Lucidity experiment

[experimental]

I had a idea last nite that confused me somewhat ...

It was the fact that if you are trying to  proove to yourself you have   left your body , through useing a number or a  playing card, which was previously hidden out of site to you from a freind or someone in the physical . Then if i was in a Lucid dream , then that number or card may appear wrong to the true physical counterpart ?  , because while we are lucid the expereince is more subjective...

If i m thinking right , then if i m haveing a subjective expereince , i have the power to shape shift the dimension i m percieving  ( Lucid )   shapeing the enviroment useing my imagination , even if i m unaware of that at times , so if i suddenly wake up with the dream in mind  with the number or card in my mind , then it should be the wrong number or card , because the expereince was Lucid ? .  Like for example if i slightly thaught of the number as being " 57 " lets say , then the number would appear as that number. ( as aposed to the true number )

But if the number  matched up  to the true physical number when coming back awake as i remembered it or seen it , it would suggest that i was percieving objectivly  somewhat  , which would explain what type of expereinceing i was haveing , IE : either  astral orientated or dream related ?

I knows it sounds abit confuseing, its head doing lol , but very intersting


Experimental  

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[bmw]

hmmm... actually I like the idea.  I sounds as if it would work.  There's only two potential obstacles I can think of.  First, you're subconscious might clairvoyantyly read the card and put it in your dream (pretty unlikely, but possible).  Second, if you are indeed out of body, your subconscious might start affecting the real-time zone, changing the card value you see.  Either way, you subconscious might get in the way of objectivity.  On the flipside, however, I would say that this problem isn't too major unless you're in the real-time zone for a long time, so all in all you theory should work.  Awesome idea!  I'll have to give it a shot.

Cheers,
bmw

[experimental]

Hi bmw


 I guess after reading roberts first book nearly twice and experimenting in different states, its projecting my own creative aspect to experiment within my own ideas, which is great.


My next difficulty in the dream states is identifying or verifying  results against the physical reality" for example the number " or card  identifying , after becomeing lucid a few times it suddenly dawned on me , that being lucid is subjective, so its possible i could change the number without knowing through my imagination influencing the enviroment around me without me being aware of it. If i can stregnthen my imaginitive state to keep  the enviroment " physically real as i can " then i l know then that the card or number has got to be the same number or card in the physuical i m percieving .

But if that happens , the questions then raised , what dimension am i in lol  ,  the real time zone ? or a created Lucid enviroment ? the real time zone is a  reflection of the physical world , so objects are a reflection of real physical objects, in that case i m in the real time zone and matching results should proove correct  .

If its a dream enviroment , maybe that is possible , that your sub-con can become clairvoyant and give you the real results to the physical object your locking on to  for all your in a dream , maybe in the actual dream , it can create a perfect copy of the  physical enviroment your percieving as a temporory enviroment .

I l stop their because it can get abit to deep i think lol

Thanks for your response anyways, i m gonna keep experimenting  when i can

experimental ; )

[catmeow]

Hello experimental

My experience of LD'ing is that it does occasionally yield information which is a refelection of the physical, although this is the exception rather than the rule.  And I believe this is due to (very) heightened ESP ability during dreams.

But I do have a problem with reading during LD.  I don't mean I can't read, I can read very easily, it's just that every time I look back at the thing I just read, I see different words!

So if I was reading a number, every time I looked, the number would change!  I haven't tried this with playing cards, perhaps these might be more stable.  I suspect this "property" of LD'ing (ie everytime you read something the words change) can be a useful method of distinguishing LD from OBE.

I've posted about this before and would be really interested to hear other people's experience of reading in LD.

I must put a playing card out tonight on top of the wardrobe!

catmeow

[Magamba]

I have been experimenting with this for a while now. Each time I find myself in the so called RTZ to look at the card there are reality fluctuations and I am never sure if it is a lucid dream or OBE. Regardless, I am able to guess correctly. My instincts tell me that there is dimensional overlap and possibly that I am not actually reading the card but accessing the information psychically. For instance, there were other cards and objects there that were not really there. (Possibly fingerprints from another time?) I did not know which card to look at and then I noticed there was a box. Inside this box was only one card so I figured that this must be it. It was as if I just knew how to sift through the other stuff. Before reading the card, you must consciously blank your mind from any expectations and glace at it quickly or it will start to change according to what you expect to see. Also, there can be metaphors that your unconscious sets up. Another time there was no card at all but there was a note that said, " Happy birthday Giza". BTW, Giza is the name of my dog. I did not understand this at first but upon checking the card, it made sense that it was a 5 and my dog is 5 years old. My next experiment is to materialize the card in a lucid dream from wherever I am rather than trying to go  to the card location. If this works that would mean that I am accessing the info from some sort of universal conscienceness.

[experimental]

yeah  i like that idea, very intersting ,  make the object materialize instead of searching for it at the location . That would be great if you could make that happen , but you d still have to verify the results with the physical counterpart to see wether or not it was the true perception you were locking on to .

And that point about " other things or objects part of a different time lingering in the imediate atmosphire of the dimension your percieving is a nice possibility to , maybe thats a logical idea, because if everything is reflected into the real time zones from the physical, then even objects that have  died out in physical time may still have left their essence in that identical space .


I m still struggling to make a lucid expereince consistant delibritly , but when i do become aware ( generly when i start levatateing in a dream ) , i m experimenting still with checking out the level of reality to the enviroment i m percieving  


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[Tombo]

@Magamba "For instance, there were other cards and objects there that were not really there. (Possibly fingerprints from another time?) I did not know which card to look at and then I noticed there was a box. Inside this box was only one card so I figured that this must be it. It was as if I just knew how to sift through the other stuff"

Very Interesting !So you guessed the right card then? Do you usually get it right or not?

@catmeow

I experience the same, words and numbers always mutate inside my lucid dreams (which is very wired, since the mind knows they shouldn't, if it is a subjectiv reality why does the mind not create it like it thinks it should be?)
I really wonder if Numbers and Writings are supposed to be stable inside OBE's has anybody verified this?
I once did a experiment with an other Projector from Brazil, I tried to guess the name of his mother. I decided to look at a wall inside the dream while aiming for the name I first saw the name "Berta" I think which latter turned out to be the name of his oldest sister which was about 45 years old. Then the word changed into Belta, Beate, Belte etc

Anyways one other lucid dreamer told me that he learned to read correctly inside dreams and sometimes reads books there!

confusing stuff!
Cheers Tom

[clandestino]

great point, experimental.... does a failed card experiment simply mean you were experiencing a lucid dream ?!!

I'd like to throw in one more point.....does the fact that you correctly identified a card, prove that you actually physically left your body ?! hmmmm.....

kind regards,
Mark