The nature of reality in the astral world

[ElectromagneticMan]

Could somebody please give me a deep but simple explanation to the nature of the astral plane? I'd like to understand more thoroughly the relationship between our minds and the so-called matter I see when I'm APing.
This morning I woke up, it was the middle of the day and it was very bright, I fell back to sleep and had a very interested dream which triggered my projection. I was shot by a man in my dream – and because of my belief that we exit the body when the body fails I started to come out of it in the dream but at the same time I was exiting my body on the physical plane. I thought this was a pretty interesting trigger to trigger my projection, but anyway that's not the point, the point is, my bedroom looked far cleaner and slightly different and it was very dark, just like it is at night. I know it was a projection, I felt the intense vibrations running through my body and the noises of frequency as I exited and entered my body. So why is this? It's happened quite a few times, why doesn't the astral world perfectly reflect our physical world? Is it because of my lack of memory of the waking world? Maybe I projected into a different time than I was in in the waking world at that present moment? Or is the astral plane just too unpredictable for an explanation?
I do believe that thought and mind chatter vibrates at a higher frequency, hence why we cannot see it on this physical plane e.g. if I imagine/visualize a tiny dragon next to my keyboard, I can see it there but it is not actually there in this physical plane, but it is actually existing in a different plane of existence. How true would you say this is and am I on the right lines to trying to understand the nature of the astral world which has been baffling me for a while?

peace and love

[proyect_outzone]

So why is this? It's happened quite a few times, why doesn't the astral world perfectly reflect our physical world? Is it because of my lack of memory of the waking world? Maybe I projected into a different time than I was in in the waking world at that present moment? Or is the astral plane just too unpredictable for an explanation?

The reason for the mostly presend differences between astral world and real world are, that the astral world is some kind of "image" or "copy" of the real world. And such a copy can be modified. Sometimes a bit, like when some furniture or decor stands on other position. And sometimes are the modifications nearly complete (if only some walls are still correct while all other has been changed). The differences does not depend from the clearness of an OBE. I had blurred and clear OBEs with good copies and the contrary. The astral world is positioned in the space exactly on the physical world. I had once an experience which verified it. It was a false awakening.

I waked up and wanted to go to toilet. I went through the opened door of my bedroom and became then a nausea/dizziness and fell down. After that i realized, that i was in an OBE and begun to walk in the next room....

After a few weeks i had  some OBEs, where i penetrated matter. I remembered the feeling and this OBE. The nausea and dizziness which i became in this times was the same.

Then i realized: The nausea/dizziness of the door passing OBE was caused, because i passed a closed physical door (I got always my door closed while i sleep) while only the astral image of the door was opened. And this, while i believed to be awake on the way to toilet and so not able to know that i pass matter while beeing out of body.

[pondini]

your question is addressed by jurgen ziewe in part 1 of the videos found here:

http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Testimony_of_life_after_death_videos.html

btw, this guy really knows his stuff. read his section on 'super dimensions'. his site is pretty good. i bet lionheart will like it too:)

a few more very good videos not found on his site are located here:
http://vimeo.com/user5737590

[Xanth]

I made this post on my website a while back:  http://unlimitedboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/what-is-the-rtz-focus-1-projection/

Just some thoughts I jotted down about the nature of what most people call the RTZ and why "reality fluctuations" occur.

I've always been "on-the-fence" as to the nature of what people commonly refer to as the "Real Time Zone" (term coined by Robert Bruce).  I was never quite ready to accept that it was some form of objective reality, or if it was just another of many non-physical astral environments.  Well, I believe I might have come up with a possible answer that describes the nature of the RTZ and explains why some people are able to view places, people and things that they might not have ever been personally witness to.  It also explains what people call "reality fluctuations".

I think that the real time zone is a collective, non-physical environment, much like you'd find in Focus 3 oC, it is being created and sustained by the collective conscious minds of the beings who inhabit this physical reality (aka us physical people).  I believe the consciousness of every living being in this physical reality are interconnected and the "RTZ" is the result of that interconnected consciousness.  The reason we can go places that we have personally never been to and can accurately (within reason) report what's there is because we're tapping into the collective consciousness unknowingly and it's giving us the information we need to form the surroundings.

However, the environment is also subtly affected by our thought energy  just like any other non-physical environment is.  This is where the reality fluctuations come into play.  These are our own subconscious (consciously or unconsciously) manipulations overlaying on the surrounding collective consciousness surroundings.  Fluctuations can also be your perception of what's actually going on in the environment you are in.  For example, Robert Monroe relayed once that he was watching people playing with large white playing cards, when in actuality they were checking their mail.  The "envelopes" were being perceived by him as "large white playing cards", because that was the closest thing his subconscious mind could come up with that matched what he was seeing.

The way to control those fluctuations is to control the output of your thoughts and emotions.  Make sure that the surrounding environment is as pure an experience as possible.  That way, what you experience is what's actually there... and not some form of overlay.

What people refer to directly as the "astral" is the same kind of ball of yarn... each "reality" you visit there is a direct reflection upon the consciousnesses which inhabit it.  Including your own.  Once you jump into a reality frame, your mind is then becomes part and parcel the creator of that reality.  This would seemingly also hold true for RTZ projections as I mentioned above. 

[urshebear]

The way I think of it is that RTZ is here and now but its also not lol. like just off but the energy there must be still connected to the physical or how would we explain so many encounters where ap'ers have been seen/felt.
RTZ is still very affected by your subconscious. annoyingly this is why so many of my projections become lucid dreams or at most projections in focus two (subconscious)

you know when you draw a cube you start with one square and then you draw another square above the first diagonally and just overlapping at the bottom corner? That is exactly how I would draw the relationship between physical and RTZ.

(not really on topic but speaking of RTZ) Robert Bruce says something along the lines that there is one copy that just floats above the body or walks around the room in a trance while we dream.
This makes me think because often when I project into RTZ I start walking around and am overcome with tiredness. I feel groggy and drugged, I fall to my knees and I don't know what happens after that. like falling asleep mid obe.

[Lionheart]

 Thank you Pondini, I found these videos very informative. I think this should be another must see video package along with Tom Campbell's. Right now I am caught up with 2 very interesting phenomenons occurring. One of them is closing my eyes and seeing full motion visuals of incredibly real scenery, scenery that I am not creating with imagination. For I am thinking of nothing particular at the time. I mean immediately after I close my eyes. These visions are always motion visions. Examples, water flowing toward me or away from me, vivid colors in spirals and vortexes. The other phenomenon is while Phasing I come to an area that is so brightly lit white that I can barely even hold the sight. It always makes me feel like I am wincing and is so incredibly bright it totally overwhelms me. I also have completely lost the ability to just close my eyes and go to sleep. Sleep now comes anywhere from 1/2 to 2 hours after I lie down. I decided a couple of days ago to stop my Phase sessions for awhile, but my conscious seems to have other plans.

[ElectromagneticMan]

wow thanks pondini this guy is great! just watching the first video now, definately going to enjoy these... and lionheart thats amazing it's started happening to me too! when i sleep or awake up i see visions, i recently seen a pot of flowers and lots of ice. thanks for the replies

[Lionheart]

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[pondini]

i'm glad you guys like his site:) i discovered him only a few days ago and was very excited to find an honest advanced explorer. he is speaking at the university of texas, austin next weekend and i am trying to find out if it will be streamed or uploaded to the net. i'll post back if i find out anything useful.

[scout]

your question is addressed by jurgen ziewe in part 1 of the videos found here:

http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Testimony_of_life_after_death_videos.html

btw, this guy really knows his stuff. read his section on 'super dimensions'. his site is pretty good. i bet lionheart will like it too:)

a few more very good videos not found on his site are located here:
http://vimeo.com/user5737590

I really enjoyed these videos!!! This guy is pretty neat. Thanks for posting!