Not like me to share a dream but what the heck...

[Tombo]

Why not... Because humans are stronger than animals...

Stronger in what way?

"Poor friend!"
How is he poor?

he's tring to emulate you. i imagine it to be pretty though tring to be like a super human  seems likely the best he can be is a poor imitation.

"I can't believe that, sorry!"
Why the hell did you ask then?

I was asking cause i thought you might have some tangible exercise or so I could try.

"sleep deprivation is a well know instrument of torture, that is not based on believe but on effect. "
Oh... I see...Thanks, I allways wonderd why my life was so great... because im being tortured...

You missed my point : You are not a normal human, maybe you don't need sleep but a normal human needs sleep.

Hell, what are you doing with all your freetime anyway? Do you never get tired? How much did you sleep as a child?

If I ever go to new zealand i come and visit you! You can break my leg and then fix it

Tom

BTW: do you eat  

[AstralBorn]

"I was asking cause i thought you might have some tangible exercise or so I could try."
It doesnt matter what you try, if you dont believe you can do it you wont be able to...

"Hell, what are you doing with all your freetime anyway? Do you never get tired? How much did you sleep as a child?"
In my freetime I make computer programs, I work on improving my abilitys, I look at the past and the future, I walk around the astral universe, I play my playstation, I write books, songs, poems... I read... watch tv, dvd's... Listen to music, Play chess, Teach my cat, play with my daughter, play guitar, talk to my friends, etc...etc...
No, I never get tired... Well, that is... I never FEEL tierd...
Up untill I turned 5 I sleept the same amount of time any normal child would sleep...

"If I ever go to new zealand i come and visit you! You can break my leg and then fix it"
Youll have to find me first...

"BTW: do you eat "
...Of corse I eat...

[Selski]

Hi AstralBorn

play with my daughter

According to a previous post of yours, you were 5 years old in 1995.  That makes you 15 years old.   Play with your daughter...??

...Of corse I eat...

Why the "of course", when you've told us you don't sleep?

Why do you eat?

Sarah

[AndrewTheSinger]

Once I've spoken to a person who said he had very little sleep, although he only considered sleep when he went to bed, he would spend 9 hours in 'deep meditation' while sitting in his living room.

[Sepultura123]

You believe all that this guy say ?  

[CFTraveler]

Mister Jingo wrote:

"Fatal familial insomnia"

It is a condition where the parts of the brain which control sleep are affected (ie the patient cannot get sleep) and death results within months.
AFAIK humans suffering severe sleep deprivation will undergo "micro sleeps" that is they experience REM while being awake and so would generally be delirious.

Like believing they don't sleep?

[AstralBorn]

"According to a previous post of yours, you were 5 years old in 1995. That makes you 15 years old. Play with your daughter...??"
I actuly said 1994... I am 16... 17 next month...
She was born when I was 13... (And dont go saying its impossable...)

"Why do you eat?"
Why do YOU eat?

"You believe all that this guy say ?"
"Like believing they don't sleep? "
If you dont have anything nice to say DONT SAY ANYTHING!

-AstralBorn

[Selski]

Why do YOU eat?

I didn't think I'd have to spell it out why I was asking the question, however...

You see the majority of us believe that we need to sleep to stay alive.  We'd simply die if we didn't sleep.

Likewise, we also believe we need to eat for the same reason.

Therefore, I was curious as to why you eat, when you obviously don't need to sleep to stay alive.

Why do you eat?

If you dont have anything nice to say DONT SAY ANYTHING!

We're not all fluffy bunnies and huggy huggies here you know.  People have every right to doubt what you say.  You must appreciate that we weren't born yesterday and your claims are somewhat "incredible".

I personally don't believe a word you say, but I've not barged in at the beginning and stuck my oar in.  I read your posts and listened to what you had to say.  Gave you a fair chance to explain yourself.  

However, you don't seem willing to explain yourself.  You're always on the defensive.

Do you really expect us to believe you - to swallow it without questioning?  Seriously?  Do you really think we're that gullible?



Sarah

PS  There's no need to shout.

[AstralBorn]

""and your claims are somewhat "incredible". ""
No, No there not... Theres nothing incredible about it... It's just that everyone is so damn Ignorant and believe it's not possable simply because a bunch of scientists, doctors say it isnt...

When I wrote "Why do YOU eat?" I was asking you why you eat...
Because I eat for the same reason everyone else does...

[carlhungis]

Just like we sleep for the same reason everyone else does.

The fact that Dr's say that it can't be done, and the fact that NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD CAN DO IT are probably the main reasons that no one believes you.  The world record is 11 days for a reason.

You seem to be pretty eager to pat yourself on the back and brag about your special abilities.  Why don't you go out and beat the world record?  1 extra day on the world record wouldn't call any attention to yourself, you would just be a name in a book.  But if we all see it go from 11-12 days, we would know that you are for real.

But as it stands now, you are just on here seeking attention for yourself.  Looks like it worked, congratulations.  

:sad3:

[AstralBorn]

"and the fact that NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD CAN DO IT "
Thousands of people can do it...
Like I said in my last post... Ignorant...

"The world record is 11 days for a reason."
Yea.. the reason is that no normal person can beat it, and no abnormal person cares about beating it...

"Why don't you go out and beat the world record? 1 extra day on the world record wouldn't call any attention to yourself, you would just be a name in a book. But if we all see it go from 11-12 days, we would know that you are for real"
I am going to go and beat it one day...
But as it is now I dont care about it... I dont care about beating a record... I dont need to prove myself to anyone...

"But as it stands now, you are just on here seeking attention for yourself. Looks like it worked, congratulations. "

I can get attention for myself by taking over the world...
I dont need to get attention from a bunch of ignorant strangers on a website...
I will argue about it... I will insist Im telling the truth...
But when it truly comes down to it I DONT CARE what you or anyone else thinks...
I am not just trying to get attention for myself...
And like I said before dont say anything it you have nothing nice to say...

It's one thing saying you dont believe somthing but acusing someone of lying without knowing for sure is wrong...

[Tombo]

It doesnt matter what you try, if you dont believe you can do it you wont be able to...

You could change my believe.......

I look at the past and the future,

Do you care to share?

I walk around the astral universe,

How much time per week do you spend in the astral?

Play chess

me too, just I never found a partner to play My friends all think it's boring. we could make a game sometime.

No, I never get tired... Well, that is... I never FEEL tierd...
Up untill I turned 5 I sleept the same amount of time any normal child would sleep...

Then it suddenly changed? how did that happen? any clue why it changed?

Youll have to find me first...

I would only come if you invite me...........

...Of corse I eat...

i don't find this question so silly either. there are people claiming that they don't need food and only live from light. I don't find this reports any more strange then somebody not needing sleep. i mean it is evident that a normal organism needs sleep, if it wouldn't we wouldn't sleep.i don't think nature is so stupid and lets organism sleep if it's not needed. But i see the possibility that the mind can master matter so to speak and make the Body independent from food as well as sleep.

[Tombo]

""and your claims are somewhat "incredible". ""
No, No there not... Theres nothing incredible about it... It's just that everyone is so damn Ignorant and believe it's not possable simply because a bunch of scientists, doctors say it isnt...

No that is not the reason, the reason simply is that we get very tired when we don't sleep. Lot of people try to go without sleep and they can't do it.

people that sleep not enough suffer from certain health problems like increased blood pressure etc. I think that is pretty much prooven.

I'm not saying that it is impossbile but i say for the normal organism it is not possible. And you seem to argue agianst that with only your claim:

"I can do it so it's possbile" kind of argument. i mean if that is all you have to say then the discussion is over I guess......

[AstralBorn]

"Do you care to share?"
Share what exactly?

"How much time per week do you spend in the astral?"
Im not going to answer that because it will just lead to more people calling me a liar...

"Then it suddenly changed? how did that happen? any clue why it changed?"
It changed because I wanted it to change...

"i don't think nature is so stupid and lets organism sleep if it's not needed"
People are born with and live with there whole life insomnia...
You think nature is being so stupid when it makes such people?
No... it is trying to do away with sleep...
It is humans, and animals alike that keeps sleep going... because they all just consider it normal, natrural and like to dream...

"people that sleep not enough suffer from certain health problems like increased blood pressure etc. I think that is pretty much prooven. "
They suffer from increased blood pressure because they dont take the time to relax while they are staying awake...

[Tombo]

Share what exactly?

The future you saw

"How much time per week do you spend in the astral?"
Im not going to answer that because it will just lead to more people calling me a liar...

They allready call you aliar so what does it matter  No seriously please answer because I have a theorie.

People are born with and live with there whole life insomnia
You think nature is being so stupid when it makes such people?

It is an illness, do you want to debate why there is sickness in the world?

[AndrewTheSinger]

I don't mind if he is saying the truth or not sine it's not affecting my life in any way, but I admit that it would have been more interesting to me if he said that he could sleep a whole day away, or a whole week.

[AstralBorn]

"The future you saw"
Ok, I dont talk about the future... because talking about it changes it.. and changing it is wrong... Ill talk about seeing the future... but not about the future...

"No seriously please answer because I have a theorie. "
And whats the theorie?

"It is an illness, do you want to debate why there is sickness in the world? "
Its not an illness... people only call it such because they consider sleep normal, and think we need sleep...
It's not an illness...

" but I admit that it would have been more interesting to me if he said that he could sleep a whole day away, or a whole week."
Anyone can do that... Why the heck would you find that interesting?

[MisterJingo]

"No seriously please answer because I have a theorie. "
And whats the theorie?

I'm guessing that the theory regards the general state of the mind/body during an AP experience has all the haulmarks of a body in a sleep state ie when you are projecting, your body is actually sleeping - and so you do sleep. Sort of like how deep meditation can take the place of a good nights sleep.

[Covelo]

I have found that by using a simple deep breathing technique that I too can go much longer without needing sleep as well as not needing as much to eat.  So, I can see how one might be able to get to a stage of not needing sleep.

There are also some substances you could take or eat that may allow you to go longer without sleep.  I'm not sure exactly what these are but I see things advertised at truck stops and such that are used for this purpose.

Good Energy...

Covelo

PS--I also am of the mind that anything is possible, so this doesn't really surprise me that someone may have figured this one out.

[Tombo]

"No seriously please answer because I have a theorie. "
And whats the theorie?

I'm guessing that the theory regards the general state of the mind/body during an AP experience has all the haulmarks of a body in a sleep state ie when you are projecting, your body is actually sleeping - and so you do sleep. Sort of like how deep meditation can take the place of a good nights sleep.

Exactly. When you say you AP, lets say 30 hours per week. I would count that as sleep. Your body is technically at sleep. I mean I know that there are monks or other people that are able to maintain their consciousness while falling asleep. This is a part of dream yoga. Through a variety of exercises one can learn to maintain consciousness without break from falling asleep till waking up. So in way their consciousness never sleeps. But their body does. It seems to me that your are doing the exact same thing.

So if that's the case your claims become much more easy to believe.

[AstralBorn]

"30 hours per week"
Try 168 hours per week... Im both here and there... Bilocation.
And here we go again... Now where going to start talking about that... And more of "liar" "I don't believe you"...

My Physical body is more than awake while im in the Astral Universe...
So it has nothing to do with it...

However, For about 1 1/2 hours a day everyday while im visiting my friends I have to put more awareness in my AstralBody... And my physical body allthough still awake goes into a deep state... but im sure not deep enough to make up for any sleep...

-AstralBorn

[Tombo]

"30 hours per week"
Try 168 hours per week... Im both here and there... Bilocation.
And here we go again... Now where going to start talking about that... And more of "liar" "I don't believe you"...

My Physical body is more than awake while im in the Astral Universe...
So it has nothing to do with it...

However, For about 1 1/2 hours a day everyday while im visiting my friends I have to put more awareness in my AstralBody... And my physical body allthough still awake goes into a deep state... but im sure not deep enough to make up for any sleep...

-AstralBorn

I guess now we have some more things to talk about. How does it feel to be at two places at once? I imgaine that to be kind of difficult. I mean i can't really focus on two things at the same time. I mean, I can't focus conversation while focusing on a melody for example. how can you do that :confused:

Also, you should be able to teach us a lot about the nature of the astral.......

[AstralBorn]

"How does it feel to be at two places at once"
For me it just feels natural... I havent expereanced being in only 1 body so I dont have anything to compare the feeling to...

"Also, you should be able to teach us a lot about the nature of the astral....... "
I can teach you every little thing about the Astral Universe...
However you have all convinced me of how closedminded you all are, so whats the point?
It's allready clear that no one believes a word I say... so why would you want me to teach you anything?

[MisterJingo]

I can teach you every little thing about the Astral Universe...
However you have all convinced me of how closedminded you all are, so whats the point?
It's allready clear that no one believes a word I say... so why would you want me to teach you anything?

So rather than questioning the validity of statements, you would rather everyone be sheep, believing everything they are ever told with no attempt to discover the validity of such knowledge?
I see questioning as being a lot more open minded than a person who believes everything they are ever told (thats gullibility).

People might be sceptical of what you say, as whatever we might personally believe, it goes against every single piece of empirical data on the subject of sleep. And more, you point blanc are unwilling to validate anything you say under scientific conditions.
Even though I'm sceptical, i'm openminded enough to consider what you say.

[Tombo]

"How does it feel to be at two places at once"
For me it just feels natural... I havent expereanced being in only 1 body so I dont have anything to compare the feeling to...

"Also, you should be able to teach us a lot about the nature of the astral....... "
I can teach you every little thing about the Astral Universe...
However you have all convinced me of how closedminded you all are, so whats the point?
It's allready clear that no one believes a word I say... so why would you want me to teach you anything?

We have all convinced you? I don't think that is a nice comment to make you should not lump us all together.  I already stressed that I don't consider you to be liar.

I want you to teach because of many reasons. Of which an important one is that we can maybe apply what you say and have our own experiences with it. We don't need to judge whether or not you are right but rather we can see for ourselfs.

For example you could explain why I can't see real objects like for example a playing card correctly when I'm out of body. And how i can fix that problem.

Tom