Lost in De'Lusion?

[Tenacious]

I think that your anger has over come your point.  

This one-liner brought to you in part by:

-Tenacious[]

[Clow]

Chill out. Also don't judge people ny their age or I will fly and find you and Kamehameha your butt. Not alot of people here act like a bunch of posers. Most can acctually do crap like this you just have to practice a lot. Not saying that people fly around blowing up mountains(that would prove as a problem). Maybe you should study the different energies instead of just qi. Right now I bet you think that through practice of pyrokinesis that we think we can light forest fires. There is a saying that we know half of what is out there and half of it we don't know. Take some time before jumping around accusing people of watching to much dbz or whatever show you are refering to with "I CAN FLY". You know I find this post very insulting. I'm 13 and I have to tell you to chill out I think thats pretty damn bad.

[kakkarot]

[|)]

feel better now that it's out of your system? []

~kakkarot

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
    i dont mean to dismiss what anyone has to offer simply because they are young.  but clow, please!  you have the arrogance to say that you have been practicing "ki" for 5yrs!  ha! you started when you were 8! [:O] have i got my math correct?  and after those 5 long years of dedicated training [], you have decided that the best way to further your progress as a budding "master of all things ki"; it is nigh time you took up some students.  BS-you know what, what you did was dis kato, which he may very well deserved in total, and then took your position as the new alpha male of ki.  please.  as far as it goes, i have studied.  i have had 2 of your lives to spend time studying and practicing.  do you bother to study?  why dont you try reading the articles i posted on the true nature of ki and jing.  have you ever heard of a man named Dr.Yang, Jwing-Ming?  he is one of the world's foremost authorities on Tai-Chi Chuan, Qi Gong, the philosophies, theories(traditional chinese and modern western science)of what qi and jin are and how they work.  do you know the difference between buddhist and taoist breathing?  here is a good question for you clow, if the aforementioned good Dr. has been practicing consistently for nearly 40yrs, and he is very adept at manipulating qi and using jin, and yet he makes no claims that qi or jin are energies that can be used in the ways which are held to be common in rad ki circles?  you know, ki blasts and the infamous smell-my-noxious-gas-blast!!!  [:O]

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
    kakkarot, is this a common psychological process...[]  where do the people go who have gone through this process...do you, kakkarot, practice....intelligent conversation....needed...gasping...ahhh...[xx(]

[Anonymous]

Hey, calm down.  A gnarled tree never bears fruit, shadowdancer.

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
    my last post meant to be humerous...but i do understand.  Clow, if you read this i do apologize for being so harsh.  your patience and understanding for others bespeaks wisdom beyond your years.  Namaste

[cainam_nazier]

I picked up Psi practice about a year ago.  A little after comming to this forum.  To date I have had no verifiable or reproducable results.  At times I feel some thing is there, however the feeling itself has not produced any visible effects that I am aware of.

I have been trying telekinesis with obly a few wabbles here and there.  Nothing I can certify to my exertions.  Possibly just air movements due to moving or breathing.  But like I said I get the feeling that process is starting to work.

I have also been working on shields and such.  But again no verifiable proof.  I have no ability to see any shield constructs and I have not had anyone say or do anything odd when I mess around in public.

Also since I have not been witness to anyone doing anything like this the jury is still out on the posibilities.

[rodentmouse]

shadow,   you seem more interested in making people aware that  your more into  chi/energy  than  these "posers",  than  you are in genuinly wanting  to  inform  people  on the more deeper areas in  all things  energy-related.

by acting like that, it doesnt really  say  much  about  the  quality of  how  TRUE  energy students conduct themselves,  or  how  they respond  to ignorance.

yelling, cursing  and insulting people  who obviously need  to learn more about  energy isnt the  best way to go about educating them.

it seems you  envy  the attention  that  the  dragonball-z  people are getting,  as  if  you want everyone  to know "im  into energy aswell,  but i know more than  they do"

im sorry,  but i find  nothing  really  constructive in  your  post..

[Squeek]

LoL... []

Kids these days...  You all are a gem for comic artists like myself.  You have no idea how funny it is to watch you fight over the most trivial of stuff [|)]  And it's the same fight every time!  "I think you're all a bunch of crap" "Oh yea? Too darn bad!" "Well you're stupid, and now I hate you."  "Well I'll see to that one later []"

("Perfect" 13-year old spelling unused; Thought it would annoy y'all)

Squeek

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
    no rodentmouse, there is not much constructivity in my original post; but there really wasn't meant to be.  it was designed to be relatively offensive and provoking.  in addition, i never claimed to be more aware of energy work than anyone else.  i responded to clow's recommendation that i study the different energies "instead of just qi".  in fact, in the majority of my response to clow, i have referred to, as i will again, one of the true "masters" of internal martial arts, Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming.  and YES!, the purpose of my post was to get some damn attention!!  absolutely!!  in the hopes that those people who really understand qi, prana, etc. and are praticioners of yoga, internal martial arts, and yes, even radical ki techniques...but, and here is the kicker which no-one seems to get...with deliberate and rational experiementation!  there have been a couple people that have come out of the proverbial woodwork to share briefly their experiences of rad-ki and psi techs...and their experiences seem to be *relatively* fruitless.  not much has ever happened, haven't really felt much, are phrases that i have heard.  you see, it is in fact my passion FOR the deeper and more powerfully manifested aspects of chi, prana, psi or whatever, AS A LIVING REALITY, that gives me incentive to write as i do.  SOOO!!!  i propose that those of us who really have a passion for body arts and energy body developement, take a driver's seat position in making this a place where people can make some actual progress!  this is what the forum is for, right?  it's a rhetorical question....[|)]

[kakkarot]

quote:Originally posted by shadowdancer

do you, kakkarot, practice....intelligent conversation....needed...gasping...ahhh...[xx(]

do i practice intelligent conversation? well, that depends on what you decide. i can say yes and be a liar, i can say no and be a liar. so what i'm trying to say is: i'm just a big fat liar []. (no i don't do qi gong. i do use chi though[|)])

quote:kakkarot, is this a common psychological process...

yes? [|)]

quote:where do the people go who have gone through this process...

well, i can't tell you that. but if the guys in the white suits come looking for you, don't resist them [].

~kakkarot

[Nayru]

First off, good post, Shadowdancer. I am pleased to see that there are a few people here who do know about what they're talking. I am not able to discuss anything with you, for my knowledge is not as bright as yours.

Clow, go back to your kamehamehatraining.

Squeek, agreed. []

cainam_nazier, you sound like you don't really believe you are able to build constructs, do Telekinesis, etc. If you don't believe, you can't do it. Simple as that. Shields usually don't directly affect your surroundings. Shields are usually used for protections, like blocking out emotions, thoughts, vampire-attacks, or attacks in general. If you want to see any of your constructs, practice Flaring. An article on that can be found at www.psipog.net. If you want your shield to have a noticeable effect, try practising Bubble Shields. For articles on that, see www.psipog.net. Also, you could try in class or something, to create a construct next to you that broadcasts 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaah! A horrible, evillooking kamikazeguy!' or 'eviiiiiiiiil alieeeeeeeeen!'. Make sure to attach some kind of a horrible picture of a kamikazeguy or alien, and of course, attach emotions to it, like fear. You will need some Telepathic experiences for such constructs. If done succesfully, there's no living being going to sit next to you. [] Take your time for contructbuilding. Make sure to shell or seal your constructs too, or else they will disappear in no-time.
Telekinesis takes a VERY long time before having some good results, unless you're a telekinetic, which you're obviously not. One year of Telekinesis is by far not enough to get some decent results. And even if you get some results, it takes a lot of time before you will be able to fully control it.

[goku22]

Hi everyone, haven't been here for a while so forgive any errors based on misinformation. I'd just like to say my thoughts on the matter. I think shadowdancer has every right to post an angry frustrated message, it's his (or her, haven't checked your profile) right to do so. If it offends anyone, simply ignore it. One can argue with what another puts up as fact but you can never argue with what someone feels, you can try to persuade them to another way of feeling, but they feel the way they feel and no one can argue with that fact. I don't that I'm saying what I mean very clearly, oh well. That said, I feel that a 26 year old should have better things to do then bust on 13 year olds on a metaphysical internet forum, even if they do annoy him. Also, I feel that things like energy blasts are kind of silly and are an unnecesary goal. The things that shadowdancer was talking about (life-long, REAL usage of energy) are much more appealing to me. But to go to the other side of the coin, perhaps energy blasts fire the imaginations of young minds and will eventually lead to higher paths, I know it did for me, not to say that I'm an elderly grandmaster of chi or anything, I'm a 22 year old massage therapy student with a penchant for ranting and an interst in living a life geared towards finding the mystery behind life and moving forward in tune with it. Whatever, take what you want from this message (which might be nothing at all;) and ive your life the best you can, I'm at the library and my hour is almost up. Thanks for your time. Ben

[Nagual]

I agree.  Just ignore threads that you don't like...  If some kids/adults want to be a DBZ, what's so bad about it?  When I was a kid, I dreamed to be a super-hero too!

But I guess I am used to it.  I played the game Diablo on battle.net in the past and it was full of immature and aggressive kids with super-powers...  Scary!!! []  and sad... [V]

Just want to add that some kids are mature too... and, regarding Dr.Yang, Jwing-Ming, being famous does not make one the most talented.  I'm not saying he is not, I am saying that the fact that he is famous does not make him talented.  While I like his shina book; I don't like his TaiChi.  I prefer my unknown teacher's TaiChi teachings...

[Fat_Turkey]

Look, shadow...you obviously have the same kind of aggression for these ki morons as I do. But do not dismiss them to be all 13 year old dragonball Z fans, okay? Every body, every circumstance, and every situation is different.

On top of that, psipog is NOT a joke. I have performed telekinesis before and I KNOW the feeling when I move the pinwheel. But I do wholly agree with you that the egotistical morons who run websites such as http://kiwarrior40000.tripod.com/ should shut their retarded hormone-crammed mouths and get on to some real studies.

But, do not dismiss psychokinesis just because you cannot accomplish it. Anything if not everything has the potential to be possible, it's just that this world certainly has enough rules to break. We are here on the Astral Pulse for that reason - breaking, no, at least BENDING the rules - you see, we do not know enough or have the ability to break the rules, if that be possible. What do you think astral projection is? It is a reflex designed to occur when we fall asleep, so that we can obtain spiritual wisdom from the other worlds without our physical side necessarily knowing it. But you see, the trick is to induce it while being awake [].

I did not even know you wrote those articles, and I guess I'm foolish enough to overlook the articles section of the website. As do many others, I believe.

I think that you weren't trying to say "everything ki is bullcrap, everything psi is bullcrap, DAMN you're all a bunch of egotistical morons with too many hormones!!" but rather "role-players tinkle off," which has been a tried and failed attempt for a long time I tell you.

But you see, one day either these kids will grow out of it and drop energy altogether, or they'll be like me. Yes, I was a ki kid too, when I was 13 too, but I wasn't so bad to believe in the ki blast I assure you[|)]. In fact, that's where my skepticism began. Soon enough, I found the entire thing to be watered down drivel from what was obviously originated from a very good discovery. Hah! You like that ki morons! You're ruined a discovery!!!

*ahem* anyways...the fact is that I changed, as will they. Everybody does. They'll either drop it or start researching and get on to some serious work.

Peace
~FT

P.S. why the hell would pyrogenesis be impossible? Ever heard of Nei Kung? djeez, bunch of research you did...
Just joking. Just because you know some, doesn't mean you know all.

[shadowdancer]

Namaste Everybody!,
       I want to say that you all for you replies!!  With that said, I feel I should reiterate that it was to get attention and replies that was the intent of using the shock value of an attack upon someones beliefs (delusional or no).  And with that said, I absolutely do not judge anyone for their beliefs, even if mine are in seeming opposition, and further, even if I see that persons beliefs as delusional, it certainly does not make them a bad person or wrong in any way.  It simply makes it so that it is my opinion. []  Hmmm...picking on 13 year olds...don't want to start more of an arguement, but there have been a couple different views of this; "don't pick on kids" and "don't dismiss them as having something to offer".  Well, on one level, I am absolutely treating everyone as an equal and if what I perceive them to be offering as a juvenile(sp?) and delusional and terribly corrupted view of reality...and at the same time(and this is key, because it does show that I do not dismiss DBZers in particular); at the same time they carry within themselves such a power of intent, so strong of an imagination!!  imagination is one of the major keys to occult power!!  IMHO it is very important to stop poisonous growths before they continue...I still work with them.  Meaning, I still work with the residual effects of being fed tons of media about individuals having and USING IN BATTLE tremedous amounts of personal occult/supernatural power.  I am about to ramble about the razor's edge path between imagination and manifesting reality and the need to acknowledge the relative limitations of mass consciousness nominal reality.  I totally invite anyone to join in the energy body developement forum, but there is a specific forum for DBZ/KI ball type stuff.  (looks silly defending the energy body developement forum) so if someone posts here about ki balls and psi, without being willing to be open to criticism and being willing to engage in a rational debate, i will flame them.  life goes on. []  psipog...i do not resonate with it at this time.  i will give it a more thorough look though.  Dr.Yang, very kool guy, not so much in how "good" he is or isn't in his personal practice, but for the purposes here at the forum, he is a great resource because he is putting lots of conscious energy into building bridges between eastern energy theories and western science.  and this is really a fulcrum of my views on qi etc, i believe we CAN DO CRAZY SHITE with KI, JING or whatever!!!  BUT IN ORDER TO CHANGE MASS CONSCIOUSNESS AND THEREFORE NOMINAL REALITY, SCIENCE AND THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD ARE, IMHO, nearly ESSENTIAL for this process!!!  so for this forum area, i feel the focus should be first, "OK WHERE ARE WE AS HUMANS WITH ALL THIS STUFF", questions like, "What is the energy body, exactly?", "What is qi, prana, etc?"...to first provide a basis for experimental thought.  let the energy forum be for those who are not interested in the application of the scientific method to the process of remembering these psychic/emotional techs most all of us intuit or do know to be real.  i think im gonna wrap this up.....p.s., i don't think that i have ever done TK, although some things i have experienced is Mass Telepathy, the creation and disingtegration of material objects and people!!  so why would i dismiss pyrokinesis??  the excitation of the vibratory rate of molecules within a specific object to the point of combustion!!  good theory so far!  nei kung??  yeah, so??  its meditation.  what does it have to do with pyrogenisis?  did you mean kinesis not genisis?  i think that tummo would be much closer to anything pyro...could you clarify this for me, i dont think i understand.  the more i come to understand, the less i know.  much love, shadowdancer

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
   for posterity!

did i get anyone's attention??  is there anyone that frequents this section of ap forums that is really a qi gong practicioner...who is not an idiot?  btw, gi gong means energy work.  not "way of power" or some other crap.  and all this lousy delusional BS about cryo, pyro, gyro....what a load.  the only thing i have seen that has been exercised to any great extant is the art of A-Hole-kinesis...the art of being an moron without really meaning to...i am so ticked off....i have come about the knowledge of siddhis...yes siddhis!!!! you damn idiots!!!  that is really wtf you are talking about!!!  manifestations of siddhis within very specific parameters!!!!  ARRRRGH!  is there anyone out there that is willing to share in an educated and thoughtful and rational manner their experiences and theories without doing this whole juvenile crap.  psipog is kindof a joke...how many of you actually do tk??  please, i do believe its possible, but its like, you see cartoons do it and then you jump up in your 13yr old body and your 13yr old ego shouts to the world "I CAN FLY"!!!  please someone just answer this...i am very annoyed and disappointed with the quality of the vast majority of peoples intelligence who claim to practice "ki" or psi or whatever...what a waste...