The Astral Pulse

 This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. I started having them last year purely by coincidence and we know there is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing makes you feel better inside then experiencing one of these. I have now, including today had 10 of these. One of them I am convinced was to retrieve me. We would love to hear your adventures with this as well. I will start with an incedible one I had today.
Upon awakening this morning, I went to the bathroom, got a drink of water, then went back to bed. I put out the intent to do a retrieval. So, I closed my eyes and started telling myself over and over again "let's do a retrieval". I just laid there noticing the blackness before my eyes, the blackness then went to the 3D stage and the next thing I knew a dark land mass started to take shape. It was a gloomy area, the land was pure black and in front of me there were pools of red water/lava. I thought it was water or goo because I didn't see or sense heat or smoke coming from them. I walked for a couple of feet, then came across one pool that had an upside down doll in the center of it. I waded through the red goo and got to doll. The doll's head was under the red goo, but the body was coming out, so I pulled the legs and freed it. I then realized this was my task and it was going to be a tough one. I could feel the abuse, the pain that this soul had in it. There was no facial features on the doll at all. No mouth, hair, nose, ears, no clothing, it was totally bare. I stared at the doll and a thought came to my mind, the next thing I know I am in a little girl's room with the doll. I hand the doll to the little girl. She hugs it right away. I sat down with the little girl we will call her Shelly. We decided to rebuild this doll, so we gave her hair first, then beautiful blue eyes with long eyelashes, a nose, ears, then we put a mouth on her and tried to get it to smile, but it wasn't ready for that yet. So, we settled on a slit for the mouth and gave her some cute dimples. Now I am a male, 48 years of age, so this was really difficult for me. Not to the fact of helping, but knowing what to do. The next thing we did is to decide what kind of clothing she would have. Of course Shelly picked a pink tutu with ribbons in her hair. Once we were done with the doll, we created a table, for tea paraties, a giant doll house with all the fixings.
Shelly loved her new friend, she brushed her hair all the time, had tea parties, slept with her, she treated her like gold. I needed to intensify this effect, so I created scenes where little boys came in and well boys will be boys, so they wanted to mess with her doll, but Shelly would have nothing to do with that. She defended her new friend like an armored guard.
Finally after what seemed to be months, the doll started to change. First was the eyes, life all of a sudden appeared in them. Then it was the feet, then the legs, body, arms, hands. A twinkle of the nose happened, the ears wiggled, then came the mouth. The slit finally turned into a smile. She then looked at us and said her name was Janice. and it was time to go.
She then jumped on my back, said good bye to Shelly and we were off. I saw that we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal. Janice broke free of them, ran back to me and gave me a big hug. Then it was over.
I want to reiterate again, there is no feeling in this world as good as you feel when you help someone in the Astral or Wider Reality. Today I am floating on cloud nine. My heart feels like it has grown.
On this site we learn to experience the wider reality. It is time that we try to go further. There are so many lost souls to be found over there. We need more of us to learn how to do this and I feel that learning this is as easy as creating an intent to do it. I do not share a lot of my Phasing sessions here, I have been told that I can help people to experience it, but that what I see is for me, it's personal. But I am allowed to share all the Retrievals I like with all. I would love to hear yours.
Thank you!
Lionheart :-)

If you look at this link (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/pul_pure_unconditional_love_retrievals-t33529.0.html;msg285254#msg285254), there is my method and some of my retrievals embedded.

Sending PUL or just talking to the person to be retrieved helps a lot. Often you
will know by intuition what to do. I think Ginny (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/profiles/ginny-u1404.html) is one of the best retrievers, so
it could be worth searching for her old posts.

Lionheart is a most accomplished Phaser.  He directly experiences the realities he perceives.  :)

Great retrieval, Lionheart. I think lost spirits always get assistance from guides, relatives, travelers like us, etc. Those who except help, will be shown the way, and maybe there are those who's negative thoughts and emotions keep them pinned to dark places for a long time.

Here is one of my stories:
From my journal 11/05/05, and this is a post also to another OBE forum on that day. Note! I do make some Halloween remarks, because this happened right after Halloween and I love this day, always go to theme parks to check out the decorations and the scary rides and haunted houses.

"OMG , I have never thought I would experience such thing. I just woke up from this OBE.
I went out and my thought was " I want to go where I am needed" WARNING! If you guys ever give this command, be prepared starling things to happen. Well, may be not every time and with everyone, but here is what occurred after I did it. Instantly I was sucked by a vacuum going down (I was up in the air). It was like whoosh and I past really fast through few layers of the ground and ended up in a coffin with a skeleton next to me . I was horrified for those two second I spent there. I thought " Hello, Halloween is over, not a fun joke". Then I mentally pulled myself out, but while I was flying back I felt something or someone attached to my back. When I got above the ground in the light, I felt release of the pressure from this " attachment" on me. I turned and I saw an unclear, blurry figure disappearing. I mentally said, " Wait, who are you?" Then in my mind appeared episodes of an old lady`s final days in the physical world. She was ill for a long time and she knew her end was near. Well, her belief was that after someone dies, he/she will reside in their grave. She thought we were no more than a  physical body and when we die, it is the end.  Somehow after she died and saw her funeral and her body laying in the coffin, her thoughts and beliefs attached her to it and she went straight down where she thought she belonged. Then I mentally wondered "How come you stayed down there since you were aware that you can still think and exist?". She responded that she did not realize, and she felt heaviness on her chest and weakness. All she knew was that her body was dead and buried. Of course the belief of her being her body was keeping her in her coffin. I have no idea how long in earthy time she spent there. Maybe not so long, I don`t know, but I am glad she is out finding her true self. Spooky huh? "

 Pauli2 Thank you for the link. There was a  lot of useful info to be found there.
Xanth, thank you for your kind words, I have found that when you make this part of you, you have opened a doorway to discovery. As long as you keep the doorway open, you are opened to new lessons and experiences.
LightBeam, thank you for sharing, I am shocked that having someone attached to your back after flying out of a coffin wasn't enough to send you back to your physical body.Just being in the coffin is spooky enough. You are definitely a brave woman.

Quote from: Lionheart on April 30, 2012, 01:04:40
I am shocked that having someone attached to your back after flying out of a coffin wasn't enough to send you back to your physical body.

It seems like I have programed my consciousness somehow, maybe even by an accident, to be so attuned to the astral once I exit, that sometimes I question if I have died, because I don't return for a long time no matted what extremes I may encounter LOL

Do retrievals last a long time?

It seems to me that a lot of these cases might be like an illness. Maybe like schizophrenia. Someone might come along one day and cheer you up. But the next day it's back at you, gnawing at you and you're back in hell.

Maybe that's how you become a permanent resident of the lower astral levels of the universe. You get sick. And no kind of retrieval ever gets you better... So they're left there.

Gosh, that's scary.  :-o

Quote from: shineling on April 30, 2012, 10:26:36
Do retrievals last a long time?

hmm? My retrievals seldom last more than an hour at the most, usually they are
5 minutes long with floods of impressions, sometimes less than a minute or even
seconds only.

In Earth time regards, it's my impression that retrievals can be prepared from the
other side (by discarnate Helpers) for months or even years.

Perhaps you are wondering 'for how long can people become stuck'? According to
Monroe/Moen they can be stuck for 1000s of years, but not necessarily in "hells"
at all times. Most people seldom are stuck more than a few decades.

Take for example a look at Ultimate Journey, pages 135-137, where a Neanderthal
woman waits for some kind of entity called "Megus".

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Let me first state that what I've read on the "stuck soul" issue is that most dead
people, according to the Monroe School, never get stuck. Instead they move
on to F 27 after death. It's only a minority that become stuck, some become
stuck alone in F 23 (at very rare occasions a few people may get stuck as a
very small group in F 23). Others may move on to some of the BST levels,
and become stuck there for some time with large groups of people of the
same mind.

(BST = Belief System Territories; Focus 24, Focus 25 and Focus 26)

At the Moen site, some OBE:ers (not me) have got the message from Helpers
that the whole Monroe Focus Level concept is an approximation, the real
division of "regions" in the afterlife are more diverse and complicated,
see for example Frank DeMarco's books (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/frank_demarco_amp_rita_warren_books-t36194.0.html).

Also, some people may not really get stuck, but they arrive in a state where
they have to work out their internal issues before they can move on to F 27.
Such people don't need retrievals, even if you may encounter them and they
seem to be in a haze.

It's also believed that many of us are doing retrievals in our sleep, but we
seldom remember our dreams, so most people can't know for sure. For
more info on retrievals, you may want to take a look at my link in my
previous post.

Quote from: shineling on April 30, 2012, 10:26:36
Do retrievals last a long time?
It seems to me that a lot of these cases might be like an illness. Maybe like schizophrenia. Someone might come along one day and cheer you up. But the next day it's back at you, gnawing at you and you're back in hell.

Someone that doesn't understand Astral Travel or Conscious Awareness may label this as an illness or schizophrenia. But people that have experienced it know otherwise. The physical time of a retrieval is minimal, mine are anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour. The Astral time, since there is no time there, could be years. You have to stay the course until the loop is broken or until your subject decides that they wish to move on to another realm. Your duty is to create an environment where THEY come to the realization that it is time to move on. A lot of times they are stuck in their own personal hell. You don't fear it yourself because you understand why you are there and what you are doing. You have to be crafty though, I noticed that the "Wider Reality" is full of puzzles. Nothing comes easy there!

Quote from: Lionheart on April 29, 2012, 16:23:17... we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal.

Fascinating exeriences. I'm also in training to become a retriever. I did one recently in the astral although it might have been a simulation / training exercise, not sure.
Question: have you been told what area this cathedral island is? What's your conclusion? Is it somewhere in Focus 27? Is the Welcoming Comittee your guides or specialised retriever guides who agreed with you to bring them there so they 'take over' from there? So it is always the same process then?

Quote from: Volgerle on May 01, 2012, 05:36:13
Fascinating exeriences. I'm also in training to become a retriever. I did one recently in the astral although it might have been a simulation / training exercise, not sure.
Question: have you been told what area this cathedral island is? What's your conclusion? Is it somewhere in Focus 27? Is the Welcoming Comittee your guides or specialised retriever guides who agreed with you to bring them there so they 'take over' from there? So it is always the same process then?

I feel that the Cathedral Island may be of my design, the first place I ever arrived when learning to travel was a beautiful beach scene. I used this as my "Safe Zone" or "Launching Pad" whenever I attempted to AP. But, I never had seen the Cathedral Building there or even the "parade route" that I am constantly walking down that leads to the Cathedral Building.
I don't really know that much about Monroe's Focus 27. I read Frank Kepple's Focus Levels and prefer those.
The "Retrievers" are always the same, dressed completely in white. Sometimes depending on the severity of the person they will have a stretcher to aide someone having problems walking. This happened during a war scene retrieval I had before.
Yes, it is always the same once the person climbs on my back, I see the Island from above. I am flying towards it.
This is my War Retrieval from July 4/2011
I just finished an afternoon session. I guess I have passed my school stage for now, since I haven't seen anything recently that resembled my school anymore. I thought I would post my new experience here. This was the most incredible thing I have seen or done in the Astral.
I started my session as normal, just kind of phasing and observing. I imagined seeing beautiful fireworks in the sky, since we are getting close to the 4th of July here in the United States and fireworks are everywhere. I was weird though because due to my ailment I have not gone to see the fireworks live for about 10 or 12 years. They were incredibly vivid. So, I started seeing beautiful colors exploding everywhere, the next thing i knew I was in the middle of a war zone. There were cannons shooting everywhere, bullets flying. I looked over to my right and there was a young man, he was badly wounded and bleeding. I went to him immediately and told him he didn't need to be here. I told him there was a place where there is total peace. I then threw him on my shoulders and flew away. The next thing I know we are in front of this beautiful white building (cathedral like), I walk up a number of steps, but it is tiring. I then remember I can fly, so I fly up to the top of the stairs. There is a platform there, suddenly a number of people converge from inside that building, (I take it they are nurses, they are all dressed in white). They take him off my shoulders and put him on a stretcher, then he is gone.
Now I am not a soldier and do not like war. This man had to be in his early 20's. He was thin, blonde short curly hair. The thing that was really strange was, I could actually feel a tear going down my face in the physical when I saw him lying there against that rock. After this entire scene played out, I went back to the war zone and disabled a couple of tanks by tying their turrets into nice big bows. This whole scene seemed like I had been there for hours. When I came back to the physical I realized I was only gone 1 hour.
I know there is a reason that all of us are waking up to the Astral World now. I don't believe in coincidence. I also know that everyone travels in their sleep. But, I believe the people that have been chosen to do this awake is for a reason a bigger purpose. I am not an incredibly spiritual person, but I do believe everything happens for a reason. Whatever it may be, I am honored to be one with this ability.

 This afternoon I did a Phase Session. I was enjoying a peaceful scene with a gentle wind blowing tall grass in a pasture, the sun was shining, it was beautiful. Then all of a sudden everything fades to the 3D dark zone and I am in some kind of room looking at an open window. It is dark and extremely gloomy in this room. I feel something go past me, look towards the window and see the silhouette of a female standing in the window. It looks like she has jumped. So I run up to the window, look down and there is nothing there but darkness. I then here the door behind me open, I turn to see who it is. I can't see anything hardly anything in this gloomy dakness. After a couple of minutes I feel the silhouette pass by me to the window, jumps and is gone. We go through this cycle of events again and again, so I see that I have to stop this. When the silhouette goes to pass me again I move in the way. Suddenly I can feel it's pain. It is a female, she was badly abused by everything in life in general. This started with coming into life as an accident, this was told to her over and over again by her mother. Her parents totally resented her period. They would let her know this basically all the time. She was seen as a misfit, an outcast by all that knew her, bullied to the max. Somehow I knew I had to change all of this. But, lacked time, because she was only in the room for a couple of minutes before she jumped. First I tried to turn the lights on in the room, but after she entered the room went dark again. I then thought maybe a pet would help, but when she got to the room the dog was dead. Everything that I did to change the atmosphere or situation was immediately reversed when she reentered the room, which happened every 5 or so minutes after she jumped from the window. I tried to talk to her, but she never said a word. I then went to the window with her, grabbed her hand and said I was going to jump too, I was trying to instill guilt in her that she was taking my life as well. That didn't work either, she grabbed my hand and jumped, I went too, but there was nothing to jump down to, it was like an abyss. A couple of minutes of falling and we ended up both walking in the room together. It was like the window led top the outside door of the room. It was really strange. I tried the jumping with her a couple more times, but then started to notice I wasn't feeling too good myself. I was losing my own determination to help her. I was being pulled into her dark reality. When I saw this I knew that drastic measures were needed. I needed help as well to pull this off. She went to the window as usual, jumped and then when she got back to the door of the room and entered I had a surprise for her. I had created everyone that had ever abused her. She stopped immediately in her tracks. I then had everyone there attack her with every negative thing they could say all at once. They had her all backed into a corner, there must have been at least 12 different people in the room. They berated her as badly as they could, she was cringing in the corner, sitting there with her hands on her head trying to block this all out. Finally she blew up and cried "Stop, I can't take this anymore. Take me away from this" One by one her tormentors disappeared, the room started to go light and I took her by the hand walked out of the room, we didn't need the window anymore. Once down at the street level, she climbed on my back and the next thing we saw we were landing at the beach. People were lined up like it was a parade as they usually are here, but there was a vehicle awaiting us. We climbed in, it was a beautiful red Chevy convertable, we stood up on the white seats like we were royalty as everyone on the streets clapped. We then arrived at the most elaborate Hotel I have ever seen, complete with red carpet and everything. This was strange to me because my normal Retrievals had normally ended at a White Cathedral looking building. 2 Bellhops in red came down and opened the door for us, we walked out, up the red carpet to the main door where we were met by a very distinguished looking gentleman and beautiful woman. She looked at me and said her name was Susan and she also thank me, gave me a kiss and hug. Then the gentleman and lady took her by the hand and escorted her into the building.
This Retrieval was very emotional. I didn't want to torment her anymore but knew I had to, that this was the only way to create change. I had been abused as a child myself. When I came out of this Phase session I found my eyes were wet from my own teardrops.

Hi,
What an experience. To be able to do the rescue you became part of the loop and then went on to be part of the cause.
Thats very clever, Im glad you succeeded for your own minds sake. You went past the call of duty to save this girl.
My hats off to you.

 Thank you Szaxx, I was at the point of no return, literally. I was so involved in her dilemma, that I couldn't turn away, even if I had wished at that time. To create her Tormentors to aide me was the hardest thing I have ever done in the Astral. Like I said at the end, I know how bad abuse feels myself. But at that point I had no other choice. Everything I had tried to do to cheer her and create happiness was being reversed. I really liked it that at the end Susan was being treated like Royalty. Which was the exact opposite of her physical experience. Perhaps she was Royalty and wanted to experience the other side of the coin. Who knows!

Hi,
Lightbeams warning is really worthy of notice. Take me to where Im needed isnt what you'd expect, its wide open and biting off more than can be chewed comes to mind. You really need to think your plan of action based on your knowledge. Its a feeling of elation when successful as Lion knows from the above experience.
I guess most of the retrievals are a one on one experience. Have you been called to eradicate something bad from a city for example?

Quote from: Szaxx on May 13, 2012, 18:31:25
Hi,
Lightbeams warning is really worthy of notice. Take me to where Im needed isnt what you'd expect, its wide open and biting off more than can be chewed comes to mind. You really need to think your plan of action based on your knowledge. Its a feeling of elation when successful as Lion knows from the above experience.
I guess most of the retrievals are a one on one experience. Have you been called to eradicate something bad from a city for example?

Actually to tell you the truth, there was absolutely no conscious intent on my part to have these occur. Like I say in the first part, I am normally doing something else that I am enjoying, then I am bounced back to the 3D Darkness and the Retrieval begins. In the first part of the Retrieval I am getting acclimated to my new surroundings. I don't really know it's a Retrieval until some kind of event occurs.
I have to learn a lot more about the one on one thing before I get "promoted" over to the eradicating evil from a city scenario. The one on one Retrievals are taxing enough for now.  :-)

Hi,
I wouldn't think promotion is the correct term here. We all have our expertise in our own field. Yours came to you with Susan. I wouldn't have thought the way you did for resolution. It really was an eye opener.
Eradicating the evil in a city isn't that difficult. When you can read the thoughts of thousands of inhabitants at the same time. They all wanted the same thing. So I helped them. In my way.... The dark ones were sent back to their own homeland and the rift sealed.  I smiled and then left. The place is called New Jerico so I was told. This I was asked if I wanted to do as my services would be appreciated. The two guys, one very tall and slim doing the talking the other watching me. They explained the problem and said I was indeed ready but unaware. Its a first for me of this scale at the time. I couldn't refuse the challenge, would you?
I definately smiled after that one....

 This is what I mean by the word Promoted.
Education . to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
Ever since I have began this journey I have found that it is like a "school" of sorts. Once you have learned something important you find yourself in the next stage, normally a higher stage or level. This is where a new challenge awaits. I'm sure there is no end to the teachings that can be found in the Wider Reality.

Guys, I'm starting to think that we don't only play a role in retrieving during conscious acting (lucid dreaming, phasing, obe-ing), but they also take place during normal dreams (when we are not lucid, or when we might be semi-lucid).

On number of ocassions I had dreams which were very deviated from a 'normal dream' scenario (I usually record around 8 or so dreams per night at high detail so I know my dreams pretty well (the repeating scenes, themes, emotions, personalities, etc. So when anything happens which is not 'normal' it sticks out immediately)

2 examples of normal dreams come to mind:

One was a dream about a little girl. The entire atmosphere was very grey and dark, it was night time, the girl was standing in the middle of the road (where cars drive, modern time). I approached her with a 'friend' (whoever, I don't recall any detail but the presence) and we told the girl that she will have to come with us now. She said 'But what about mommy (or something like that'. I said to her ''You will see them in time, but not for a while now, you need to simply come with us now''. And she got into our car and we drove off from the scene with her in the back, my 'friend' by my side and I don't remember which one of us was driving.  = Now this is screaming 'retrieval' for me, the girl might have been hit by a car or something, the entire atmosphere is very dark/cold/hazy.

Second example a few nights ago. To cut the long story short, I am sitting in a room, again with a 'friend' being present and I can't see this friend or say anything about them, I simply recall them being there, and I'm in a high storey worn out building, everything in modern time. On the bed next to me is sitting a man in his underpants and he is seriously sad about something. I understand he had an alcoholic problem and he tells me how he screwed everything up in life (he starts telling me about how he messed up his friendship with his brother, etc). At this point I don't know what to do, so I simply put my left hand around him (I'm sitting by his side) and he starts sobbing into me, I feel his sorrow.

Oh, and another example just popped in. This was during a long phase during the day. I was in a place akin to a coffee shop and there was a girl infront of me. Her head had the shape of a TV (in a bit you'l understand why). Around us were 'people' but I could not see them, I simply knew they were there all watching us and listening to me. I don't want to pull out my dream log now, but this is in essence what happened: I was talking to her and I said that I can show her what happened by introducing her to 'them' and that 'they' will explain it to her. What I did next was to focus on her head tv and I flew into the darkness in it. Everything went completely dark. Next thing I know I felt something I never felt before, it was a feeling like I exploded, it was so powerful that it hurt and I started choking in the dream (Like I exploded into millions of pieces in this darkness). It really freaked me out. Then I returned into the coffee shop and continued talking to her. Her head was no longer TV, it was now bandaged all over. Next thing she says is that 'they' explained everything to her. Now I ask her ''Who they? I didn't see anyone? I simply exploded in darkness''. She says that she spoke to ''them''. Then I start to unbandage her head and find out she has like a kind of pipe/nail thing that went into her head. Again, this was a very long phase for me, to cut it short, this girl was seriously insecure about her head as she started telling me that she feels ugly because of her head etc (hence she didn't want to show it to me and projected a TVhead instead), and I then had to reassure her that this was not the case that she was still beautiful and so on.


This brings me onto 3 questions, that I need your thoughts on:

1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

2. This brings us onto 2nd point. What other type of 'learning experiences' do we have out there? We know we have one type which we call 'Retrievals' and the aim of that type is to help another soul 'cross over', but what other types exist? Looking at my dream logs there are certainly different themes going on and repeating themselves over and over, with just different scenery and different 'players' in them, but the themes stay the same. I don't know what the themes are pointing towards. Any ideas what else we do in the greater reality?

3. On some phase trips somehow we know how to do things that nobody taught us or that we did not read about in the physical reality (eg: the stuff I do in some of my trips I understand nobody taught me, I simply know 'how' to do it when the moment comes (eg: I fly into people, I use other tricks to keep scenery from fluctuating or to return into previous scene and so on). On other phase trips we feel like we are just like in the physical reality (i.e. we seem to know only what we know and not more of it, this is the majority of my trips I'd say). Has anyone experienced this? What exactly is going on? Can we tap into the 'higher' knowledge and with what tricks?

Quote from: nikolai on May 20, 2012, 19:06:46This brings me onto 3 questions, that I need your thoughts on:

1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

2. This brings us onto 2nd point. What other type of 'learning experiences' do we have out there? We know we have one type which we call 'Retrievals' and the aim of that type is to help another soul 'cross over', but what other types exist? Looking at my dream logs there are certainly different themes going on and repeating themselves over and over, with just different scenery and different 'players' in them, but the themes stay the same. I don't know what the themes are pointing towards. Any ideas what else we do in the greater reality?

3. On some phase trips somehow we know how to do things that nobody taught us or that we did not read about in the physical reality (eg: the stuff I do in some of my trips I understand nobody taught me, I simply know 'how' to do it when the moment comes (eg: I fly into people, I use other tricks to keep scenery from fluctuating or to return into previous scene and so on). On other phase trips we feel like we are just like in the physical reality (i.e. we seem to know only what we know and not more of it, this is the majority of my trips I'd say). Has anyone experienced this? What exactly is going on? Can we tap into the 'higher' knowledge and with what tricks?

According to Moen and others, the answer to question 1:

1. Yes. In fact Moen is one of the persons preferring to do retrievals in regular dreams.


For your other questions, I don't know any good answers:

2. Express and experience PUL is one thing, but sometimes I get the impression that
such a thing can best be learnt in the physical. Also, according to Monroe, it is most
valuable that we learn physical movement, move our arms, legs etc, because that
ability can later be used in the non-physical. According to Leland/Moen we can
learn to better manipulate and create stuff in the non-physical. But I'm not
sure these are the right answers.


3. This is one delicate subject. I think it is the violation of free will. Monroe mentions
that he went through "lessons" over and over again, until he managed to do the
lesson in a correct way. Each time he had completely forgotten his last time (for
example Far Journeys, pages 103 - 106). The lessons were a way of
knowing if he had developed, I think he guessed. Our actions in retrievals are
sometimes not something we can direct, but is controlled by someone else, in
Monroe speak, our I-There (observed in Monroe's second book, but didn't get
a name until his third and last book).

So what you're saying is that you have access to wider reality in what people here are referring to a "dream"?  Fancy that... ;)

You have access to what you can do in a lucid dream... you have access to what you can do in an astral projection...

Hmmm... kinda sounds to me like they're all one in a same experience then, eh?  :D ;)

Quote1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

Since, to me, dreams are nothing more than astral projections in which you're unaware of... if you can program yourself before going to sleep to achieve a certain goal that night while dreaming, it's really no different than consciously astral projecting in order to attain your chosen goal.  In this case, doing a retrieval.  :)

I've had dream retrievals (although I sometimes only remember parts of it) and lucid retrieval scenarios who might have been simulations / training sessions. I am not sure if i really 'retrieved' a 'soul'. Could be, though.

Thank you guys, I'l get back to the Moen's books I downloaded but haven't read yet

As I understand there are at least 3 distinct types of interaction that we face within the wider reality (whether it is via normal dreams, ld's, phase, or whatever entry method we use)

1. Retrievals (we help other energy souls to 'cross over' via an interaction with them, for mutual benefit (they benefit) and we grow via such an interaction)
2. Receiving Lessons (we receive lessons, and these I divide into 2 types: 1) lessons in concepts (eg: downloading 'understanding'), 2) lessons in techniques (I recently had an ld where i asked 'it' (i.e. the wider reality) to give me a meaningful experience and the lesson that followed was mostly about how to 'move' within the wider reality, rather than helping anyone or talking to anyone, it was pure skill based lesson - what I learnt was a sensation which I can focus on next time to faciliate the change/manipulation of the scenery)
3. Giving Lessons (I recently spotted a dream where I was giving a lesson to an audience of maybe about 4 'people' about some concept. It was a normal dream, not an ld.

I wonder how many more styles of interaction go on and with exactly what 'kinds' of energies and from which 'systems'.

The 'lesson' style dreams (the ones where we download 'understanding') seem to take a whole different context than a typical 'dream/ld/phase'. I don't know if anyone else noticed this? Its like in those dreams/sessions there is almost no scenery, no objects to look upon, just the entities (not even as 'people' but you just as 'presence') and an information flowing back and forth - like a long detailed conversation.

If you become aware of this as you are falling asleep or waking up, there will be no scenery or anything, just lots of information going back and forth from you towards others, questions and answers and so on. Has anyone else noticed that, or noticed anything different?

I also recently realised that we don't need to phase to request and download 'understanding', we can do it via a creative activity, such as writing, painting, writing poetry. Especially if the mind is relaxed. Simply throwing a question out there and silently waiting for thoughts to appear that would answer it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. I guess it depends how still the mind is, how experienced the person is. Does anyone else use anything similar to 'download' information?
I guess parallel processing kicks in with this.

Has anyone else noticed something like this in your experiences? Anything else to add?

  Nikolai, you will do fine finding your way in the Wider Reality. You will find that the Retrievals leads to many puzzles, but they also lead to personal healing and understanding. I wanted to do this thread here to help new members to this site see what is possible. You will also find that you are taught many personal things in the Wider Reality and that those things should stay personal to you. I have 2 books full of adventures, I don't share them all here because they are personal to me. I think Retrievals are one of the most unique and fulfilling things that I have experienced in the Astral yet. They occur when you are mentally ready for them and with no warning.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

 Yesterday I said to a new member here named APtoVegas "Just wait until you are, can't really say asked, but you find yourself in a Retrieval situation. There's nothing that feels better inside than knowing you actually helped a soul/consciousness that was stuck in some way, shape or form. It leaves you feeling blissful for the next week!  

I went later and did a Phase Session. I have never explained my format before, so I will give you a quick layout of my process that I log.
                                                                 
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Starting time:5:30 pm
Ending time  :6:27 pm

Sensations: Vibrating, floating, quite a bit of vivid Hynog. Imagery, pivoting up and down sensation
Result      :Normally I write them in short form, but right now I am going to do it more in paragraphs.

A couple of minutes after my prog. relaxation and I am feeling vibrations kicking in to gear. I lie back and create my intent, this time it was to allow what is to happen to happen, with no initiating the destination. I say "By my act of will I realese my focus over my physical body. Please take me to your desired destination. Show me what i need to see. Teach me what i need to Learn".

Most likely a good 15 minutes go by now and all of a sudden I see a very vivid giant fly looking at me. He is close enough that I can view his extremely strange eyes. Ok, looks like I have passed the fear test, lol. Scene fades to black again.

Another 5 minutes pass and blackness starts to change. This time for some reason I  had forgotten my intent to not direct the scene and started messing with the visual of using a Yo-Yo. This is when I started experiencing the Yo-Yo sensation. Then I remembered I was supposed to be allowing what happens to happen, so I killed the scene and found myself back in the blackness again.

 Now the blackness was becoming much deeper and now it's starting to create a grey mist. A hole appears, looks like a tunnel. Not a tunnel, it is opening up to a view of my room again. But I am surrounded by hooded/shrouded entities. I watch this scene closely, then I see I am overhead watching from the ceiling. I can see each one has a hand on my body and I am aglow in white light.

Once again the scene disappears as abruptly as it began. But I am still in the 3d Dark Zone so I keep going, a grey mist starts to materialize again and I see I am in a room. Not mine though. The scene is still developing. I can make out a bed frame, I blast the thought, awareness now and and the scene develops.

Chained to the bed frame at the front of the bed is the form of a naked woman. As I get closer, yep, it's a naked woman alright. She is beautiful. I can see she is handcuffed to the frame. I immediately climb on to the bed to help her and see that her mouth is stitched closed. I create a key from intent and use it to open the handcuffs, they fall to the bed, but she just stays in the same position. She doesn't budge a bit. Her hands are still in the same position they were when I took the cuffs off. This puzzles me. Now I realize I am in a Retrieval. So, next I focus on her sewn lips. I start to take the stitches out, finish look at her again, now her eyes are stitched shut. Ok, what the Hell. Hm, need to think.

Then I start to understand a bit of what has happened. I think ok, speak no evil, see no evil, I take the stitches out of her eyes, fully expecting to hacvce her ears sewn up this time, but find that i am pinned to the bed and she is straddling me. She is grinding against me and now it is really hard to think. But I need to do something quick.

I look her in her beautiful eyes and say "If we are going to contine this, it is for you only. You are going to feel the pleasure, not me." She then slows her grinding down and I said "Everything I am doing here is for you. I came here to help you. You are the only important one. You are the one I am here for".

She then stopped her grinding all together and climbed off me, walked over to her closet and put on a robe. I then had her sit down on the bed and I told her " she was a slave to everyone in her life and that although it's true that this World was made for other, not self, that we have to make sure we do take care of ourselves. So we can be there to share with others, not be a slave to them.

She then stood up and I did as well, I grabbed onto her hand and we walked to her door. We left the room, went down some stairs and I saw that there was some kind of giant cabinet at the foot of the stairs. She immediately climbed into a open cabinet drawer. The drawer closed and she was gone.

Where this drawer led is anyone's guess.

My experience ended immediately after that drawer closed.

Although the entire adventure was strange, she never said a word the entire time, not a peep.

Now that it's over I question why I never left with her via flying with her and landing at that Island I always find myself at with the parades and the white Cathedral/Hotel or Hospital, which ever one it wanted to be at the time. You'll have to read some of my other Retrievals to understand that part.

I have a very strong feeling, this woman was either in a coma currently still here on Earth or was somehow Dreaming or something. I don't feel like this woman was Retrieved for a after life purpose. I feel that for some reason that giant cabinet stood for a entrance back to a Physical life. At least this is what resonate in me, doesn't make sense, but a gut feeling tells me I am right.

Thank You for listening!  :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on January 10, 2013, 00:14:20I have a very strong feeling, this woman was either in a coma currently still here on Earth or was somehow Dreaming or something. I don't feel like this woman was Retrieved for a after life purpose. I feel that for some reason that giant cabinet stood for a entrance back to a Physical life. At least this is what resonate in me, doesn't make sense, but a gut feeling tells me I am right.

I also realised that maybe we should define the framework of 'retrieval' a bit broader. It could also mean helping living people who are stuck in a life situation or seriously sick people (so it's also healing, in a way). I've had a 'retrieval' experience with a former childhood buddy about whom I found out later he's not dead yet but that he is chronically ill, he also lost a lot of weight and that was exactly how I saw him in the helping experience without knowing this before and it was confirmed later (= a little validation if you will).

Quote from: Volgerle on January 10, 2013, 05:59:08
I also realised that maybe we should define the framework of 'retrieval' a bit broader. It could also mean helping living people who are stuck in a life situation or seriously sick people (so it's also healing, in a way). I've had a 'retrieval' experience with a former childhood buddy about whom I found out later he's not dead yet but that he is chronically ill, he also lost a lot of weight and that was exactly how I saw him in the helping experience without knowing this before and it was confirmed later (= a little validation if you will).

I agree with this statement Volgerie. I just couldn't fathom the thought at first that this person could be still alive in this Retrieval. I had never experienced one like that before. But, now that I have, it has broadened my horizons on the term Retrievals.

The spider and the shrouded members surrounding me were likely some kind of fear test.

I haven't tried to Phase for about a month. For that matter, the whole thing could have been a test. Just to see if I still attained by ability to keep focus, no matter what was going on. You really have to be fully aware to do a Retrieval, you need to keep thinking on your toes. You never really experience the same thing twice, so you have to be quick witted. They can be very challenging at times.

Thank you for sharing!  :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on April 29, 2012, 16:23:17
This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. I started having them last year purely by coincidence and we know there is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing makes you feel better inside then experiencing one of these. I have now, including today had 10 of these. One of them I am convinced was to retrieve me. We would love to hear your adventures with this as well. I will start with an incedible one I had today.
Upon awakening this morning, I went to the bathroom, got a drink of water, then went back to bed. I put out the intent to do a retrieval. So, I closed my eyes and started telling myself over and over again "let's do a retrieval". I just laid there noticing the blackness before my eyes, the blackness then went to the 3D stage and the next thing I knew a dark land mass started to take shape. It was a gloomy area, the land was pure black and in front of me there were pools of red water/lava. I thought it was water or goo because I didn't see or sense heat or smoke coming from them. I walked for a couple of feet, then came across one pool that had an upside down doll in the center of it. I waded through the red goo and got to doll. The doll's head was under the red goo, but the body was coming out, so I pulled the legs and freed it. I then realized this was my task and it was going to be a tough one. I could feel the abuse, the pain that this soul had in it. There was no facial features on the doll at all. No mouth, hair, nose, ears, no clothing, it was totally bare. I stared at the doll and a thought came to my mind, the next thing I know I am in a little girl's room with the doll. I hand the doll to the little girl. She hugs it right away. I sat down with the little girl we will call her Shelly. We decided to rebuild this doll, so we gave her hair first, then beautiful blue eyes with long eyelashes, a nose, ears, then we put a mouth on her and tried to get it to smile, but it wasn't ready for that yet. So, we settled on a slit for the mouth and gave her some cute dimples. Now I am a male, 48 years of age, so this was really difficult for me. Not to the fact of helping, but knowing what to do. The next thing we did is to decide what kind of clothing she would have. Of course Shelly picked a pink tutu with ribbons in her hair. Once we were done with the doll, we created a table, for tea paraties, a giant doll house with all the fixings.
Shelly loved her new friend, she brushed her hair all the time, had tea parties, slept with her, she treated her like gold. I needed to intensify this effect, so I created scenes where little boys came in and well boys will be boys, so they wanted to mess with her doll, but Shelly would have nothing to do with that. She defended her new friend like an armored guard.
Finally after what seemed to be months, the doll started to change. First was the eyes, life all of a sudden appeared in them. Then it was the feet, then the legs, body, arms, hands. A twinkle of the nose happened, the ears wiggled, then came the mouth. The slit finally turned into a smile. She then looked at us and said her name was Janice. and it was time to go.
She then jumped on my back, said good bye to Shelly and we were off. I saw that we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal. Janice broke free of them, ran back to me and gave me a big hug. Then it was over.
I want to reiterate again, there is no feeling in this world as good as you feel when you help someone in the Astral or Wider Reality. Today I am floating on cloud nine. My heart feels like it has grown.
On this site we learn to experience the wider reality. It is time that we try to go further. There are so many lost souls to be found over there. We need more of us to learn how to do this and I feel that learning this is as easy as creating an intent to do it. I do not share a lot of my Phasing sessions here, I have been told that I can help people to experience it, but that what I see is for me, it's personal. But I am allowed to share all the Retrievals I like with all. I would love to hear yours.
Thank you!
Lionheart :-)

Wow, Lion.
That experience sounds quite profound. Very beautiful and changing. You weren't creeped out by the doll at first? You must be brave.
I came upon your story, from the shadow beings thread. It is interesting that you saw these hooded figures before having this experience. I wonder what they really are. :)
But well done. That was a very nice thing you did.

 Thank You Amorda!  :-)

Like I said, I think the Spider and shrouded/hooded entities were kind of a "Welcome back to Phasing" fear test. Just to see how I reacted and if I was ready to move on.

The Doll in that one Retrieval was freaky and took me by surprise. But I realized I was in an area where almost anything goes per say. I try to prepare myself ahead of time to witness anything that shows itself, but not to react to it too much as that would end the scenario.

This technique here helps with that immensely:  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/practice_but_practice_what-t39372.0.html

You stay with whatever vision shows itself to you, no matter how strange it is. You ALLOW it to develop and then let your curiosity boost your awareness!  :-)

The comment on some of the people being 'helped' could still be alive just reminded me of an experience while cycling to work
I posted an experience recently where I helped several young people into a safe location from a derelict abode where they were trying to survive. The place was made from streets that I knew just jumbled up somewhat.
In this experience one young girl in particular did most of the communicating.
I saw her waiting outside the local school gates one morning last week. An absolute double. She looked at me and smiled the same smile I saw in the experience. It caught me by surprise. I smiled back very tempted to see if she was named Olivia. I didn't though, the smile was enough.
Very strange...

Quote from: Lionheart on May 01, 2012, 15:50:50
I feel that the Cathedral Island may be of my design, the first place I ever arrived when learning to travel was a beautiful beach scene. I used this as my "Safe Zone" or "Launching Pad" whenever I attempted to AP. But, I never had seen the Cathedral Building there or even the "parade route" that I am constantly walking down that leads to the Cathedral Building.
I don't really know that much about Monroe's Focus 27. I read Frank Kepple's Focus Levels and prefer those.
The "Retrievers" are always the same, dressed completely in white. Sometimes depending on the severity of the person they will have a stretcher to aide someone having problems walking. This happened during a war scene retrieval I had before.
Yes, it is always the same once the person climbs on my back, I see the Island from above. I am flying towards it.
This is my War Retrieval from July 4/2011
I just finished an afternoon session. I guess I have passed my school stage for now, since I haven't seen anything recently that resembled my school anymore. I thought I would post my new experience here. This was the most incredible thing I have seen or done in the Astral.
I started my session as normal, just kind of phasing and observing. I imagined seeing beautiful fireworks in the sky, since we are getting close to the 4th of July here in the United States and fireworks are everywhere. I was weird though because due to my ailment I have not gone to see the fireworks live for about 10 or 12 years. They were incredibly vivid. So, I started seeing beautiful colors exploding everywhere, the next thing i knew I was in the middle of a war zone. There were cannons shooting everywhere, bullets flying. I looked over to my right and there was a young man, he was badly wounded and bleeding. I went to him immediately and told him he didn't need to be here. I told him there was a place where there is total peace. I then threw him on my shoulders and flew away. The next thing I know we are in front of this beautiful white building (cathedral like), I walk up a number of steps, but it is tiring. I then remember I can fly, so I fly up to the top of the stairs. There is a platform there, suddenly a number of people converge from inside that building, (I take it they are nurses, they are all dressed in white). They take him off my shoulders and put him on a stretcher, then he is gone.
Now I am not a soldier and do not like war. This man had to be in his early 20's. He was thin, blonde short curly hair. The thing that was really strange was, I could actually feel a tear going down my face in the physical when I saw him lying there against that rock. After this entire scene played out, I went back to the war zone and disabled a couple of tanks by tying their turrets into nice big bows. This whole scene seemed like I had been there for hours. When I came back to the physical I realized I was only gone 1 hour.
I know there is a reason that all of us are waking up to the Astral World now. I don't believe in coincidence. I also know that everyone travels in their sleep. But, I believe the people that have been chosen to do this awake is for a reason a bigger purpose. I am not an incredibly spiritual person, but I do believe everything happens for a reason. Whatever it may be, I am honored to be one with this ability.

I think I have seen this cathedral!!!!! Tall white steeple in design. The inside is dark with lots of stained glass. I also recall seeing an alter in the middle of the room. :) This was something I saw wayyyyyy back when I jest started practicing.

Quote from: LightBeam on April 30, 2012, 02:01:18
It seems like I have programed my consciousness somehow, maybe even by an accident, to be so attuned to the astral once I exit, that sometimes I question if I have died, because I don't return for a long time no matted what extremes I may encounter LOL

Ive thought I might have died before during AP especially when I had one in hospital! LOL

I have also been in the position where I decided I wasn't coming back, but I was told to and made to LOL

Amazing experiences Lion Heart, nice share, blessings.

I have yet to do a retrieval but its definitely something I'm open to in the future.  One of my very first experience in the astral may have been a retrieval.  I found myself out of my body and met with two guides by my bed. One of the guide began telling about an third entity approaching my room.  It was an orb circling my room. I was told it was a man that had committed suicide.  At that point I was ready to jam! lol  I had wonder why this orb was there and why the guides there also.

Quote from: spirited away on January 15, 2013, 16:07:27
I have yet to do a retrieval but its definitely something I'm open to in the future.

That's all you have to say. I'm sure your words have been heard!  :-)

Just ask and you shall receive!  :-)

 I have been keeping many of my Retrieval scenarios to myself for quite a while now, but this one is the most bizarre and involves an entire community or perhaps another civilization. I haven't quite figured it out yet.

It happened last weekend while I was staying a Motel, while away doing a Renaissance Faire.

I awoke and found myself with 100% conscious awareness in a Lucid Dream. I have had many Retrievals from a waking consciousness awareness, while Phasing, but my most unique ones seem to come from awaking in a Dream.

In this one I was a visitor to a unique civilization that was being rules by a powerful King. He was a ruthless King to boot. He constantly set his people up with all kinds of challenges, knowing they would fail. That was basically his form of entertainment.

I could see that the body I was using at the time was incredibly huge, as in muscular, almost Herculean.

This King had a huge machine that everyone knew about. This machine was a test of sorts, but if anyone could dismantle this machine, then it would free everyone on the planet from this oppressor's grip. He built it with many levels, almost layers of tests.

Many people tried to dismantle it, but failed, to this King's liking. The layers challenged a person in every way you could challenge someone. But, all the people that attempted never even put a dent into the machine. Once an attempt stopped, the machine would restore itself to the very beginning again and the person that attempted to destroy it, would like either perish or live their lives with the failure of not being able to do it.

I came into this area and made many friends. These were great fun loving people.

One day, I bore witness to this King's lust for disorder and destruction. It was in some kind of Casino or gaming room and he was having people lashed with barbed wire for his entertainment. I couldn't believe it, he forced the people of his community to witness this as well.

He traveled all over his planet and just played with people and their lives, emotions etc.

Well, what I saw in that casino sickened me. Then the next day he was performing public torture sessions in the cities or town's square. One thing I found is it was really hard for me to discern just how big this place was. Was it a town, a community, a city a plant? It was huge and it had a large population, that's all I could tell for sure.

After witnessing days and days of this torture I said I have seen enough and decided to act.

I immediately went to the machine and began to dismantle it. The machine or metal box looked to be about 10 ft high by 8 ft wide. I figured it can't be that hard to destroy. So I began taking pieces of sheet metal off  of it in layers. For every layer I took off, two more mysteriously replaced it. This went on for hours and I still didn't even make a dent in it.

A small group of people was beginning to take notice and surrounded me. I kept to the task though. Hours later I started to see that for each layer I took off, only one would grow back. I could see also that the King had spotters watching  me and my very small progress.

A few of the people watching would go periodically and grab me some food and drinks. But I stayed at the task at hand.

Finally after what seemed like two days of constant struggle dismantling the machine I finally came to the point where I could take a layer off and nothing replaced it.

I also noticed that the crowd had grown much larger now. People seemed to be showing more emotion and faith that maybe, just maybe someone could finally break through the barriers.

Now, I finally got to the core of the machine. This is when the challenge changed from physical muscle abilities to mental tests.

A screen had opened up on the machines face and I was challenged with word problems, math problems etc. Now, I am not the most intelligent person around and these problems were a bit more than I could solve myself. But one by one, different members of the crowd would approach me and help me solve the problems. They could do this because these problems had something to do with their current profession in the King's kingdom.

We went through this for a couple of days. Now the crowd was enormous, every time we solved another problem or equation, they roared with applause.

Finally we got through this level of challenges, then I got to find the next level of the machine. This level had to do with emotion.

The King was now there and he seemed to be enjoying this all. He had an army of men there as well.

His men grabbed 5 of the spectators and put a gun to their heads. The King then asked me if I wish to go any further. If I did, that meant  that these 5 people would be poisoned with a lethal poison and that I had 2 hours to find the antidote. I agreed and his men poisoned the 5 people, I then set the cure.

I returned back about a while later with the cure. I had to go hunting a deadly animal barehanded, kill it and then extract the antidote. I definitely was not enjoying this part of the challenge, but I need to help these people at all costs.

Then I woke up. All day long this problem plagued me. Could I do this any longer? Did I want to back into this scene again? I knew that this King's thirst for torture was high. But what was he going to do next?

Well, that night, I awoke in the same scenario, luckily I was close to where I had left off. I did have to replay a bit of what I did, but I knew how to handle it, because I lived it the day before.

His thirst for torture was savage and he kept using innocent members of the crowd as his targets. But, I found that I now immediately awaken for real, once I have completed one task.

This began 4 nights ago and now I am on my 3rd night of challenges.

I will see it through. Reading this you are liking saying. Why don't you just kill the King or end it in another way, since thought = action.

My answer is because I have to "play the game" per say as it's supposed to. I have tried to just end it quickly and found myself back in it immediately again.

This shows me there a rules. I just don't know how far I can go. This King will stop at nothing to keep me from freeing these people.

I have a feeling that Szaxx and a few of the other members here have been challenged similar to this as well.

Szaxx you have told me in the past to wait until you finally begin doing Retrievals on large groups. Well I am now there and am seeing that this is indeed a whole new level.

Thank You.

You're welcome,
Things progress far more than this too. I'll not spoil the fun too much.
This one sounds typical. You've so many things to do and get in rhe correct order too. Nothing can be missed or you will not get past the set challenge.
The poison test is so familiar, you had 2 hours. Imagine if they were young children and only 1 hour, these get more intense and the odds are stacked against you.
I can wager a large sum that time is so precious a commodity, you don't have enough and this plays on your mind too. A distraction we live with in this physical so we can work with it readily.
You have attained the trust of the people. That is an absolutely massive advantage. You will not see it and I can't interfere with the quest. It will come exactly when you need it. Youll understand later if not already clear.
The king, show no bad feelings, understand his actions as an illness. Anything negative is doubled, you've took the machine to pieces with some doubt, not good as you found out. As you continued irrespective of the apparent actions resulting from your attempt to dismantle it. Your mindset changed. Remember the change, its so subtle, use this as the king can't see it in you.
The kings intimidation failed as you took the distraction of barehand combat, the poison was to work on your mind. Think very carefully on your physical reality. You were supposed to fail with the tactile action.
If you stop this you'll also stop some aspect of self. Carry on and win.
I can't get involved yet, it's your battle.

They are a different kettle of fish. These do awaken something in you that you never knew was there. Its the juniors playground at present by the way. The seniors is another level totally, don't worry though, this transformation is far harder for one reason. Unfortunately you have to work it out.

Congrats for getting this  far successfully.

 Thank You for your reply Szaxx!  :-)

I had a feeling you would understand what I was talking about.

Just hearing your opinion and advice makes a difference.

I can see this adventure/quest is going to take a long time before it comes to a finale.

Last night I was shown bit and pieces of the challenge ahead. I was not taking on the machine in a physical sense.

I was shown how it came to be and watched as others failed the task.

But I shall see it through!  :wink:

Lionheart: Thanks for sharing this latest experience. I've never seen anything quite like this. I have experienced some powerful and crafty astral entities holding back large groups of energy fragments (personalities) from returning Home by convincing them that they are already in "Heaven." Some of them are powerful enough to essentially trap me for several days. Best of luck breaking through and helping out the natives.

 Thank You Mendel or should I say Michael!  :-)

I really enjoy your songs, they are a great inspiration.

The machine is everything.
I want you to find exactly what I mean.

 I posted this in a recent LD thread created by Lightbeam and felt it suited this thread as well.

I have found out myself lately that Retrievals are not necessarily achieved completely in one night.

When I first started having them, they were solved quickly. One night's LD or one Phase Session was all it took.

Now I am experiencing them, but it takes several nights to "fix" or "find" a solution to said problem.

I am currently on night 12 of a very challenging one myself.

At first I had to bear witness to the entire problem. After viewing it for days on end, I was then ALLOWED to interact with it.

I am patient, so I will do what I must to see this through.

The more you learn, the more you find you are being challenged even further.

Hmm, that sounds just like it is in this Physical Reality as well. Figure that, lol!  :-D

Was this the start of a retrieval ?

So iv never done one before, But I'm SUPER keen and iv been reading a lot about them on here lately so its fresh in my mind.

Ill try not to go into too much detail  :-P

This morning i was attempting to have an Obee, As soon as i gave up and rolled over it appeared i had just phased to a large one story old type house.

There was a huge long room at the end of the house with around 15 beds set all the way along with french door like windows to outside all the way along it,
I strolled down past the beds and veered left and found another hallway with some large rooms set off to the sides, I instantly got pulled towards the one on the right and had the knowing this is the room i need to enter to start my voyage on my retrieval.

I also had another instant thought like message and it said to me "Only enter this room once" ...? This really intrigued me now and i just NEW this is where i needed to go, So in i went cautiously at the start as it was very cluttered filled with bookshelf's and old tables and trinkets (This room especially, But the entire house had a very vintage old cottage style to it).

As i walked further into the room i noticed a small figure standing of an old lady but it looked to be a fake stuffed life size doll, As i got within a few feet it awoke and i was shown her true identity, She suddenly turned very real and walked to her desk.

She was a witch.. I found this funny but kept going with it, She was a very small lady with your text book witch like appearance, She said welcome, And i said hi how are you? She didn't really reply she was very limited to her words.. It was kind of strange. But anyways i had to pay her so i gave her an Australian 5 dollar note, She excepted and gave me 3 token like chips, They almost looked like poker chips.

I said thank you and have a nice day, She replied you must go and pointed but wasn't rude about it, Just limited to her wording again, I understood and gave her the thumbs up :lol:

I walked out the room and went down the hallway and had a knowing that i needed to ask "Take me to where i need to go" to start this voyage.

I was about to say it but i just wanted to have quick look in a few other rooms as this place was really cool! There was so much vintage stuff everywhere!

I went in to a small room it was very vibrant and had some indoor plants and cool paintings and lamp shades, I started to read all the writing on this one Japanese scroll like thing hanging on the wall, It was all so interesting and was VERY clear and focused, I was having a blast! Hah :-D

But i new i should probably go and start this retrieval that i was meant to be doing, Well this is the slight knowing i had, Im pretty certain i was about to set off to help someone but suddenly i lost my grip on the reality and woke up .. :(

I was bummed! But i managed to get back but appeared in a new room but new i was still in the same house, I felt i had to get back to the witch so i asked "Take me back to the witches room". (This was cool) I started to float up and went only just through the ceiling and into a void i guess you would call it full of electricity like photons.. ? It was all buzzing and looked like dense electric strikes but they were blue, Very strange never experienced this in the astral.

Almost looked like a game of some sort where you would die then it would put all the photons back together and phase you back to life somewhere, It then moved me slightly over to the right i could see the top of the room i just left in my peripheral.

I smoothly floated down ever so nicely and i was just outside the witches room whom gave me the tokens, I watched her from the outside with someone else but had the knowing not to enter the room as i was told before only to enter once. I felt i should just enjoy this experience anyways and cruised around a few other rooms but it didn't last too much longer and woke up again.

So. Im guessing this was going to be a retrieval ? Is this how it can start ?

Im pretty devastated that i didn't get to pursue it or that i didn't do it straight away, But exited that maybe ill get to start from where i left next time..? Or have i missed the boat..?

Iv been having trouble to hold onto my Obee's lately.. I REALLY need help grounding myself when there, They always end way too quick :(

Cheers for reading.

 It sounds like the onset of a Retrieval.

But even if it wasn't, it's still a fantastic NPR experience.

You have the right intent, so favorable results will follow.

When I first had mine, I didn't even know it was Retrieval or for that fact, I didn't even know what a Retrieval was.

I was just in my learning mode and that's one of the things I was taught.

Mind you, I still haven't left that "learning mode" yet. I see anew almost every time I Phase or LD.

QuoteWas this the start of a retrieval ?

So iv never done one before, But I'm SUPER keen and iv been reading a lot about them on here lately so its fresh in my mind.

This is how it started for me. I read about the retrievals that others had and was a bit envious to be honest. The idea of helping someone like this just instantly resonated with me and I wanted to help.

QuoteIm pretty devastated that i didn't get to pursue it or that i didn't do it straight away, But exited that maybe ill get to start from where i left next time..? Or have i missed the boat..?

I'm inclined to believe that this probably was the start of a retrieval. Not because of anything in particular but more so because our intuition during OOBE are exceptional. So I would trust your gut feeling. On the other hand, we can be completely misled even in the presence of a guide if they believe there is a more valuable lesson.

Some retrievals can take many experiences to figure out while others can be done almost instantly. I believe we are chosen specifically for what we can personally bring to the table. Someone else may have done hundreds of retrievals yet they may not have the particular insight that you have to offer and therefore you may be more properly suited.

Don't waste time feeling devastated. Like our resident retriever expert Szaxx always says, "Failure is not an option." If this truly is a retrieval, you will return and get the job done. It can be difficult for others to figure this out for you since you were the one chosen to get it done based on what you have to offer. But please share more with us. Success is elating and I'm a junkie for these!

I have never yet experienced a retrieval in 30 years. it's not a problem.. I just can't take part in these threads and feel a little left out.  :lol:

My true function in this evades me... yet I am happy nonetheless :-D

QuoteI have never yet experienced a retrieval in 30 years. it's not a problem.. I just can't take part in these threads and feel a little left out.  cheesy

My true function in this evades me... yet I am happy nonetheless grin

I have never met someone whom I love and has past that wasn't just a thought form of mine. One of my best friends died about two years ago and many people rumored that it was suicide. At the time I believed this was very damning and I was consumed for months with trying to contact him but to no avail.

I think there are several reasons why I never did reach him, a couple being that he may not have wanted me to and another is that I may have had the wrong intentions but I don't feel this is so with some others that I wanted to reach.

The experience that you wrote about when you saw your mother was one of the most touching since I am a mama's boy.

Another experience that I have always wanted but have yet to have is a meeting with God/Source/Creator.

We don't always get what we want but if we try, sometimes we get what we need. Thank You Mr. Jagger.

Thanks Lion :)

@ its_all_bad - I was the same very envious of others doing retrievals, Mainly as you say i really want to help people, And what a fun way to go about it!

Plus there would be nothing worse than being stuck somewhere! Whether in the NPR or in our physical reality, I would hope that someone would help me so i want to help the others!

I too believe it was the start of a retrieval, Like you say the intuition side let me no, I new what was about to happen.

Love that about the NP, The knowing is ever so great!

Whether it be a lesson or a retrieval I'm ready and cant wait to get stuck in, As fun as roaming around in the NPR is i REALLY would rather help, Learn, And Grow from my experiences.

Thanks for the kind words people, I no ill be back soon and ill be sure to share my experiences :)

Quote from: enlightnd on June 25, 2013, 21:15:42
Was this the start of a retrieval ?

So iv never done one before, But I'm SUPER keen and iv been reading a lot about them on here lately so its fresh in my mind.

Ill try not to go into too much detail  :-P

This morning i was attempting to have an Obee, As soon as i gave up and rolled over it appeared i had just phased to a large one story old type house.

There was a huge long room at the end of the house with around 15 beds set all the way along with french door like windows to outside all the way along it,
I strolled down past the beds and veered left and found another hallway with some large rooms set off to the sides, I instantly got pulled towards the one on the right and had the knowing this is the room i need to enter to start my voyage on my retrieval.

I also had another instant thought like message and it said to me "Only enter this room once" ...? This really intrigued me now and i just NEW this is where i needed to go, So in i went cautiously at the start as it was very cluttered filled with bookshelf's and old tables and trinkets (This room especially, But the entire house had a very vintage old cottage style to it).

As i walked further into the room i noticed a small figure standing of an old lady but it looked to be a fake stuffed life size doll, As i got within a few feet it awoke and i was shown her true identity, She suddenly turned very real and walked to her desk.

She was a witch.. I found this funny but kept going with it, She was a very small lady with your text book witch like appearance, She said welcome, And i said hi how are you? She didn't really reply she was very limited to her words.. It was kind of strange. But anyways i had to pay her so i gave her an Australian 5 dollar note, She excepted and gave me 3 token like chips, They almost looked like poker chips.

I said thank you and have a nice day, She replied you must go and pointed but wasn't rude about it, Just limited to her wording again, I understood and gave her the thumbs up :lol:

I walked out the room and went down the hallway and had a knowing that i needed to ask "Take me to where i need to go" to start this voyage.

I was about to say it but i just wanted to have quick look in a few other rooms as this place was really cool! There was so much vintage stuff everywhere!

I went in to a small room it was very vibrant and had some indoor plants and cool paintings and lamp shades, I started to read all the writing on this one Japanese scroll like thing hanging on the wall, It was all so interesting and was VERY clear and focused, I was having a blast! Hah :-D

But i new i should probably go and start this retrieval that i was meant to be doing, Well this is the slight knowing i had, Im pretty certain i was about to set off to help someone but suddenly i lost my grip on the reality and woke up .. :(

I was bummed! But i managed to get back but appeared in a new room but new i was still in the same house, I felt i had to get back to the witch so i asked "Take me back to the witches room". (This was cool) I started to float up and went only just through the ceiling and into a void i guess you would call it full of electricity like photons.. ? It was all buzzing and looked like dense electric strikes but they were blue, Very strange never experienced this in the astral.

Almost looked like a game of some sort where you would die then it would put all the photons back together and phase you back to life somewhere, It then moved me slightly over to the right i could see the top of the room i just left in my peripheral.

I smoothly floated down ever so nicely and i was just outside the witches room whom gave me the tokens, I watched her from the outside with someone else but had the knowing not to enter the room as i was told before only to enter once. I felt i should just enjoy this experience anyways and cruised around a few other rooms but it didn't last too much longer and woke up again.

So. Im guessing this was going to be a retrieval ? Is this how it can start ?

Im pretty devastated that i didn't get to pursue it or that i didn't do it straight away, But exited that maybe ill get to start from where i left next time..? Or have i missed the boat..?

Iv been having trouble to hold onto my Obee's lately.. I REALLY need help grounding myself when there, They always end way too quick :(

Cheers for reading.

You actually left the room going into the others. The distractions are massive in number as you found out. This could have been a retrieval easily but you failed the second test. The .
Distractions will make you fail and you fell for it unfortunately. The first test was not to enter the room again. You did this with flying colours. That is important. You will get another chance and more tests of your dedication will be provided. Be ready for them, the scene will be very different and you may not even recognise it.
It appears the guidelines are based on your ability to not drop out in any way. Be dedicated to the cause and you'll be successful.
Tricky tests will start the experience. These are normal.

Quote from: Szaxx on June 26, 2013, 05:13:53
You actually left the room going into the others. The distractions are massive in number as you found out. This could have been a retrieval easily but you failed the second test. The .
Distractions will make you fail and you fell for it unfortunately. The first test was not to enter the room again. You did this with flying colours. That is important. You will get another chance and more tests of your dedication will be provided. Be ready for them, the scene will be very different and you may not even recognise it.
It appears the guidelines are based on your ability to not drop out in any way. Be dedicated to the cause and you'll be successful.
Tricky tests will start the experience. These are normal.

Its so obvious to me now you point them out! Dam! I don't like failing.. I new i should of taken off straight away, But the place i appeared to set off from had obviously been staged in a way to intrigue and distract me and see how much i really wanted to do the retrieval.

I will be more on the ball next time and keep to the task in hand, Not letting anything get in my way!

Iv got what it takes guides, Lets try again tonight hey!  :-)

I like your conviction.
The time will come when you're not expecting it.
You'll be somewhere and have a basic knowledge on what to do.
The rest is up to your handling of it.

The impression I get, is its way higher than your guides setting you up.
Be ready. :wink:

Quote from: enlightnd on June 26, 2013, 09:21:14
Its so obvious to me now you point them out! Dam! I don't like failing.. I new i should of taken off straight away, But the place i appeared to set off from had obviously been staged in a way to intrigue and distract me and see how much i really wanted to do the retrievals.

Don't worry, us Humans as a whole are always great for "second guessing" ourselves and sometimes ignoring our "inner warning systems".

It doesn't surprise me that it would happen in the NPR as well.

Just last night or should I say this morning, I awoke in some kind of 3 way technical challenge and I saw that I was cheating to win.

This doesn't make me feel too good about myself today.

I thought I had handled that have to win, ego, competitive thing, long ago.

But if I was being true to myself, I tell everyone that with this practice here that in my mind "failure is not an option".

I guess that stubborn attitude could arise in other situations as well.

AP is not a competition for me though. "RE-Learning" this "skill" here is important to me.

As promised, some early days learning experiences. These had to be done before any retrievals were given. A different mindset from the physical HAD to be learned. These were unexpectedly irritating as at that time ,late 60's and before I was 10 yrs old, my NP worldly experiences had recently taken a massive jump to the astral proper. I wanted to learn and see so much more than our physical related world lonely experiences.

In the training sessions at the outset, I was given tasks to perform. Some of these made no sense at all and had no practical use or purpose. That's how I saw the training. I didn't understand the depth and as a result ended up getting frustrated at the reoccurring scene playing over and over again.
I was so wrong in my assumptions.
I couldn't see the point in spinning plates on a spiky stick.
First time I was shown how to do it with one plate. You were not allowed to touch a thing.
You sat in a comfy chair and looked into the room. A floor full of holes evenly spaced. A pile of spiky sticks and lots of white plates.
I'd already learned levitating things to a fine art in one lesson. What this reoccurring event did was a mystery.
What caused this very important lesson was a requirement where I had to learn the respect of order.
Every night I'd spin a plate. Nothing, just nothing happened. This went on for a few nights. It then dawned on me that the spinning wasn't what was important, it wasn't, it was a lesson after all.
I started to move a stick and a plate and spun the plate by rotating the stick beneath it. Then another and another.
After getting 25 or so going the waiting pile started to shrink. Then chaos. The first one fell then the second and so on. I instantly lifted all the plates off the sticks to prevent waste. They all immediately returned to the pile complete with sticks.
The floor was clean and I was really confused.
It was another failiure.
I started again, this time faster and got 45 plates spinning.
It then hit me in the face, what the lesson was about. I had to get 100 plates up and take care of all of them for some time. It took a couple more nights to do this.
I could then apply this ability to anything. It wasn't about plates. It was about control. You have to do simple tasks many times and do them without losing your original direction. So keeping everything going means taking responsibility for your actions. This entails making sure everything you set up will remain that way. It taxes your brain into the importance of what you have done that still requires attention and the end goal which must be accomplished no matter what this is.
An important lesson learned.

Another one,
I would wake, or so I thought, into a white room. This was universally lit quite brightly. It had a good feel to it. I looked around and instinctively knew the task at hand was to simply leave the room.
Yeah, the room had no doors or windows. Being perplexed by this inconvenience , I sat down and thought about the how-to. Initially the typically physical mind engaged in a cure. I ran at the wall and stamped on it full on after jumping to get full momentum. Yep, futile.
It softly absorbed the impact and remained intact.
I remembered my early RTZ days of night flights (5 yrs old)and tried to leave that way. Again this was not permitted.
I tried heating it up and this failed. I also had a good feel of every inch of the walls for a hidden door, again nothing.
I sat down again and thoughts of being trapped permanently started to form. I pulled out of this the first time, fear getting in the way. It repeated the next night. I was trying everything physical world related and found nothing of any use no matter what tools I created.
I sat down on the warm floor and contemplated my predicament. After a while I realised that creating a tool was half the answer as I was permitted to do this.
It then became apparent, the answer was staring at me. Why bark when you have a dog?
Making various tools to force the impossible was an action. Opening a door would also be an action and the door didn't exist.
I made a door by thinking of a black line as an artist would, starting an outline and then filling in with all the trimmings. A wooden paneled door formed and I simply opened it wide. The other side was a black grainyness, so familiar to me. I left the room and entered the void.
Lesson learned.
This I have used many times to my advantage in many sticky situations. Recently pulling a character through a brick wall to safety and to get some undivided attention. It did both...

So interesting!  Thanks for sharing these.  I am wondering if others who do retrievals are tested in a similar way.  Would be interesting to compare.

These lessons were many in number. Each one requiring resolution before the next. Being very young at that time and having absolutely no help from anything in this physical world the learning was difficult at times.
For around 3 years previous to this I had to face my fears in various unkind situations.  These nightmares dissipated the second I learned to let go and stop running away. The knowledge was so far my grasp, the books did exist but not for an 8 year old. Libraries were totally useless as you had to be 13+ to get into the reference section. They were mean places in the 60's. Lol... I had already read the encyclopedia Britannica and almost memorised the Oxford dictionary. Stupid grownups... Everything was against me, still my determination burned like a fire in a fireworks factory. There's no way I was going to surrender to these stupid illiterates.
I now obviously have realised this incessant determination, once correctly directed, was of great use in the NP. Way back this wasn't even a thought.
It certainly is a requirement in a retrieval. Some take you deep into your past fears and your memories flood in while you're strutting your stuff. The mental and emotional challenges in these are very powerful. Your instinct is to pull out and fast too. I've done this and the side effect haunts you for a long time.
That's the main reason why failiure is not an option.
There's so many early days memories returning at the moment and I'll select those that are related to training in connection with retrievals.

Quote from: soarin12 on October 12, 2013, 02:28:23
So interesting!  Thanks for sharing these.  I am wondering if others who do retrievals are tested in a similar way.  Would be interesting to compare.

I think everyone is tested in one way or another, to prepare them for the Astral proper. Common sense is one of the things that is really needed for successful Retrievals. That and being able to think "on your feet".  :wink:

A good way to find out how a member was possibly tested is to go to their profile and start at the beginning of their posts. You can read the profiles/posts of all members here. By doing this you can see how your own progression is coming along as well.

Many times before I actually post a reply to a person, I go to their profile and read their previous posts. This tells me quite a bit about them in general and also aides me in creating a reply that fits their situation and current mindset.

Quote from: Lionheart on October 12, 2013, 03:52:40
I think everyone is tested in one way or another, to prepare them for the Astral proper. Common sense is one of the things that is really needed for successful Retrievals. That and being able to think "on your feet".  :wink:

A good way to find out how a member was possibly tested is to go to their profile and start at the beginning of their posts. You can read the profiles/posts of all members here. By doing this you can see how your own progression is coming along as well.

Many times before I actually post a reply to a person, I go to their profile and read their previous posts. This tells me quite a bit about them in general and also aides me in creating a reply that fits their situation and current mindset.

I see....Will do.  :)  BTW, How are you guys defining the astral proper?  How do you tell the difference?  I mean, all my experiences feel and seem completely real.  How would I know if I was there or not?

The beginner stages were ALL in the RTZ. These are where you go to actual physical locations. Some differences randomly occur and these are from the minds of others who's memories have influenced the time space. I've noticed this in buildings that appeared smokey or partly translucent. These have been demolished and a view into the local history verifies these did exist.
You are typically enjoying yourself as you learn to gain control of things like flying, hovering...
You can go to houses and pull your friends from their body but they HAVE to become lucid and be themselves or they will not recall a thing.
The astral proper is totally different in its feel. A few assimilated locations are a match to the physical but the ambience is totally different. As a likeness, a compilation of VGA black and white photos (RTZ) to a full colour high resolution virtual reality ( astral proper).
The 'locales' available to you are infinate and some are pure colour with no form ( body or things of apparent substance). Everything in these is mentally oriented and telepathic in nature. The love you feel there is unlike anything on earth and you don't want to return at all.
There's dark places too, these are horrid and the ambience presented instills a need to get away at all cost. Staying here itself is almost impossible, you get removed and sent to a nicer, more suitable location that fits your mindset and personality.
I've used physical labels to effect a description as best I can. Its a concious awareness that's universal to all. The dark places are different for each of us as our interpretation will differ. My Badlands experiences were dark to me. To another they may be too much and scarey past sensibility causing long term side effects.
Imagine being 8 years old in the hellish scenes from the film Constantine.
I can relate to this setting, it's something I was in at that age. I learned a great deal there. I could handle it mentally and manipulating this environment was one hell of a few years of lessons.
Nothing phases me now as a result. I'll spare the details, we have young members who may not be as composed as I.
It's not something you'll experience.
Not one posted or read experience has been made where the one having the experience has been placed outside of their capabilities.
Possessing the patience of a saint gets tried. This with other developments are always within safe limits to the practitioner.
Your limits are NEVER exceeded.
It's safe and one aspect of your lifetime you may take with you  to the next.
That then becomes outside the context of this topic.

Thanks, Szaxx, for the really great description.  I didn't realize that astral proper was everything 'not RTZ.' --Thought maybe there was some middle ground.  Mine have been mixed since the beginning.  Haven't had a RTZ one for quite a while, though.  Funny you should mention the locale that's all color and no form.  I was just there last night for the first time.  Wow!  Sooo beautiful!!

It's a wonderful place of mind, where nothing but love and kindness abounds. There's nicer places too. The ones I've rarely experienced, if not the same, are pure white light everywhere. You are all and all is you. It may be the source in its glory. The human mind really struggles to mix with this universal oneness. I am far from thick and with my massive experiences, I struggled to accept it's basics.
My first visit was guided and I was rejected from it for being barbaric. It was my very first visit to the astral proper and part of my request to see heaven and hell. The oneness or it's represent authority was told of my innocence. I've thought about this recently and it appears that individuality is unknown to it. It may be threatening to the whole or perhaps classed as an insubordination. I had the feeling of rejection and left knowing I'd not return. My first implant and I never realised how powerful this action can be. I do them myself on occasion to serve a purpose. I had the answer to one of my questions in '69, It's just been answered by a recall of my first outing. Amazing isn't it.

Quote from: soarin12 on October 12, 2013, 10:58:19
I see....Will do.  :)  BTW, How are you guys defining the astral proper?  How do you tell the difference?  I mean, all my experiences feel and seem completely real.  How would I know if I was there or not?

I used that term the "Astral proper", because you are on a Forum named the Astral Pulse. So, I figured I should stay with that term.

I prefer to use NP (non physical) as my terminology and I feel that anything that you are not aware of in this physical reality/realm, is indeed a NP experience. This can be a number of things, but I choose to put them into the same grouping. You may come at the NP/Astral from all kinds of different directions, but once you finally arrive and start logging your results, you start to find patterns that are the same.

The only thing I feel that is different is your level of awareness at the time and yes, that makes a huge difference in your initial interpretation of what is really happening.

How many times do find yourself an active participant in a Dream? You are so involved and it seems so vivid and "real", that you don't know the difference. You haven't quite gained full conscious awareness that indeed you are in a Dream. But, you still have the recall afterwards. If you did gain full conscious awareness you would find that it has taken a completely new form. That heightened awareness means everything!  :wink:

How many time do you find yourself in a Daydream where it's the same vivid, realistic area. The only difference is most Daydreams are over very fast, then you return to this awakened reality again, but you usually don't have the grogginess that you did from awaking in the morning from a full night's sleep.

If you try creative visualization, at first it's hard to get any image at all. But, after about 20-30 minutes of doing it, you find yourself right smack in the middle of this vivid and realistic scenario.

All three of these are achieving the same goal. They are just coming at it from different paths.

Now with a Retrieval, you have to be fully consciously aware. You need to be able to alter the scenario at a moment's notice. You are deep in a zone where thought = action, so you must control those thoughts. The tests you will receive beforehand or training should I say, will see if you are ready to handle this.

My first Retrieval occurred spontaneously, but I was already put through a "classroom scenario" of sorts that prepared me for being able to at least function in the NPR consciously aware. One of the things I was shown quite early in my training was depth perception and this came from my early guide/mentor (deceased brother in law). He was doing a seminar on a huge stage. He then bent down and picked up a bow and arrow, aimed my way and shot it. I saw that arrow as it was flying towards me. This showed me how real this place really was, lol. Talk about 3D, in your face, lol. I spent quite a bit of time in those classrooms and was shown a number of things that were going to help me navigate my travels and the way I reacted to them. For the longest time I was told to "just observe" everything. Even today, I still have times where I am told to just observe.

   

Quote from: Lionheart on October 12, 2013, 17:52:56
I used that term the "Astral proper", because you are on a Forum named the Astral Pulse. So, I figured I should stay with that term.

I prefer to use NP (non physical) as my terminology and I feel that anything that you are not aware of in this physical reality/realm, is indeed a NP experience. This can be a number of things, but I choose to put them into the same grouping. You may come at the NP/Astral from all kinds of different directions, but once you finally arrive and start logging your results, you start to find patterns that are the same.

The only thing I feel that is different is your level of awareness at the time and yes, that makes a huge difference in your initial interpretation of what is really happening.

How many times do find yourself an active participant in a Dream? You are so involved and it seems so vivid and "real", that you don't know the difference. You haven't quite gained full conscious awareness that indeed you are in a Dream. But, you still have the recall afterwards. If you did gain full conscious awareness you would find that it has taken a completely new form. That heightened awareness means everything!  :wink:

How many time do you find yourself in a Daydream where it's the same vivid, realistic area. The only difference is most Daydreams are over very fast, then you return to this awakened reality again, but you usually don't have the grogginess that you did from awaking in the morning from a full night's sleep.

If you try creative visualization, at first it's hard to get any image at all. But, after about 20-30 minutes of doing it, you find yourself right smack in the middle of this vivid and realistic scenario.

All three of these are achieving the same goal. They are just coming at it from different paths.

Now with a Retrieval, you have to be fully consciously aware. You need to be able to alter the scenario at a moment's notice. You are deep in a zone where thought = action, so you must control those thoughts. The tests you will receive beforehand or training should I say, will see if you are ready to handle this.

My first Retrieval occurred spontaneously, but I was already put through a "classroom scenario" of sorts that prepared me for being able to at least function in the NPR consciously aware. One of the things I was shown quite early in my training was depth perception and this came from my early guide/mentor (deceased brother in law). He was doing a seminar on a huge stage. He then bent down and picked up a bow and arrow, aimed my way and shot it. I saw that arrow as it was flying towards me. This showed me how real this place really was, lol. Talk about 3D, in your face, lol. I spent quite a bit of time in those classrooms and was shown a number of things that were going to help me navigate my travels and the way I reacted to them. For the longest time I was told to "just observe" everything. Even today, I still have times where I am told to just observe.

   

Thanks, Lionheart.  Yea, I have been defining AP the same way.--As a projection with full conscious awareness.  The thing I always have in the back of my mind is that I wonder if I interact with 'fake' people (thought forms) or are they conscious souls.  When you guys said 'astral proper' I wondered if maybe the testing grounds were 'fake' people and the astral proper people were very obviously real ones. But it sounds like from all the reading I've done that you can never really be sure about that unless you get a validation.

My tests:  stop an attacker--pass-- It was pretty easy!  All the horrors of SP prepared me well.     Lust--fail--I've gotten a little better but this is still a big problem.  Helping people in need--pass--seems natural.  manifesting thoughts/desires--sometimes pass sometimes fail.  Last projection I came across a poodle with sickly looking eyes--all white with cataracts.  I tried to heal him but couldn't do it. 

Quote from: soarin12 on October 13, 2013, 01:55:21
My tests:  stop an attacker--pass-- It was pretty easy!  All the horrors of SP prepared me well.     Lust--fail--I've gotten a little better but this is still a big problem.  Helping people in need--pass--seems natural.  manifesting thoughts/desires--sometimes pass sometimes fail.  Last projection I came across a poodle with sickly looking eyes--all white with cataracts.  I tried to heal him but couldn't do it. 

I'm sure that many of us share the same "track record" as you have here. I found the hardest thing to control was lust though. I had no problem with horrors, healings, badlands, etc. But when it came to lust I would always get drawn into it, like I had no control over it at all.

Now, it has changed, but personally that was my biggest battle. Once again, I don't understand why because I am not like that in this physical reality. I think it has something to do with "Human Nature' in general.

I like your honesty on lust. I've not really had many experiences at all with lust. It's something I joke about in the physical as harmless banter. In the NP it's not presenting a memory at this time. I've nothing to recall.
Looks like Im missing out lol
Perhaps  not, I'd never of been able to save Olivia in that retrieval.
Ill have to think on this.

I am reading our above conversation on lust from 6 mo. ago, and thinking on whether I've made any progress! The underlying problem is still there but it seems I've learned to control myself lol.  That's good news for me. :)

This doesn't seem to be a retrieval as far as 'retrieving' goes, but maybe just being a helper of some sort?

I phased to a place where a little boy of Indian descent (maybe 9 yrs. old?) was sitting all alone looking depressed.  I sat next to him and tried to talk to him but he was very closed.  I felt like I should just sit quietly with him and respect his space, and eventually, he opened up and we were able to talk a little.  Seemed like he just needed love, so I held him in my arms and poured love energy into him.  I stayed with him in this way for quite awhile and eventually phased back into the physical.  In thinking about the experience later, I could have tried to take him somewhere, but I would have only been doing it because I've read that is what your supposed to do.  In the experience itself, I never had the feeling I was supposed to take him anywhere, nor did a guide tell me I was supposed to.  Figured I should wait for direction on that.  Do you agree?

When you left did you FEEL his depression had gone.
That's a successful job.
As it's a one on one and probably your first, it may have been a test or more likely you've progressed with the control thing and now are deemed capable to help others.

Yes, I felt his depression had gone and felt I did what I was supposed to do, but the one thing I'm now wondering about is --do you have to be careful that the love energy doesn't get too strong?  Can it ever be too much for them?  I remember it getting very strong by the end and that's when I ended up back in the physical.  --I didn't choose to go back.  It just happened.

I think this timely removal was to show you how much is required. Each retrieval is different and NEVER beyond your capabilities.
If you really think carefully, I'd guess you instinctively knew when the task was completed.
A fast exit is typical in these early on. It's so your mind is on the task as you wake. Having a million questions floating around your head is one way to recall everything as you phase back to the physical. It cements the memory quite well and very little gets lost on waking.

Ok.  Yes, your right, I did feel like I had completed my task even before I was removed back to the physical.  It was a simple task and I had exactly the skills necessary.

Hope this doesn't de-rail the current conversation, but I was wondering if someone could explain to me what retrievals are? I've read about a dozen pages from this thread and have been enjoying reading about many different retrievals. But I'm not sure I understand exactly what they are. Are you coming to these people in their dreams to help them or what?

These people are trapped in some way, they can't move on. Many are stuck in a never-ending loop like in groundhog day. Sometimes a group need help like those crossing the border in WW II. Their fear of being shot manifests and this puts them in a loop.
On occasion a whole realm needs help.
This is rare and one massive challenge.
You seemingly get taken away from your travels as they begin and get left there. Sometimes you know many details, sometimes you know nothing and are left to sort things out.
Retrievals have a feel to them, you instinctively know you're on a mission.
In the early days you have total physical recall from the start, once you've done a few hundred your memory gets restricted to what you need to know. On a few occasions you have no knowledge of the physical world whatsoever and you are in a totally new environment thats as real to you as this physical world.
You know something needs your attention and failing this isn't an option.
They are very real and can push you to your limits.

Quote from: Szaxx on April 15, 2014, 05:40:22
These people are trapped in some way, they can't move on. Many are stuck in a never-ending loop like in groundhog day. Sometimes a group need help like those crossing the border in WW II. Their fear of being shot manifests and this puts them in a loop.
On occasion a whole realm needs help.
This is rare and one massive challenge.
You seemingly get taken away from your travels as they begin and get left there. Sometimes you know many details, sometimes you know nothing and are left to sort things out.
Retrievals have a feel to them, you instinctively know you're on a mission.
In the early days you have total physical recall from the start, once you've done a few hundred your memory gets restricted to what you need to know. On a few occasions you have no knowledge of the physical world whatsoever and you are in a totally new environment thats as real to you as this physical world.
You know something needs your attention and failing this isn't an option.
They are very real and can push you to your limits.

Wow, that is incredible. That sounds like something I will definitely be doing one day. So I assume these people who are trapped are dead and maybe don't know it? Obviously they are no longer in the physical realm if you are helping them in the astral, right? Also, do you choose when you go on a retrieval or does it sort of "happen to you"?

They mostly are unaware of their predicament.
This applies to groups too.
Some are relatively simple, you appear before them and show them the way to go. Then you have to   engage those chasing them at a risk to yourself. I've been shot a few times and it hurts until you fix yourself. You're limited in your choices of actions too. This is not known at the time within the experience but you realise it before it's over.

I do sort of choose to do some, if I'm not ready they don't occur, being tired or partially lucid ends up as a standard dream. I have to get plenty of sleep first, they then occur at random. The bigger ones are rare and they are the best experience you can have.
What you do is not your choice, your ability is seemingly assessed then it's go go go.

Quote from: Aaron330 on April 15, 2014, 14:01:36
Wow, that is incredible. That sounds like something I will definitely be doing one day. So I assume these people who are trapped are dead and maybe don't know it? Obviously they are no longer in the physical realm if you are helping them in the astral, right? Also, do you choose when you go on a retrieval or does it sort of "happen to you"?

These links might be of interest to you:

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/lifeline

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=retrievals

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/ret-arch/

:-)

Quote from: Volgerle on April 15, 2014, 19:34:16
These links might be of interest to you:

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/lifeline

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=retrievals

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/ret-arch/

:-)

Great resources there, thanks for those links. I read through a dozen or so different retrieval stories and I think I am starting to understand them better. From what I understand, these are not necessarily the actual PEOPLE who are lost in the afterlife with some sort of problem, but it is usually an aspect of that person which they are struggling with?

For example, one guy helped a lady out who was digging in the mud for her baby that she believed was buried. He had to help convince her to move on and that her baby was ok no matter what happened, but that she wouldn't find him in there. This wasn't the actual woman's spirit somewhere in the astral plane, but just an aspect that represented the part of her that still deals with the sadness and depression of this loss?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Quote from: Aaron330 on April 15, 2014, 22:59:33
Great resources there, thanks for those links. I read through a dozen or so different retrieval stories and I think I am starting to understand them better. From what I understand, these are not necessarily the actual PEOPLE who are lost in the afterlife with some sort of problem, but it is usually an aspect of that person which they are struggling with?

For example, one guy helped a lady out who was digging in the mud for her baby that she believed was buried. He had to help convince her to move on and that her baby was ok no matter what happened, but that she wouldn't find him in there. This wasn't the actual woman's spirit somewhere in the astral plane, but just an aspect that represented the part of her that still deals with the sadness and depression of this loss?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I cannot correct you in any way because my answer is: I don't know.  :|

We can only speculate.

Yes, it is well possible that at some level a retrieval is much more healing of a person.

Many APers also 'retrieved' aspects - even of themselves. We are multidimensional beings, so this might be a kind of healing if you retrieve some personality aspects that came about ("split off"?) by a kind of trauma or problem and thereby heal them.

I had some experiences of this kind of "healing-retrieval" myself, one also with a little validation of sorts: I 'retrieved' or "helped" a former friend whom I saw in a slim state although I always remember him as an obese guy, he was NEVER slim, so this already was a strange and unfamiliar sight of him. I had not seen this guy for 20 years or so. Only later (!!!) another friend who is still in contact after all those years with him told me about him: He is often very sick and chronically ill. And that he therefore lost weight considerably!  :-o

I had helped him in a kind of delirious state with him wandering about aimlessly and quite lost in the city of your common childhood. The delirious state indeed seems to have hinted to s.o. rather more ill than dead. I then connected him to another friend of him from that time (who passed us) and that one then led him away (home) in a caring way. It had all patterns of a 'retrieval' including the connecting with a guide, but it might rather have been a healing of sorts. As far as I know he is still alive or at least was alive at the time I did the 'retrieval/healing'. Maybe there is not much difference between these two regarding the process and intent (both is being of service to s.o. else who got 'lost' in some way).

In other retrievals I just took the person's hands and counted down in order to 'shift' reaching out with my other hand above me and then the light set in, that is when the experience always ends for me. I do not know if that was a soul retrieval helping them home (into the light) or just another way of helping an alive being out of a state of coma/delirium/confusion by always 'giving them some kind of (en)light(enment)' about their situation. Again: I don't know.

Be that as it may have been, it is always a good feeling to have helped s.o., even if it wasn't 'real' but a simulation, which I don't know either. I suspect there is some 'realness' however in the sense that I really dealt with another soul or an aspect of it.

Quote from: Volgerle on April 16, 2014, 11:00:29
I cannot correct you in any way because my answer is: I don't know.  :|

We can only speculate.

Yes, it is well possible that at some level a retrieval is much more healing of a person.

Many APers also 'retrieved' aspects - even of themselves. We are multidimensional beings, so this might be a kind of healing if you retrieve some personality aspects that came about ("split off"?) by a kind of trauma or problem and thereby heal them.

I had some experiences of this kind of "healing-retrieval" myself, one also with a little validation of sorts: I 'retrieved' or "helped" a former friend whom I saw in a slim state although I always remember him as an obese guy, he was NEVER slim, so this already was a strange and unfamiliar sight of him. I had not seen this guy for 20 years or so. Only later (!!!) another friend who is still in contact after all those years with him told me about him: He is often very sick and chronically ill. And that he therefore lost weight considerably!  :-o

I had helped him in a kind of delirious state with him wandering about aimlessly and quite lost in the city of your common childhood. The delirious state indeed seems to have hinted to s.o. rather more ill than dead. I then connected him to another friend of him from that time (who passed us) and that one then led him away (home) in a caring way. It had all patterns of a 'retrieval' including the connecting with a guide, but it might rather have been a healing of sorts. As far as I know he is still alive or at least was alive at the time I did the 'retrieval/healing'. Maybe there is not much difference between these two regarding the process and intent (both is being of service to s.o. else who got 'lost' in some way).

In other retrievals I just took the person's hands and counted down in order to 'shift' reaching out with my other hand above me and then the light set in, that is when the experience always ends for me. I do not know if that was a soul retrieval helping them home (into the light) or just another way of helping an alive being out of a state of coma/delirium/confusion by always 'giving them some kind of (en)light(enment)' about their situation. Again: I don't know.

Be that as it may have been, it is always a good feeling to have helped s.o., even if it wasn't 'real' but a simulation, which I don't know either. I suspect there is some 'realness' however in the sense that I really dealt with another soul or an aspect of it.

Interesting. I'm sort of starting to understand these better, but still trying to piece it together. I've ran across a concept of Frank's that I believe has something to do with this. It's the concept of people being stuck in "emotional loops" in the Astral. Frank describes people that die sometimes end up projecting their emotions into a continual loop on the astral for hundreds of years. On page 169 of the pdf Frank says,

QuoteWith many of them the emotional-lock could so very easily be undone: if they would just stop for a moment and observe just one little aspect about what they are doing. But they go on missing it by a whisker, each time. So the loop, or spiral, continues.

I thought everyone had the same process in death from reading many NDE's. Meeting "The Light" seeing their life review, etc. So do these people go about their business after all of this death process is over and then proceed to create an emotional loop for themselves unknowingly? Last question (I'm chalk-full of them, I know). Is this what "retrievals are? Going into people's emotional loops and/or fear projections that they are stuck in and don't realize it, and helping them to get out? Because I can imagine wanting to do retrievals on many of my highly-religious family members who will no doubt be stuck in the "Christian Heaven" on the BST for quite a long time.

Wow retrievals are so amazing! It really all seems pretty deep, how you could help someone in that way. Must be very difficult at times, figuring out what to do, I know when your trying to help someone in the physical sometimes it seems impossible to do anything for them. Having the desire to help them, but at the same time getting dragged down with them. I can't imagine how it is in the non-physical.

I was wondering, can people ask to have soul retrievals done on themselves? Or would a person who knows about soul retrievals and know enough to to ask to have one done even need one in the first place?

Quote from: Ellury on May 26, 2014, 00:43:47
Wow retrievals are so amazing! It really all seems pretty deep, how you could help someone in that way. Must be very difficult at times, figuring out what to do, I know when your trying to help someone in the physical sometimes it seems impossible to do anything for them. Having the desire to help them, but at the same time getting dragged down with them. I can't imagine how it is in the non-physical.

I was wondering, can people ask to have soul retrievals done on themselves? Or would a person who knows about soul retrievals and know enough to to ask to have one done even need one in the first place?

The basic issue is that when anyone asks for help, it is provided. Sometimes I get help when I don;t even know I need it. There is really a variety of needs that anyone can have and also a variety of abilities that a helper could use. It's a job that is done by volunteers and so if you available, willing and have the abilities, you can do the work. That's all it takes.

I would definitely be willing, but I know I don't have the ability. I mean, I'm in no position to help anyone, but I have a desire to help people. There's just the part of me that .. really does care about people and hurts to see people fight and suffer. When someone is pouring out their feelings to me, I want so badly to be able to do the right thing for them to cheer them up. I don't know why I feel so emotional about this. Everything I've been reading in this thread has just been tugging at my heart... maybe it's because I know I've been the cause of messing up someones life because I couldn't get past my own feelings.

I wish someday I am able to help some people move on too, but I may have to fight some fears first and not to mention enhancing my abilities.

Two nights ago I had an interesting regular dream though. A guy I know in real life was doing something very dangerous, I was at the roof of a big building and I have a fear of heights but he was playing on the edge of the building. I firmly told him to stop because that was a very dangerous thing to do but then he kept going back because his little sister followed his behaviour and now was maybe trying to end her life? This ended with me getting her in a corner with her brother by her side and trying to convice her not to do that, both of them were crying, I got the sense in that moment that she had a very difficult life and was abused by her mother, so I told her it was difficult but she had to move on and she wasn't alone etc. Then when I felt it was ok I just softly caressed her head and woke up.

I don't think this was something real but perhaps a test to my intent/natural reaction? Who knows, when it happened I just felt I absolutely had to act. I'm confident some day I will get to help for real.

Ellury & Micael,

Honestly, what I'm reading in both of your dreams and experiences, you are already beginning the sometimes subtle and sometimes not so subtle, testing of your willingness and capacity to work in various modes such as Retrievals. Be open to the possibilities.

That's great news EV, I'd love to help and it would make me very happy for various different reasons. I'll keep practicing.  :-)

Really? That is pretty exciting! : )

Quote from: Micael on May 26, 2014, 02:53:59
I wish someday I am able to help some people move on too, but I may have to fight some fears first and not to mention enhancing my abilities.

Quote from: Ellury on May 26, 2014, 02:35:02
I would definitely be willing, but I know I don't have the ability. I mean, I'm in no position to help anyone, but I have a desire to help people.

The first step is dealing with your own blocks, whether they are fears or other things. You first have to be able to get to that place where you can help, that's the biggest hurdle. The higher you can raise your energy level/frequency the more you can do. Many times when I am helped in the AP, the helpers just touch me and that does it. 

I have only met someone one time who I feel needed help, but he couldn't reach out. He seemed very frightened and was in a hurry to leave after I started talking to him. He was a religious man who had an accent from the southern U.S. It seemed like I had gone back in time and I explained about how we have the internet where I am from and that I would look him up when I got back. I got his name which was a very unusual name. I could only find one reference to anyone with his name when I looked him up. It was a guy who had died about 3 years ago. He was from the southern U.S. Hoping I run into him again and can offer help if he is willing. 

I do hope you guys have the chance to do retrievals. It's a busy afterlife and help is always required.  These experiences are crystal clear and have a different feel to dreaming or AP.
You know some details at the start and instinctively follow YOUR way of doing what's required.
They can be quite grand at times once familiar with a good number of experiences. To start it's typically a one on one and never above your capability to do the job.
You'll understand my motto, 'failiure is not an option'. It has a new meaning in retrievals that's hardly apparent in the physical. I hope you're free of most fears and your emotional side is ready for waking to new experiences.
The inner strength you'll already possess and the care is obvious from your posts.
The roof experience may have been a test.
If it had a sort of FEEL to it after the experience you'd have noticed the difference from typical dreams in the overall ambience.

Quote from: deepspace on May 26, 2014, 05:13:50
The first step is dealing with your own blocks, whether they are fears or other things. You first have to be able to get to that place where you can help, that's the biggest hurdle. The higher you can raise your energy level/frequency the more you can do. Many times when I am helped in the AP, the helpers just touch me and that does it. 

I have only met someone one time who I feel needed help, but he couldn't reach out. He seemed very frightened and was in a hurry to leave after I started talking to him. He was a religious man who had an accent from the southern U.S. It seemed like I had gone back in time and I explained about how we have the internet where I am from and that I would look him up when I got back. I got his name which was a very unusual name. I could only find one reference to anyone with his name when I looked him up. It was a guy who had died about 3 years ago. He was from the southern U.S. Hoping I run into him again and can offer help if he is willing. 

That's a great verification deepspace, what are the odds. Hope he gets out of his own fright.

I know that eventually I will get there because spirituality, meaning, going within and growing up is pretty much my life. I could go as far as saying that at some point spirituality was more my father and mother than my actual parents.  :-P

Quote from: Szaxx on May 26, 2014, 05:47:48
I do hope you guys have the chance to do retrievals. It's a busy afterlife and help is always required.  These experiences are crystal clear and have a different feel to dreaming or AP.
You know some details at the start and instinctively follow YOUR way of doing what's required.
They can be quite grand at times once familiar with a good number of experiences. To start it's typically a one on one and never above your capability to do the job.
You'll understand my motto, 'failiure is not an option'. It has a new meaning in retrievals that's hardly apparent in the physical. I hope you're free of most fears and your emotional side is ready for waking to new experiences.
The inner strength you'll already possess and the care is obvious from your posts.
The roof experience may have been a test.
If it had a sort of FEEL to it after the experience you'd have noticed the difference from typical dreams in the overall ambience.

Well I did have a feeling after the experience so much so that I couldn't sleep afterwards but I figure that could've been my interpretation... It was a pretty vivid dream also but nowadays my dreams generally happen like that because I'm heavily building my recall, the situation also seemed to progress from regular dream content. Either way I know I can do this, I just need my expanded awareness and a chance from our buddies 'up there'.  :-)

So, I often see people on here say something about coincidences not be a coincidence, or something to that effect. Well I think I get the jest of that when I say "what a coincidence" I would dream about an Academy that has students being tested (for what I don't know) and little orbs following them around giving them tasks to do... Is this what you guys were talking about training and tests? I logged the dream in my dream journal. I mean whatever that dream was that I had, I want to go back and get started on my tests and outsmart that orb!

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/ellurys_dream_journal-t44537.0.html

I can't say whether or not retrievals are a good idea for some who are just beginning their explorations. This really just depends on how easily you accept the non physical reality and the skills you develop. Since I went the lone wolf path for so many years, I missed out on so many opportunities simply because I did not recognize what was happening. Sure, I had mastered flying, I was competent in telepathy but rarely relied on it, and I had a high success rate in achieving projections. The thing is, I just didn't know that their was any other purpost to all this other than to just really screw with my mind and make me develop a new reality paradigm.

This all changed quickly when I joined the Pulse and became exposed to the idea of retrievals. The thought of doing one instantly resonated with me. It was very long before I had my first one. I failed the first go around and wasn't aware that failure wasn't an option. You have to get the job done, you just do. So you will eventually return to the same retrieval after you have had time to reflect and gain further skills or at least, better awareness of your situation.

The feeling that you have failed can be very emotionally draining. You can also become easily obsessive over it and play it over and over in your waking mind. This can be both good and bad.

You can't force a retrieval to be your destination but when you are ready and you want to do one, the universe will respond. Someone can have years of dealing with these yet they may not possess the particular mindset or skills needed to get the job done in certain situations so sometimes a newbie may be called in for the job.

Their is also no greater feeling than knowing you have help someone or at least a part of someone break the torturous cycle they have been trapped in. I recommend that anyone who is interested in doing one, to give it a shot. After all, failure is not an option and you will return once you have gained further insight.

I'm pretty excited to just get out there and meet other beings, to learn, to explore, etc. Anything I am needed for once I get to astral, I'll be willing to help and give it everything I got. I don't like failing. I feel bad letting people down, so it drives me to do my best.

Right now, all I have is my dreams, so I'll just put more effort into paying attention to whats going on in them! I feel like maybe I'm missing something from them. I dream a lot, and I mean a lot. What I post isn't even half of what I dream in a night, it's just soooo much that I usually forget a lot of details. Something right now is just telling me to pay more attention to my dreams, so I'll listen to that instinct.

There's just so much I am looking forward too, especially the meeting other beings. I generally like people and really enjoy getting to know them. I like you guys a lot! I'm in a bubbly mood right now lol.

Let's bump this one with another.
I became aware walking along the left hand side of a road which was made of limestone chippings, it was a wide single track road. On my left a high wall, a main road on the other side of it by the noise of the traffic I could hear. Across the dirt track road was a field of rough ground and grass, this was visible between the large bushes that were growing along the other side of the road. It was winter as patches of snow lay around in frosty clumps on the field and dirty blotches along the roadside. It crunched beneath my feet as I walked towards a darker forested area in front of me a hundred meters or so. I heard the sound of a heavy truck behind me. I turned and saw an old design from way back and turned forwards again. Looking into the distance I saw a small barrier and a couple of armed guards waiting. The truck stopped a
In front of me around 30 feet or so. The  container on the back moved and sniffles were heard from within. I decided to look inside. Climbing up the side of this solid machine I lifted the tarpaurlin cover to see a small group of sorry looking people. They looked battered and were very cold, I asked them ,,"You OK?"
They replied in a language I don't know so I used telepathy discreetly. One of the group lay on the floor and wasn't moving. I knew this one was dead, I checked anyway to find a barely warm neck with no pulse. I was then stared at by the group, one gripping her mouth as tears filled her eyes. I couldn't stand the pain I was feeling so decided to push the boat out on this one and take whatever consequences came my way. (I absolutely hate that feeling of loss, it drives a cold blade through me from times gone by and there's none of it going to happen here).
Something clicked inside me and I tried the other side of the dead ones neck. Instantly delivering heat, I brought life back into this one. His dreams were of the tunnel and seeing someone in white meeting him was where I intervened. I left the tearful girl with him in her arms and disconnected from him and opened up to the group as a whole. They had escaped some 'government action' that would have had them sent to some workhouse or camp somewhere where they wouldn't be seen again. They left quickly taking only themselves. They were cold and hungry. I entered the drivers mind and found he had a good amount of food for his long journey. I choose take his food making him believe he had left it behind. I opened the door slightly so the guards didn't see me and he gave me the food bag he brought, a vacant look on his face.
He then searched for some paperwork, I slipped the food into the back of the truck after finding a small notebook and removing it. The food was soon devoured. I left the stowaways where they were and hitched a ride on a large footplate that was conveniently there.
The driver set off for the barrier and the armed guards came out walking the few feet to the driver once he stopped. They spoke German and the driver pushed papers at them saying nothing. One of the guards walked around the truck bashing the rear container asking what's inside. The driver shouted something neither of us understood. The guard then jumped when he saw me standing on the footplate. Gun in my face, he called his oppo who came around from the front of the truck. They asked me what's in the back, I told them its full of workers going to hell, in broken German. I entered their minds now and convinced them to lower the guns as I was going to pay them lots of money as a bribe. They conformed to my wishes and I supplied them with lots of notes they saw as cash. I previously tore up the notebook. They lifted the barrier and we all set off. Once clear from the guards, I jumped off and woke up.

Another success, I originally wanted to visit Europa. Not WW2 Europe. There's a few million miles out of sync here...

Like you told me once Szaxx, we don't always get the experience we expect, but sometimes a related experience we may need (or someone else may need, in this case). Nice work.

Europa versus Europe...an interesting twist...like mine, your Guides have an interesting sense of the ironic.

Was there something under the ice of Europa you were looking for?

I could also mention the gravel drive, but that was maybe more a humorous reminder for me, I somehow think...funny guys... :-D

Mincing words again lol.
It seems every time I've tried this trip it ends in a retrieval. Short and interesting, it keeps the general theme of difficult communications operating. It was very easy this time.
Europa is one moon I've been interested in for a while. The ice will be quite thick and something beneath is maintaining a magnetic field that's not the core. It has to be conductive. I'm not too sure if its ion based or ferro-metal based. Its most likely ionic, too many pointers push this direction. As for life, it's possible, one question I have is, how much life is there in our dead sea?
I'm not sure if a visit was made in '69.
I traveled everywhere, sound is a clue, something noisy keeps coming back like a hint of a reminder.
Maybe I'll get my chance and beat the probe they're sending. Hot news if I'm successful, going off Saturn's ring system.

 Last night I listened to William Bulman's most recent seminar found here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OR6Kiwlohw
In it he spoke of the Monroe Lifeline Program. The lifeline Program has to do with Robert Monroe's Focus 23, where people go to help souls that are stuck. I don't have the funds or the time right now to go to for the 5 day/6 night Lifeline program, but have always been open to be a "Invisible Helper". This is a term that was penned by an incredible lady named Annie Bessant. You can find out more about her and her research in this fantastic video by Kurt Leland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA12Xd3Zq0I. So, I wanted to create my own technique to achieve my goal. Here's a quick rundown of the Focus levels for anyone that wants to know more about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_level

I have 3 goals that I have always strived to achieve in my practice of non physical/other realm exploration. I say other realm because I find many areas of the Astral that are just as physical as this one.
Goal #1 is to be an Invisible Helper to any Humans or entities that may need assistance in this realm or any others.
Goal #2 is to learn how to heal myself, so that I can take that teaching and heal others in need
Goal #3 is to remember what I once knew and unlock my full potential

It has been a while now since I have had a full on, with total recall actual Retrieval. I have had experiences whereas I was aiding someone, but then I "clicked out" and lost my awareness on what was occurring. In other words I didn't consciously see it through. Other times I would be right in the middle of a Retrieval and then I would get distracted and it would be gone.

Last night I laid down to relax. I felt the feeling of depth coming on, so I decided to try and find this Focus 23 area. I am sure that because of the thousands and more people that have focused on this area, that there had to be a "real"/actual Focus 23 zone somewhere in the Astral. So I began creating Doorways as I do in this practice here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

I started asking my Doorway questions, but nothing happened. I just kept noticing the darkness before my eyes. I was about to give up when all of a sudden I saw a small wooden sign on my right hand side saying "Focus 23 ahead". I then felt movement. I was moving forward. There were other signs along the way similar to the first one that were stating that I was on the right path. Then I came to a wooden door with a glass window. It looked like to regular office door. On the glass was printed in black lettering "Focus 23". I opened the door and saw a room with some chairs lined down the side. I then sensed, I can't say heard a bellowing voice saying "Sit down and someone will be will you shortly". Like I said, it wasn't an oral voice, it was more inside of my head. Likely telepathy.

There was no one else in the room. All the chairs were empty. It looked like a regular Doctor's office, but with no magazines, lol. There was though a wall that was solid black and looked like glass. The only opening in it was the same small opening that you see in bulletproof glass. Just enough room to get your hand through.

I sat there for what seemed like an eternity. I contemplated why I was there and figured that this waiting had to be some kind of test in patience. I did feel like my thoughts were being sucked out of my brain though. It was like I was being drilled on why I wanted to help others. What my motives for coming here were.

Finally something happened. The glass wall disappeared and I was looking at a escalator that was loaded with people, but they looked more like just the forms/shapes of people. The escalator was moving upwards. All of a sudden I saw someone fall off the side. They plummeted to the ground. I quickly thought myself over to that location and saw that the fallen soul was a young boy. He had to be about 6 years old. He was in tears and I went to comfort him. I asked him what his name was, the thought came back Richard. I then asked him if he knew where he was, the answer was no. Okay, now I knew I had to do something. But what? I thought about it for a minute and asked him what his favorite thing to do was. What he enjoyed, hobby wise. He sent the thought back "boats". I then asked him how he would like to go on a boat and meet some new friends. He stopped crying and sent the answer yes to me. A boat immediately materialized beside us. We got on and the next thing I know we are docking. That was weird, I don't even recall the trip there. It was like we were almost instantly there. There just happened to be a kid's paradise. There was swings, money bars, kids everywhere. The 2 adults that had docked us told us telepathically to follow them. So we did. We were walking down a street and came upon a large white building, akin to a Hospital. I told Richard that he needed to go "check in". Richard then gave me a hug and went with the 2 adults up the stairs and into the building.

I then turned my focus back to my physical body and smiled. It feels so good inside when you can help others. Not only is healing for them, but it's healing for myself as well.  

Thank You for listening!  :-)

The lead up to the assessment area or room in your case was a nice touch. My way ones were in the void and progressed to a myriad of locations, a few in the formless environments rarely travelled in.
That feeling of having your thoughts sucked out of your brain is the assessment. I found this intrusive method indescribable and knew what was occurring, it wasn't controllable in any way. I knew I could have stopped it but then no further experience would have ensued. Later I found out how to do it without the indivual/s even knowing I was 'in there'. I have posted this in 'Oily' a group retrieval of sorts. It's the initial stages of learning how to imprint info to and from others.
That voice booming inside your head without a sound takes some getting use to lol. It's telepathy and a method of communication used in many finer environments, this is also the sole method in the formless environments.
The percieved location would have not been threatening in any way, it would have had an authorative appeal. I'd guess the empty chairs were symbolic of your personal preference. A room full of individuals may have been challenging or even discouraging. The long wait while you contemplated your desires sufficed. The test, passed with flying colours led you to an experience. The thoughts you had needed to fit in with what the brain drain gave as some kind of feedback to suitability. I've had this many times, unlike you though, I had to wait weeks before been sent on a retrieval. Then many more followed almost nightly.
While you were in your experience, can you recall absolutely everything about your physical life? I've often found a great deal of these memories temporarily erased until some progress has been made in the adventure.
Clever thinking on getting the young ones thoughts off the fall. I'd also guess this was looping over and over for him. The boat ride is his need, its irrelevant for you and typically no recall of the trip exists.
You delivered the boy into safe hands so he could heal. You also entered the transitional or hospital zone where many go with issues upon death. I normally deliver to a white light behind an open doorway with the guide or family of those being rescued. Most often I put them where they need to be and phase back. The fuss of gratitude is nice but I'd  rather get on with another retrieval.
Top marks for being assessed and sent in one go. I hope you get more.

 Thank You for your reply Szaxx. I agree with everything you said there. I have found telepathy to be the chosen mode of communication in these areas. I could have quoted individual parts of what you said here to break them down further, but instead I decided to just say "I agree" and then I wanted to handle your question separately.

Quote from: Szaxx on August 21, 2015, 23:33:33
While you were in your experience, can you recall absolutely everything about your physical life? I've often found a great deal of these memories temporarily erased until some progress has been made in the adventure.

I didn't try to recall anything. I wanted to keep my focus entirely on the scene at hand in fear of losing focus again. I find in my LDs though a lot of my memories have been erased. Many times I just live the scenario while fully consciously aware of my actions, but never coming to the realization that my physical body is sleeping peacefully in my bed. What would you call that a half-way LD, lol? I am Lucid as in having full awareness of the scenario at hand and am a active participant in it.

I've done a number of TMI programs, including Lifeline, and your experience resonates strongly. It seems to me that you had guidance right there with you whether it was visible or not given the nature of the way everything fell neatly into place and suddenly you were docking - which evidently was focus 27. The hospital and the park being the big giveaway.

I would say in future ones (which tend to be harder as guidance gives you more of a challenge), you can always mentally ask guidance what to do and they will assist in some way. It's clear they took you up to 27 in this one. It might be worth trying to start off in focus 27 as well when you intend to do a retrieval. That way when you make the trip to 23 you know how it feels making it easier to move back to. 27 without guidance. If you do decide to start in 27 it's also good to have an anchor point. At lifeline you are encouraged to create a special place so when in 23 you can easily bring people back up by thinking of your special place( I have a jetty on a small lake in a forest). Also, I think starting in 27 you are more like to visually have a guide with you (rather than invisible in the background) because 27 is a gathering point of such individuals.

Quote from: Lumaza on August 22, 2015, 05:05:12

I didn't try to recall anything. I wanted to keep my focus entirely on the scene at hand in fear of losing focus again.
I find in my LDs though a lot of my memories have been erased. Many times I just live the scenario while fully consciously aware of my actions, but never coming to the realization that my physical body is sleeping peacefully in my bed.
What would you call that a half-way LD, lol? I am Lucid as in having full awareness of the scenario at hand and am a active participant in it.

Having a choice relies upon the actual knowledge being present. As you said and as I have found countless times, this full physical awareness of all memories etc is rarely present. You're within a scenario and are the personality you represent ( with extras), in what you automatically deem as the reality you live in. There are exceptions where your awareness tells you instantly. These tend towards the tests of your mettle or psychological limits.
The proposition you're in is always solveable but how you do this isn't. By successful completion of many of these your challenging experiences can push you beyond what you thought was your limits.
A perfect example was my New Jericho large scale retrieval already posted. I can still recall the initial scene like it was yesterday, there's many physical world experiences that fail in this level of recall.

I hope you are given more of these challenges, obviously in increasing complexity.
The  various F levels are interesting in they define a broad spectrum of similar environments, I still am unsure on the borders of these. The comment on things progressing in difficulty is so true.
You can't get enough of them lol.

Quote from: floriferous on August 22, 2015, 06:53:41
I've done a number of TMI programs, including Lifeline, and your experience resonates strongly. It seems to me that you had guidance right there with you whether it was visible or not given the nature of the way everything fell neatly into place and suddenly you were docking - which evidently was focus 27. The hospital and the park being the big giveaway.

I would say in future ones (which tend to be harder as guidance gives you more of a challenge), you can always mentally ask guidance what to do and they will assist in some way. It's clear they took you up to 27 in this one. It might be worth trying to start off in focus 27 as well when you intend to do a retrieval. That way when you make the trip to 23 you know how it feels making it easier to move back to. 27 without guidance. If you do decide to start in 27 it's also good to have an anchor point. At lifeline you are encouraged to create a special place so when in 23 you can easily bring people back up by thinking of your special place( I have a jetty on a small lake in a forest). Also, I think starting in 27 you are more like to visually have a guide with you (rather than invisible in the background) because 27 is a gathering point of such individuals.

Thank You for your reply Floriferous. I was hoping you would have read this and had some helpful tips. A trip to the Monroe Institute some day is still on my "Bucket List".

I have seen the white building, aka Hospital in other Retrievals I have had as well. It's like I always end up there sooner or later in the process. After a while my Retrievals seemed to get few and far between. At least the consciously aware ones. I think I may have still continued, since it's my main goal, undergoing them on a subconscious level. Starting in Focus 27 and backtracking does seem like a good idea as well.

I never really got much into focusing on Focus Levels in the past. I guess I thought for some reason that there wasn't actual areas such as these and that we were just creating them ourselves. But when you have a "real" Retrieval and end up at this Focus 27 location, especially it being what other people say they experience, (without you knowing ahead of time), you just know that there is something to this. Once again, seeing is believing.

I have always had a "gathering point" in the other realms. It's actually more of a launching pad I use. It's been my tranquil Island beach retreat, but I never looked at it as a gathering point for Focus 27 and Retrievals. That's a handy tip there!  :wink:

Last year a Medical condition knocked me out of whack. It made it so just meditating was a challenge. For a while I just gave up my daily practice and just relied on my nightly LD for my exploration. But my LDs always led to a completely different area then my conscious APs were. I see them both as NP explorations. But they seem to have their own "playgrounds" per say. It's almost like a completely different plane from one another. But as I said, they are both considered non physical or "other realm" I like to say experiences.

Quote from: Szaxx on August 22, 2015, 15:52:04
I hope you are given more of these challenges, obviously in increasing complexity.

Challenges, challenges and even more challenges. The other realms are full of them, lol. I see it as their method of communicating with us. What better way to learn something, then seeing and coming to the realization for yourself.

QuoteThe  various F levels are interesting in they define a broad spectrum of similar environments, I still am unsure on the borders of these. The comment on things progressing in difficulty is so true.
You can't get enough of them lol.

As I stated above, I used to think these Focus levels were a thing of myth. Sure I had read Frank Kepple's posts and Robert Monroe's books, but it seems in the end that's what they concluded as well. But now I see that because so many people have focused on these individuals levels that something tangible has been created. My Island retreat is almost a mirror of the Astral Pulse Island. Of course there's a Pyramid on my as well. I have always been fascinated by those, as you already know. But I use this area often as my launching pad or I will just be relaxing, take a glance around and see something new there that I haven't created. This leads to my next adventure.

Great thread Lumaza! I want to do this so bad. I feel like I was made for this. I feel like there is nothing at all in the Cosmos that I would better at than this. And I could swear, now that I'm begining to learn some basics about what's going on, I realize that I've been being prepared for this my entire life, conditoned for the endurance, quick wit, creativity, patience, and fearlessness that this job requires. Would, um, the Big Ulitmate Reality Upstairs mind if I manifest a superhero costume? Or maybe I'll go totally old school and show up in angel wings. *sigh* decisions, decisions lol

Quote from: Whirlwind on April 15, 2016, 03:08:51
Great thread Lumaza! I want to do this so bad. I feel like I was made for this. I feel like there is nothing at all in the Cosmos that I would better at than this. And I could swear, now that I'm begining to learn some basics about what's going on, I realize that I've been being prepared for this my entire life, conditoned for the endurance, quick wit, creativity, patience, and fearlessness that this job requires. Would, um, the Big Ulitmate Reality Upstairs mind if I manifest a superhero costume? Or maybe I'll go totally old school and show up in angel wings. *sigh* decisions, decisions lol

Thank You Whirlwind!  :-)

Just remember your intent creates your reality.

But I have to give a "lol" to the superhero/angelic wing comment. You manifest into what they need to see. Many times you are delving into their own personal hell. They don't even know or realize why they are stuck. It's your job to find a way to help them "choose" for themselves that they need to move on. You can't do that for them. They aren't looking for a Angel or superhero. You can morph into any form you wish, but normally that form is something that was pertinent to their physical life in this reality here.

Haha yeah I know, the superhero costume comment was tongue in cheek :-D I know that this is no "feel good" field trip or ego fodder event. It just so happens that I like getting my hands dirty :wink: In physical life I've sucessfully worked with delusional, intractable, and even hostile individuals, those "hopeless cases" who most have given up on, so I know that these interpersonal experiences can at least in part form a foundation of training for the work to come. Plus, you never know whose belief system entails them being picked up by a grown man in camel toe tights (fingers crossed) :-P Ok, now let me stop yaking about it and go practice :roll:

Quote from: Whirlwind on April 15, 2016, 20:43:34
Haha yeah I know, the superhero costume comment was tongue in cheek :-D I know that this is no "feel good" field trip or ego fodder event. It just so happens that I like getting my hands dirty :wink: In physical life I've sucessfully worked with delusional, intractable, and even hostile individuals, those "hopeless cases" who most have given up on, so I know that these interpersonal experiences can at least in part form a foundation of training for the work to come. Plus, you never know whose belief system entails them being picked up by a grown man in camel toe tights (fingers crossed) :-P Ok, now let me stop yaking about it and go practice :roll:

It sounds like you are primed for the "duty" Now it's on to the next step!  :wink:

You already have the intent, now comes the practice.

RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh

Quote from: user001 on July 26, 2016, 14:11:41
RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh

Wow, such anger.  :-o

...and what is this RM? Do you mean the Monroe Institute? I've never been and I purchased and read his book "after" my adventures in this area. This was one of the first experiences in this area I had every had and at the time I was new to Astral Projection period and wasn't familiar with Robert Monroe at all.  Just look at my opening line back in 2012 "This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. "

I have found that for some reason that some people think that just because they haven't experienced something that it means it doesn't exist. You can post all of your OBEs and I am sure that you have experienced many things I haven't as well. That is the reason that I stopped posting my adventures on Forums, (I have Journals filled with them though), because some people tried to imitate them and compare them to their own. When they didn't match up they got angry like yourself.

We see what we need to see when we need to see it. My first goal/intent (still is today), in this practice was always to use what I was seeing and being taught to help others, no matter where those "others" may be. Through reading, videos and personal emails with Kurt Leland, I found that it is called "Invisible Helpers" and it was the name that was penned way before Robert Monroe by a woman named Annie Bessant back at the end of the 1800's.
Both of these videos will help you understand her theories and they are "FREE".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNzeIS_0K0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA12Xd3Zq0I

What is your intent for "non ordinary states of consciousness"? Why do you do it? Your intent will open the doors to your experiences.

Quote from: user001 on July 26, 2016, 14:11:41
RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh

Well, I hope that if one day you need help (here or there, no difference) that someone will be kind enough to help you, like most of us here provide help for others. Consciousness on all levels interact all the time.

 It's been awhile now since this thread has been posted in.

Last night I did/underwent a Retrieval experience, that is definitely unique enough to post in this thread.

A few months ago I told a few members here, one by phone, the other by email about a LD experience I had that had me, what felt like, in some kind of "job interview" in a actual Center for Retrieval. I found that this Center was the inside of the Cathedral like, white building, that I found myself at, right at the end of a Retrieval. I would normally bring or accompany the "Retrievee" to the steps and that's as far as I was allowed to go. Then the experience would end.
In that experience I saw the purpose of the Center. That it was there for some of the most extreme cases. I also saw it was a place of terror. Each room became a "Simulation Chamber" of sorts for whoever was in it. This was where they were stuck in their own personal Hell.
I was shown that when the "Aide" entered, they could join the Retrievee's hellish experience and work towards helping them. They could alter the scene at will. But, as soon as they left the room, the room would morph back to the Retrievee's hell once again. It was really extreme.
Then I was shown the "Aide's" life. Outside of this Center, it was paradise. They had everything at their disposal. But, they had to fulfill their duty in that Center to receive this. I was also shown that there is indeed a "changing of the Guard" on the other side. Just like we evolve, so do they, so spots are needed to be filled all the time.
The last thing I saw there was I was taken to some kind of conference room and I was asked if I was willing to ..., before they were finished with words, I accepted.

Since then, it has been quiet on the "Retrieval" side for me. Even my LDs have been, for the most part, uneventful. Until last night that is.

I become aware I am in some Hotel. I find soon that I am in Hawaii and am just getting ready to fly back home. When I was younger, in my 20s, I lived in Hawaii for 5 years.
I find out my flight isn't going to be fore 7 hours from now. But I am checking out of the Hotel and have nothing to do.
A few "Maids" there, one male, one female see my dilemma and offer me a room in the Hotel to stay until it's time for my flight. I go to the room. It's a very nice, posh, large suite. We sit down and start chatting and all of a sudden I hear the door behind me open and there is a very frail elderly lady walking towards us. She waves, goes into the kitchen area, then back into the bedroom. This shocks me. I never knew we were in a "occupied" room. But the Maids don't even give it a thought. I feel the need to use the bathroom. I walk to the bathroom door, open it and all of a sudden realize it is my "physical" self that needs to use the bathroom, lol. So, I wake up, use the bathroom, go back to bed, mentally click "play, as in let's start where we left off.

Somewhere along the line I become aware again. Now I am in the same room, but there is party going on. There is loud music, people, heavy drinking. Yes, it's definitely a party. Then I see that frail lady again. She leaves her room, goes into the kitchen area, then back to her room again. She waves to everyone, but again, nobody but me pays attention to her. This really has me curious now.

I walk into the bedroom and begin chatting with her. She is a great lady, funny, fun loving, that is until I brought up the idea of death. She was terrified of death.
It then hit me, that the "Maids" were "Aides" leading me to a Retrieval and I was in a "Simulation Chamber".

I sat there with the lady and tried to find out how I could build up the idea of a "Heaven" to her. To find a way to show her a new way of thinking. In a Retrieval, you have everything at your disposal to aid you in your task. But, you can't "decide/choose" for them. They must be the ones that decide to move on.

I would attempt to help her and when I did, her "physical" image began to fade. But then I had a "click in"/click out" and when I returned back, I saw that she was full form again.

I experience many cut-ins to the scenario, whereas I see, that this failed and that failed. But then the idea comes to me. Why not show her how to Astral Project? I then started down that road. The first thing I used was from Bruce Moen's 14 minute video (Thank You Bruce), where he his describing his "imagination with a deceased person" technique. It is very good. I have to thank another Member of Astral Forum for that share. Thanks Bee!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDjRJ5NA2jY

So, we started with imagination with some of her own deceased friends. She was enjoying this. They were showing her a view of their "Heaven".

Finally after what seemed like many sessions, we hit success. She finally disappeared and just as she did the scene went incredibly bright white. It was so bright, that it overloaded my senses and I woke up.

I put it all together once I had awoken. Even though I was deeply in a Retrieval scenario. I still had the thought, that I had likely missed my flight. But I also consciously knew, where I was and what was going on. Like I said, this is the first time I have had a successful Retrieval, since I had my "Interview".

I did post here a few weeks ago about a situation I found myself in that may or may not have been a Retrieval, It was rather disturbing though and I didn't "consciously" see that one all the way to the end.

I always enjoy reading experiences in this thread. 

Lumaza, it looks like you are now on the payroll!  Hope to see more posts in the future.  :-)

Quote from: T-Man on November 22, 2017, 23:21:18
I always enjoy reading experiences in this thread. 

Lumaza, it looks like you are now on the payroll!  Hope to see more posts in the future.  :-)

:-)

Wow, Lumaza, very cool.  8-)

Please keep us updated with new successfully done assignments in your new official retrieval career.

A few months ago I was asked by a lady in the non-physical when I wanted to go to somewhere else (from the Void) if I didn't want to 'do some care' first. I was confused because I had not expected a voice talking to me at that point and did not get what she wanted. Only later it occurred to me that she might have been an aide/retriever from the other side and might have meant doing retrieval work with her (as her aid from the physical side I assume).

I then later offered help and called out to retrievers by setting intent for retrievals. But nothing came out of it. Seems they don't let me even try. Then I had other targets again and forgot about it again. Now you remind me again.

Maybe I should renew my offer and give it another try. It is always a good feeling when you have helped someone move on. (Well ... maybe, if you find the time then, in your next team meeting with the Help Center staff you could put in a good word for me, okay?  :wink: )

Quote from: Volgerle on November 23, 2017, 15:01:33
I then later offered help and called out to retrievers by setting intent for retrievals. But nothing came out of it. Seems they don't let me even try. Then I had other targets again and forgot about it again. Now you remind me again.

Maybe I should renew my offer and give it another try. It is always a good feeling when you have helped someone move on. (Well ... maybe, if you find the time then, in your next team meeting with the Help Center staff you could put in a good word for me, okay?  :wink: )

They always hear us. It's just they don't answer us in the way we would "expect" and as timely as we would like. Time has no relevance there, so they are in no rush. Humans, we rush everything. That seems to be the problem with many people not finding success with this whole practice, Astral Projection in general. They want results "yesterday" and that's not the way it works.

Will do!  :-D

Nice upgrade Lumaza, if you proceed further into this you'll need to be ready to join with the mind of the patient. This takes a massive understanding of everything they're feeling and you'll see more of the dilemma. At times they need the equivalent of the physical world 'slap' to wake them up so the personality within can resurface. You'll understand this immediately and instinct tells you what to do. It can be a emotional strain too at first on yourself but being so NP aware you'll know when to switch off this connection or the scenario becomes a fail. This side of it is inherent, it's like that old days feeling of waking from a nightmare. It always passes and you really do learn the hard way as I found many times.
It's definitely an upgrade though and well deserved. If it was put in physical world terms you could say 'a nine volt battery is harmless by itself', ( this being the typical retrievals emotional side), however, if you connect a thousand of them correctly then 'its a different story by far', ( this becomes comparable to a nightmare situation where your control is very limited but you do have everything at your disposal). Mindset is key and staying grounded will be easy for you.

@ Volgerle,
you're entering a new world where what you do matters. This is great fun as there's never a situation you can't handle. After a few years they'll be fast paced and seem almost impossible at times. That said, you need to stop and think again then the answer appears and you get busy once again. I hope you get the calling soon. You'll not look back and realise the rtz is a kindergarten lol.

Hey Szaxx, sure is good to hear from you. Hugs

Quote from: Szaxx on April 04, 2018, 15:53:57
Nice upgrade Lumaza, if you proceed further into this you'll need to be ready to join with the mind of the patient. This takes a massive understanding of everything they're feeling and you'll see more of the dilemma. At times they need the equivalent of the physical world 'slap' to wake them up so the personality within can resurface. You'll understand this immediately and instinct tells you what to do. It can be a emotional strain too at first on yourself but being so NP aware you'll know when to switch off this connection or the scenario becomes a fail. This side of it is inherent, it's like that old days feeling of waking from a nightmare. It always passes and you really do learn the hard way as I found many times.
It's definitely an upgrade though and well deserved. If it was put in physical world terms you could say 'a nine volt battery is harmless by itself', ( this being the typical retrievals emotional side), however, if you connect a thousand of them correctly then 'its a different story by far', ( this becomes comparable to a nightmare situation where your control is very limited but you do have everything at your disposal). Mindset is key and staying grounded will be easy for you.

It has toned down to a "unconscious" thing now. Once in awhile I will become aware that I am in a "Retrieval", but now it has become the "new normal".

I find "Mindset" is the key to achieve success in the practice of NP exploration itself. You need to be a good "Observer" as well.

 I am just beginning to embark on what I think may turn out to be a multi, many night Retrieval event.

It began a few days ago. I saw a man in prison. He was a very large man and was in prison for being a Serial killer. What I saw and drew from him was he was "evil incarnate" itself. I was then told 100 days.

The next thing I know, I am being arrested. I was being arrested for being a "Illegal Alien". I kind of laughed at that. I guess that was showing I was foreign to this realm. I didn't laugh for long though. Things got real quick. My trial came and went and I was sentenced to 100 days in jail before being deported. I guess they meant banished or the scenario would come to a close.

Soon I found myself in prison. It was the prison that the Serial killer was in as well. Even though days were passing by, I was still shown a marker for each actual night I had the experience. In other words, I have been having it for two nights and now the marker, countdown is down to 98. It doesn't seem to matter how much time I spend in the simulation itself.

The good thing is, my pain meter, sense of pain has been turned off. That was a blessing when I received my first "welcome pummelings" at the hands of some other inmates. I would just close my eyes and meditate while they beat on me. Soon word spread about my "meditative focus". That was good and bad. Bad because some other inmates wanted to see it first hand for themselves, which meant more beatings. Good because "everyone" had noticed this, even the Serial killer, which it seems is my task for Retrieval.

After the pummelings, I could tell I was beaten. Sometimes I was viewing through swollen eyes. But like I said, I could feel no pain, thankfully, lol. One thing that I found really weird is that I had a body, obviously, but I wasn't permitted to see my face.  Every attempt I made to view my image was somehow blocked. I could see I had large hands and big body. My skin was really hairy as well. Kind of like that of a European culture. I even tried to look at my reflection in various things like windows and spoons, etc., but nothing worked.

Last night, I was finally noticed by the Serial killer. He was in the yard, surrounded by guards, as usual and he looked over at me and acknowledged my presence. So, I guess now I have 97 more nights to get the job done. I have a feeling that is going to be my greatest challenge yet. I wonder if I will be consciously aware for the 97 nights. My intent and affirmations are to be. But that is quite a while to have a run like that.

Very interesting, Lumaza! After all, evil is just lack of knowledge and not an origin energy, therefore it can take its true form upon realization. I don't know why, but while reading your experience I automatically imagined scenes from the show "Prison Break" LOL. I loved that show. Perhaps if the killer learns sooner than the remaining days, both of you can find a way to escape. That would be an adventure :wink:

Quote from: LightBeam on April 22, 2018, 02:39:00
Very interesting, Lumaza! After all, evil is just lack of knowledge and not an origin energy, therefore it can take its true form upon realization. I don't know why, but while reading your experience I automatically imagined scenes from the show "Prison Break" LOL. I loved that show. Perhaps if the killer learns sooner than the remaining days, both of you can find a way to escape. That would be an adventure :wink:

This man was a "savage" as savage as they come. The first part of this whole simulation began with me viewing a brief rundown of his history and though it was brief, I still saw enough for me.

Never seen the show. I try to limit the amount of violence I watch. The Stanley Cup Playoffs seem to b about the extent of violence I now view on TV. I am more abut the History and Science channels than anything.
I was kind of thinking it would make a good movie plot as well. I am sure many of the famous Directors were putting pen to paper on their own personal Dream simulations as well.

Fingers crossed that it doesn't go the whole 100 days.  :-P

This man was a "savage" as savage as they come. The first part of this whole simulation began with me viewing a brief rundown of his history and though it was brief, I still saw enough for me.


This is where you'll find if his psyche is a reaction to his early life traumas or worse, that he is all bad. I hope it's not the latter, this would be a tad difficult to resolve lol.
It's within your powers to solve this, you can create anything that's required at any time. This is worth remembering as it may be very useful later.
Keep us informed.

 Thanks for the reply Szaxx!  :-)

Unfortunately, this guy is bad to the bone. I haven't been consciously aware in every nightly episode. But the ones I have show that I am seeing his life from the beginning, starting at his childhood. I think he may have a number of lives whereas he was "bad to the bone" and it is just passing on to this one too.

When I get back to real time, meaning the present, I am going to attempt to teach him to meditate. We will see where that leads him. He is very intelligent. He reminds me of a Hannibal Lecter type of character. He seems as intrigued by me, as I am of him.

Wow, reads fascinating. So you go there every night now, and that for still over 90 times to help this guy? Keep us updated on developments and progress.

Curious, what did you mean with that big-handed hairy "European culture"? Some cavemen or what? Just saying that we shave here in Europe too and my hands are not big either. Or did you mean some ancient 'savage' cavemen?
:lol: :wink:

Lifeline

So in the last year, in an effort to kick-start my NP learning, I did something I have wanted to do for 30 plus years and that was to attend some courses at The Monroe Institute (TMI) near Charlottesville, Virginia, USA. The core courses are 5 day/6 night commitments where you live there and are fully immersed within the Hemi-Sync sessions and briefings/de-briefings/discussions with a like-minded group that begins as strangers and six days later disbands as friends having shared a unique and rewarding experience. I cannot recommend it in strong enough terms. To begin with, the energy of the place after 40 plus years is incredible and the immersive environment is strongly conducive to nearly anyone having the opportunity for significant and rewarding experiences. The first course is Gateway, which familiarizes you with the first several Focus levels (10, 12, 15, 21) and explores certain experiences within each of those Focus levels. The next week-long course is a choice of either Guidelines or Lifeline. Lifeline deals with retrievals and navigating through the Afterlife and so I chose that as my second course, that concept having always had a special interest to me. Over 50 plus years, I think that I have done a few retrievals within nearly unconscious dream contexts, and a few definite simulations over the last several years; but the process still felt somehow incomplete and a bit frustrating for me, so I wanted to try something new.

Now I must admit that I have used the Gateway Hemi Sync tapes since 1995, the CDs since 2005, and honestly not gotten much from them. Yes, some patterning and some problem-solving sessions seemed to produce results, but I never felt as if I was getting deep enough for the results I was seeking; never had a direct OBE from them. In retrospect I think I was wrong and wasn't looking at the process the way I needed to; but that's me- don't let my experience scare you off of these products because many people find huge benefits from them. Consequently, my first time at TMI for the Gateway program, I didn't get much in the way of experiences, though many did. I was hoping for more, but just didn't get the results I wanted. I did however, suspect that some inner work was taking place, something on a subtle, sub-conscious level. I did have a wonderful and fulfilling time sharing with all the other participants and would return, if not just for that, it was so good.

Lifeline started off much the same way for me. It was a smaller but much more experienced NP group; many of these people had OBE experience under their belt and a few participants were quite talented. I came there with guarded expectations yet still felt a certain level of 'performance anxiety'; and this kind of pressure can be a good thing...it is five solid days of literally 'eating, sleeping and breathing consciousness training'; it is full immersion within the process.

The first full day of sessions included instructions to recognize certain states or to introduce/meet with guides...I got none of that. All I experienced was multiple color tours through mostly purple and violet with splashes and streaks of red, yellow, orange and green; nothing of the visuals I was hoping for nor expecting. Plus I hadn't slept a minute the first night. At lunch I expressed my frustration to one of the trainers and she suggested that I was being pushed to learn all this from an 'energetic' sense. She added the idea that purple often involved healing. Those ideas actually resonated with me and I determined to go with the flow of whatever presented itself. The rest of the days sessions were all more color tours, with brief and fleeting visuals. Eventually I came to realize that these color tours were not simply random synaptic firings but rather some type of energy movements and patterns that I should try to follow as best I could.  The final session that night I found myself again in the purple/violet colors but this time they resolved into a visual of a purple ocean. I looked for land, but could find none and finally decided to just dive into the purple ocean where I dove down a hundred feet or so, into the icy darkness, and just relaxed there releasing myself to whatever energy was there.

The next day was much the same with tours through purple and violet energies. Did not sleep that night either; I was nearly physically exhausted and mentally drained. Again, late in the day, I found myself at a purple ocean but this time I spied a beach and landscape; so again I took the plunge and rocketed through the depths like a supersonic dolphin. It was refreshing and invigorating to swim like this! I wasn't necessarily happy about my results but at least I had gotten something more than the previous sessions.

One of the last sessions was an intro to F22 which they informed us could touch on some 'Hellish' regions or dark areas of some kinds of 'purgatories' where we might see souls who were seriously stuck in difficult places. We were not supposed to try and rescue anybody here, at least initially; this was a kind of precursor tour through F22 and eventually we would end up in a slightly higher Focus (23) where we would eventually do our retrieval work. This session became an incredible turning point for me- it was an epic tour of a purple hellish landscape of lost and tormented souls, an incredible surreal visual that finally punctuated my earlier color tours. I flew slowly, sometimes low, sometimes higher about two hundred feet over mountain ranges and shorelines, all bathed in dark and purple. The darkness and color didn't bother me, I had spent two days in purple and violet. My emotions were in control, yet I could feel the depth of the pain and misery and sense of 'lost' below and around me, in people and creatures hidden in the recesses below. I reached out to help a few times but quickly realized the futility of my attempts. I must have flown a hundred miles taking in this godforsaken scenery. The whole experience was a strange kind of dichotomy for me: On one hand I was finally getting a lengthy visual that I could put into a context; on the other hand that context was a nightmarish scenery of Hell/Purgatory. The Hemi-Sync instructions occasionally were heard to look for the somewhat brighter region of F23 and I thought that I could just catch a glimpse of sunshine far off beyond the mountain ranges, but I could never quite work my way over to it. Finally I put out the mental question- Where am I?
In a weird kind of humor the answer blazed before me in unmistakable numbers-22 1/2...
And then the return signal sounded and I came back.

By the third day I had slept a few hours, was somewhat recovered. Today we were to attempt our first retrieval. My expectations were at rock bottom; I had zero confidence. The first few sessions were designed to take us to Focus 27, familiarize ourselves with the Park, the Reception Center and the Healing and Rejuvenation Center. I got nearly nothing from that: maybe some vague, what felt like self-generated imaginings of souls moving into and through these areas...and then just more purple color tours. I understood the idea of kick-starting the process, priming the pump with a little imagination but it just felt incomplete, I wasn't trusting any of the feedback I was getting. In this latest session, we were to move to 27, obtain the assistance of a guide and move down to F23 to look for and assist any stuck souls that grabbed our NP attention. Yeah, I didn't feel too confident about accomplishing that.

So I went to 27, or what felt to me like 27. I asked around for guidance and felt nothing in response. So I said 'to hell with it' and dove down anyway to what I felt was 23. I was back in colors and swimming around through what were now energies I had known for a few days. It took a couple minutes but I felt 'something'. It was a new color, a new energy, a different feel. And I 'knew' it was in need of help; so I reached out to it in the only way I could think of- not physically, but mentally and with a little sincere emotion (feel/think). And then something like a pop-up window on a computer screen appeared for me. It was just a small visual screen set within my focus and it only lasted maybe five seconds. It was a modern day soldier, American I think but am not sure. He was leading a squad in line-ahead along a ridgeline in what looked like the Middle East and they were suddenly hit with automatic gunfire and all went to the ground. And the visual was gone. I 'knew' he had been hit and killed by 4 or 5 bullets. But I was back swimming in energy colors.

Then the visual screen opened again, maybe for another five seconds; but this time it was larger and I could almost feel myself standing within the scene. I was standing over him and he was looking up at me with the realization that I was unconcerned about the suppressive fire going on and he was likely already dead. He says to me, "It happens that quickly?" And instinctively I respond to him, "Yeah, it can happen that quickly." The visual fades. When the visual comes in again I am now fully within the scene 100%. I reach out my hand and he takes it and I help him to his feet. I say to him, "It's alright now, we can go. I'm going to take you to a place where this can all get sorted out." He holds on tight as we lift into the air and the transition to 27 is much quicker than I thought it would be, maybe just two or three seconds. I am back to sensing only energies there and as I let him go it is in the midst of several very bright and white cloud-forms of energy and I know everything is good.

So that was my first retrieval at Lifeline. There were several others. All very different and unexpected.

It might be of interest that a later session in the day involved each of us going to 27 and entering the Healing and Rejuvenation Center to ask for our own individual healing. Again, I found this a bit difficult to visualize so I finally re-imagined some old friends to help me- the young man and woman attendants from my Back to School adventure. They actually appeared quite readily and asked "How can we help you now?" The scene and my place within it became instantly stronger and I asked for some healing and they marched me down a hallway and handed me off to another guy who took me into an examination room. He asked what he could do for me and I said that I probably could use some healing on many levels. Just use your best judgment I said.

He looked at me and said, "What do you think all the purple was about?"

 

Nice experience at TMI. I live far away from there in Europe from the USA and it would be costly for me to try it lol. I also tried many reachable tracks what are on the internet but the only effects was calmness and similars, despite that I did the mind work.

That purple energy is interesting, while I've read your story through, got the impression that maybe I would get something similar after not experiencing what others do and our expectations are quite as the same as others', like "but why I don't get what they are?". Something like that. I had the impressions when you got only those energy stuff that guides are doing what suits you. For us, it is not obvious why this and that happens that way but after when you ask back on a reinforcement, you almost laugh, like lol it was "that"? I mean you got the help and training but never guessed why or what is it. I don't have so much experience maybe like you but I've learned about non-physical friends and some parallel selves that they (we) are completely different from regular people having all the experiences which we can read, hear and see. We can call it uniqueness. I guess I could be in the exact same frustration at TMI as I don't get the expected signposts or experiences until it turns out that I've got what was necessary the whole time after I ask back haha.

In the end, it worths it. It took me years through my conscious sleep life to uncover the categories for myself what "they" are doing behind the scenes (and me) and why my experiences are like that and I guess I will uncover all after 5-10 years too. Very tiring leading a diary each day if I intend for the experiences and I live up days through the night in the NP. But I enjoy even the bad. I guess it takes even a physical lifetime. We get those signs or trainings and many times we just miss the whole meaning. Maybe the difficulty comes from this stupid civilizational programming and brainwashing from childhood and we need to "unlearn" the most.

Wow, EV, that was a cool experience with Lifeline.  :-)

I myself start or resume the process of retrievals myself now and I had my first one with drowned children recently although it was a bit more 'bizarre' for me.

I wish I could also attend a seminar at the TMI, but it is too costly and too far away for me.

I see violet during meditation sometimes and also when I was in a healing situation from another healer, then the violet dots or clouds moved from up to down or left to right. So yes, it possibly is also about healing.

Wish Lumaza, our retrieval expert and thread starter, was still here and comment but it seems he has again taken a longer time-out?
:-(

How exciting, EV! And great results from the sessions. You offered help to someone and you have received help from your guides.
I hope this experience will accelerate your AP frequency.  20 years ago I also wanted to attend these courses, but at that time I couldn't afford it.  Eventually I learned myself and now although I can afford it, I don't need it. But out of curiosity and to socialize with other explorers I may sign up for the program.

This has always been one of many favourite threads on this forum.  I always enjoy reading everyone's experience.  Thanks for adding yours EV!  My favourite books I've read were by Bruce Moen and reading about his sessions with TMI.  It is always great to hear other people's experiences with TMI who participate in this forum. 

Sounded like an awesome experience EV!

Wow! EV , I also whish many time to go at the centre.  :-D Great experience.

 EV, we have already spoken, via the phone, about your Retrieval here. So, I don't think it's necessary to comment again on it here.

I had a really strange and challenging Retrieval experience last night. I all started at the "Retrieval Center", that I have spoke of in the past here. I was in what I call a "Simulation Room". This is a room the that the Retrievee is currently in. They can simulate it to anything they wish, as can I can, to help them to move on.

The subject here was a lady that appeared to be in her early forties. I immediately searched out the problem why she couldn't move on. To do that I first do a brief "life review" of the subject, so I may learn a bit about them and their past situations during their life here on Earth.

This woman's life was literally pure hell. She had been mentally, physically and sexually abused throughout her youth. She began pregnant at the age of 20 and because of her severe drug addiction, she had a "Cocaine baby", that died soon after it was born. She lied, cheated, committed adultery a few times. Like I said, she was a mess. So was her Family that she basically had liven most of her life with.

There is was other thing though. She and her family was very religious. They went to church twice, yes, that is twice a week, when they could. I found that very strange, given the way that her and her entire Family lived their lives. It was like they were hearing the words the Preacher was saying, but totally ignoring the meaning of them. This really perplexed me. Most of my Retrieval experience was based on her back story. It went quite a while too.

So, now that I knew a lot more about her, I turned to what was the problem in her moving on. She caught me off guard when she looked at me and said "I will move on when God appears and tells me to". I knew what I should have done, but couldn't do it. I couldn't take on the form of God. I wouldn't do it. So, I failed the retrieval. As I have seen by the fact that she is in the "Extreme" ward, no one else there would do it either.

Could you?

Thanks for listening.

Lumaza, you did NOT fail the retrieval. You did your part, but it was not for nothing. Your help has added to her glass of knowledge, and one day when the glass if full she will "see". Until she is ready, no one can force her or trick her to see the truth. Eventually she will though. I don't have consents with stuck souls because eventually they do find their way, they still encounter lessons wherever they are and all that adds to their overall knowledge. When the knowledge accumulates enough, they have sudden realizations, just like we do here. I think this applies to any place in the multiverse. ANY experience adds to the knowledge.

Okay EV, I know we talked quite a bit about your TMI experience but I didn't realize til now that I hadn't commented here. As you know I've had a lot of distractions lately so forgive my scattered tendencies please.

Far as I can see that was a perfect retrieval, well done my friend. I was totally intrigued with your experience with the violet energies. I love feeling my way through those energies when I'm blessed enough to feel them. Don't it just bug the britches off you though when it's all color and no definition, good as being blind. But you pulled your way through that wonderfully.

Loved this line, "What do you think all the violet was about?" Typical short answer. I think 'they' like playing with us. Eh, so frustrating.
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Lumaza, it seems so weird how screwed up people can be on their belief systems like this retrieval of yours. It's interesting that I have met quite a few people who seem like the most 'ungodly' people you could imagine and yet they hold these very strong religious beliefs. It really makes you pause when you stop a moment and think about it, like how did this happen?

I think LIghtBeam is right on point about even the retrieval area being a learning center. The lessons don't stop even there, however it's possible the opportunities for learning might be fewer and further between so people like you/us/others are more than necessary. I certainly don't think you failed and as for your question, no I don't think I could play that role either. But if we think about that a moment we would have to ask ourselves, now why is that?

Are none of us brave enough to put on the mantel of God or perhaps we still much to work on in our own belief systems?

Oh, welcome back!

In February of this year, I seriously asked to be 'enrolled' in the retriever program and then got some amazing signs for a few weeks afterwards (dreams and physical life synchronicities) that I was 'hired' indeed.

I then had two retrieval experiences of a very different kind. Since I also (while I am still learning it) want to write a book about this topic in the future I also started recording them on my revitalised Astral Blog although I did not want to record any projections publicly anymore. But I also thought I can kind of 'inspire' more people to learn to become helpers and they are also amazing experiences of a different kind - and it fits my book project.

@Lumaza, a question also related to one of my experiences: How are the retrievees 'imported' to the Retrieval Center? Is it all still in the F2 area and it is just your way of visualising it, so it is practically a gateway or a hub to the people to be helped? Or is your RC a 'place' higher up (F3) and they are already a step further and were retrieved / brought to these separate rooms from a 'lower' astral plane (F2/F3) to work out their stuff and be counseled / retrieved further?

In one of my experiences I 'imported' one retrievee into my own dreamscape (F2) and it intermingled possibly with his own. I remember Fred Aardema writing in his book about a similar experience where he was first in a country road he knew from his childhood. He then met a child to be retrieved and they ran together 'home' into the city to the centre. There the city slowly turned into one that the child (also) knew and it ran into the light then. So that is another example where you start with our own visualisation / astral (dreamscape) area and it mixes up with the one of the retrievee. The other retrieval I had was in a more stable area which was unknown to me at a lakeside (I assume in F3, a lower astral consensus group environment with/for people suffering from the same kind of death event trauma, drowning in this case).

Here's the two retrievals from February documented on my blog (Drunkard, Drowned Children). I stopped the activity for now since I am in a life situation which is hard and have to 'retrieve myself' from it first before I can be a helper again, but I want to resume it very soon and also go on with my book.

https://astral-blog.weebly.com/blog

8-)

Lumaza,

Just a couple of thoughts reading your experience.  It sounds like you were given a very difficult one since you mention that this woman was in the 'Extreme' ward and that others have failed.  Are we not all God?  Are we not all Creators?  Do we not all have the Divine within us?  Maybe this was a test for you as well.  You say that you 'Couldn't take on the form of God' but this 'Couldn't' sounds like a limitation that you and likely many others (including myself) have since this woman is still in this state.  Limitations that mankind has by putting God above us.  Hopefully this is something we can all work on!  Anyways, that was my humble 2 cents!

Welcome back!


Volgerie,

I read your post on the 'Drowned Children By The Dark Lake'.

You state: 'Although I did not stay until the ,end' and fulfilment (which is what often happens to retrievers) I might have contributed to the group retrieval of drowned children.'

When I read this I felt that you did stay until the end.  You were all chanting a mantra to raise the vibrations of the children.  As the vibrations increased the children moved on and you were sent home since you were not allowed to follow them just as Author Fred Aardema states about seeing them go into the light.  Yours was not a visual but it was a vibration.

Well done!

 Nameless and Lightbeam, Thank You for the vote of confidence. I took it as a test as well. I strive to stifle my ego during a Retrieval. It is all about them, not me. That is why I guess I had a hard time assuming the form of God. I also don't really see God, with the big G as being a Human form as is. I see it more of a "energy based nature".

Volgerle, my first Retrieval occurred while in a Phase session. At the time, I was using Binaural Beats and just went with the flow. An image of a soldier then appeared in front of me and suddenly the whole scene just opened up in front of me. I then acted on instinct.

The next events then occurred after setting the stage. I put out the intent and began my Doorway process. This led to a certain Doorway(portal) that I had chosen, visualized and when I opened that door, a full a Retrieval revealed itself.
I then began targeting the actual place, this enormous white Cathedral building that I kept experiencing at the finale of my Retrieval experiences. When a Retrieval was completed, we, (the Retrievee and myself) would be whisked off to the Island destination, finally ending up at the steps of this white Cathedral (Hospital like) building.

I found that this Island, seemed to resemble my "Happy Place" that I used to target when I began this practice. That being my Tropical Island Paradise. At times I could swear this Retrieval area was the on other side of the Island, that I hadn't explored yet. I had and still do have may unique adventures when targeting this place. It has become the ultimate "launching pad" for me.

Then, it began occurring in my Dreams. In these, I would just become aware I was experiencing a Retrieval and react (act) accordingly with full lucidity. That led to my experience of finally being permitted to "enter" this white Cathedral building. During that experience I made a choice to continue Retrievals when I myself transitioned away from my Human form.

I saw this all like some sort of "transition" or in todays' terms, "leveling up". My continued intent to become a "invisible helper" was answered. After awhile it all became "automatic". I would always become consciously aware in my Dream, when I needed or was required to.

Volgerle, your intent to become a "invisible helper" has been heard and received as well. Like everything else in this practice, there seems to be a "learning curve" though.

T-man, yes I saw it as a test as well. But as usual, it was after the fact that I came to that conclusion. I saw that I was being tested to find my "limit", to see how far I would go. I have done some strange and "extreme" things in the past to aide Retrievees in finding their way. Like I said, we, the Retrievists, I guess you call them, can use anything at our disposal to "help" them decide to move on. But we can't force them to or make the decision for them.

Are we not all Gods, are we not all Creators? I found for some reason that taking on that form was just not right and that's beyond the question of ego. I myself still have questions today about a the "Creator", that I can't answer. I guess that confusion also played a part in not being able and refusing to take on that form.

Lumaza,
There are several topics related to Retrievals to discuss here; I will touch on a few.

1- I wonder that you didn't need to show up as "GOD" for this woman to believe in your relief assistance, but maybe you could have chosen a lesser form- an Angel, a Saint, a brilliant, shining cloud-form, etc. I had that dilemma as one of my retrievals at TMI and found an interesting way to deal with it, but I will certainly allow that this was a higher level test of just how "authentic" you would choose to be within a retrieval context; it is all quite 'level determinant', and in your case it was likely a next-level test of sorts.

Within my TMI retrievals, I found that I mostly operated from a very instinctual level; at least initially. All of my prior PR anxieties and worries about how I might react within a retrieval context were simply left behind- I operated within a purely instinctive and intelligent level I was previously unaware of...in retrospect I was quite happy with all my decisions and my thinking at the time. It all just seemed to fall in place very naturally.

With later retrievals I was more involved within a cognitive level- I had more decisions to make and they did not happen automatically. I will post an example that relates to this conversation and the 'higher spirit' context within a day or two.

2- The 'cathedral' that you describe is pretty clearly what TMI describes as the Healing and Rejuvenation Center and it seems to exist within the same NP area that many of us have visited. TMI describes it as Focus 27 and through the Hemi-Sync process they can assist you in getting there. In my understanding/experience this is an energy construct, a NP energy framework of interpreting the energy that is at work there. This language is just simply incapable of describing it properly; this is the best that I can offer. Within Focus 27 there are many such constructs, serving different purposes: Education, Planning, History, and Re-Entry. I did not get as complete a tour as I wished for, but I did get a good taste of it. As an example, I was traveling through the Healing and Rejuvenation Center once and was asked if I wished to revisit a healing modality that I had rejected a few years earlier within a dream. Feeling absolutely clueless, I said okay. I was put into a 24 inch by 24 inch rectangle column of glass? and a slicing/dicing grid of blades descended upon me. It chopped me into maybe 32 bits of flesh-very realistic but not (maybe just a little) painful...then it chopped me again into 64 bits...then once again into 128 (I guess)... and my awareness lay there on the floor for a few seconds, scattered into 128 bits of awareness (that was an interesting sensation!) and then I slowly 're-configured'...IDK...just sayin'. I mentioned this experience at the next lunch to one of the Trainers and she responded very naturally saying, "Oh yes, that's just one form of balancing your energies." And with that, I realized that a couple years earlier, I had ended a dream, thinking it was de-volving into a nightmare...but actually it had been a healing opportunity.

I gotta tell ya, the Trainers at TMI are a uniquely-talented set of people. I have now met six of them and I am truly impressed by each one and within their singular expertise.

3- The area of the 'healing cathedral' or what TMI calls the HRC also includes a few other 'energy structures'- The Education and Planning Center, the Archives and the Re-Entry area. I am only beginning to explore this area but it does seem to be 'island-like'.

TMI has no express admonishments about describing what they do, so I will offer this: Focus 27- It does appear like an island. And you create your 'Happy Place' somewhere within it...and that I have done. My place is a multi-terraced beach resort; I soon realized there is really no need for interior bedrooms or kitchen, dining or other areas...it might as well just be terraces enjoying a view of the sea. So this is where you are initially directed for a Retrieval. Go to your place, then go to the Park and ask for a Guide and drop down into F23 for a Retrieval.

And my friend Lumaza has discovered this on his own...he describes it exactly as I just experienced it a few months ago multiple times and he has thereby confirmed it in a very incredible and authentic way. His 'Happy Place' does exist...it is in F27...and from there it does feel like a mile-long jump to the Park, where you ask for guidance or permission, or you just say sh..t, I will do it myself...and you go down through the frequencies and find lost people...and bring them home.

To share within this requires offering yourself to the greater good of the Universe.

It requires a degree of service, wherever you may find yourself.

T-Man,
thanks for the kind words, yes, I also believe that I contributed a necessary part and maybe it was what was needed most for them (and the caretaker/guide) in this particular (and for me peculiar) situation.

EV & Lumaza,
Wow, amazed at reading all of your detailed professional experience(s). I see that as a relative newbie to the art of retrieval I only have started my (learning) process and am motivated to resume it soon after I put it on hold last February.

Friends, please never stop posting here. Let's start a 'Retrieval Club' in this thread and I hope I will be able to add more of my new(bie) experiences then soon (will post a link to blog every time).

Questions I have so far:

So you mainly do the retrievals all by yourself and get them to a place, if I get it right? You do not just let the guide do 'the rest' and guide them to this 'higher place'?

For me there are actually three main types of 'handover' or 'closure' to identify:

either 1) a guide handover or a 2) light event or type 3) going to a 'location' yourself, mostly F27?

I've been once there to this 'Park' or 'Island# but it was the/a library.

So the lady who wanted to see God did not have to be shown a guide or the 'light' anymore since she was already partly retrieved to F27/Island/Park (if I get it right) and to the Healing/Retrieval centre there - and she just needed counselling to be moved on further?

This would be a fourth type for me then. Advanced level. But is it still retrieval or isn't it even more? Counselling? Being or becoming a real 'guide' or guardian angel yourself?

I would call this retrieval work 4.0 already (I'm feel I'm only at 1.02 or maybe 1.03 now) after all.   :lol:

In this situation with the lady I would have tried not to turn into God for her but to 'show' her God by guiding her to some light (type 2) that I would have hoped to appear then (and it usually does in lower astral cases maybe?).

But in this case it would have been wrong then anyway because - as I understand it - she was already transported to this place higher up (Healing/Retrieval Centre, Hospital, Cathedral) and needn't 'a lift' of this kind anymore?

Btw, next to the Library (akashic?) I once made it to a 'Temple Of Healing' (described by Dolores Cannon in her book this way) and it looked like a cathedral indeed with a nice garden in front of it and people were queuing to get inside then on a sunny day. But I was not inside then. I was there with one of my main guides back then and I unfortunatley had to leave to get back to my body then because time was up. So maybe that was another visit to F27 or the "Island" or "Park".

Hope I'll get there soon. I do not feel though I will be able to go to F27 first and start a retrieval directly by going down. I think I cannot do it so far. I still would have have to 'work myself up' from the 'astral hell' together with the retrievee then to bring them to F27 myself.

I'm really excited to try this next time.

Just decided to try a projection to that Retrieval/Healing Centre/Cathedral myself. After all I was there 'outside' already so I have the 'ident' somehow of this 'location' in F27. Maybe the guides will help me since I am a 'trainee' and thus 'part of the gang' somehow.  :roll: :-D

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 24, 2019, 07:02:57
Lumaza,
There are several topics related to Retrievals to discuss here; I will touch on a few.

1- I wonder that you didn't need to show up as "GOD" for this woman to believe in your relief assistance, but maybe you could have chosen a lesser form- an Angel, a Saint, a brilliant, shining cloud-form, etc. I had that dilemma as one of my retrievals at TMI and found an interesting way to deal with it, but I will certainly allow that this was a higher level test of just how "authentic" you would choose to be within a retrieval context; it is all quite 'level determinant', and in your case it was likely a next-level test of sorts.

During the "life review" that I did on her to understand her further, I saw that the image of God that she would only accept was a elder white man with a large beard. Because of that, I knew that that was who she was "expecting". I never thought of appearing as just a form of energy though, because I had already seen her "chosen" image. It was very stereotyped. Actually so was her life as well.

QuoteWithin my TMI retrievals, I found that I mostly operated from a very instinctual level; at least initially. All of my prior PR anxieties and worries about how I might react within a retrieval context were simply left behind- I operated within a purely instinctive and intelligent level I was previously unaware of...in retrospect I was quite happy with all my decisions and my thinking at the time. It all just seemed to fall in place very naturally.

With later retrievals I was more involved within a cognitive level- I had more decisions to make and they did not happen automatically. I will post an example that relates to this conversation and the 'higher spirit' context within a day or two.

It's almost as somehow someway we just "know" what to do!  :wink: Last night I had a lucid experience where I found myself "enrolling" in some form of education. I felt current self, even though I did find out that I was a youth in this scenario. That showed me symbolism that I was just about to begin some new form of education.

Quote2- The 'cathedral' that you describe is pretty clearly what TMI describes as the Healing and Rejuvenation Center and it seems to exist within the same NP area that many of us have visited. TMI describes it as Focus 27 and through the Hemi-Sync process they can assist you in getting there. In my understanding/experience this is an energy construct, a NP energy framework of interpreting the energy that is at work there. This language is just simply incapable of describing it properly; this is the best that I can offer. Within Focus 27 there are many such constructs, serving different purposes: Education, Planning, History, and Re-Entry. I did not get as complete a tour as I wished for, but I did get a good taste of it. As an example, I was traveling through the Healing and Rejuvenation Center once and was asked if I wished to revisit a healing modality that I had rejected a few years earlier within a dream. Feeling absolutely clueless, I said okay. I was put into a 24 inch by 24 inch rectangle column of glass? and a slicing/dicing grid of blades descended upon me. It chopped me into maybe 32 bits of flesh-very realistic but not (maybe just a little) painful...then it chopped me again into 64 bits...then once again into 128 (I guess)... and my awareness lay there on the floor for a few seconds, scattered into 128 bits of awareness (that was an interesting sensation!) and then I slowly 're-configured'...IDK...just sayin'. I mentioned this experience at the next lunch to one of the Trainers and she responded very naturally saying, "Oh yes, that's just one form of balancing your energies." And with that, I realized that a couple years earlier, I had ended a dream, thinking it was de-volving into a nightmare...but actually it had been a healing opportunity.

I never replied to the part of your post where you explained the "scattering of your awareness. As you know from my past posts, I have experienced being eaten by little Pac Man characters, seeing my body as a chalk outline, like in a murder scene and some various other parts of dismemberments. I found that these were all taught to me to show me how important it was to disengage from a physical mindset. Through this I wrote in my Doorway thread, techniques to "disassociate" yourself from your physical focus by using a few simple methods.

QuoteTMI has no express admonishments about describing what they do, so I will offer this: Focus 27- It does appear like an island. And you create your 'Happy Place' somewhere within it...and that I have done. My place is a multi-terraced beach resort; I soon realized there is really no need for interior bedrooms or kitchen, dining or other areas...it might as well just be terraces enjoying a view of the sea. So this is where you are initially directed for a Retrieval. Go to your place, then go to the Park and ask for a Guide and drop down into F23 for a Retrieval.

Next time I am there, I'll have to look you up, lol!  :-D

QuoteTo share within this requires offering yourself to the greater good of the Universe.

It requires a degree of service, wherever you may find yourself.

With me it all began when I chose to be "invisible helper", as stated in the Annie Bessant video. I still go back and listen to that video once in awhile. There is so much great info to be found in it. You really can't receive all that info in just one sitting.

Quote from: Volgerle on April 24, 2019, 15:06:24
EV & Lumaza,
Wow, amazed at reading all of your detailed professional experience(s). I see that as a relative newbie to the art of retrieval I only have started my (learning) process and am motivated to resume it soon after I put it on hold last February.

As with anything else in this practice and in any teachings in life, there is a "learning curve" here as well. Most of it I find is through "repetition" and learning how to compose yourself while in the NP itself. In other words, "learning the lay of the land"!  :wink:

QuoteFriends, please never stop posting here. Let's start a 'Retrieval Club' in this thread and I hope I will be able to add more of my new(bie) experiences then soon (will post a link to blog every time).

I agree!  :-)

QuoteQuestions I have so far:

So you mainly do the retrievals all by yourself and get them to a place, if I get it right? You do not just let the guide do 'the rest' and guide them to this 'higher place'?

For me there are actually three main types of 'handover' or 'closure' to identify:

either 1) a guide handover or a 2) light event or type 3) going to a 'location' yourself, mostly F27?

I've been once there to this 'Park' or 'Island# but it was the/a library.

During my first ever "conscious" Retrieval, I felt the presence of a guide, if needed though.

Almost all of my Retrievals ended with me escorting the Retrievee to the Cathedral/Hospital. I did right in this very thread though a few circumstances that didn't arrive at the Cathedral. One being the experience where the Retrieve walked down a flight of stairs and climbed into a dresser drawer of some kind. The other escorting a Retrievee to more of a Hotel/Palace type of destination. That could still have been on the "Island" though. The dresser drawer wasn't though. At least I didn't sense it as such.

QuoteSo the lady who wanted to see God did not have to be shown a guide or the 'light' anymore since she was already partly retrieved to F27/Island/Park (if I get it right) and to the Healing/Retrieval centre there - and she just needed counselling to be moved on further?

She was in the "extreme" cases area and that I was shown seems to be inside of the Cathedral. It was only in my last few experiences that I was ever permitted to enter that place.
She seemed to be too stubborn to move on. She wanted to see what she wanted to see, but as I saw it, no one there was willing to do it. Which I found strange because the "Aides" that I had seen there were not necessarily Human themselves.  :|

QuoteBtw, next to the Library (akashic?) I once made it to a 'Temple Of Healing' (described by Dolores Cannon in her book this way) and it looked like a cathedral indeed with a nice garden in front of it and people were queuing to get inside then on a sunny day. But I was not inside then. I was there with one of my main guides back then and I unfortunatley had to leave to get back to my body then because time was up. So maybe that was another visit to F27 or the "Island" or "Park".

Hope I'll get there soon. I do not feel though I will be able to go to F27 first and start a retrieval directly by going down. I think I cannot do it so far. I still would have have to 'work myself up' from the 'astral hell' together with the retrievee then to bring them to F27 myself.

I'm really excited to try this next time.

There are quite a few similarities in all our stories here. Still, we are likely all perceiving it in our own way.

We get there how ever we can. The main thing is that we "get there"!  :-)

I love this thread and am all for the Retrieval Club. I have one question for the retrievers, do you or have you ever seen another retriever in action?

I never saw another somebody doing it, I tend to many times save a group of people if not one or two individuals lol. I guess it is unlikely to see anybody else because we are I guess are taken to specific places to do it and I don't know what is the chance seeing anybody else doing the same where you are.

Quote from: Nameless on April 25, 2019, 11:29:26
I love this thread and am all for the Retrieval Club. I have one question for the retrievers, do you or have you ever seen another retriever in action?

My goal when I created my Doorway technique was to have a number of people also learn how to target "direct" areas, as in "chosen" Doorway/portals. I understood that other people may and likely would perceive the doors/portals differently. But I found that once we could learn how to do the targeting itself, then we could target specific Focus levels as well, including undergoing Retrievals. But it seemed no one was interested in that.  :|  :-(

I have never personally viewed another active Retrieval in process. Like Philidan here, I have also had these "group Retrievals", where it seems like I am there to save some community, village, town, etc., from some sort of threat. I call those experiences "Hero Dreams" though. Those ones all occur during LD experiences.

Computer locking. lost last reply. Internet/NP interference...always hard to tell, lol. crap.

I will keep my answer short bc of this. During retrievals, TMI reminds us to get personal information that can be later verified. In many cases apparently, this is done. Apparently a lot of people have been verified. I don't know...it hasn't yet occurred to me to ask of any of my 'retrievies'.

My instinctive and over-riding response seems to always be to deal with the issue at hand, and not be on a fact-finding mission, gathering names and dates of birth.

To answer several of Volgerle's questions, I would say that you have already been there several times, whether it is the Park, the Reception Center or Focus 27...do not get hung up on that issue...it is all the same and from what you describe, you have been there. Interpretations of energy constructs.

F27 does have related areas: The Library (Akashic records?), the Planning/Education Center, the Entry Center, the Healing and Rejuvenation Center (Hospital).

As far as navigating around these various places/states of consciousness, my own descriptions are limited and imperfect, but comparing them to Lumaza and Volgerle and many others I can agree and testify to them, at least to my satisfaction. As Robert Monroe famously said, "Don't take my word for it; go experience it for yourself."

There are Guides available and waiting for each of us and many at TMI describe meeting them. In my own case, I don't have any here, at least working directly with me. I know they are there, just in the shadows...I have spent decades bitching and screaming WHY won't you respond to me?! It has only been shown to me in the last year that my Guides are there, but they don't show themselves. Apparently that is because I insisted on this condition for my incarnation; I wanted to do this entirely on my own. Silly me, but apparently they are honoring that agreement to the letter. They still find 'work-arounds' to teach me or remind me of certain things; and I am slowly learning to appreciate this level of such incredibly subtle and delicate assistance...so God bless them and my love and thanks...

Enough for now.

Given what I just posted, here is another January TMI retrieval-

The Hemi-Sync assists me up to my 'happy place', my little resort in F27. I created...or at least, started this place many years ago...it never felt complete and it still doesn't, yet my work during Lifeline has strengthened the idea of it; sometimes I feel my presence there very strongly, other times not so much...but I do now recognize its purpose and function. I stand on the terrace and for a few moments enjoy the afternoon sun and it's warmth as I stare out across a gentle sea. I am there, maybe 85 to 90 percent. I spend a few moments, gathering my thoughts, my determination and resolve it into an 'intent' for a retrieval. Then I shoot up into the sky, into an arc that is maybe only a mile or two and land within the Park in 27.

A man is there immediately facing me. He asks how can I help you? ( I am a bit surprised because now I suddenly feel 100% in the scene) I say that I am here to do a retrieval. He smiles and says, "You should have a Guide with you." I say, "I don't have one right here and apparently I don't require one." ( I say this with as much respect as I can) There is a definite pause. I ask, "Can I still go?" And he says yes.

So I drop down, I just 'feel' the sensation of descending levels and instinctively trust that I am heading to the right place. I have no visuals now, I am back to 'sensing energies', which apparently the last several days I have been learning...but honestly, it sucks...I really prefer some kind of visual, but it repeatedly seems that I am being encouraged/challenged to add learning this from an 'energetic' perspective...confusing and daunting...just when you think you're understanding it, the difficulty shifts up another level...

I feel like I am in complete darkness...blackness...so I just wait...it's like the Void and a certain comfort level...

And a woman's voice cries out...and she is desperate...I sense her and make a slight connection, somehow (mental? emotional?)...she immediately recognizes my presence. "You, what's going on? Get me out of this!"  I mentally inquire back to her and I can mentally 'read' her story- She remembers dying but not dying...that they put her in the ground and that she could not understand why they were throwing dirt over her. The last shovel of dirt blocked out the last glimpse of sunlight she could remember and it had been dark ever since...and she had just lay there... "I could see the last shovel of dirt they threw over me!" (I will never forget that statement).

I mentally spoke to her, "I am sorry for the way they treated you, but do you think maybe that you had died? Being in darkness all this time, maybe it is time to let all that go?"

We are still in complete darkness but I realize she has relaxed and become receptive/given over to my control. I imagine reaching for her hand, feel it and begin moving forward and upward. I have a limited idea of F27 and the Reception center but we move upward and arrive there and I hand her over to welcoming people/energies (I get a sense of both); they are good and she is good...yeah...I realize that I don't always have to witness it visually, I just have to trust the 'knowing' that the mission was accomplished...

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 26, 2019, 04:35:00
So I drop down, you just 'feel' the sensation of descending levels and instinctively trust that you are heading to the right place. I have no visuals now, I am back to 'sensing', which apparently the last several days I have been learning...but honestly, it sucks...

I feel like I am in complete darkness...blackness...so I just wait...it's like the Void and a certain comfort level...

Cool. What I learn from this as a beginner (and I might be wrong) is that you can go over the Void to your 'destination' (= the retrievees location) after all. This is what I did with the drowned children. I was just approaching it from 'down there' (physical) insteaf of 'up there' (F27, higher astral).

So I need not necessarily go over F27/Retrieval-Center/Park/Island first? Maybe it is helpful and useful to have the locational 'ident' where you bring them back to?

Otherwise I would try (as a starter and since my time is limited because I cannot 'hold it' so long like more skilled projecors) to keep going to my destination first, meet the retrievee and then try to gain their trust and take their hand flying to F27 to the Centre - instead of sending them into the light or handing them over to a guide.

So that could work?  :?

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 26, 2019, 03:37:18
I will keep my answer short bc of this. During retrievals, TMI reminds us to get personal information that can be later verified. In many cases apparently, this is done. Apparently a lot of people have been verified. I don't know...it hasn't yet occurred to me to ask of any of my 'retrievies'.

My instinctive and over-riding response seems to always be to deal with the issue at hand, and not be on a fact-finding mission, gathering names and dates of birth.

I feel exactly the same. It's about "them" (the souls I aid), not me. For me, I feel that attempting to get verification would be trying to prove to someone else that this is real. In my opinion, I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I experience what I experience whether people believe it or not. I have never even given attempting to get a verification, while there, any thought at all. That's not what it's all about.

QuoteAs far as navigating around these various places/states of consciousness, my own descriptions are limited and imperfect, but comparing them to Lumaza and Volgerle and many others I can agree and testify to them, at least to my satisfaction. As Robert Monroe famously said, "Don't take my word for it; go experience it for yourself."

It's not so much about "navigating" these areas that is important, it's more about "knowing" what to do while there that is. The longer you are there, the more of the "scenario" at hand you are taking in. But sometimes that also means that you lose a lot of the memory recall. You just awaken or come out of your Phase session and realize that you just did something positive and profound that made a difference.  :-)

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 26, 2019, 04:35:00
A man is there immediately facing me. He asks how can I help you? I say that I am here to do a retrieval. He smiles and says, "You should have a Guide with you." I say, "I don't have one and apparently I don't require one." There is a definite pause. I ask, "Can I still go?" And he says yes.

I like that you had enough conscious awareness right off the bat to be able to know what your mission was and also know that you didn't necessarily need a Guide to fulfill it!  8-)

Quote from: Volgerle on April 26, 2019, 12:38:51
Cool. What I learn from this as a beginner (and I might be wrong) is that you can go over the Void to your 'destination' (= the retrievees location) after all. This is what I did with the drowned children. I was just approaching it from 'down there' (physical) insteaf of 'up there' (F27, higher astral).

So I need not necessarily go over F27/Retrieval-Center/Park/Island first? Maybe it is helpful and useful to have the locational 'ident' where you bring them back to?

Otherwise I would try (as a starter and since my time is limited because I cannot 'hold it' so long like more skilled projecors) to keep going to my destination first, meet the retrievee and then try to gain their trust and take their hand flying to F27 to the Centre - instead of sending them into the light or handing them over to a guide.

So that could work?  :?

Volgerle, I live by the adage, "if it's not broken, don't fix it". This is another of the many times I see that that comes into play here.

Do what works for you. You will be taught more when it is necessary to be. You likely are having little lessons given to you now as it is. Just go with the flow. Like I said "your intent has been heard and recognized.

Don't "overthink" this!  :wink:

Quote from: Lumaza on April 26, 2019, 23:52:25
Volgerle, I live by the adage, "if it's not broken, don't fix it". This is another of the many times I see that that comes into play here.

Do what works for you. You will be taught more when it is necessary to be. You likely are having little lessons given to you now as it is. Just go with the flow. Like I said "your intent has been heard and recognized.

Don't "overthink" this!  :wink:

I get what you mean, Lumaza, I understand. But as you might know me a little already, also from my Void article or other posts. I like categorizing, researching, structuring, discussing ... so yes, I am guilty of constant 'overthinking'.
:lol:

Quote from: Volgerle on April 27, 2019, 19:05:02
I get what you mean, Lumaza, I understand. But as you might know me a little already, also from my Void article or other posts. I like categorizing, researching, structuring, discussing ... so yes, I am guilty of constant 'overthinking'.
:lol:

I know exactly who I am talking to, lol!  :-D That is why I said "don't overthink it". There is plenty of time to do that after the fact. Just be aware and learn to allow things to commence and they will. The first thing I was taught by a Mentor that showed up earlier in my practice was to "learn to allow and passively observe "everything" around you that you see and experience". In other words, be a good "Observer" first.
Sometimes we are guilty of missing a lesson because we never slowed down enough to understand it in the first place. I find that "they" seem to like "good listeners"!  :wink: They enjoy people that will allow their curiosity to take them further. To make them into "seasoned Travelers".

Volgerle-

To offer a few possible answers to your questions: First, I would say that I agree with Lumaza in that you should be wary of over-thinking any specific aspects of these experiences; recognize and trust that your natural NP instinct is operating at a higher and more finely-tuned level within these experiences, and just go with the flow of your natural reactions. I am still learning this- when to grab hold and when to let go; it is not easy; but I have found that the correct and natural reaction will occur spontaneously; so usually the answer is to let go.

It is not a question of where the Void is, in relation to a Retrieval. The Void (and what I have found are associated various levels of the Void, both high and low). The Void can be above or below or even off to the side...it is just...available. A 3 dimensional, spatial reference really does not matter here, you can choose to make it a part of your perspective or not; it is your choice. If it seems to be in the way at some point, then simply dismiss it and move to where you 'intend'. So 'moving upward to take on a retrieval' seems entirely reasonable to me...take the retrieval from whatever direction it appears.

In the same way, you do not have to go first to your 'happy place' in F27, then the Park or Reception Center...this is just a structured modality that TMI offers initially...you are free to change it as you wish and just 'go with the flow' of where you initially emerge within the NP or where you may be taken/pushed. Within a few retrievals, it soon becomes apparent that you need to be very receptive and responsive to whatever environment you find yourself within. Personally, I prefer some structure and context of the situation I am moving through and into, but it has become apparent that this is too easy an idea, too simplistic and even lazy...we get continually challenged with new and changing circumstances to each adventure.

You mentioned the idea of "skilled projectors being able to 'hold it' for long periods of time". I thought the same thing and doubted my own abilities until I spent some time at TMI. It's not as hard as you think and during certain sessions at TMI they encourage you to take notes or otherwise momentarily disrupt your session. Sometimes this happens naturally, with having to adjust your physical comfort or the headphones; sometimes the Hemi-Sync directions change and you feel like you are behind and have to catch up with where you should be. Some of this may actually be designed into the system in order to teach us that we are, in actuality, moving our frequency up all by ourselves. We are eventually taught to become less dependent on the Hemi-Sync. You can re-adjust your position or take a quick note, or move rapidly through the Focus levels if you need to catch up. You can multi-task...it only briefly disrupts your focus. You panic a bit, at first, but then you realize.

EV

TMI/Lifeline-

Up until the final three days this course at TMI had felt like a frustrating bust- No sleep and nothing but purple color tours with very little visuals to claim any reference to. I had gotten almost nothing the other 18 class members were sharing; nearly everybody was reporting positive results. On some level, I did realize that something personal, something special to me was occurring...an energetic, maybe spiritual change...maybe it was just my hopeful imagination...I was very tired and very despondent.

But even within this frustration, I had to admit that I had still received more than glimpses of F27 and the Reception Center, the Park and the Healing and Rejuvenation Center (the Hospital). It wasn't as much as I had hoped for, but it was something substantial enough that I could pursue, that I might validate to my satisfaction.

Day Four put me into F27 and I felt that I actually entered the HR Center and asked for healing for myself. I experienced an old dream of healing that I had originally rejected and this time, with a clearer understanding, I allowed it to complete: the 'veggie-chopper'.

Day Five, I did my first retrieval, the one with the soldier.

Day Six, the final day, I did three sessions, the first was a re-visit to the Healing Center where I underwent another 'blending' kind of healing process, similar to the veggie chopper. During this session, I also received the idea that F23 also includes areas known as Purgatory and what I have come to understand as as the Badlands. Maybe 'post-Hell areas'?

The next session I tried to contact a friend who had passed six years ago (just to check on her) but was again unsuccessful; but came away with the feeling that she was okay. I then went into the retrieval of the woman who had been buried while still aware (last retrieval posted in this thread).

The final afternoon session turned out to be my most complex situation of the week. Most TMI sessions are around 45 minutes, maybe as short as thirty or as long as an hour, it varies...and as a participant, you can't really tell. I went to my 'resort' in F27, then flew over to the Park and once given permission to descend for a retrieval, I did.

I materialized 1500 feet over a desert and I 'felt' I was over the Badlands...it was an endless desert and way down below me was what I guess a Bedouin man wandering lost in the desert. I floated down near him and he barely took notice of me as he struggled along. I floated a few inches above the sand and paced along with him. I finally said hello and he acknowledged me almost begrudgingly. I asked, are you doing okay? And he said, yes, I am managing...

I offered my help and he refused. I asked why? And he said because I don't know if you are a devil or an angel. I thought about my appearance and just how I was presenting myself; I think I made an intention to 'brighten' myself but that was all; I did not want to misrepresent myself. I said to him that I am a person just like you but I am here with the ability to help you. He said that makes no sense, you are either one or the other, an angel or a devil. I said I won't pretend to you that I am an angel, I am not...but I am also not a devil. If I was a devil, would I just not take you now?!

He looked at me and said if you are not a devil or an angel then you are just a mirage and I am mad. I said that I am not a mirage and not a devil and not an angel, but maybe a friend who can help you out of this situation. He questioned, How do I know you are not a mirage? I said, because I KNOW that I am not a mirage...or a devil...

He said, How do I know you are what you say you are and not madness of my mind? I responded, You don't know...but at some point, you will have to trust.

This conversation went on for what seemed like the whole 45 minutes, if not what felt like hours, honestly it felt like an incredibly long time...I finally left him in silence and floated along with him as he wandered. I said, You notice that I leave no footprints? He said, Yes I clearly see that.

I poked a few questions which clearly aggravated him: How many weeks, months or years have you been out here? (He couldn't recall how long) Isn't it interesting that, in all this wandering, you have never come across your own footprints? (That irritated him) When was the last time you had a drink of water? A man couldn't go for much more than a day out here without water, you would just die...has it been weeks or months? (that seemed to have finally set the realization within him).

The Hemi-Sync Return Signal had sounded, a kind of low volume clarion/foghorn that brings about a certain recognition of place within the environment and also signals the return instructions that will follow; the session was coming to an end. I felt the need to quicken the pace or I might lose this whole scenario. I started to float away and upward from my Bedouin companion. He sensed this and implored me, where are you going? I said that it was time for me to leave and he needed to make a decision; I added that if he was not ready then I or another would become available to him when he was ready. This produced a definite response and he reached toward me and I took his hand. I said to him, Look, it can't be any worse than where you are right now. And he agreed. Holding his hand, we lifted off the sand and his eyes widened...as we rose higher I could tell the Physical Reality symptoms were leaving him: the tiredness, the hunger, the thirst...as all of these physical issues left him, he became lighter and more free. I felt good and in control as we moved towards F27 where I would drop him off.

But that's not what happened. If I had indeed picked him up in F23...we still had to move through and beyond the Belief System Territories of F24/25/26...the BST's...not a problem for me, but what about him?

That had not been an issue for me...until now. As we rose up from F23, I felt a strong grip with his hand. Heading for 27, I was surprised when I felt the loss of his grip somewhere around F24/25...he fell off and disappeared somewhere below...

After all this effort and expectation, I was just a little frustrated...what had happened?! The realization did not occur to me instantly, so I re-scripted the event... I was back in F23 hauling him back up by the hand, and I held on even tighter, with more determination...and he still let go and fell off in 24/25...and I could not stop it...

So I did it again! I re-scripted...held his hand, gripped it even tighter, put more determination and Intent into it...I was gonna get this man into F27...and as we rose higher through the frequencies...he fell off somewhere into F24/25...I just could not stop it.

The realization finally hit ME! This man had gone to where he needed to go, not where I thought he needed to go.

I came down to the debriefing late and sat in silence with twenty other people describing their experiences...and in absolute wonderment...and a certain degree of bewilderment at what I had just experienced.

Ur at TMI right now EV? Does TMI purposefully keep you tired so you are constantly on the fringe of theta brainwaves? What classes did you take? I definitely wanna check it out some day.

Fantastic retrieval experience, EV.

So my conclusion would be: It can be about helping the deceased people climbing further up the ladder which does not mean that they necessarily reach the top of it so fast or with one jump so to speak.

I checked the Focus Levels again and if I am right he was then attracted to some kind of religious BST then according to his beliefs in his past life?

https://www.monroeinstituteuk.org/focus-levels/

QuoteFocus 24 – The site of non-physical activity generated by simple or primitive religious or cultural beliefs.

Focus 25 – The expression of the major organized religious beliefs in recent human history.

So you helped him move on/up anyway. Just from his own astral 'badland' (or hell) to F24/25. He wasn't ready and able to go higher (nearer to his original home / Source). But he might be better off now in a BST and can move on from there 'later at another time'.

 EV, I second Volergle's comment here. "What a fantastic Retrieval experience", with such great memory recall as well!

All I can say is that this further validates my past comments about "expecting the unexpected". Just when you thought you knew the "rule's"/lay of the land", it changes.

It looks like your "Retrievee" needed to be "slow rolled". He wasn't quite ready to move to the end of the process, which could also be known as his "new beginning". That would be so cool if you were called on in the future to help him move onto his next step. That you could retrieve him once again. You already know him, so the "trust factor" is there.  :-)

Windwalker- No, I am not currently at TMI. My retrieval experiences were from January 2019 at the Lifeline course. TMI feeds you three times a day with great food and there is plenty of time to sleep, so no, they don't force you to stay awake, lol. My lack of sleep was purely my problem and you may be right in that my Higher self (?) was keeping me near that Theta state or breaking down my resistance in some way. It felt like that much of the time...or maybe I just have a sleep disorder, lol. If you ever get the chance to go, I highly recommend it! TMI is great people teaching great courses resulting in transformative experiences!

Volgerle- Thank you and I think you are right. For me, Retrieval is just about getting people unstuck from wherever they are, which is often a confused after-death state. As for the BST's, something about the frequencies of the various levels resonating with different people naturally draws them to those Focus levels. TMI advises us that this may happen during a retrieval and to just trust that the person went to where they needed to go; it just caught me by surprise when it happened.

Thank you Lumaza!

EV...Sounds like you had a great experience at TMI.  I have read books with authors describing their experiences they had at TMI and they sounded very familiar to yours such as starting off slowly with not much happening and than what seems to be some sort of breakthrough or transformation that takes place near the end...Awesome!  Maybe I will read your book someday or have I already???   :-)

What a beautiful experience that was EV! You and your retrievee learned something valuable. Your recall is fantastic and I totally agree with Volgerle. He went where he needed to go.

I'm guessing you initially felt like you had failed but you know better now.

For some inexplicable reason I feel excited after reading your post, like maybe something just got answered for me as well.

 Last week I listened to a fantastic Radio interview featuring a man named Father Nathan Castle. For 25 years now he has helped over 250 people/souls that died suddenly due to traumatic events, adjust to their current afterlife. As being a "Man of the Cloth", he "perceives" this through the grace of God, which means his descriptions will contain a lot of religious overtones. That didn't bother me though, I always maintain a open mind to new teachings, regardless of where they come from.
After hearing that 2 hour interview on the radio, I went to look his name up on YouTube and enjoyed all of his material there.

I perceive what I do via Retrievals in a different way then Father Nathan, but we each share the same goals though.

Here is a link to his website. I'm sure you will find him fascinating, like I did.
https://nathan-castle.com/

For even more videos interviews by him, you can search his name on Youtube.

Interesting find. There is also a book as I found out by (very) quick search.
"Afterlife, Interrupted: Helping Stuck Souls Cross Over—A Catholic Priest Explores the Interrupted Death Experience"

You can read his forword in the preview. Good that he says he does not want to teach catholic doctrines or convert anyone. Interesting man indeed. He does not seem to use AP though in a traditional way, does he? He says they seek him out in dreams but then he also seems to converse with them clairvoyant/audiently in waking state, as far as I see it from the first chapter. Here it is:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0692187537/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539311567&sr=1-1#reader_0692187537

Quote from: Volgerle on July 21, 2019, 11:59:29
Interesting find. There is also a book as I found out by (very) quick search.
"Afterlife, Interrupted: Helping Stuck Souls Cross Over—A Catholic Priest Explores the Interrupted Death Experience"

You can read his forword in the preview. Good that he says he does not want to teach catholic doctrines or convert anyone. Interesting man indeed. He does not seem to use AP though in a traditional way, does he? He says they seek him out in dreams but then he also seems to converse with them clairvoyant/audiently in waking state, as far as I see it from the first chapter. Here it is:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0692187537/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539311567&sr=1-1#reader_0692187537

He spoke quite a bit about this book in his interviews as well.
https://nathan-castle.com/product/and-toto-too-the-wizard-of-oz-as-a-spiritual-adventure/

I sent him a email. We will see if he responds. I have some questions for him. He not only constantly helps those in need in the "NP", he also does it here on a daily basis in this physical realm. I was reading some of his experiences on is website. He went to Oklahoma to aid in the recovery of that devastating Tornado there. He also went to Joplin, MO to aid in their Tornado devastation. He is a true "Saint" at heart!  :-) 8-)

I read through this thread with interest. What you guys are describing and call "retrievals" we in the shaman world call it psychopomp work - helping people cross over after they die. What we call "soul retrievals" is bringing back lost soul parts for people who are still alive! Thank you for these descriptions =)

Quote from: GrumpyRabbit on July 02, 2020, 03:47:52
I read through this thread with interest. What you guys are describing and call "retrievals" we in the shaman world call it psychopomp work - helping people cross over after they die. What we call "soul retrievals" is bringing back lost soul parts for people who are still alive! Thank you for these descriptions =)

I was curious about what you were going to say when or if you read this thread. Once again, similarities!  :-)

Quote from: Lumaza on July 02, 2020, 03:54:33

I was curious about what you were going to say when or if you read this thread. Once again, similarities!  :-)

Yes! I am so curious if my AP experiences will eventually tie in with my shamanic journeys. Time will tell. Thank goodness I take such detailed notes!

I find it a bit  :cry: that in this thread about 'human' astral soul rescue nothing has been posted for over 2 (!!) years.

Time to change that now.  :wink:

Question to all of you experienced travellers: Has anyone in the 'meantime' had any new retrieval situations in the astral you'd like to share? Mine were rather missing due to an all-time AP low and physical life crises with 'grounding' effects, although I renewed my 'vow' to go for retrieval work next year again.

I am still writing on the book about it (started years ago!) which is almost finished and am still 'collecting' accounts to quote in it with links to the original posts if they are on the internet or reference to the literature.

So far I have around 45 or so accounts (including a few of mine). Quite a lot already.

Anyway, if anyone of you has sth new for me to add I'm grateful.  :wink:

Moreover, by coincidence (or not?) yesterday I came across this talk between Juergen Ziewe and an experienced astral retrieval worker named Mike Marable which I found interesting.

QuoteThis is part three of our discussions  between Mike and myself regarding our Astral Journeys. This time in our chat we put emphasis on the much lower Astral levels, the twilight areas, where the energy is low and people are often desperate to move on, though not knowing how. This is where Astral helpers come in. Mike explains how he goes about his job as a soul retriever. We are discussing how minor shifts in consciousness and focus on metaphors or beacons of light in the lower regions can open worm holes into a higher dimension. It is not always straight forward rescuing people as they can sometime be a drain on the rescuer, if they are not prepared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udgdEozmcs0

8-)

Quote from: Volgerle on December 10, 2022, 14:36:50
I find it a bit  :cry: that in this thread about 'human' astral soul rescue nothing has been posted for over 2 (!!) years.

Time to change that now.  :wink:

Question to all of you experienced travellers: Has anyone in the 'meantime' had any new retrieval situations in the astral you'd like to share? Mine were rather missing due to an all-time AP low and physical life crises with 'grounding' effects, although I renewed my 'vow' to go for retrieval work next year again.

I am still writing on the book about it (started years ago!) which is almost finished and am still 'collecting' accounts to quote in it with links to the original posts if they are on the internet or reference to the literature.

So far I have around 45 or so accounts (including a few of mine). Quite a lot already.

Anyway, if anyone of you has sth new for me to add I'm grateful.  :wink:

Moreover, by coincidence (or not?) yesterday I came across this talk between Juergen Ziewe and an experienced astral retrieval worker named Mike Marable which I found interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udgdEozmcs0

8-)

Not anyone :?

Seems this forum is all about the hype on ETs these days but not for helping former fellow humans?

Not that I love the ET topic too. I do and had my experiences with them (astrally).

Just thought that s.o. of the experienced and still continuously projecting members (unlike me) had a kind of helping experience with stuck humans 'in the meantime'?

Seems the 'dead' retrieval topic is really 'dead' now, quite literally.  :wink:

I think there has been a shift, whether on the astral level or in perceptions I can't say. I have not felt called to a retrieval in quite some time. My work now is more personally focused. I can't speak for others but I personally feel the retrieval work is done.

I've had many vivid dreams with on and off awareness in the past few months that involve helping on a mass level. I often have others with me that team up to help the mass consciousness. Before it was more helping individuals that are stuck during APs, but now it has shifted, at least for me. During APs I take control of my experiences and usually I explore based on personal desires. At times I get redirected by some unknown force during APs to help, but that hasn't happened in a while.

Very interesting. Yeah, Possibly it's really a shift that happened. It could well be that we are not called upon this activity with individuals at the moment anymore as often as it used to be.

Thanks you for the feedback, Nameless and Lightbeam.

A kind of 'sequential' retrieval from 2 days ago with a guide appearing (at first) ...

Saving A Girl From Being Bullied At A Railway Station

After exit with some struggle I stood before a door as expected and waited instead of going through myself (which was the initial plan to use a door portal to meet my Retrieval Team from the other side).
I did not have to wait a long time though. A tall young lady appeared. She had blonde hair and was at least two heads taller than me it seemed. She introduced herself as being from a Nordic (Scandinavian) country. When I asked her name she somehow denied the answer or did not react to it.
Instead she said we have not much time, only 15 minutes or so or that she is only available in 15 minutes for a longer talk with me.
Anyhow, so she explains to me almost in passing that we have to go first to the railway station because that is where the children often are who need help. This first confuses me because I cannot understand why children might die at railway stations so often (remembering my retrieval with the drowned kids at the seaside or lake which made more sense to me since little kids drowning happens more often than kids being run over by a train at a station).
Of course, so I join her on her quest and strangely we do not arrive at a kind of railway station first but somehow in the staircase area of a multi-storey highrise building as it seems.
She does not use the stairs or an elevator though, but kind of signals me to do the same as she does: Jump over the banister down below and then in free fall grab a banister again below when you have passed 2 or 3 levels. And then repeat it downwards until you reach the ground level. That seems the fastest method to go down indeed.
I am not shocked at all since I am ,trained' to do similar things from dream simulations. So we both jump down Tarzan or Kamikaze style and grab some banisters in between stopping, hanging for a while and then letting to in free fall going lower again. There are many levels indeed.
I asssume that there is a kind of metro / subway / ,Tube' station in the basement of this skyscraper building when we reach our destination, the ground. However, before we reach our target down below I feel my vision is going away and I fade out. I still have time to say sorry to the guide lady but then I am out fast.

Later (Part 2 of the retrieval event if you will) I have dreams about the metro (,Tube') in London and at one point get lucid again while I am really in a kind of subway or railway station.
I instantly remember my mission and look out for a child not wasting any time.
I see a little girl crouched on the floor against a wall and she is being bullied by a bigger male kid (or more, not remembered) with something being thrown at or held against her (don't know what it was).
I chase the ,bad' kid(s) away easily and take her by the hand and together we go to the next station platform.
I remember my mission of doing some kind of handover but I see no ,guide' or light source or whatever. On the station platform a train enters and we look at it and she remarks how beautiful it is.
I grab the little girl to lift her up and then enter the train carrying her, hoping to find the guide (maybe the tall Nordic lady again) inside to take the kid further ,up' (the train probably leading to Focus 27?).
This does not happen however while the train starts to move out of the station. I look at her and suddenly ,she' is no longer there but I kind of hold an empty transparent shade of her in my left arm like a kid sized plastic puppet.
Then again the projection / dream ends and I fade out of the scene quite disappointed again.

My analysis:

There is a lot of metaphor in this which is interesting in both parts of the event. In detail:
The guide was very ,tall' and I was told already years ago in forums that in dreams or projections guides often appear this way if they appear as humans, sometimes they are a head or more taller than you. I found this information to be correct in many of my own dreams or projections since then.
Another hint is when she said she is ,Nordic' and the North might also indicate her higher origin from ,up there' (maybe from the F27 Reception Centre area?).
She was also quite business-minded getting down to action immediately not wasting any ,time' (I assume she was knowing that ,my' - not her – time is limited for this kind of activity before I fade out). I believe that the retriever guides are this way, always focussed on their job and to get it done with our without our help. The retrievee comes first, not the retriever helper!
Our way jumping ,down' in that high building's staircase to the station also signifies the astral levels. Maybe we really started at the ,reception centre' area in Focus 27 (although I am not sure where I started but it was a lighted and thus 'higher' place) only to then descend to the Focus 23 or 22 area to fetch a child from ,down' there.
The railway station that confused me first might actually signify a place (or state of being) to be retrieved from indeed. You often first have to wait for the train to take you elsewhere (probably better), there's lots of travellers in waiting areas at stations.
The child(ren) themselves might still be caught in their own imagination or F2 dreamscape and not even take notice of the station, just like the harassed child was. Maybe that was the trauma it suffered most from in its short life life or was it even the cause of its death?
The train we entered was then maybe the ,portal' going moving her ,up' again to Focus 27. When I made her aware of it she then 'saw' it and commented how beautiful it was. That was maybe the decisive moment already: Noticing the 'portal', the transport system or even a guide?
The empty shade I held after boarding the train was maybe a sign that she then already had moved onwards and hopefully upwards. So already showing her the train or entering it with her did the trick.
Maybe it was a success after all?

 Volgerle, I have to thank you for not only your sharing here, but the desire you have to make retrievals a part of your life. You don't always have to be consciously aware to have retrievals. Once you choose that path, it becomes a part of you.

In the video link below, Kurt Leland talks about Annie Bessant and the name she gave for those that wish to help in NPRs. She called them "Invisible helpers". Once you choose that path and are also "accepted into it", you find that it becomes a part of who you are. In Kurt's Leland, he further breaks down the "characteristics" and the "purpose" of those that choose this path.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA12Xd3Zq0I&t=4s

I have not posted in this thread for a while now. A few days ago I was perusing our Forum here and the Souly for Retrieval thread caught my eye. I have to apologize Volgerle, I didn't see your post above with the video link to the conversation between Jurgen Ziewe and Mike Marable. Since I have seen that, I have written a personal email to Mike. I hope he responds. I had a few questions that I think he could clear up for me. I especially enjoyed Mike's talk about the "lights" and that the lights/orbs act as "portals". Many times, I follow the light or orb to get "there". But rarely are they used to complete a task and set the Retrievee free, so they can move onto their next path. In my Retrievals, I can utilize any form or can create any atmosphere, simulation or scenario that is necessary to accomplish whatever has to be done. I just can't decide or force the Retrievee's decision to move on. During the Retrievals, it is normally their nightmares and torment that I am in though. That is why we find so many of these experiences in dark and dreary environments. The only happiness in them is when the person finally decides to moves on. That moment is filled with elation!  :-)

Your recent experience for some reason seems really similar to a experience I had last night. After seeing your post with the video link into it, you renewed my passion for having "conscious Retrievals" again. I know I never stopped. I even found a way to further the Invisible Helper concept. I do it here in the physical as well. My Art is based on it. Every Crystal Amplifier I create, (a Crystal Amplifier being my wire wrap tree designs), I focus on the intent to amplify the owner's positive thoughts, wishes and desires. The trees are twisted copper (conductor). I then mount the roots onto a Quartz Crystal cluster (energy source), then onto a piece of driftwood, all awhile focusing on my intent.

Anyways, back to your experience above and how it kind of helped me to understand the weirdness of my own experience. My experience involved children as well. After it though, there were things that didn't make any sense. As it is, that didn't matter now. It did when I was "living" it though and that is all that's important.

Long story short. My experience involved some kind of accident that left a vehicle submerged in the dirt. Underground is kind of akin to the "subway", tube or train station you spoke of. The vessel I was helping the kids out of may have been a train itself. When I cleared the dirt, I saw that the seats had collapsed onto each other. Now here is the part that did not make sense. The seating was stacked, and I had to remove a layer of the seating before I could save a child. "Layers" seem to be a familiar feel while in a Retrieval experience.
I saved the first child, he had a bit of blood on him, then I began removing the layers of steel that were between the next child. Each time I removed a layer, I saw the child there was in worse condition then the last one. Pretty soon, it seemed like I was now rolling the stuck metal out of the damaged vehicle, just like one would with rolling a hospital bed. It seemed like a "gurney"/stretcher of sorts.  I continued until I either completed the task or lost conscious awareness while doing it. I am a bit foggy on the ending though.

On another note. I have to apologize for not continually posting here in this thread. Since I have chosen the path of being a "Invisible Helper", I experience a number of retrievals, in all different shapes and forms. I don't want to post here about them every day. I feel that continually posting my retrieval experiences to be like bragging. That's the way I feel. I know others don't agree with that. But I also see and feel the frustration over the years here on people that have wanted to learn how to and experience Retrievals, yet for some reason have been kind of blocked from learning it. It showed in a lot of Ginny's threads here on Retrievals when she posted about her own experiences. She was really adept with Retrievals.  It just goes to further the problems that were recently spoke about in a thread on the Pulse and that is "experience envy". It really is a thing. I have had many PMs from members here over the years where they shared their frustrations.

A very interesting retrieval Volgerle! Thank you for sharing this at such a necessary time; we all could use a reminder of the truly helpful work that is always open to us.

I think your recollection and interpretation is probably 100% correct. I would like to add a few ideas.

There are, indeed, many times, SO much metaphor is involved and I wonder that it is not just our individual way of interpreting the energies at work in the moment, but also metaphorical forms our guides may utilize in order to acclimate us to the situation of the person being retrieved...as well as the probable metaphorical energy and situation of the retrievee herself (in this case). This is all energy, after all; energy structures that are widely variable, it seems. So, is part of the magic that a guide brings to the event the ability to match the metaphorical cognitive ability of a certain retriever...to the natural metaphorical tendency and situation of the retrievee...in other words, matching the receiver to the sender? Projectors such as ourselves are brought into retrievals because we carry an energy marker that only still existant beings carry, and that apparently is enough to catch the attention of those somewhat recently deceased and still too closely focused on the Physical Realm. Otherwise, the guides wouldn't need us; they would just perform the retrieval themselves. But also, it might be a good training ground for us, as well. So, the reasons we are brought in likely vary.

The metaphor of the underground subway or train station is fairly common for the more experienced. It is the natural departure point to other areas of the Non-Physical. Kurt Leland describes it often in his books and I have read of it in many others' narratives. In my own experiences, I've not so much gotten the subway but often find myself on a bus or train, going somewhere. Eventually the idea sank in and has become a lucid trigger for me. The fact that you found the girl in a sort of subway station tells me she was likely recently deceased and at the point of departure, but somehow menaced and bullied by some kind of private, personal hell. Your appearance with your PR energy marker was enough for her to instantly clear her confusion and recognize the reality of the transit system right in front of her and to move on. It can happen that quickly and cleanly.

The descent through the levels and the guide suggesting you grab a bannister every few floors struck me as very interesting. Whether it was from F27 down to F22 in Monroe-speak, we can quibble about; I think the retrieval was likely in F23...but the descent required you to move down in terms of frequency and I think the guide was warning you that it would be a strain on your maintaining awareness. Therefore, the idea in a very metaphorical sense, was to visualize it as descending floors in a building and reaching out to grab hold of a bannister and pause for a few moments to re-establish your awareness as you moved downward. This is similar to the idea of maintaining awareness in a RTZ OBE by grabbing hold of something physical to steady yourself; in the astral, it is more directly about taking a moment to readjust/stabilize to the new frequency. My question is: Why wouldn't a guide just tell you this in a straightforward manner, why cloak it in such metaphor? Many of us have had these moments. My guess is that it is all part of the teaching and learning...learning in unusual and unforgettable ways...and maybe a little fun for our guides thrown in. lol

So, it appears that your awareness did fade out, maybe due to the rapid descent...so you learn the hard way what the guide was warning about...maybe it was meant to happen that way...so, later in the night, you get another crack at the situation when your consciousness is better situated, and you complete the mission successfully...Nicely done! What a cool experience!

Quote from: Lumaza on April 16, 2023, 13:58:55
I have to apologize for not continually posting here in this thread. Since I have chosen the path of being a "Invisible Helper", I experience a number of retrievals, in all different shapes and forms. I don't want to post here about them every day. I feel that continually posting my retrieval experiences to be like bragging. That's the way I feel. I know others don't agree with that. But I also see and feel the frustration over the years here on people that have wanted to learn how to and experience Retrievals, yet for some reason have been kind of blocked from learning it. It showed in a lot of Ginny's threads here on Retrievals when she posted about her own experiences. She was really adept with Retrievals.  It just goes to further the problems that were recently spoke about in a thread on the Pulse and that is "experience envy". It really is a thing. I have had many PMs from members here over the years where they shared their frustrations.

I would welcome you posting here some of your retrieval experiences again.
I understand, yes, there is 'frustration' if one has not the same (amount of) experiences, especially for beginner projectors. I was often frustrated myself, especially when I had months of dryness. I still do and I am even now not 'out' very often to do something of value. So this is why I was happy about this recent projection.
However, I would not call this frustration 'envy', it's a bit of a hard word for this. This would almost literally mean to 'begrudge' somebody these experiences. I do not believe that people here do this. At least not in my case. Actually, I often feel inspired and motivated by other accounts (retrievals or not).
Moreover, as you might already well know - and I posted it here and on PMs too - I am ... still ... (LOL) writing a book on Retrievals which will be an ebook available on Amazon & other outlets via a self-publisher but I might make it available for free. It will be very 'comprehensive' and touch many aspects and sub- and super-topics and also projection techniques for people who have no experience with AP at all. Also lots of literature references and quotes of course (I have a bit of an academic background so I cannot do without this, lol).
Also therefore, as you might see, I love collecting old and 'fresh' authentic retrieval accounts to include them in part or full with quotes and links to the original post on blogs, websites or forums (or reference the literature if it's from books). It's something similar I did years ago with the 'validations' - see my signature below, just in book form.
Now so far, I have already found over 40 retrieval accounts from different sources including here, plus adding my own. So as you can see, I have another 'selfish' motive why I'd be very happy if you posted further examples here in this thread (and everyone else here of course!).
:-)

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 16, 2023, 23:08:52
A very interesting retrieval Volgerle! Thank you for sharing this at such a necessary time; we all could use a reminder of the truly helpful work that is always open to us.

I think your recollection and interpretation is probably 100% correct. I would like to add a few ideas.

There are, indeed, many times, SO much metaphor is involved and I wonder that it is not just our individual way of interpreting the energies at work in the moment, but also metaphorical forms our guides may utilize in order to acclimate us to the situation of the person being retrieved...as well as the probable metaphorical energy and situation of the retrievee herself (in this case). This is all energy, after all; energy structures that are widely variable, it seems. So, is part of the magic that a guide brings to the event the ability to match the metaphorical cognitive ability of a certain retriever...to the natural metaphorical tendency and situation of the retrievee...in other words, matching the receiver to the sender? Projectors such as ourselves are brought into retrievals because we carry an energy marker that only still existant beings carry, and that apparently is enough to catch the attention of those somewhat recently deceased and still too closely focused on the Physical Realm. Otherwise, the guides wouldn't need us; they would just perform the retrieval themselves. But also, it might be a good training ground for us, as well. So, the reasons we are brought in likely vary.

The metaphor of the underground subway or train station is fairly common for the more experienced. It is the natural departure point to other areas of the Non-Physical. Kurt Leland describes it often in his books and I have read of it in many others' narratives. In my own experiences, I've not so much gotten the subway but often find myself on a bus or train, going somewhere. Eventually the idea sank in and has become a lucid trigger for me. The fact that you found the girl in a sort of subway station tells me she was likely recently deceased and at the point of departure, but somehow menaced and bullied by some kind of private, personal hell. Your appearance with your PR energy marker was enough for her to instantly clear her confusion and recognize the reality of the transit system right in front of her and to move on. It can happen that quickly and cleanly.

The descent through the levels and the guide suggesting you grab a bannister every few floors struck me as very interesting. Whether it was from F27 down to F22 in Monroe-speak, we can quibble about; I think the retrieval was likely in F23...but the descent required you to move down in terms of frequency and I think the guide was warning you that it would be a strain on your maintaining awareness. Therefore, the idea in a very metaphorical sense, was to visualize it as descending floors in a building and reaching out to grab hold of a bannister and pause for a few moments to re-establish your awareness as you moved downward. This is similar to the idea of maintaining awareness in a RTZ OBE by grabbing hold of something physical to steady yourself; in the astral, it is more directly about taking a moment to readjust/stabilize to the new frequency. My question is: Why wouldn't a guide just tell you this in a straightforward manner, why cloak it in such metaphor? Many of us have had these moments. My guess is that it is all part of the teaching and learning...learning in unusual and unforgettable ways...and maybe a little fun for our guides thrown in. lol

So, it appears that your awareness did fade out, maybe due to the rapid descent...so you learn the hard way what the guide was warning about...maybe it was meant to happen that way...so, later in the night, you get another crack at the situation when your consciousness is better situated, and you complete the mission successfully...Nicely done! What a cool experience!

Thanks, EV, for your great feedback, always appreciated.

Love the idea with the stabilizing onto each level/frequency. That makes a lot of sense.
I also remember the train station metaphor from one of Leeland's books indeed.

I will go on posting my next retrievals here since I feel there is more 'in store' now. Well, at least I hope so.

I think everyone that comes to this thread will appreciate this video that I came across today while perusing Youtube. The problem is not all the souls that pass are ready to see what this man did. Many souls are so terrified and confused that they find it hard to move on. That is why "Retrievals" are necessary. Many times, they are victims of severe abuse or trauma and just find themselves stuck in their own personal "Hells". Once they agree and "choose" to move on, they can join and "be" the "light" once again.

I love his story! Especially the part where the light told him to loosen up. He worries about things that don't matter in a long run. That resonates with me. Just play, have fun in the game and choose happiness and love. Don't take life so seriously.

Ah, a video where someone is hinting that we are one and that life is an illusion.
I get a lot of clues pointing to that direction lately. First thought it had to do
with algorithmics, but some sources like Astralpulse are algorithmic independent.
At first I thought oneness is a kind of boring. The guy in the video and other sources
say that they can understand this but it isn't the case. Like that!

I love this video! I'm moved by the way this man expresses himself. Thanks for sharing!

At this moment I have some doubts about "The Source" as I understand, especially from Monroe's latest book, we all have our Primary Essence Focus, our particular Source, which projects into countless universes and realities of different types, beings (us/alternate/parallel lives) to experiment and return with the knowledge acquired. Now I don't understand if when people talk about The Source, it is this same thing or another "larger Source" from which the Primary Essence Focus arises. I don't understand if when people refer to the Source, it is the particular one, or the Totality. As I understood from Monroe's last book, everything would extend to macrocosmic scales.

I hope I made myself understood. Sorry for asking this question in the Retrievals thread, I hope to read more soon! 

Thank you,
Greetings!

Quote from: Tak09 on October 20, 2023, 10:06:27I don't understand if when people refer to the Source, it is the particular one, or the Totality.

hi Tak, for me personally, when I refer to the Source, I mean All That Is = God. The totality. But I know that I have larger self or higher self which is on a smaller scale, but it's different from your higher self. Both have their individuality so to speak with its array of characters and experiences. Then we drill down further to characters. I think the levels are so many and can be labeled in various manners, but the Source to me is the total oneness, the source of all from which all consciousness on individualized levels of all scales sprung. The separation to all these down levels and scales are a matter of perception. I wouldn't call them illusions though. I really don't like the word illusion. If something is perceived as real, then it is real to the perceiver. Now, the perceiver may not be aware that they can shift their perception/beliefs and start perceiving something else. They may have posed restrictions on purpose, but that's another topic. As we speak all of us and everything that ever exists are parts of the Source but at the same time all perceiving separation. The degree of awareness of the larger scales of ourselves all the way to the source depends on our individualized journeys.

Quote from: LightBeam on October 20, 2023, 11:50:08hi Tak, for me personally, when I refer to the Source, I mean All That Is = God. The totality. But I know that I have larger self or higher self which is on a smaller scale, but it's different from your higher self. Both have their individuality so to speak with its array of characters and experiences. Then we drill down further to characters. I think the levels are so many and can be labeled in various manners, but the Source to me is the total oneness, the source of all from which all consciousness on individualized levels of all scales sprung. The separation to all these down levels and scales are a matter of perception. I wouldn't call them illusions though. I really don't like the word illusion. If something is perceived as real, then it is real to the perceiver. Now, the perceiver may not be aware that they can shift their perception/beliefs and start perceiving something else. They may have posed restrictions on purpose, but that's another topic. As we speak all of us and everything that ever exists are parts of the Source but at the same time all perceiving separation. The degree of awareness of the larger scales of ourselves all the way to the source depends on our individualized journeys.

Thank you very much Lightbeam, very well explained!  :-)  It's clearer now...I suppose it all depends on the perceiver's own experience, and on what scale they perceived that, how open to the experience they was and to what extent the Ego disintegrated to merge into that Unity. 

Quote from: Tak09 on October 21, 2023, 10:15:56Thank you very much Lightbeam, very well explained!  :-)  It's clearer now...I suppose it all depends on the perceiver's own experience, and on what scale they perceived that, how open to the experience they was and to what extent the Ego disintegrated to merge into that Unity.

Yes, you really need to "check those boxes", especially the "ego" one. You need to remain "neutral" and in "observer mode" to be able to experience those deeper things.

 It's funny. I have been actively, consciously experiencing the non-physical realms for years now and not once can I say that I ever looked for "Source". I just knew it was there. I learned early on to in this practice to "allow" things to occur, instead of attempting to "direct" them. I have had experiences into this area of pure white realm of pure bliss. I didn't attempt to go there. It was just shown to me!  :-)

 I hear so many times people here on the Pulse how people seem to think they need to have a OBE when they are already in a non-physical realm. If you ended up where you did, there must be a purpose for that. Seek out that purpose! This is especially true in Dreams. Even the "Void" has it's own lessons to teach!  :wink: