what is the best method for astral projection?

[fredhedd]

the treatise that you can access from the main page should be informative enough.  also, try doing a search on projection tek's or techniques.   there are a bunch here that we've all listed.  everyone's different so there isn't a 'best' one.

[shadowatcher]

Fredheds right. Theres no "best" technique. They are simply different.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

It can also take time. Don't expect to do it on your first try. Some do, but most do not. Do not be afraid to experiment. See what works best for you.

[kibeginnersnightmare]

hey spell cast

[Stealth Fist]

I personally think that the best way to project is from a lucid dream using Nova Dreamer.

[Birm]

OK here is my method...
You should be well rested and you shouldnt be tired at all.
The room must be fairly dark.
Lie down on your bed in a comfortable position. Close your eyes and listen to your physical body. Dont move! In about 10 minutes your body will get paralyzed slowly. You may see some visual figures but concantrate on your breath and your body and ignore the figures. Soon your body will fall asleep. But your mind should stay awake... So in order to stay awake you can talk to yourself. I always talk to myself and tell what i feel or see like i am talking to someone else. When you make sure that the physical body is asleep. Think about your astral body. Think of your astral body gets up and walks in the room. Just imagine that... Then try to look at your physical body from your astral body. Can you see?
Congratulations, You just made it...

Hope this helps...

[Stealth Fist]

Greetings Birm,

I have tried a similar technique once and had felt the vibrations for only a short second. I went to bed at night and concentrated on nothing but keeping my mind awake and my body asleep. It would seem that you have perfected the technique that I have been using I will get back to you if I have some results.

Peace,
Stealth Fist

PS. I never did have a OOBE actually but I am going to byu Nova Dreamer soon and try projecting from a lucid dream. As far as I am concerned I think that, that might probably be the best method around.

[Birm]

Hi Stealth, the most important thing is the visualization... You just dont actually see your astral body. But with practice you will understand how to see in the astral. For practice just try to remember what you did in the morning for example... Visualize it in your mind. How did you get up and what you did after that. Try to remember like you are watching T.V. in your First Person View.

Here is a quote from Treatise on OBE by Bruce...

Visualization is a big hurdle for people when they are learning to project. Many have
trouble with it because they think they have to actually SEE what they are visualizing,
you DON'T. People who can visualize things clearly DON'T actually see anything. If
they do, it is no longer a visualization but a clairvoyant vision.
Visualization is simply the ability to construct a representation of what something would
look, or feel like, in your minds eye.

[Stealth Fist]

Hello people.

I also have another question when it comes to projection methods.
Since Robert Bruce mentioned in his treatise that once succes depends also as to how much active Chakras he or she has. Would it be wise to just spend some time let say 3 months or so (depending on how long it takes for you to open you're Chakras) and meditate for some time. I think when one follows this process it should be a lot easier then simply trying blindly to project out of no where and at some point in time when one tryes to visualize himself to project it should occure "naturelarly".

[Birm]

quote:
Would it be wise to just spend some time let say 3 months or so (depending on how long it takes for you to open you're Chakras) and meditate for some time.

Well Stealth i actually trained Zen Meditation for two years. All i can say is that it helps your concantration level to increase. I think its all about concentration because everyone is able to utilize the energy they have but they just don't have control over it conciously.

I think the trial and error is the best method for everyone.

Once my father said to me when he was teaching me how to play guitar that every player holds the pick different.

I think you can open your chackras easily with the mental hands method. But to concantrate in a higher level, you have to work a lot.

I suggest you to count your breathing from 1 to 10. When you reach 10 start from 1 again. Don't close your eyes. Don't lie down. Sit in a comfortable chair. Just concantrate on your breathing. Let the thought come and pass through your mind. It is the easiest method of meditation.

[Stealth Fist]

Hello Birm and thank you for you're reply. I have been studying various forms of meditation I have leared that there are seven forms of them. I will list them down here and post a link to the site where I got them from for those interested as the site gives a more detailed explanation of each method.

Technology Induced Meditation

Sitting Meditation

Breathing Meditation

Mirror Gazing Meditation

Eye Gazing Meditation

Active Meditation

Soul Awareness Meditation

Sweeping House Meditation

And here is the link for the site
http://web-us.com/meditation_handbook.htm

Peace,
Stealth Fist

[Graupel]

I think the most crucial step concerning inducing an OOBE is being in the mind awake / body asleep state.  There are no exceptions that I am aware of.  Your body MUST be asleep but your mind awake.  Just from getting lucky and entering the state, I have brought about the vibrations naturally by just thinking about pulling them in, and that, I believe, is one of the major hurdles to success.

A lot of the techniques I think one would employ during the actual vibrational state, in which you could just keep trying to think of ways to separate (but at least you have some kind of vibrations or assurance that you have a good chance of separating).

[Tisha]

Hi,

In my experience, the best technique is the NON-Technique.  It's kind of a zen thing.  If you try too hard, and concentrate too much on what you're doing, it doesn't work.

Birm advocates concentration, while I do not.  Perhaps if what he is referring to is the stick-to-it-iveness of someone who doesn't give up, well, I can agree with that!  Or, if he's referring to the strong will that it takes to stay Aware while your body is falling asleep (which is hard), I'm right there!  But actual mental concentration, for me, is too draining; it keeps me too attached to the Physical.  I'm not sure why.

Rather than get frustrated with techniques, try for awhile to maintain that razors-edge between asleep and awake.  Don't try too hard to OBE; just see how long you can hold that inbetween state.  I think it's called "liminence."  Someone correct me if I got that word wrong.  Anyway, work on it for several days or even longer.

Then, when you feel yourself sinking into an OBE, mentally give yourself up to the next stage; i.e., LET GO OF ALL CONTROL.  I call it "flopping."  Let there be no tension in your body at all.  Be as limp as a rag doll and completely trusting. If you flop just right, you'll feel a strong YANK on your solar plexus (or your head) and WAHOO! you'll be out.

You might botch it a few times before getting it right.  That's ok, just keep doing it!  This "un-technique" works for me.  Let me know if it works for you!

[Risu no Kairu]

Well, the  Hammer-to-the-Head (self explainatory, I would hope) might work... But it might kill you.

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by Birm

OK here is my method...
You should be well rested and you shouldnt be tired at all.
The room must be fairly dark.
Lie down on your bed in a comfortable position. Close your eyes and listen to your physical body. Dont move! In about 10 minutes your body will get paralyzed slowly. You may see some visual figures but concantrate on your breath and your body and ignore the figures. Soon your body will fall asleep. But your mind should stay awake... So in order to stay awake you can talk to yourself. I always talk to myself and tell what i feel or see like i am talking to someone else. When you make sure that the physical body is asleep. Think about your astral body. Think of your astral body gets up and walks in the room. Just imagine that... Then try to look at your physical body from your astral body. Can you see?
Congratulations, You just made it...

Hope this helps...

Birm,

Very thoughtfull and very smart teck! So lets strip out all of the extra polished metal and get to the frame. Your hole reply is just saying "let your body fall asleep by thinking about your breathing and talking to your self then soon your body will become paralyzed(asleep)and your mind will be awake because of thinking about your breathing?"

Thanks!

[GoodVibrations]

I find that this works for me about 80 percent of the time, its very Eazy.  Again, what was said before though, what works for some, may not work very well, or at all for others.

When/If, you wake up in the middle of the nite to go to the bathroom, or whatever, instead of going right back to sleep...Stay Up!  Stay awake for about a half hour or so, maybe watch some TV, or even better do something SemiActive, like take a walk around the block, or whatever.  Then when you go back to sleep, just lay there, and the energy, buzzing, vibration feeling almost immidiately comes on, once you start to doze off.  And once you get that, just surrender yourself, and Voila!  Works for me nearly everytime.

I first started having these about 10 years ago, when I would stay the nite at a friends house.  We would stay up late, and only get a few hours of sleep.  I would then walk half way to work with him early in the morning, and then Run/Jog home the rest of the way.  I was still really tired from only getting about 2 or 3 hours of sleep, and would fall asleep right away.  However, I think from having my heart rate up from the Run home, helped to keep my mind awake as a I dozed off to sleep.  So ever since then I have had no problems having OBEs with this technique.

All the Best!

[goingslow]

I like the roll out method myself except sometimes I find myself a little disoriented on the floor..

Going from a lucid dream to an OBE is also a great way if you already have lucid dreams because its really no work.

The rope method has only worked for me once and I felt like I was tearing my head off.  But it was pretty cool when thinking back on it.. the sensations.

Its all about what works for you in the end.  try them all.

[Adrian]

Greetings GoodVibrations,

quote:Originally posted by GoodVibrations

I find that this works for me about 80 percent of the time, its very Eazy.  Again, what was said before though, what works for some, may not work very well, or at all for others.

When/If, you wake up in the middle of the nite to go to the bathroom, or whatever, instead of going right back to sleep...Stay Up!  Stay awake for about a half hour or so, maybe watch some TV, or even better do something SemiActive, like take a walk around the block, or whatever.  Then when you go back to sleep, just lay there, and the energy, buzzing, vibration feeling almost immidiately comes on, once you start to doze off.  And once you get that, just surrender yourself, and Voila!  Works for me nearly everytime.

I first started having these about 10 years ago, when I would stay the nite at a friends house.  We would stay up late, and only get a few hours of sleep.  I would then walk half way to work with him early in the morning, and then Run/Jog home the rest of the way.  I was still really tired from only getting about 2 or 3 hours of sleep, and would fall asleep right away.  However, I think from having my heart rate up from the Run home, helped to keep my mind awake as a I dozed off to sleep.  So ever since then I have had no problems having OBEs with this technique.

All the Best!

Yes, I personally believe this is the easiest method. It is absolutely fundamental to achieve the mind wake,body asleep state, and waking up two or three hours before normal waking time seems to be ideal for rapidly achieving this state.

There are many variations on this. Some get up for 30 minutes and then go back to sleep. This usually results either in waking up to vibrations or a Lucid Dream, hence WILD - Wake Induced Lucid Dream. Another variation is not to get up at all, but immediately focus on the brow chakra (between the eyebrows) perhaps with some imagery. This induces phasing to the Astral rather than OBE.

In summary however, I would advise trying the early morning waking methods and experimenting to see what works for you.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Birm]

quote:
Birm,

Very thoughtfull and very smart teck! So lets strip out all of the extra polished metal and get to the frame. Your hole reply is just saying "let your body fall asleep by thinking about your breathing and talking to your self then soon your body will become paralyzed(asleep)and your mind will be awake because of thinking about your breathing?"

Thanks!

Well actually i think we are just spoiling it up working with methods. We are concentrating on the methods so much that we loose control over the experience.

So i just let my self go with the flow... To stay awake i usually concentrate on my breathing... But when the images start to appear and sounds can be heard from the astral, i start to move my conciousness to my astral couple... I concentrate on my astral ears and astral eyes. This time letting the images or visions come and go...

After a short while vibrations start...

If i want to project i concentrate on my senses. But if i want to have an OBE. I try to feel the physical also. Feeling both physical and astral bodies is a hard thing at first times. But you can get used to it. Then i push my self up.

Generally when i am OBE, i try to fly. So i can be sure that i am OBE...
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[spellcast91]

ive tried like three different methods but the first one didnt work at all and with the others i always feel heavy and fall back into the physical body.