SLUG

[Shamus]

Hi,
did you ever see in AP something like slug, it has no legs, no arms, just looking at and trying to fear, looks like it immovable cant do nothing but only trying to grab attention. What this ? Its funny to remember it It was during night AP.
Can i see myself in astral projection like third person or this is something other which is helping me get out of body?

[blis]

I've seen some wierd thing but havent seen a slug yet.

You can see your physical body from the third person.

If you mean can you view your projected body in the third person then I dont know. I've seen it in a mirror - I suppose that sort of counts.

[Shamus]

maybe you see black crowd of some entitities like shadows? i saw it in a distance they was rising big cross, like crucyfiing someone.

[Xanth]

Your "slug" is simply your interpretation of the data given to you. 
Objectively, it could have been just about anything.

[Shamus]

What do you mean objectively?

[Xanth]

What do you mean objectively?

When we "see" things while focused into the non-physical, we don't see things as they "truly" (objectively) are.  We see our interpretation of what we're seeing. 

So while you "saw" a slug... that was just the best visual that you consciousness could come up with to describe/define that which you were seeing.  Objectively, it could have been anything.  Next time, try interacting with it.  See what comes of it.  Try talking to it. 

[Shamus]

Thanks. Is there in astral objective things?

[Xanth]

Thanks. Is there in astral objective things?

Are you asking if that are objective astral "things"?
Sure, I don't see why not... everything has to have a base form, even if that base form is "formless consciousness".

In the end, it doesn't matter what something visually looks like... if it is a benefit to you, then it's a good thing.

[Shamus]

Do you have spiritual background for astral traveling? Like buddhism etc.?

[Xanth]

Do you have spiritual background for astral traveling? Like buddhism etc.?

Me?  I'm ... kind of an atheist. 

[Xanth]

I was biking home the other day, and off in the distance I saw what I thought was a dead squirrel lying on it's back and it's legs sticking up in the air.  Now, at the time I was absolutely positive that's what it was... I was about 50 feet from it.

This is, in essence, how our non-physical perceptions work.  Now, obviously as I biked up and got closer to it, I saw the object for what it really was: a folded up piece of fabric.  It clarified because, for the most part, our physical reality is objective.

If I had been biking down that particular stretch of sidewalk in the non-physical, that "folded up piece of fabric" probably would have retained that "dead squirrel" perception because I had formed the belief and expectation that that was what it was.

Does that make it any clearer?

[Astral316]

I think it's important to add that astral environments don't always (don't usually, in my experience) adjust to beliefs and expectations. If you didn't expect to see a slug, then another mechanism beyond your surface awareness and cognition was at play. That could mean it's either an objective being or a deeper aspect of yourself, if you prefer the material view. At the end of the day, the slug is a real thing because, as consciousness, you experienced it.

[Summerlander]

These little guys is as close as I got to slugs...or humanoid slugs! I call the "quasimodos", and they moved sluggishly-ish (other than that, no slugs ):

[Landshark]

In my first astral projection I had a guide who had no visible legs or arms. He just floated and had a tail of energy under him sort of like the genie from Aladdin. However, he did not resemble a slug.

[Summerlander]

He did, however, resemble the Genie from Aladin:

[Boom]

LOL Summerlander

Xanth i like your interpretation there of the dead squirrel / fabric.

But I think that is our mind filling a gap. We see something, we're not sure of what it is. So our mind fills the gap based on what we know. It happens everyday when you see someone from a distance and you think they look like someone you know until they become closer.

Oooh its all confusing i dont even know where i'm going with this   You see, I read that in the Astral, "People / entities present themselves to you how they want to" and also "You perceive people /entities how you think they should look" sounds like theres a bit of contradiction there. 

I guess its a case of determining if that slug is an object created out of your own subconcious or an external entity.

Whereas in the physical, that piece of fabric appeared to be something else because it wasnt abundent as to what it was until you got a better view of it. But at the end, no matter who looks at it, it was never a dead squirrel.  Whereas in the Astral two people could see trhe same entity and it could look completely different yes?

[TravelingBull]

Your "slug" is simply your interpretation of the data given to you. 
Objectively, it could have been just about anything.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its probably the only way you could interpret what it was! Ryan you crack me up bro!!!!!!!!!!!! What ever it is in ur life! its slow! and Ugly! nO FEAR AND NO HARM! hahahahahahaha! I try to ignore objects like this.... NO not ignore... no emotion! My first exit... emotional feelings brought me back! not use to not FEELING without body to confirm i think! just a newbie's thought.

[Xanth]

But I think that is our mind filling a gap. We see something, we're not sure of what it is. So our mind fills the gap based on what we know. It happens everyday when you see someone from a distance and you think they look like someone you know until they become closer.

And that's EXACTLY what I think is happening when you have a non-physical experience. 

Your consciousness fills in the gaps of what it doesn't "understand" with WHATEVER closely most matches the FORM of what you're seeing.
It's the same process that happens here in the physical reality... except in the physical reality, what the "thing" is will retain it's TRUE form once you get close enough to actually identify it due to the rather rigid nature of this reality.

[Summerlander]

...whereas in the non-physical, things are more fluid and tend to settle on something specific the longer it's observed...unobserved, however, the infinite potential is what's there, made of all the possibilities. We could be picking the realities that we want to see...or the ideas for realities.

And then something springs to mind. This could be the very purpose of our existence. We get our ideas from that realm and apply it to physical reality. That's where we get our ideas and see if they work in the denser world. We may think about ideas to improve our world and possible solutions to problems while awake, extract the metaphysical content/influence in the form of intuition, dream about things that relate to waking life (hence the saying "sleep on it") and, the most advanced and coherent way of consulting our archetypal reality (which transcends the physical) is to enter the Phase (i.e. have OOBEs and lucid dreams)

This brings me to another subject matter...

I think it is feasible that our universe is the result of a metaphysical idea which got denser and denser overtime. A very advanced idea which needed to persist. It's a collective reality and because of this, there are many rules that we must abide by. It may be progressing towards some form of efficacy though which will be a refined form of the idea which may already exist in its full entelechy on a more volatile level of existence (ultimate reality?).

It's gradually evolving, changing...it just can't do it at the same speed as the non-physical reality. The non-physical is closer to what reality is really like. Someone mentioned that the brain filters reality to the point where we only see a small portion...well...if that is true, because the brain is less active during the Phase state and our awareness is focusing in the non-physical, then we are not really using a physical brain there to perceive reality...we may be using an idea of this (which would be archetypal or very prone to quick alterations) and thus it is not so much of a filter but rather a vague idea of one which allows the observer to see more than what he/she would if it was a "real" brain. Thus, in the Phase state, we may see MORE of reality than what we do during the waking state.

And then, we have to speculate about an afterlife where individuals who are no longer tied to a physical brain get to see a lot more. Some may become confused about what they perceive while others may be more familiar with their surroundings. They could also be helping each other out...

But, where are slugs going? What are they evolving into?

EDIT:

I just thought of an addition to this argument...if everything starts in non-physical reality before it manifests physically, if the idea is already existent in the infinite potential (which from our perspective is unborn reality), isn't it logical then to think that even us, or the idea of us, was already existent in that level of reality before we were born? Thus, if the physical body dies, the idea of us continues in the infinite potentiality and subject to intrinsical change in order to be applied to other possible rigid ideas.

The discarnate personality may have difficulty letting go of the manifestation of this world though and for sometime may reside in the idea of the body that died (yes, the idea of this one is still existent and may still be applicable in other realities) and then move on to become or identify itself with other ideas that it may want to ride on. Hence, there is no real death...

This is only theory though, but one that derives from certain observations (both in waking life and in the Phase). Feel free to provide counterarguments.

[Shamus]

Great picture Summerlander
Thank you all for great ideas and clarity.
In a conclusion i want to say that i saw that slug, but it doesnt matter what it is. What matters is a process of astral traveling, continuation of things.

[Summerlander]

LOL!  The slug...yeah, that's the real mystery!