Senses used in dreams and OBE's

[todd421757]

http://www2.ucsc.edu/dreams/Library/hurovitz_1999a.html

The above link contains a research study on dreams of blind people.

Below are the 4 main findings of studying 372 dreams from 15 blind adult people.

   1) There are no visual images in the dreams of those born without any ability to experience visual imagery in waking life.

   2) Individuals who become blind before the age of five seldom experience visual imagery in their dreams, although Deutsch (1928) reports some visual imagery in six schoolchildren who lost their sight before age five.

   3) Those who become sightless between the ages of five and seven may or may not retain some visual imagery.

   4) Most people who lost their vision after age seven continue to experience at least some visual imagery, although its frequency and clarity often fade with time.

I wonder what sense is the true non-physical sense that is used after the physical body and brain dies. I have thought it might be the etheric proprioceptive (motion) sense. This is the main sense I use in all my OBE's. I do use some sight in OBE's about half of the time. I typically don't dream anymore.

I looked at the astral academy helps a blind person to see post. But this person gradually lost her eyesight, and she wasn't blind from birth. So she fits with the description of #4 above.

There have been a few NDE cases that claim a blind person could see. But, they are very rare, and we do not know if they are making up the NDE. Also were they totally blind from birth or not.

I am not trying to be a skeptic here. I am just posting some information for others to read.

I am a firm believer in OBE's as many of you know.

[Lionheart]

 Thanks for sharing Todd. There is nothing wrong with being sceptical, Thomas Campbell says it's healthy.
It's good to look at things from all sides. That's the way we form our own conclusions on what's real and what's not. 

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Its exactly this mindset that promotes progress.
Looking back in time the general consensus was the world is flat.
Another is the universe revolves around our planet.
It took one person to ignore this in both cases and the rest is history.
Skeptical viewpoint? Probably not, an informative viewpoint? Definately.
Good work!
If one person uses the info to solve one problem, its made a difference. Thats what counts.

[Stookie_]

I wonder what sense is the true non-physical sense that is used after the physical body and brain dies.

I'll take a stab at it: Our true existence is outside of space and time, so all of the senses that we use during physical life aren't necessary for that form of existence. And what we experience here as "thinking", "feeling", and "willing", are like the physical version of perceiving at that level - really, a small miniscule shadow of it.

In other words, it's thinking, feeling and willing that allows any perception to happen at all.

[Xanth]

You will only perceive in the non-physical that which you have previously experienced in some way, shape or form.
If you've never known what it means to "see", then you simply have nothing to derive the perception of you "seeing" in the non-physical.

I'm boggled by this idea from people... because to me, it should be common knowledge.

I wrote a post once for my website which I said this:

What you experience in the non-physical (be it dreams, lucid dreams or astral projections/obe’s) IS REAL. How you experience it is a metaphor… an interpretation based upon the sum of your previous experiences as something that your consciousness can draw from for that interpretation to take form.

This is the best way I can relate my personal truth on this matter.  If you have no "visual" base to form an interpretation from... then you're not going to "see" anything... ever.

So the "senses" you use are the same "senses" you use here... it's all one in the same... it's just "consciousness".  Consciousness is the only true sense.

[Szaxx]

Ok on that, its not to difficult to see the reasoning.
1,  How would you explain 'while non physical seeing things or events that haven't happened yet but will from days to many years in the physical worlds future'?
Its not a primary sense as sight is for most and only exists in the physical world on a far lesser scale. This you don't have until a few NP experiences screw up your lifestyle first.
2, Is it feedback from our next phase of transition or perhaps a latent skill?

[dotster]

Just to add some more information, while blind people don't "see" like we do when we dream there are many reports of blind people having near death experiences and claiming to see as we do. There is a lot of stuff just a google away.

[Xanth]

Just to add some more information, while blind people don't "see" like we do when we dream there are many reports of blind people having near death experiences and claiming to see as we do. There is a lot of stuff just a google away.

Those would be people who have become blind.
I'd love to read a report of someone who was blind from birth experiencing this.

[dotster]

Probably the one that has gotten the most media coverage is Vicki Noratuk, blind from birth.

Clip taken from a show on BBC it sounds like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbtoX3Q5OI

**Just as a side note, I'm not entering this in as 100% undeniable evidence for the case of consciousness or anything like that hehe. I can in no way verify this woman's experience, I just think it's fascinating that there are claims such as these out there and hope it gets people asking questions.

Those would be people who have become blind.
I'd love to read a report of someone who was blind from birth experiencing this.

[todd421757]

Probably the one that has gotten the most media coverage is Vicki Noratuk, blind from birth.

Thanks for mentioning that Doster.

Here is a link to Vicki Noratuk's NDE.

http://www.seattleiands.org/stories/blind.htm

If this NDE report is trustworthy, then it would awesome.

I was fascinated she left her body through her mouth.