Real-time Projection Into Space

[CptPicard]

Sorry my friend.... but in the nicest of ways....Are you Crazy? Projecting into space, earths direct gravitational influence... Have you been watching to much Start Trek?

Have you considered the possibility that you was dreaming?.... That most of you guys that think your projecting are in actual fact just dreaming?
Our minds are very powerfull, we can easily Delude ourselves into thinking it's actually real.

So I surpose my question to you is.... How can you be sure, 100% you wasn't just dreaming.

[Matthew Kingsley]

Let me answer your questions one-by-one in the order they were written.
Am I crazy? I would have to say yes, this is because any psychiatrist would
say I'm hallucinating during my sleep cycles. Aside from a psychiatric
perspective I would have to say I'm using a reflection of my waking conscious
mind to travel and perceive in a subtle body, or in a body that is not physical.
And no I've not been watching too much Star Trek, I used Star Trek's
Enterprise in warp speed as an analogy to describe how space debris was
behaving when it entered into earth's direct gravitational influence.

I have considered the possibly I was dreaming and I was, but the difference
between a normal dream and this account was I was wide awake and lucid and
using a subtle body to travel and perceive. I'm 100% sure I was dreaming
using my real-time double to perceive with instead of using my physical
body to perceive with. I'm 100% sure. You may still wonder "How can he be
sure". I'm sure because I was lucid and aware while my physical body was
sleeping. I know my physical body was sleeping because I put it to sleep.
It's a simple trick, you should try it.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[Hephaestus]

1) Earths gravitational influence wouldnt effect your projected form in any way, therefore you would have zero clue as to where Earths gravitational influence ended.

2) The chances of you actually seeing a piece of space rock entering the Earths atmosphere is slim to none even though many pieces of space rock enter the Earths atmosphere on a daily basis - even so, the majority of these rocks are so small you wouldnt see them and it would be quite some time between seeing any space rocks large enough to view.

Im afraid I have to agree with the previous poster and say you must have dreamt up the whole thing and that you didnt project.

[manuel]

oh come on! who in the hell are you people to say he didnt project!? im sorry, i had no idea this was the astral royal society lol, nah dude, sounds like a interesting experience, and from the sounds of it you did project, sheesh, just annoys the hell out me, when people out of the blue say "it was a dream" or "that wasnt a obe" etc, what bulls**t that is, how would they know?? any aay, peace.

[MJ-12]

xx

[ralphm]

I thought the idea of this place was not to judge if a person was or was not 'projecting' but to comment on the experience? I have not had any experience similar but I think anytime someone wakes from their experience vomiting it is an intense experience whatever you call it.

[manuel]

Exactly ralphm, first time i have heard of any one vomiting, it must of affecting his body in such a way.

[Matthew Kingsley]

Thanks to Manuel, MJ-12, and Ralphm for your support. I wasn't going to say
anything until you guys stepped in. This is a forum to discuss memorable,
unusual, and mystical out-of-body experiences. This is not as far as I know
a skeptics forum. Thanks for your support and co-operation.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[Hephaestus]

I used logic and my knowledge of astrology and astral projection to desern that he did not project. I dont need no s**t from people telling me I shouldnt tell people they didnt project - who are you people to tell me i'm wrong in my assertion? and how the **** am I judgeing his experience, this aint no chuffing trial, im giving out my opinion on his experience - if he didnt like my opinion then he shouldnt have posted about it. You guys need to get liiiiiiives!

* Edited for langauge..please tone it down *

[MJ-12]

xx

[jason]

I have to agree w/MJ-12,Hephaestus:

maybe on other forums people can get away w/that crap.BUT NOT HERE (just how old ARE you anyways-judjing from your primitive use of language,I would say you are in your mid teens,or earlier.if you are older than that,then please act like it;) ).and about "who the F*** are you to tell me I'm wrong on my assertion"?

I'll tell you:[]

it quite simply,wasn't your experience.you didn't wake up and vomit all over the floor[xx(].and I have news for you-dreams take place in temporary ASTRAL ENVIRONMENTS.where reality is temporarily 'molded' by our subconcious minds.

have you ever projected into the real time zone? or an astral realm close to this universe?

I HAVE.

and yes,there is alot of debris out there.just look at any nasa space shuttle footage.there's crap all over the place-earth has an atmosphere to deal w/it before we even notice it was there.

and yes Matthew-the distances are astonishingly vast in deep space.several times I've projected into space,shooting myself out of my body like a bullet,and then travelled even faster,andstill didn't really even get anywhere.I think the only way to travel to other star systems or planets is the 'instant travel method',which,unfortunately,leaves you open to shift into an astral realm.of course,this doesn't really matter,we never really travel in actual physical reality anyways,it just depends on how close you can get to it.

and about the matter of becoming sick-if you ever attempt another close astral/RTZ projection,you have to really focus your mind,so you aren't so 'open'.I don't know if that will help,but I always get the best results from being in a very focused state of mind-much more so than in the physical.so that I feel more 'closed off around the sides' (for want of better term!).also practice silencing the internal dialogue whenever possible,as this will really help you to focus,and not be overcome by the vastness.after all,we are surrounded by that infinity all the time,so therefore (hopefully) it must be a psychological issue.

good luck.don't feed the trolls.[]

[manuel]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

I used logic and my knowledge of astrology and astral projection to desern that he did not project. I dont need no s**t from people telling me I shouldnt tell people they didnt project - who are you people to tell me i'm wrong in my assertion? and how the f*** am I judgeing his experience, this aint no chuffing trial, im giving out my opinion on his experience - if he didnt like my opinion then he shouldnt have posted about it. You guys need to get liiiiiiives, jesus f***ing christ!

Take a nice deep breath...thats it, you need to be a little more calmer, my thoughts remain the same on this issue, i need to get a life? wheres that sarcastic smiley when you need it.

[CptPicard]

quote:Originally posted by manuel

oh come on! who in the hell are you people to say he didnt project!? im sorry, i had no idea this was the astral royal society lol

I did not say it was definitely a dream? for who am I to judge!
I was just expressing my opinion as I believe we all have a right to an opinion, so you may step down off your high horse.
Personally I think alot of people think they are projecting when in actual fact they are merely dreaming, logically when a person wants something so much their brain may trick them into thinking they have experienced something which hasn't actually realistically accured like projecting into space. So by speaking of the positive and negative sides to your experience you might get a greater understanding to whether it actually happened or not.

quote:Originally posted by ralphm

I thought the idea of this place was not to judge if a person was or was not 'projecting' but to comment on the experience? I have not had any experience similar but I think anytime someone wakes from their experience vomiting it is an intense experience whatever you call it.

I do agree with you ralphm, but I have also woke up from many dreams with intense vomiting simply because the dream was so overwhelming and I don't believe I (AP) I'm just giving you an insight from another perspective.
Off the topic slightly, 8 years ago when I was 16 I was with some friends and we were looking for UFO's which apparently were spotted in the area. We all really wanted to see them so much that we started to become delusional thinking that every plane which went past was a UFO because it had flashing lights and was traveling quite fast. The atmosphere in the car was incredibly intense and we all felt physically sick, and we was.
We never went to that spot and looked for UFO's again, infact we never even spoke about that experience again... "maybe we was abducted" who knows.
The moral of the story is, we all wanted to see and thought we was seeing something which actually wasn't real therefore making us physically sick through that intense overwhelming moment.
I don't think we take the capabilities or our minds seriously "realisticaly" and can at times become delusional.

And as to Hephaestus post, I think he is very knowledgeable with regards to the realistic scientific element of space astrology and once again was just expressing his opinion to which he has the right to do. So there was no need to criticize his post.

[manuel]

yeah one can say a lot with . look at it . damn, but realy dude, the guy has claimed he was 100% lucid during the whole experience, so how do we know he did NOT have an ap? thats all.

[Matthew Kingsley]

To set the record straight I was LUCID during both experiences. I also did
a lot of thinking about it and I remember having spherical vision during
both experiences. That rules out any remote possibility I was having an astral
out-of-body experience. It proves I was having a real-time out-of-body
experience.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[Nagual]

quote:I remember having spherical vision during both experiences. That rules out any remote possibility I was having an astral out-of-body experience. It proves I was having a real-time out-of-body experience.

Do you mean it's impossible to have spherical vision while APing?
I experienced most of the things you described but I never had an RTZ projection...

[Matthew Kingsley]

I'm not saying anything that I haven't said. What I can tell you is that
I've never experienced spherical vision during a lucid dream or astral
projection. And I've only experienced spherical vision during real-time
projections. Get it?

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[Nagual]

So, what "rules out any remote possibility you were having an astral
out-of-body experience" ...?

[Matthew Kingsley]

Nagual,

Spherical vision.

Sincerly,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[Nay]

Goodness ya'll..I deleted the blank posts.  Please try and reign it in, the anger that is.

MK, I found your post interesting and plausible.[]  I have never experienced space while having a OOBE but, hey..it's on my list!

When you say Spherical vision, do you mean 360 degree vision?  I'm just a bit confused on that one.

Keep it up Michael, think you are doing fine.[]

Nay

[Matthew Kingsley]

Nay,

I remember when I first experienced spherical vision. I didn't know what
it was I was seeing. Let me describe it to you the best I can.

The majority of your view it the view directly in front of yourself. There
is a band, and I say band because that is what it is- a BAND of images at the
top of your view. In the middle of the band you can see directly behind  
yourself like a small caption in the center of the band. And the left and
right sides of the band you can see to your left and right. I've always had
trouble navigating using the band I see because everything moves in the band
as I move. For instance if I move forward I not only see my surroundings getting
closer but I also see my surroundings moving away from me at the same time.
And there is left-right reversals to further confuse me. What I think is to my
left is actually to my right. This is because I'm looking to my left of the
band and knowing its a reflection of my right side because I can see behind
myself. Therefor what I see to my left it actually to my right. To stop the
confusion I use my whole entire body to turn left or right to see. Then I can
see what's directly in front of me in almost full view. What's directly above me
I've always had to turn to look or I get stuck looking at the floor. Having
spherical vision feels like having a compass on top of your head.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[mazdaaf]

wow sounds really confusing..getting dizzy trying to imagine it x_X. One of the reasons I first started getting into AP was because ive always wanted to see what it was like in space. Your experiance was inspiring and i cant wait until i do AP into space

much love,

~*~mazdaaf~*~

[Nay]

Hehehehe, I'm with ya on that one Mazdaaf.  I still can't wrap my mind around it.[]  It does sound like if it was to happen to me though, I would certaintly not mistake what it was..[]

I've had 360 degree vision, where you can see all around at once.  That is the closest comparison that I can come to.

And please...no blonde jokes. [)]

~Nay

[Nagual]

quote:I remember having spherical vision during both experiences. That rules out any remote possibility I was having an astral out-of-body experience. It proves I was having a real-time out-of-body experience.

Sorry, I still don't get it...
How can the spherical vision prove it was the RTZ?
Or maybe you were talking of another proof..?

[Matthew Kingsley]

Nagual,

When someone is in the real-time zone and perceiving with the real-time double,
spherical vision is apparent. Spherical vision is absent in astral projections
or lucid dreams. I can't be more straight forward than that.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca