distinction before harassing me again.

~Ryan  

[personalreality]

This troll crap is getting old.

Either PM a moderator and plead your case or just stop talking about it.

If you don't like what someone has to say and don't think you can constructively dispute it, ignore it.

[Capt. Picard]

Im not gonna argue anymore, the Illuminati families have been around for centuries and are still very much around holding positions of power within society. Them and there families existence is not open to debate. The only thing you might call conjecture is that they are evil. I believe their actions demonstrate that they are and are planning to rule and control the world even more. If you are saying Rothschilds and Rockefellers etc etc etc are good and have humanity's best interests at heart fine, that deffinilty goes against what the evidence would suggest. If you are trying to say they literally don't exist, then I dont know what to say other than that your ignoring reality so it fits your own world view. It is well documented that the Rothschild took control of Britain financially during the Napoleonic Wars and never lost that power, just as its well documented that the Rockefellers have consistently funded eugenics, abortion and population control agendas. They have started most of the major banks, oil corporations, and even the Council of Foreign Relations. They have more power and sway then the government itself, and they have demonstrated this time and time again. As I said Xanth, you have not researched excrement all about this, clearly. Instead of sending my angry PMs, why dont you actually debunk the gulf of tonkin or anything I have said. You will see that you will have a hard time when you actually research instead of arguing with me superficially. So you admit the OWG is real now, but the NWO isn't. I personally dont think killing people in wars and false flag terrorist attacks, and violating civil rights and liberties is a good thing, so the OWG is acting exactly like the NWO, whats the difference? The Federal Reserve admitted they caused the last economic depression, who do you think caused it this time? It was no accident. Most of this info isn't even fringe, you simply just connect the dots, so sorry if you come off ignorant to me.

[missym]

sorry, didn't mean to stir up all this

[personalreality]

don't stress it missy.

things have been heating up a bit around here lately in general.  if it wasn't in this thread, it would be in another one.

and capt. i agree....though i am in the interdimensional alien beings controlling it all club.

[Xanth]

As I said in my PM... which was actually quite civil (please don't project your anger and frustrations onto me).

When you're ready to discuss things without the emotional outbursts, we'll continue this.

[vipassana]

So far, I haven't read one bit of NWO information that wasn't speculation or conjecture. I'm not saying a "one world government" is conjecture.  And I'm not saying it's not happening nor is it ever going to happen.  I'm saying what YOU call the NWO or Illuminati, hasn't been proven to exist.

Six months ago, I would have agreed with you 100%. I uncovered this on my own over two years of connecting the dots. It's just recently that I made the connection. Learning about astral projection is what led me here. And in fact this forum contains a lot of "dots". The information is out there.   

sorry, didn't mean to stir up all this

Don't sweat it. This is something that needs to be talked about, even if it is a bit heated. This stuff is not easy to accept. I would never expect anyone to believe this. Like Xanth said, you have to prove it to yourself.

[Tiny]

sorry, didn't mean to stir up all this

I'm very glad you've touched on the topic (of ETs and UFOs) and shared with us your experences and I would hope you'll continue to do so.

The problem starts when people engage in arguments with the infantile minded part of the population of the internet who can't discuss topics such as this in a civilized manner, who haven't disciplined themselves enough to resist their urges to constantly add their nuisances whenever they feel aroused.
However, bullies, big mouths, trolls "agent provocateurs" can not survive in an environment where they are not heard.



kind regards,

Paul

[Capt. Picard]

Xanth, it is you who decided to play devil's advocate and continue to flamebait. Your PM's were nothing but insulting and demanding me to end this discussion and agree with you that is conjecture. I don't care if you don't believe it and Im made that clear enough times on here over the past few months, but Im sorry that your upset and resorting to childish behaviour because my opinion differs. Your last post was nothing but a cop out because you refuse to even look into this stuff yet still sit on here time after time critisizng others becuase they are informed on the current geopolitical situation. There something new agers call people like you, what is? Psychic vampire? Quit feeding off our energy and contribute for once, all you do is try to start arguments.

[personalreality]

Xanth has contributed a great deal to this forum, look at his number of posts.  You dont get that many posts by hanging around a forum "trolling".  If you dont like what he says ignore him and respond to something else. 

His views, thoughts, opinions, beliefs or whatever aside, xanth deserves a degree of mutual respect for the time and effort he has put into doing his part to assist the people that come here for help.  He has contributed more here than almost anyone else, especially more than the people giving him crap lately.  I dont agree with half the stuff he says but I respect the energy that he has PUT INTO this forum (as opposed to 'sucking it out'), energy that he didnt have to share but did.

[Capt. Picard]

He contributes alot of arrogant remarks and misleading statements, thats all I see, apparently hanging around here trolling has gotten him plenty enough posts and "contribution"

[zareste]

Xanth has contributed a great deal to this forum, look at his number of posts.  You dont get that many posts by hanging around a forum "trolling"

That's what Kurt said, and boy did he regret that
One wrong word to Xanth and his karma went down every 100 hours for almost a month

[personalreality]

Kurt got out of line.

I like kurt, I still talk to him through email.

But he stepped over a line and isn't here anymore because of it.

Capt. we're cool so I don't wanna start anything with you, but you've been here for what, a month?  You have seen a very small amount of Xanth's contribution to this forum.

zareste.....

[personalreality]

let's respect our common humanity.

we're supposedly the "enlightened" humans.

we should set the example.

we're the one's who are showing others how to go within to find truth.

let's cooperate and share some humility.

[Stookie]

I agree with Xanth. There isn't much reliable information regarding a NWO. There's plently of information, but nothing very credible. People like Alex Jones heavily distort the facts to fit their model. When it started getting more attention in the early 80's, people were saying it would come fully into play by the late 80's. Then early 90's. Then 2000.

If there really is a NWO, they don't seem to have much power except in the information that people eat up because they don't like the world they live in. It's an easy answer to a complicated scenario.

PS - the internet is an awful place to try to get a bigger view of things. You'll find a lot of heavy, opinionated distortions.

[NoY]

Matt Damon

[personalreality]

Matt Damon

[Capt. Picard]

Alex Jones radio station is owned by ABC, is he somehow part of it all and most likely a disinfo agent. But to say he distorts all the facts is wrong, most of his news articles on his website come from "legitimate" news websites. But I admit in his documentaries, he is a bit of a fear monger. Im not gonna bother arguing and sorry for getting so heated Xanth, but the evidence is overwhelming. I personally dont like the term "New world order", the NWO is far from one theory and more or less a grouping of theories regarding different government interests. Many of those theories are indeed fact. You dont need to read anything to know its at least partially true, just turn on the mainstream news and watch the propaganda fly, everything in our society is about corporate interests and many of those corporations do in fact have more power than the government itself. As I said, maybe some parts of the theories are outlandish, but the fact of the matter is they have passed laws like the Patriot Act and it takes no theories to see that this is an abomination to a free country and an abuse of power. The CIA wiretapping has been going on since before they even passed some of these laws. The Cheamtrails are even real and depending where you live you can see them everyday turning a sunny day into a cloudy one. The government denys the existence of chemtrails but admits that they are spraying barium and other heavy metals into the atmosphere to combat "global warming", another government lie that we know of thanks to climate gate. They make so many contradictions that in my opinion, the weight of evidence is on our government and corporate leader's backs, not ours, and they just can't justify the crimes theyve been committing.

Anyways, why do you think we don't like the world? I just think's the world better when you can live in it free, and if anyone honestly wants to say our government is freedom loving, that will require evidence. Its not enough for the weight of evidence to be on me, when the status quo is much harder to defend when it comes down to cold, hard facts. I have no problem with the world, just the oppressive human organizations currently running it.

[personalreality]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM

[personalreality]

I wholeheartedly agree capt.

We are literally products owned by America Inc.  (not a metaphor, America is a publicly traded company)

When you see your name written in all CAPS on a legal document it is referring to the product you, not the you you.

We are slaves in this country, slaves to consumerism.  Our lives are forced to the brim with material concerns for the sole purpose of preventing proper spiritual development.  I wonder why?

You can't argue with that Xanth.  I don't know how they do things in Canada Town, but in a capitalist system they forces you to sit at your job 8 hours a day doing something you don't care about.

Ahh, if we only had replicators (the star trek kind, not the stargate kind)

[personalreality]

Stookie, in my definition, NWO is just an convenient title, we're not waiting for it to happen, i has already happened.  It has been in effect for centuries,  millenia even.  What people have been tinkling themselves over is just the next evolution, they're waiting for 1984 to happen.  Naturally the world govt. (which already exists in my opinion) can't do it exactly like orwell said, it would be TOO obvious.

Take for example language.  In 1984 the ruling party limited the use of words so as to dumb down the populations ability to articulate their thoughts and feelings.......political correctness anyone?