Mass Retrieval Work

[grzazek]

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[Xanth]

What exactly are you 'killing'?

[Pauli2]

grzazek, the best way to get an answer to your question is to:

1. Read the first four books (yes, all four) of Bruce Moen.
2. Then go back and re-read the second book of Monroe.


I think that's the only way to for you to get the best and full answers to your ideas about, "killing", "Focus 27", "demons", "retrievals", because these books are delicately connected to each other on those subjects and are filled with lots of info and details on more matters related to your question.

[grzazek]

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[Pauli2]

My town doesn't even have Ultimate Journey.

I guess you can reach amazon.com or similar?

These books are also sold from dedicated sites, you may google it.

[AlanRK]

Do you think it would be possible to do mass retrieval work simply by being a demon, running around killing people and sending them to the 'reception centre' I hear about in focus 27?

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[Naykid]

I don't get the killing comment either.   You would be the demon, right?  Then you would go around and kill people who are stuck in a belief system, or don't realize they are dead?  You do realize they are already dead?  I just don't get what the purpose would be.  Could you elaborate on that, please?

[NoY]

i see what hes saying if they are stuck in a loop why not just bonk them on the head and hope they end up somewhere nice

the problem is you dont KNOW they will be better off do you 

:NoY:

[Xanth]

I think the real question here is... is their belief that they're still alive enough to "kill" them again?

I don't think killing someone twice will alleviate anything.
They'll simply get up and continue in their emotion loop.

There are people stuck in emotional loops going through this very thing over and over... their own self-created hell.

[AlanRK]

It most likely isn't even possible to "kill" them. Shocking them, yes, but deepening their emotional turmoil isn't exactly the answer to their problem.

My advice: Leave this to the people who know what they're doing, no need to try and be a hero.

[Xanth]

It most likely isn't even possible to "kill" them. Shocking them, yes, but deepening their emotional turmoil isn't exactly the answer to their problem.

My advice: Leave this to the people who know what they're doing, no need to try and be a hero.

I'll HEAVILY second this opinion. 

[NickisDank]

I don't understand how you can help someone who died and they not realize it themselves..?

[Xanth]

I don't understand how you can help someone who died and they not realize it themselves..?

Because some people die under such extreme circumstances that when they actually DO pass... the act of passing goes completely unnoticed.
So, now they find themselves, unknowingly, in a realm where what they think, feel and expect to happen DOES happen... yet they have no knowledge of this.
So they keep interacting with their environment in their rather unstable state... and yeah... it's easy to see how they get "stuck". 

[CFTraveler]

I'd second the motion for you to get the books mentioned above, but I'll make a few more comments:

From what I can gather retrieval work is done in situations where;
a. People don't realize they are dead
b. People are stuck in thought fueled loops that continually drag them down
The Retrieval work then is letting the person know they are dead or breaking their thought pattern.

So far so good.

Do you think it would be possible to do mass retrieval work simply by being a demon,

What makes you think you can 'be' a demon?  What makes you think that if they can see you in the first place, they will react to you at all just because you look scary?  What purpose would this serve?  And if you could make yourself look scary, what makes you think they would see what you see?  If they can see you in the first place.

running around killing people

How do you propose to kill someone who is dead, and what makes you think they would believe they are dead?

and sending them to the 'reception centre' I hear about in focus 27?

Provided they can see you when they're not stuck in a loop, why not just approach them and invite them to follow you?  Nicely?  If you suddenly found yourself in an afterlife area (or a dream, lol) and didn't realize where you were, who would you follow, the nice person who talks to you like a guide, or the scary thing that is attacking you?

[NickisDank]

Because some people die under such extreme circumstances that when they actually DO pass... the act of passing goes completely unnoticed.
So, now they find themselves, unknowingly, in a realm where what they think, feel and expect to happen DOES happen... yet they have no knowledge of this.
So they keep interacting with their environment in their rather unstable state... and yeah... it's easy to see how they get "stuck". 

What are some examples of extreme circumstances? I was confused after I read about all of franks focus levels. I have so Many more questions now

[Xanth]

What are some examples of extreme circumstances? I was confused after I read about all of franks focus levels. I have so Many more questions now

Robert Monroe gave a few in his books... if you're read them.
They're quite good. 

Dying in wars...
One person got shot robbing a store...

etc...

[NickisDank]

Robert Monroe gave a few in his books... if you're read them.
They're quite good. 

Dying in wars...
One person got shot robbing a store...

etc...

But regardless, everyone gets out of their "loop" their stuck in sometime right

[Pauli2]

But regardless, everyone gets out of their "loop" their stuck in sometime right

How do you know that?

[floriferous]

I don't understand how you can help someone who died and they not realize it themselves..?

I remember Frank explaining this so well. I think you can liken it to dreams. When you have a particularly stupid dream (for this example lets say you are conversing with a slobbering sausage man). When you are in the dream nothing out of the ordinary seems afoot. It is only when you wake that you think hang on a mo, that was a trifle silly.

MY understanding is that these trapped souls are stuck in that dream mentality so it seems very probable that they wouldn't know much. It seems only when someone interrupts their train of thought do they take note.

While we're on silly dreams - Last night I dreamt I was baby sitting for my nephew (who is 3). In the dream he was small enough to fit very easily on my hand (fingernail size). I provided him with an equally small TV to to watch. It all seemed perfectly rational to me while in the dream.

[CFTraveler]

To N.D.:
There are many accounts by many authors that describe the trauma some souls have when they pass- they are creating their 'earth-physical' environment and not realizing they're dead.  This is a normal part of the process, and happens to make the transition smoother.  In this stage they are helped to try to resolve the unresolved things that happened while in the body. 
When the situation is complicated (and let's say the passing itself was violent or unhappy) the processing may take a long time, and it can seem they are stuck in a loop.  This loop is a part of a 'time' in which they are isolated from their surroundings (because their created environment is 'closed', and obscures what is 'real' around them.  If something in the earth experience was especially tricky, they can stay in that state for a long time, indeed 'stuck', even though that is debatable.

There is a period of time in which they become available to be helped- they have dissolved some of the situation, and even though their attention is on their creation, they are more 'available' to see a projector and helper(s).  This is when you can help if you know them personally.
There is also a moment (right after death) in which they can see around them, and can see you also.  But that is a small window, and as far as the Moen book is concerned (and Monroe books too) this is when soul retrievals are done, to point them in the right direction into the 'hospital' (or 'reception center', depending on the experiencer's biases, I suppose), and they are guided to where they will do some 'afterlife' healing and processing.

Now I personally have only experienced two aspects of this- Once when a soul was going through processing and I was not allowed to interact with her (plus she couldn't see me at all)
And another time after some of the processing, in which I spoke with her and helped with some personal stuff.
Then some time after she started appearing in visions and actually gave me information about stuff that was happening that I didn't know about.

I've never done the type of retrieval that Monroe and Moen talk about (Moen in his  Unknown book, in the beginning) when massive amounts of people die and are confused as to what's going on right after, like in a massive disaster with hundreds of casualties.