Is this Guy for real?????

[firefist]

Hii guys... I'm new here and this is my first post. I hope I am not breaking any rules. The thing is I am a little confused and i need your help understanding few things. Recently I came across this topic in another forum and the guy there talks about his astral experiences and since then I am a little confused as well as scared. Here is the link....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129825

This guy advises not to astral project and warns to stay away from it.The key thing is he believes that souls are of 2 types LIGHT SOULS and ASTRAL SOULS...There are a lot more things that he talks about but I want you to read it for yourself and tell me if his words hold truth or he is just making things up??
If he is telling the truth then we won't be free even in afterlife.

EXPERIENCED ASTRAL PROJECTORS what do you have to say about it .Have you ever had such experiences?? I hope you could clear my doubts.

P.S. I have had a few unconscious APs or you could call it dreams that felt real..and apart from that I have only read about AP.

SORRY for my bad English I am not a native speaker...

[Volgerle]

Funny how in my last post I wrote this in another thread and quote myself now...

I would be cautions with certain 'theories' that are spread by maybe only one person and then it somehow gets a 'meme' in our circles by others distributing it further out. After all it might be the idea or experience of just one person, bear this in mind when you read such stuff.

Moreover: First of all, I am not against David Icke. But: I was 3-4 times reading in "his" forum too and there are some people there that spread their INDIVIDUAL opinions (or experiences) as truths, (e.g. about reptilians and other fear-related stuff). Again: I would be cautious as to any INDIVIDUAL theory on the non-physical, esp. if it is fear-related. Normally these people want to scare you or have become victimized themselves and thus are scared by some people (or groups) who want to have control over you by fear.

I haven't clicked on the topic as I do not want to read anymore of such negative stuff but reading your summary it seems this theory is a bin full of rubbish, not more. Relax.

[Xanth]

I mostly stay away from his crazy conspiracy theories.
But some of his other opinions are good.  It's all about picking and choosing what to take from each individual you come across. 

[firefist]

SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE LAZY AND SOME OF YOU MIGHT IGNORE THE LINK JUST BECAUSE IT IS ON DAVID'S FORUM...IT IS NOT A CONSPIRACY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT IS AN EXPERIENCE SHARED BY AN ASTRAL TRAVELER . SO BEFORE YOU JUDGE MAKE SURE TO READ THE CONTENTS OR I SHOULD JUST PASTE IT HERE......LET ME REMIND YOU WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ IS NOT MY EXPERIENCE.....

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I know many people are interested in the astral world, they think it is the
afterlife, and I guess for many people this is the case. I've been in the
astral over a thousand times now, and I still "fall" out of my body against
my will, into the astral world, when I am falling asleep, or even when I am
lying in bed, fully awake. Usually I spend up to three to five hours in the
astral every night. Lately I just stay there instead of coming back to my
body, so I don't have to go through the sickening process of returning and
falling out again, over and over and over. When I am there I try to keep
a low profile, so the souls and beings who live there, do not find out that
I am a Light soul. I got pretty good at this now, usually I am not caught.

The Astral and the Light.

Every solar system, or sometimes star system, has its own spirit world. This
spirit world consists either of an astral realm and a Light realm. Except if all
planets and beings in a solar system or star system are non light souls, then
there is only an astral realm, and if all planets and beings in a solar system
or star system are Light souls, then there is only a Light realm.

In our solar system, the spirit world is dual, there is both an astral realm and
a Light realm. The astral realm is the home of non light souls, when they die
they go to the astral world, to their home realm within the astral. When a
Light soul dies, it immediately enters the Light realm. Contrary to the astral
realms, the Light realm knows no negativity of any kind, there is only Light,
unconditional love, compassion, forgiveness, bliss and joy. The astral realms
are very different, as they know no unconditional love, no compassion, no
forgiveness.. the energies are very, very different..

The Earthbound Realm.

Both the astral realm and the Light realm touch upon the Earth. For example
when a Light soul dies and cannot let go of the Earth, he ends up in a realm
that is partly Earth and partly Light. This realm looks depending on how the
emotions of the soul are at any given moment, it is part of the Light, but still
connected with the Earth. It is a kind of fantasy realm, if the emotions of the
soul are dark and fearful, then the realm is also dark and fearful. The movie
"The Lovely Bones" gives a very accurate explanation of this realm.

The Different Astral Realms.

I have visited, against my will, countless types of astral realms. I learned that
the astral world is basically a gigantic space, and in this space there are many
astral realms. Every astral realm is created by those who live inside it, though
most astral realms have a ruling elite that make the decisions. When you are
in the space between these astral realms, it looks like you are actually in the
physical outter space. The many realms look like stars, and some realms even
look like planets. Most realms look like "bubbles", they have a protected
border that shields them from the emptiness and energy of the astral space,
and from the astral space dwelling beings, usually gigantic monsters, that
exist there.

Mechanical realms:

Some realms, when seen from the astral space, look like giant space stations,
often these realms are created by aliens that traveled to this solar system
from their own spirit world, from their own astral realm. But human souls have
built some of these mechanical realms as well. Often there is war between
two or more of such mechanical realms, because they are usually not shielded
from astral space, and are easy to attack. When I witness such a war, it is
usually waged with astral technology, weird assault vehicles and so forth.

City and Town realms:

These realms are kingdom realms, they have a government and a ruling elite,
and these realms are where most humans from Earth go when they die. These
realms are peaceful, apart from the usual rebel forces that try to overtake
the ruling elite. These realms are much like Earth and they know many of the
problems Earth cities and countries have, such as terrorism and civilians being
unsatisfied with how the ruling elite runs things. Lately when I fall out of my
body, I usually always end up in such city and town kingdom realms. There
are not many warriors here, and usually I can infiltrate easily and keep up my
cover. Sometimes I can see a demon or military patrol come by, but even
they usually do not spot me. These realms are shaped much like Earth, as
most beings that live here spend most of their time on Earth as humans.

There are cities, towns, villages, roads, rivers, beaches, hospitals, churches
and many other sights you can see on Earth as well. People here often have
their own house, even with a garden and a community. Sure the beings that
live here, as all beings that live in the astral, do not know unconditional love,
compassion or real forgiveness, they do everything with a mental state of
service to self, but they live in peace, they have friendships and they try to
live a good life. I usually never run into trouble in these places, and I even
had some fun here with temporary friends I made. I had discussions about
spirituality with some of the beings here.. With one tolerant being, I had a
discussion about how different our hearts are. He knew I was a Light being
but he still wanted to talk to me. As I explained to him how my heart is the
source of my unconditional love, my compassion and my forgiveness, he told
me how his heart gave him the strength and inspiration to deceive and trick
others.

School Realms:

I have seen many of these, and it wasn't so easy to keep up my cover here.
Most schools are much like on Earth, except that they teach different things.
They do teach souls normal knowledge, such as math and other sujects, but
they also teach astral magick, astral combat, the energies of deception and
ego. Some schools are specialized in one particular area, such as a school I
found that taught its students astral magick. You might not believe this, but
the school I found like this, looked completely identical to Hogwarts.. I guess
the people who say Hogwarts is a real astral school, where children go when
they sleep, by leaving their bodies, were right. This school is dying down now,
because there are less and less non light children on Earth, as since the year
2008, no non light souls can incarnate on Earth anymore. Believe me or not
but this school realm looked identical to Hogwarts in almost every aspect, I
even saw Dumbledore in his purple clothes walking up the stairs behind the
students. He knew I was Light but he didn't seem to care much.. I even met
a student who showed me around the school for a while, it was a very weird
experience to say the least.

Demonic Realms:

These realms usually are build in layers or levels, starting from the top and
going deeper and deeper. I think there is only one demonic realm in the astral
world of this solar system, but I cannot be sure. I have been there many
times though and I recognized the different levels. Each level is connected
to the next with a hole in the ground, a massive portal or a huge cave in the
mountains.

This is where demons live, which are often souls who spend their entire time
fighting with other demon factions, or fighting with other astral realms. They
are masters of deception and of astral magick and astral combat. They are
very powerful, although they seem to be the most vulnerable to the energies
of unconditional love. Not all entities here look like demons, some beings take
the shape of a normal human, such as the being I met named Santanas, who
said he was the son of Satan. Or a being I met who called himself Lucifer.
They usually looked handsome on the outside, but their energy is unspeakably
malicious. They don't incarnate on Earth that often, but when they do they
are usually leader of an empire.

I know this because once I learned to use the energy of unconditional love
and healing Light, projected from my heart area, I used this everytime when
I was attacked. Normal looking souls usually fall unconscious or they lose all
will to harm me. Demons are usually transformed back into their natural state,
and some of the demons I disempowered turned into beautiful looking beings.
Their energy is calmed down drastically then, but they are still devoid of all
love and compassion, as is the case with all astral dwellers, no matter how
peaceful and sometimes even friendly, they appear.

Some levels look like vast draconic landscapes, rivers of lava, jagged rocks
and mountains, black plains and fiery skies. Other levels look like enormous
city realms, buildings and architecture, gigantic black skyscrapers as far as
the eye reaches. Some of the buildings are very beautiful, as well as on the
inside, others are as demonic and ugly as they come. Hooks and gargoyles
on the ledges, spikes and jagged ridges.

Other levels look like gigantic caves, dark and black, through which beings
crawl that I don't want to describe in detail. But even these beings are fully
transformed when I channel positive energy at them. I also noticed that
some demonic entities aren't real souls, they are thought forms created by
the black magicians that command the demonic armies. When I direct positive
energy at them, after two minutes or so, they completely disappear.

Other levels look like giant graveyards, filled with tombs and graves, right out
of a horror movie about zombies. They aren't real graves of course, but like
I said these astral realms are created by the imagination and fantasy of those
who live there. There are a vast variety of different looking realms and levels.

Vacation Realms:

This might sound weird, but there are actually realms to which souls go to
be away from their tasks and their duties. These realms usually have a kind
of sun, who's energy usually feels comfortable even to me, and they look like
all kinds of holiday resorts on Earth you can imagine. One I have visited had
an ocean and a beach, even boats and beach buggies.. often what these
souls liked on Earth, they manifest in these holiday realms as well. I usually
can't have much fun here, or in any place, because the energy is so totally
devoid of love, Light and compassion. I thrive on positive energy and this
just doesn't exist in the astral, not in any realm I ever visited in all of my
many hundreds of experiences there.

Military Realms:

I found that these realms are often connected to the kingdom realms, and
it is where the armies, not demonic armies, but normal, human soul armies,
train. I see large castles, some European, others Asian, others indistinct,
and I see them train here. Usually the moment I enter such a realm, I am
discovered. They don't always attack me right away but they play with me
and try to find ways to hurt me without an all out assault.

I have witnessed gigantic wars between the armies of different kingdom
realms, it looked exactly like the war movies on television here on Earth.
Some armies use astral technology, such as guns, old fashioned or modern
or futuristic style, it's all energy anyway, it doesn't matter how it looks,
some armies use swords and melee weapons, bow and arrows, usually the
Asian looking armies are like that, they are proud of their katanas and their
Japanese and other Asian combat techniques. Like I said, every solar system
has its own spirit world, and this spirit world, especially the astral realms,
often resemble situations and places on the planets of the solar system or
star system.

Many other Realms:

I have seen many other realms that I cannot even describe, chaotic and
malicious, incredibly weird and extremely uncomfortable. But not once in all
my experiences, have I found positive energy in the astral. There is no love,
no compassion, no forgiveness, no bliss and no Divine energies. But I can
see how many non light souls might enjoy being in their home realm. If I
accept that their energy is very different from mine, then I realize that many
of these souls are quite happy and content in their astral home realm. Even
though they know no love or compassion, they don't need or want these
energies, they thrive on fear, hatred and anger, on control, combat, war and
dark magicks, they are happy with these energies, and they don't need the
positive energies Light souls like me and many others, enjoy so much, and
thrive on.

I'm sure I can keep writing for a while, but this is all that comes up in my
mind for now. I have experienced the Light as well, but not very often and
I have never managed to enter the Light Realm, as leaving your body on
Earth without dying, means disconnecting from everything that is Light. So
it is impossible for me to use astral travel to find the Light realm. When I
learn about the Light realm in the future, and I am sure that this will happen,
then I will write about this as well. You can rest assure that this will be a lot
more positive than my experiences with the astral.
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[Volgerle]

Surely an interesting read. Would be nice to have him on this board too. Staying 5 hours in the astral almost seems a bit unbelievable, but who knows and who am I to judge?

Still, I do not get what is frightening you? It is nothing THAT new to many around here, from experience, but also from literature on AP we "know" about these things.

I think the astral body is just a vehicle of the soul in a certain (lower'vibrational') area to experience it, such as the physical body is for experience in this (even lower-vibrational) physical matter area. And in many teachings there are even more "bodies" corresponding to certain "planes" (mental body/plane, buddhic body/plane, etc.).

And yes, there might be a 'barrier' we as still incarnated people cannot pass. Many experiencers tell us about this. Near Death Experience and hypnotic regression also reveals this about the spirit ("Light") realms. There is a kind of 'point of no return' into your current life in NDEs for some.

Many people however, even on this forum (see some threads), have experienced light realms as APer. They also had the Unity/God/Mystic experience. How that fits together with the 'barrier' from above and about theories of 'astral cords' I cannot tell. We can only speculate, do we? We know nothing entirely for sure.

What is maybe frightening to you (?) is the fact that you can after death temporarily 'end up' in astral worlds or even "hells" or "purgatories" where you act out things. You can also land in so-called Belief System Territories. Yes, that's true. There are disturbed and confused souls. Some even end up on the Earth (physcial) plane as ghosts.

I recommend you read Robert Monroe's books about this. Also about retrievals.

However, it is not being and APer which might lead to you ending up in a lower astral zone after death, but only and solely your Belief System, plus maybe how you led your life - but this is often shaped by your BS anyway. If you think you belong in hell then you'll end there - at least for a while. As a materialist you might end up as a ghost temporarily (or longer), or rather confused in one of the astral Earth-like realms maybe.

Has this guy heard about retrievals? This is what is done by higher guides (helpers of the light realm, if you will) together with incarnated APers. It is about helping souls who are indeed temporarily "lost" in an astral realm. We have some very experienced retrievers also on this forum.

We all carry our inner light, always. We never lose connection to Source. It is just disguised and we need to find it. The Astral Body is just what it says: A body, a vehicle. I do not believe that the light connection is ever lost and many teachings also say this. Being aware of it (or becoming again aware of it) helps you to 'ascend' higher again into the 'light' area.

I think many of this guy's descriptions of astral zones and worlds are maybe right and I have heard about elsewhere, including here. Still I do not see what is so frightening. The practice of APing preventing you from getting back to "source" or the higher realms after death is just an illogical conclusion he himself formed (or you?),  it is not an "experience" of him.  How can it? After all, he's still alive like all of us and cannot really know. 

[firefist]

The thing that scares me is that even in the afterlife different astral realms sometimes engage in war....
AND ONE THING THAT I FAILED TO MENTION IS THAT THIS GUY SAID THAT SOULS CAN BE CAPTURED AND TORTURED WITH NO ESCAPE ( DON'T KNOW IF IT IS TRUE BUT IT SURE SCARES ME ).

AND I DON'T LIKE HIS IDEA OF THERE BEING TWO DIFFERENT TYPE OF SOULS.

[Lionheart]

This guy advises not to astral project and warns to stay away from it.

I agree, HE shouldn't Astral Project at all and should stay clear away from it!  

He is no different then the other Fear mongers that can be found today. It pays his bills and sells a lot of books. Just remember this is his "personal" perception of the NPR.

[Lionheart]

 Here is an excerpt from his website too:

His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a 'heavenly body', but an artificial construct – a gigantic 'spacecraft' (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

This is found at this link: http://www.davidicke.com/shop/the-lion-sleeps-no-more

I have listened to a few of his interviews in the past and he is definitely right about some things. But, then he goes off in "left field" and starts throwing all kinds of Fear scenarios at the listener. Just like David Wilcox does.

[Szaxx]

I can accept some of whats said. There's more to some of the things he's mentioned as not fully known. His thousand or so experiences is not that many. I'd maybe take note of the range of experiences but there's many not even mentioned.
His demise is the fear he shows. Possessing this amount of fear would deny access to the light realms as he calls them. In these places a human mind of purity is rejected outright. You may be allowed access to their ' lower levels' but to experience the pure white no form side of things requires help from outside. The unconditional love there is that strong you don't care to return. This place is thick stinking vile and pathetic by comparison. To understand you will require a few experiences there yourself.
Ad far as wars go, they exist as elsewhere. I've educated a group on weaponry many times. This includes technology that doesn't exist on earth at present.
No mention of retrievals is a big problem. If he hasn't been doing them for a few decades he's not one to take to heart.
Enjoy the words as a personal opinion. He's not ready for the big events. With his mindset he may never be ready.
Remember fear sells. This report may be edited, the more pleasant items removed.
A false truth.

[LightBeam]

Wow, wow, too many categories of realms and souls. That really gave me a headache. If he truly astral projects and has been to these places, that means the dude is playing too many video games and watching too many movies LOL.
Again, you will experience in the astral worlds what you believe and what you expect to see, or what you fear.
ONLY YOUR THOUGHTS AND STATE OF MIND CAN HOLD YOU SOMEWHERE AGAINST YOUR WILL. So, you see, if you encounter negativity, it wont be because another energy is stronger than yours, but because your own beliefs, fears and state of mind have taken you there. Sometimes you may be taken to dark places, but when you realize that it might be for soul retrieval, you find those who need help to show them how to break the barriers of their own mind and set them free.

[Astralzombie]

I don't think anyone here was being lazy. Most of us have a lot of personal experience and have already read much of the negative stuff that is said. It just gets to be tiresome trying to counter it and more than that, it's pointless.

You have probably read just as many good experiences as you have bad ones and yet you remain scared.

What could we possibly say that could change your mind?

[CFTraveler]

Many of us have all kinds of experiences and interpret them in ways that make sense to us.  This person is no different.  If fear and hierarchical thinking is how he thinks, it's how he's going to interpret his experiences.

[Astralzombie]

I've noticed that all the alien channelers preach this similar stuff.

They all bash the Bible for telling us not to mess with anything relegated to the occult then they turn around and say that it is best to let them do this dangerous channeling and rely on them for the info.

No thanks.

I will be damned or undamned by my own doing but I can live with that. I'm not drinking the kool-aid and I will not take a shower in the gas chamber.

[Volgerle]

I've noticed that all the alien channelers preach this similar stuff.

They all bash the Bible for telling us not to mess with anything relegated to the occult then they turn around and say that it is best to let them do this dangerous channeling and rely on them for the info.

No thanks.

I will be damned or undamned by my own doing but I can live with that. I'm not drinking the kool-aid and I will not take a shower in the gas chamber.

but not all of them, many report only positive messages, as far as I remember and am not mistaken (take Bashar or Kryon as a possible example)

many religious preachers in turn condemn any channellers and say it's the devil only, which to me is also ridiculous and proves how they try to keep the sheep as slaves of the dogma

but okay, part of the new age channelers isn't any better, I agree ... recently I came across a really baffling "Russia today" interview (normally a good news channel to me, what were they thinking?) and this lady who claims to be a kind of "Pleiadean envoy" (there are supposedly quite a few...), she actually spread fear about reptilians who are out to eat us all  (yes... there's a meat market...  ) , this is so incredibly ridiculous and made my hair stand on end, so yes, these guys aren't ANY better than or different from evangelical bible preachers...

fear, fear, fear (and often no proof to back up the claims)

have a look, it's so sad how everyone claims to have the only truth ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg

[Astralzombie]

"All" was a bit too inclusive as I am really only aware of the most famous groups.

I generally believe they are channeling something or someone. It may even be a good source in the beginning but eventually the channeler's ego becomes corrupted.

[Whomper]

I'm not sure about it, but maybe he just wants a limited number of people to achieve obes.
From reading this forum, I've realized there's simply nothing dangerous about it if you have willpower. 
If you have a strong willpower, you probably wouldn't agree with icke in the first place.
There's plenty of "fear mongering" going on in this world.
Every human being has willpower and can think for themselves.
There are people out there who want that to change, but don't let that stop you man.

[TylerSnotgern]

...but okay, part of the new age channelers isn't any better, I agree ... recently I came across a really baffling "Russia today" interview (normally a good news channel to me, what were they thinking?) and this lady who claims to be a kind of "Pleiadean envoy" (there are supposedly quite a few...), she actually spread fear about reptilians who are out to eat us all  (yes... there's a meat market...  ) , this is so incredibly ridiculous and made my hair stand on end, so yes, these guys aren't ANY better than or different from evangelical bible preachers...

fear, fear, fear (and often no proof to back up the claims)

have a look, it's so sad how everyone claims to have the only truth ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg

I wonder if the Pleidians paid for her boob job. 

[phaseshiftR1111]

We are so incredibly powerful it's not even funny.

I didn't read it...

Yeah I think there is nasty things but I stay away from that stuff... Astral projection is so normal... we project everynight. I did as a kid ALL the time! Society told me it was bad... 

Follow your gut

[Xanth]

You're projecting right this very second. 

[phaseshiftR1111]

You're projecting right this very second. 

Exactly! Think if we all knew that as kids... How different the world would be. How different the world would be in general if everyone knew about "the greater reality"

[Anonymouse]

Exactly! Think if we all knew that as kids... How different the world would be. How different the world would be in general if everyone knew about "the greater reality"

The times I've thought about that!! Countless!

[TylerSnotgern]

I generally believe they are channeling something or someone. It may even be a good source in the beginning but eventually the channeler's ego becomes corrupted.

Yeppers, something, who knows what and the ego?  I am sitting in a group who has a 'psychic' channeling Drunko Melchizedec's Plasma People. I'm serious, Intra-Earthians speaking as one through this one person. It's a hoot, we have named ourselves The Source of Seven, have become local New Age celebrities. 

The people she channels - the other 5 download the info and regurgitate it, I refuse to participate - slightly change her voice, swear and tell absolutely stupid jokes. It's all I can do to keep a straight face and to top things off, these super Earthians are A-OK with the Seven and their 20+ admirers meeting in a place not legally zoned for such activity.

All of a sudden the group minus me are channeling Lennon, Rodenberry, St. Michael and Seraphims and a host of other discarnates and spiritual beings. Business is booming!!

[CFTraveler]

Let me guess Tyler, you're MysterSynIcysm, aren't you?

[TylerSnotgern]

Let me guess Tyler, you're MysterSynIcysm, aren't you?

Hardly considering my rather open posture on the validity of physical mediumship, mental mediumship spirit-discarnate communications and materialization phenomena.