TO Mr Bruce: about Kundalini

[Hans Solo]

Great thread:

 I have had a Kundalini experience, and I can already hear the outcry as why it happened.  This spontaneous experience was due to my dabbling with marijuana.  It happed probably 3 or 4 times over a couple of months.  Here is what mine felt like.

 It felt like a electrical energy RACING up my spine.  This was no "I think I feel something" sensation, but made me cringe with excitement. (at the time I did not dabble with anything mystical and had no idea what Kundalini was).  My girlfriend thought I might be going through some sort of seizure.  However, I just layed there laughing repeating over and over "god is massaging my brain!" It felt like the top of my head was surgically cut off and my brain was exposed. Then another electrical surge would go up my spine. Etc.

It happened a couple of other times in my life after smoking pot, which I don't do anymore.  (BTW, It was alway Sativa strain that made me do it).  However, I don't know if it has anything to do with these experiences, but shortly after I would always wake up in the morning and I would be covered in sweat.  Also, I could never cuddle after sex because the moment I embraced my GF my body temp would rise extremely fast and I would start to sweat.  

I know that spontaneous marijuana kundalini experiences are "dangerous", but at least now I know what to look for.  I find that with the New Agey type people that they interpret the most subtle experience as something mystical.  

For instance, they lay on their arm and their arm falls asleep.  While moving it around it starts to tingle, and then they say "Man, kundalini is going crazy in my arm".   (just having a little fun)  All I am saying is that is about as subtle has Mark McGuire hitting you in the head with a baseball bat.

[taoita]

Wow!  That must have been really frightening for you, I was emphathising with your gf, I bet she wished you didn't smoke so much grass and mess about with deep breathing.  So, why on earth were you trying to trip out?  

I have checked out some sites about Kundalini because it seemed to have become a taboo interest in my knowledge field.  Urghhh!  It is a tacky spooky scene the web photos have etched a horrifying memory that i hope I can humour away.  In fact there are 'lists' of people who have experienced the phenomenon and can offer 'help' to those who are bearing the side effects.  WHAT?  Lisssstsssss - YUCK!  Can someone tell me the benefits to humanity?  

Perhaps there are people who have read good texts on Kundalini practices, and can recommend them as the whole experience seems to smack of personal injury, strain and arrogance.  Sorry folks for sweeping generalisations.

[Toolubus]

It felt like a electrical energy RACING up my spine. This was no "I think I feel something" sensation, but made me cringe with excitement.

I've had exactly that experience but the difference was, i was seeking kundalini and was not under the influence of marijuana at the time.  I don't understand why people have said this is dangerous.  The only danger may be what I did and I cut it short only letting it reach my 3rd chakra.  Since that time I have done much more balancing work and am leaving kundalini revival for further down the road.

[Hans Solo]

I put dangerous in quotes because I don't think it can be dangerous, but that seems to be the prevailing wisdom (which I think is garbage).

Wow! That must have been really frightening for you, I was empathizing with your gf, I bet she wished you didn't smoke so much grass and mess about with deep breathing.

Frightening?  I thought it was some killer weed!  No, it felt awesome.  Who said anything about deep breathing?

Han

[alpine9]

does anybody have there K fully developed yet?

Don't be shy

[Chrissuli]

Hello,

I would echo the other readers comments on this subject. The info provided is very useful.

In my case I have been practicing  raising energy and developing my energy system extensively for sometime now with mixed success. Although I suspect I have had a full kundalini raising on a couple of occasions, I am still not one hundred percent sure, because my memories of the experience do not correlate so exactly to those described in this email thread.

Sometimes the experiences seem somewhat overwhelming and leave me a little reticent to try and replicate them too often. I would greatly appreciate a little advice on one of them.

My more recent was the following:
I was at work at a local hotel, and quite board with little to do. I started practicing energy training and trying to store energy in my abdomen using an adaptation of other techniques I had formulated, which I had called the 'Big Bang'.

I was not particularly relaxed, perhaps in a very light trance state, but generated a great deal of heat (quite searing) unusually quickly in the abdomen. I decided to see if I could circulate it directly. I succeeded in moving it down, around and up the spine to a point just below the shoulder blades. It was quite uncomfortable though not painful as such, as it did indeed feel like a hot fist moving up my spine.  Given that I was not in a peaceful and isolated environment, and one in which I might be called into action at any time, I decided to take the energy back down again and err on the side of caution.

I have been willing to experiment and take risks in order to learn in the past, but this experience was a little different and left me more uncertain about the soundness and safety of the practice.

Assuming that next time I will only practice this under more controlled and meditative circumstances, I was hoping someone might be able to advise me on the safety and advisability of this kind of chi practice. Should I continue trying to complete the full small universe circuit over the head and back down again? If I do manage to raise this energy to the crown or lead it elsewhere, what can I expect in terms of effects and consequences?

Kind regards,
Chris

[karnautrahl]

This tinglefire rushing spine sensation thats a bit squirmy and can be more "squirmy" the more you do it, is kind of routine for me-with a little effort. I did start when I was maybe 7 or so-didn't know kundalini then. Just sparks and fun, tingles and magic in my body...up my legs and in my spine to my head. Great fun. Normal for me now if I feel like playing. What else can I do with it?

[appollo]

there seems to be some confusion as to how the kundalini works.

first of all the chakras and kundalini work together but are not the same thing.

the most important thing to remember here is that raising the kundalini is not dangerous, why? simply because it can "not" be acomplished by wishful thinking or mecahnical technique.

The raising is based on a total change in psychology and this is where the real work begins.

This is the basic outline.

sensual desire creates a psychology "ego" that is 100% subjective.

that means that a person's understanding of what's real has absolutley no significance beyond the worlds of time and space.

Note also that this is a point which confuses people when they astral travel, they don't understand much of what they see or feel, simply because they have not been trained and educated to what it is.

The only way to raise the kundalini is through revolutionary psychology and it involves the non release of the vital fluid.

Please do not try and retain the vital fluid if you have not studied revolutionary psychology first "it can not be done by force" doing so will result in long lasting injury.

The vital fluid is the philosopher's stone.

the vital fluid is the lead that must be turned into gold (consciousness).

man is a rational animal has not awakened cosnciousness.

how do we awaken cosnciousness.

By slowly working and organizing our pshychology "the three brrains"

the sensual motor instinct, emotional and intelectual centers.

the ego is the antichrist.

what this means is that unconditional love is the the way to awakening consciousness.

by eliminating in ourselves the negative emotions "slowly but with determination" of jealousy, pride, envy, greed, lust and  especially anger and resentment, we awaken a % of corresponding consciousness.

the mind is bottled up.

we are shadows of our true self "the soul" the true self can not inhabit a "head" which is occupied by the ego "unorganized psychology"

to be born again is a sexual problem.

notwithstanding chakra exercises are good for better energy correspondence between the astral and phsyical bodies.

when people say they are having feelings of raising the kundalini what they are actually experiencing is simply the chakras being activated.

the only way to raise the kundalini is through sex.

and that my friends is at its core a psychological problem. 

The following is from Samael Aun Weor

Let us start our lecture that we could denominate 'Intuition'  First of all we must begin from the foundation; the Human Being. Where did we come from? Where are we going? What is the reason for our existence? What do we exist for? Why do we exist?

Behold, we have here a lot of questions that we must clarify and resolve. A child is born, and as a fact he receives a physical body in a gratuitous form, this is obvious. This physical body is marvelous. It has about 15,000 x a million neurons that are in the service of the child, and it cost him nothing.

The Sensual Mind

While the child is growing his Sensual Mind is being opened little by little. This sensual mind in itself and by itself gives the child information through external sensorial perceptions and it is precisely with the information granted through such perceptions that the sensual mind always elaborates the contents of it's concepts; because of this, our present mind can never know anything about reality. It's Reasoning processes are subjective, they move within a vicious circle, the circle of external sensorial perceptions, this is obvious.

Now you will comprehend by yourselves, maybe a little more clearly, what subjective reasoning is in itself, but a complete differentiation between subjective reasoning and objective reasoning must be done. It is obvious that the child has to go through all the educational processes; kindergarten, elementary, high school, and university. The subjective reasoning is nourished with all the data that these distinct scholastic institutions grant unto it. But truly no educational institute can give to a child, youth, or teenager existing data about that which is not of time, about that which is reality.

Truly, the speculations of subjective reasoning always arrive at Intellectualism, at the absurd field of utopism or, in the best cases, towards simple opinions of a subjective type, but never to the experience of the truth, never to experience that which is not from time.

On the other hand, objective reasoning, that disgracefully does not receive any instruction because there is no school that teaches it, remains abandoned.

Undoubtedly, objective reasoning processes obviously conduct us towards exact and perfect postulates. The child is always subjectively educated from place to place; for him no form of superior instruction exists.

All data, all scholastic matters, all family matters, etc. that the senses grant to the subjective mind of the teenager are merely empirical and subjective and this is pitiful.

Towards the beginning, the child has still not lost the capacity of astonishment. Obviously the child looks in wonder on any phenomena.  A beautiful toy awakens in him this astonishment, and with this toy the child plays. This capacity of wonder disappears as the child grows, as his sensual mind receives data from school and collage. Finally the instant in which the child becomes a youth arrives and the young boy has already completely lost this capacity of astonishment.
   
Unfortunately the data that one receives in collages, schools and educational centers only serve to nourish the sensual mind, and nothing else. In this way, actually with these educational systems, from schools, academies, and universities the only thing that we can really achieve there is to make for ourselves an artificial Personality. To give an account of this, in reality, truly, the knowledge that is studied in Humanities will never serve to form the Psychological Human Being.  In the name of truth we have to say clearly that the topics that are actually studied in educational institutes don't have any real relationship with the distinct parts of our Being. Therefore, these topics serve only to:

First:   Falsify the knowledge of the five cylinders of the organic machine.

Second:   To take the capacity of astonishment away from us.

Third:   To develop the sensual mind.

Fourth:   To form a false personality within us.

Therefore, it should be clearly understood that the sensual mind cannot produce any radical transformation in any way within ourselves.  It is very convenient to understand that the sensual mind can never take us from the autonomism and mechanicity, in which we find the people of all the world, even if they appear to be people of a very cultured mind.

Its one thing to be an animalistic human being, an Intellectual Animal, certainly it is quite another thing to be a true Psychological Man. Naturally, when I use the Word "Man" I also mean Woman. But this must be clearly understood.

The Psychological Man and Woman

We were born with a marvelous physical body, but really we truly need to make something more. To form a physical body is not difficult, because we inherit it, but to form is a Psychological Man is very difficult. We do not need to work upon ourselves in order to form a physical body, but it's very obvious that we need to work upon ourselves in order to form a Psychological Man.

As a Matter of fact, in order to create a Psychological Man, who is a true Man in the most complete sense of the word, we need to organize the psyche which is disorganized.

The Master Gurdjieff said that the organic machine doesn't have a Psychology. I have to strongly disagree with him on this matter. A psychology really exists within any organic machine that we mistakenly call Man. The fact is, that this machine is very disorganized, and this is different. If it is true that we want to create the true Man, who is the Psychological Man, then it is urgent, unpostponable, and undeferable that we organize this psychology within the intellectual animal. 
   
Let us then see the difference between the intellectual animal, mistakenly called Man, and the true and authentic Psychological Man. If we want to create such a Man within, then we need to work upon ourselves. Nonetheless, there is a struggle within us because the sensual mind is the clear enemy of the superior mind.
   
The sensual mind is identified with any circumstance, for example, if suddenly we find ourselves at a sumptuous banquet and we identify ourselves a great deal with the food we will convert ourselves into gluttons or if we get identified with the wine, we end up drunk. If we see a person of the opposite sex in front of us who is fascinating and interesting, we will become very identified with that person and end up fornicating or simply, we are changed into adulterers. To create the Psychological Man in these circumstances, in this way, is not possible.

If in some way we have to start the work of creating the Psychological Man, this will come from real, true work on ourselves, without ever getting identified with any circumstance, while observing ourselves from instant to instant, from moment to moment. There are some people who are mistaken about the path.

There are societies, schools, orders, lodges, religions, sects, which pretend to organize the human psyche by means of certain golden maxims. Communities that pretend to achieve something that they call purifications or Sanctity by means of such maxims. It is urgent that we analyze all of this.

It is obvious that any type of ethical or religious maxim can never serve as a pattern for the distinct events of life.

For example, a maxim that is structured with superior logic, like the logic of Ouspensky, will never truly create a new cosmos, neither a new nature. To strictly subordinate ourselves to a maxim with the purpose of organizing our psyche would be absurd. Obviously this is significant of converting ourselves into slaves.

Therefore, it is convenient that we should reflect upon many ethical catalogs and moral codes that are held as Golden Maxims.

Moreover, there is a lot that needs to be analyzed before entering oneself in the work of the organization of the psyche. For example, a demonstrative annunciation, even if very wise and perfect, could still be unquestionably false, or even worse, intentionally false.

Accordingly, in order to anticipate a transformation within ourselves, we have to become a little more individualistic.  I am not saying to become selfish, this must be understood.  We must learn to think better, in a more independent and perfect way, other than through many sacred sayings, through many Golden Maxims, and as already mentioned, through aphorisms that all the world considers perfect.  These Maxims will never serve as patterns of measurement in order to achieve the authentic transformation and in order to achieve the organization of the psyche within ourselves.

The fact of the matter is to organize the interior psyche, and we have to leave all the subjective rationalism in order to get to the root of the matter.  To confront our own errors as they are without justifying them does not mean that we must flee from them.  Do not intend to excuse them.  There is a need to become more serious in the analysis.  We must be more judicious, more comprehensive. 
   
If we truly do not search for evasiveness, then we can work on ourselves in order to achieve the organization of the Psychological Man and stop being intellectual animals, as we are at this very moment.

Psychological Self-observation is basic.  Truly, to observe ourselves from instant to instant, from second to second is necessary.  What is the purpose of self-observation?  The discovering of our different types of psychological Defects.  But, they must be discovered in the field of action, by directly and judiciously observing them, without evasion, without justification, without any type of escape.

Once a defect has been discovered, then and only then, we can comprehend it, and when we attempt to comprehend it we must, I repeat, be severe with ourselves.  Many, when they attempt to comprehend an error they justify it or evade it, or try to hide it from themselves.  This is absurd.  There are some little Gnostic brothers and sisters who, when discovering this or that defect in themselves they begin with their mind, as we will say, their theoretical mind, to start to make up speculations. This is very grave because as I already said and I repeat again in this moment, speculations of the merely subjective mind forcibly dump themselves into the field of Utopianism, this is obvious.

Therefore if an error is what we want to understand, then mere subjective speculations must be eliminated and in order for them to be eliminated, to have been directly observing the error is necessary.  Only like this through the means of correct Observation it is possible to correct the tendency towards speculation.

Once we have integrally comprehended any psychological defect in all of the levels of the mind, then one can have the luxury of breaking and disintegrating it, reducing it to ashes, to cosmic dust. Nevertheless we must not ever forget that the mind by itself cannot radically alter any defect at all.

The mind by itself can label any defect with different names, pass defects from one level to the other, to hide them from itself or to hide them from other defects but never can it disintegrate a defect.

Many times I have taught here that we need a power  superior to the mind, a power that can truly reduce to ashes any defect of a psychological type.

Fortunately this power exists in the depth of our psyche.  I'm clearly referring to Stella Maris, the Virgin of the Sea, a variation of our own Being. She is a derivative of our Being.  If we concentrate ourselves on this variant force that exists within our psyche, that force that some civilizations denominated as Isis, others Tonantzin, others Diana etc., then we will be assisted and the defect in question can be reduced to cosmic dust.

Any psychological Aggregate, vivid personification of this or that error, once it has been disintegrated something is liberated, this is what is called Essence. It is clear that within any of those bottles which are known as psychic aggregates, some Essence or animated Consciousness exists, bottled up. So when breaking this or that error the percentage of Essence which has been placed or embottled there is liberated.

Each time a percentage of Buddhic Essence is liberated the percentage of Consciousness increases as a fact. Likewise while we are breaking these psychic aggregates the percentage of awakened Consciousness will multiply, and when the totality of the psychic aggregates is reduced to ashes likewise the Consciousness will awaken in its totality.
   
If we just break fifty percent of the inhuman undesirable elements then obviously we will possess fifty percent of objective awakened Consciousness, But if we attain the destruction of a hundred percent of our undesirable elements we will attain as a fact and for our own right, one hundred percent Objective Consciousness.  Thus, based on incessant multiplications our Consciousness will shine each time more and more, this is obvious.

To attain absolute awakening is what we want, and this is possible if we march on the correct path. If we do the contrary then to attain this will be impossible. This is clear.

In any case in the same way that we are diminishing the undesirable psychic elements that we carry in our interior, distinct siddhis or luminous faculties will bloom within our Psyche and when the Buddhist Annihilation has been achieved, truly then we will achieve the most absolute illumination.  This word "Buddhist Annihilation" bothers very much other determined organizations of a pseudo-Esoteric, pseudo-Occult type.  For us instead of this word sickening us, it really pleases us because to attain one hundred percent Consciousness is what we long for.

There are many that would like to achieve illumination, there are many that feel themselves bitter, who suffer within darkness, who suffer through the bitter circumstances of life.

Illumination is something that we long for, but illumination has to have a reason to be; the reason for illumination to be is the Dharmadatu.  This word of Sanskrit origin sounds very strange to the ears of the people present here.  Dharmadatu comes from the root word "Dharma."

The Three Factors

Someone can disintegrate the undesirable psychic elements that we carry in our interior, but nevertheless this one can not achieve the radical illumination because something enters into the game here and this is called the Third Factor for the Revolution of the Consciousness: the sacrifice for humanity.

If we do not sacrifice ourselves for humanity, to attain absolute illumination will not be possible, because I repeat, the reason for illumination is the Dharmadatu.

It is obvious that if we disintegrate the Ego we will receive our payment.  It is true, really true, that if we create the Superior Existential Bodies of the Being we will be paid. We cannot deny that if we sacrifice ourselves for our fellow men we will be paid.  All of this is undoubtable.

Therefore in order to achieve absolute illumination we need to work with the three factors for the revolution of the Consciousness:

TO BE BORN; meaning the creation of the existential superior vehicles of the Being;

TO DIE; meaning the disintegration of the ego in its whole totality;

and the SACRIFICE FOR HUMANITY. 
   
Behold the three factors for the revolution of the Consciousness.

Anyway as I was telling you we need to know how to work upon ourselves. We need to organize the Psychological Man within each one of us.  First of all before we achieve The Absolute illumination the Psychological Man must be born in us and he is born in us when the psyche is organized.  There is a need to organize the psyche within ourselves here and now.

Energy & The Creation of the Higher Bodies

If we work correctly we will organize the psyche. For example, if we do not waste the energies of the emotional center, if we do not waste the energies of the mind, or the energies of the motor/instinctive/sexual brain, then it is obvious that we will create or we will build, give form to the second psychological body with the savings of such energies in ourselves: this is the body of emotions, denominated Eidolon.

Undoubtedly, if we liberate ourselves from the sensual mind then in reality we will achieve the savings of the intellectual energies. With such energies we can nourish the third psychological body or individual mind. When I pronounced myself against the sensual mind, I want the brothers and sisters to clearly understand that I am not putting aside my recognition of the usefulness of the sensual mind and that we need to live in perfect Equilibrium whilst knowing how to drive the superior mind and knowing how to drive the sensual mind.
   
Because if one does not know how to drive the sensual mind then one forgets that there is a need to pay the rent, one forgets that their exists a need to eat in order to exist, one forgets their is a need to get dressed and not wander on the streets completely negligent, not accomplishing his duties in life. Therefore the sensual mind is necessary, but there is a need to know  how to  intelligently drive it with equilibrium, meaning: the superior mind and the sensual mind must be equilibrated in life.

Some people only preoccupy themselves with the sensual mind.  For example, certain hermits that live in the caverns of the Himalayas forget that they have a sensual mind.  To simply disregard this mind just like that is absurd. There is a need for the sensual mind to function in a equilibrated form in order for one to accomplish his duties of life.

Identification
   
The struggle between the superior mind and the sensual mind is frightful. Let us remember the Christ when he was fasting in the wilderness.  A Demon was presented in front of him and  told him "All of the kingdoms of the world will be granted unto thee, if thou kneel and worship before me."  In other words it is the sensual mind tempting him, and the superior mind answers him saying, "Satan, Satan, it is written you must obey and worship the Lord your God."

Jesus never let the sensual mind dominate him, but the meaning of this is not that the sensual mind is useless, It happens that there is a need to have it under control.  It must march in perfect equilibrium with the superior mind.
   
When striving for the organization of the Psychological Man obviously a frightful struggle will happen between the two minds, between the superior, which is the psychological one and the sensual one.  The sensual mind does not want to be involved in anything related with the superior mind.  The sensual mind enjoys when it is identified with a scene of lust or when it is identified with a painful event of the street  or when it is identified with a glass of wine, etc. and the psychological mind is violently against it.  I am going to illustrate this with an example

I was traveling in a car, someone was driving that car. We were driving on the left lane of the street and on the right lane a lady was driving another vehicle, suddenly the car that was being driven by such lady changed direction intent on going to a supermarket which was on the left side of the street.  It is obvious that driving in the right lane she should've turned in a more correct way in order to go to the supermarket.  If the supermarket was on the right side, then she would  have turned right with no problem, Absolutely not caring a bit about this situation, this lady then turned left, this of course ended up with her crashing into the car that we were riding in.

The damages for her car were not so grave, they were minimal.  But here comes the interesting part of the story, the car in which my insignificant person was riding, was being driven by someone who recognized that this was not his fault, and truly it was not his fault, he was not guilty of crashing into this other vehicle that suddenly appeared in front of him.  By turning violently at the moment while he was driving on the street. Naturally he presented his allegation to the lady in question.  But this lady was insisting that she was right.  Of course this was manifestly absurd; any traffic officer would have disqualified her claims immediately.

Nevertheless she insisted on calling the insurance company in order to arrange the problem.  After a couple of hours the insurance  company did not arrive and this lady insisted that she should receive payment of 300 pesos (pesos are the currency of Mexico), that was more or less the cost of the damages, for the repair of her vehicle that she herself destroyed.

The occupants of the car that I was in and the driver was definitely angry in a very big way and even if any of them could have paid her they were  not in any position to do it. Such was the anger that they were having.  I decided, on my part, not to identify with this circumstance because our psychological discipline, our psychological Judo teaches us that in such cases one must not identify. It is obvious that I remained serene in accordance with our psychological Judo. 
   
However time was passing by, two hours and possibly many more.  We waited because the insurance agent was not showing up. At that end this lady very respectably approached me because she saw that I was the only one that was serene, the rest of the occupants were all very vociferous.  She said " Sir, if you would give me at least 300 pesos then we could be finished with this discussion since I am wasting my time and actually all of us are wasting our time."

"But if you observe the positions of the two cars, you will see that you were coming from the right lane and if you wanted to turn left you should have been in the left lane, however you intended to enter the supermarket from the right lane when the left was already occupied, it is not possible to try to enter in this way. Any traffic officer would disqualify you."

"But sir, what are we doing by wasting our time since the insurance agent is not coming."

"O.K., take your 300 Pesos and leave in holy Peace, there is no problem anymore. Go on your way."

It is obvious that there was a general protest from the others, they were very indignant not only against this lady but also against me.  Such was the state in which they were, and they could not do anything but protest.

They were absolutely identified with the event and of course they judged me as a Fool, etc., etc, etc. and other sorts of names.  Of course one of the occupants directly approached the ladies with the purpose of insulting them because there were many, the one that was driving and her acquaintances.  I approached and said to this lady "Go ahead, leave in holy peace and do not pay attention to their insults."

Well, this woman left very happy and from afar gave me a last salutation, and then the car was lost on the streets of the city. We could have kept waiting for three, four, six hours, even the whole afternoon, and quite possibly until that night we could have waited until the insurance agent finally arrived in order to get to some Foolish arrangement. 

Really there was not a grave problem. The damages of her car were minimal, although the occupants of the other car had money they were in no way prepared to pay her.  They were so identified with the scene that obviously they didn't have any Desire, as is said, to twist their arm.  I certainly saved them from a great deal of problems and obnoxious details.  Possibly I even saved them from going to court, I averted for them fifty thousand foolish deeds, bitter deeds, and arguments. But they were so identified with this event that they didn't realize the good that I did for them. This is how people are.
   
Therefore my dear friends in reality, truly you must understand that to identify oneself with circumstances always brings problems, It is absurd to identify oneself with circumstances, completely absurd because the energies are wasted. With which energies will we organize the Astral Body if we allow ourselves to be driven by explosions of anger, explosions of frightful rage, and those irritations that do not have a reason for being? And all of this because we identify with circumstances.

With which forces can one give oneself the luxury of creating an individual mind if truly one squanders the intellectual energies wasting them on foolishness, like the similar act that I have been talking about? The creation of the second body invites us to save the emotional energies and the creation of a third body which can be called the intellectual body or individual mind, makes us comprehend the necessity to save our mental energy.

Now then, if we truly do not learn to leave aside the mechanical antipathies, if we are always full of evil will towards our fellow man, with which energies will we create the fourth psychological body, the Body of Conscious Will (Causal Body)?  It is because there is a need to create all of these superior vehicles if we truly want to create the Psychological Man within ourselves, or to give form to it or to build it within ourselves.

We know well that someone who possesses the physical body, a second body of an emotional/psychological type, a third body of an individual mental type and finally a fourth body of a conscious volitive type, can give himself the luxury of receiving the animated principles in order to convert oneself into a Man, this is undoubtable.  But truly if one squanders his motor/vital/emotional/mental and volitive energies by identifying himself with all the circumstances of life then it's obvious that he will never organize the psychological bodies. They are so indispensable in order for the Man to appear within each one of them.
   
Therefore when I am speaking of the organization of the psyche, it must be understood that we must know how to handle and utilize these energies.  We should not to identify ourselves, nor forget ourselves in order not to waste our energies foolishly. When one forgets the self then one identifies oneself and when one is identified then cannot give form to the psyche, one cannot make the psyche become intelligently structured within itself because one squanders the energies foolishly.  To understand this is urgent, my dear brothers and sisters.
   
Therefore a true Man (or Woman) is one that has saved his energies and that has built the Superior Existential Bodies of the Being by means of the same energies.  A true Man is one that has received his animated and spiritual principles, a perfect Man is one that has disintegrated all of the psychic inhuman elements.

A real Man is the one who has formed the interior Man inside himself instead of those undesirable elements (ego).   Therefore, what counts is the interior Man. This interior Man receives his payment, the Great Law pays him, because this interior Man is awakened and because he has disintegrated the ego. This is the real, true Man who sacrifices himself for his fellowmen.  Obviously, this is how he attains illumination.
   
So to create the Man is a beginning; it is what is fundamental and it is achieved by organizing the psyche.  But many preoccupy themselves exclusively with the development of Powers or inferior siddhis instead of dedicating themselves towards organizing their own Intimate psyche and this is really absurd.  Where are we going to start?  With the organization of the psyche?  Or the development of inferior powers?  What is it that we want?  We have to be judicious in the analysis, judicious in our longings.  If it is powers that we looking for we are just wasting our time miserably.  I believe that what is fundamental is the organization of our inferior psyche, this is basic.

If you understand this in yourselves and work on yourselves then you will be able to give form to the psyche, then the real Man, the true Man will be born within you.

Intuition

You must understand this.  Instead of searching for inferior siddhis or inferior powers as we said it is better to give form to the psyche.  A transcendental power exists that is born within any human being that truly has worked upon himself.  I want in an emphatic form to refer to Intuition, and I mention this so that you will stop coveting powers.  But what is this faculty?  It has been said to us that this faculty is related to the pineal gland,  I do not deny this.  But what is important is to explain what it's functions are.

How are we going to define Intuition? It is a direct perception of the truth without the depressing process of options.

Well this is a good definition, but I've found it very incipient. This definition is used by all of the little pseudo-esoteric and pseudo-occult schools which are around.  Analysis invites us to go much deeper in this matter.

What is Intuition?  It is the faculty of interpretation. Possibly Hegal with his dialectic tried to define it based on the Chinese philosophy of the yellow race.

A Chinese Empress did not understand this matter of Intuition very well. A wise man explained unto her that it was the faculty of Interpretation. This definition is correct, yet she didn't understand.
   
Then the wise man brought her a lit candle and placed it in the center of the hall, and around it he placed ten mirrors as well.  It is clear that the flame of that candle was reflected in one mirror, this flame was in turn projecting a flame onto another mirror, and this other mirror was projecting it onto another, and this one to another. Thus they noticed that these ten mirrors were mutually projecting the light one to another.

A marvelous play of lights was formed, a play with interpretation.  Then the Empress understood.  Behold the faculty of Intuition. 

If somebody has achieved the Buddhist Annihilation, if somebody has achieved the construction of the superior existential bodies of the Being, if He is really a true Man in the most transcendental sense of the word then the faculty of Interpretation will be a fact within him.

Let us take into account that one is contained within the cosmos. I said that one is part of the whole. Much exists within the microcosmic man, nevertheless the totality of oneself is nothing but one part of the whole.

We already know for example, that within the Ayocosmos, meaning the Infinite, the Macrocosmos is contained.  Within the Macrocosmos, the Milky Way, the Deuterocosmos, the solar system is contained.

Within the Deuterocosmos the cosmic Sun is contained, and within this cosmic sun the Cosmos Earth, the Mesocosmos, is contained. Likewise within the Mesocosmos the Microcosmos man is contained, and within the Microcosmos man the life of the infinitely small, the Tritocosmos, is contained.

Within one cosmos there is another cosmos and within this cosmos there is another one, and in totality we have seven cosmos and these are contained one within another. Therefore within ourselves there is an inferior cosmos, it is clear that it is the Tritocosmos; and a superior cosmos, and it is now clear that it is the Mesocosmos. We are between a superior cosmos and an inferior cosmos. We are also very related with our parents since they originated us; likewise from ourselves, our children and grandchildren come.  All of us are interpreting each other mutually.

Undoubtedly my dear friends, existence in any way, that is to say, it's birth, it's development, it's death remains reflecting itself as well within the true Man that has attained the Buddhist Annihilation. Therefore this Man can say, "I know the history of this planet."  The whole Mahamanvantara can reflect itself in the fingernail of an authentic Man  and it would be reflected with such exactitude that this Buddha would not ignore anything.

Everything that could happen within an entire nation could reflect itself in the psyche of a Man or Woman that has passed through the Buddhist Annihilation, it would reflect itself with such exactitude, with such precision, with such detail that this one would not ignore not even the most insignificant event.

Therefore deduce for yourselves and infer into what I have said about what Intuition is.

The faculty of Interpretation. If we achieve the reflection of the history of this Galaxy within ourselves. 

Can we ignore something related with this?  Of course not.  The galaxy with all of its processes can be reflected within our psyche so naturally, my dear brothers and sisters, just as the candle in the example that I gave you  related with the ten mirrors that served to illustrate the story of the Empress. 
   
If all circumstances can be reflected upon within the psyche of a Buddha of Contemplation, because this one no longer has any inhuman psychic aggregates to disintegrate, then this one achieves, as a fact, through the means of Intuition, what we would define as Consciousness.

To attain Illumination is possible, but do not forget my dear friends that Illumination has its laws. The reason for Illumination is the Dharmadatu, in other words Dharma.

 

[spark]

Hi FOlks.  I am curious about the releasing of Kundalini.  I am able to feel upper chakras strongly, like heart, throat, 3rd eye and crown.  But, I only slightly feel root chakra and one at stomach.  I actually just recently started to feel them, and I simultaneously started to see auras, and to feel objects, like trees, etc.  I assumed, without reading anything, that I had perhaps released this Kundalini or whatever, but it appears that I have just widely opened certain chakras.  Anyway, one of you mentioned that you released Kundalini.  I am curious about breadth of your experiences, etc.  For me, I am very experienced with OBEs (from waking state) and remote viewing too.  I am 45 years old.  I have a feeling that I may be able to do this, if, by chance, I set out on the right path.  Anyway, I also tend to be very health focused, and I have been thinking of fasting for a few days anyway.  But, I have never really done any energy work --well, that I know of.  I might be doing it without knowing what other folks are referring to.  For example, I will relatively often go for a very slow jog and focus on breathing and taking in not just oxygen, but "other stuff."  Maybe, that is similar.  Anyway, I am trying to a) find other folks that have similar depth of feeling of objects (for me, I can essentially walk around and it is as if I have another sense now, and I can feel trees, etc., from far away too) and b) discern how to grow with this more (in a balanced fashion -- i.e., I discovered that with new experiences come complexities that need to be balanced to maintain oneself) such as, e.g., to release Kundalini, etc. 

Anyway, I have exchanged emails with Mr. Bruce in the past.  I found him to be rather experienced.  So, I am thinking of just buying some of hiis books and reading.  I am not one that likes to read so much, but I think it is only fair to him since he offers so muhc of his time.  And, he seems to have good knowledge. Anyway, if you have any quick thoughts on releasing kundulini, please let me know.  As an FYI, I dont really know how others focus on the chakras.  I just basically sit in a chair, or whatever, and focus on them and relax.  I realize that there are all sorts of "techniques" but, i think they likely are seeking to achiebasic things that can be done without the techniques.  For me, I like to isolate what the focus is... for example, I have read various pointers on having OBEs.  But, I have found simple ways to just slip into them without following routines.  Anyway, so if it can be boiled down in some way, I am curious.

Regards,
Spark

[Coran]

Hi FOlks.  I am curious about the releasing of Kundalini.  I am able to feel upper chakras strongly, like heart, throat, 3rd eye and crown.  But, I only slightly feel root chakra and one at stomach.  I actually just recently started to feel them, and I simultaneously started to see auras, and to feel objects, like trees, etc.  I assumed, without reading anything, that I had perhaps released this Kundalini or whatever, but it appears that I have just widely opened certain chakras.  Anyway, one of you mentioned that you released Kundalini.  I am curious about breadth of your experiences, etc.  For me, I am very experienced with OBEs (from waking state) and remote viewing too.  I am 45 years old.  I have a feeling that I may be able to do this, if, by chance, I set out on the right path.  Anyway, I also tend to be very health focused, and I have been thinking of fasting for a few days anyway.  But, I have never really done any energy work --well, that I know of.  I might be doing it without knowing what other folks are referring to.  For example, I will relatively often go for a very slow jog and focus on breathing and taking in not just oxygen, but "other stuff."  Maybe, that is similar.  Anyway, I am trying to a) find other folks that have similar depth of feeling of objects (for me, I can essentially walk around and it is as if I have another sense now, and I can feel trees, etc., from far away too) and b) discern how to grow with this more (in a balanced fashion -- i.e., I discovered that with new experiences come complexities that need to be balanced to maintain oneself) such as, e.g., to release Kundalini, etc. 

Anyway, I have exchanged emails with Mr. Bruce in the past.  I found him to be rather experienced.  So, I am thinking of just buying some of hiis books and reading.  I am not one that likes to read so much, but I think it is only fair to him since he offers so muhc of his time.  And, he seems to have good knowledge. Anyway, if you have any quick thoughts on releasing kundulini, please let me know.  As an FYI, I dont really know how others focus on the chakras.  I just basically sit in a chair, or whatever, and focus on them and relax.  I realize that there are all sorts of "techniques" but, i think they likely are seeking to achiebasic things that can be done without the techniques.  For me, I like to isolate what the focus is... for example, I have read various pointers on having OBEs.  But, I have found simple ways to just slip into them without following routines.  Anyway, so if it can be boiled down in some way, I am curious.

Regards,
Spark

Hi Spark. If you're interested in "awakening" your energy and working with energy, then I can help you with this if you wish. I teach how to awaken and control your energy and how to manipulate energy in very easy steps and whats more is I do it for free. If you wish to know more just contact me or follow the link in my signature and register on my forum where all my work is located.

[loppoppy]

10/10 for the first post of this thread.
I've read all the replies to this and at least took a look at all the links posted (took me a while) and it's amazing how many different beliefs there are concerning the many aspects to the subject of kundalini. Some posts seem a little bit closed minded and a little bit "you are wrong i am right" but still all of it an interesting read.
One of my favourite parts of this thread was the debate between SirLeon and GuardianMasterAngel.

I have done a lot of work into astral projection and have 100% conciously projected from an awake state a couple of times. I have had one kundalini rising experience of which i have limited memory. It involved unbelievable pain, heat and huge releases of energy from my other chakras. It was like I was in total overdrive and I was about to self destruct haha. I was also sick. The sensations rose upwards in surges until it reached and passed my head where the pain stopped. When it was over though I had a brief period of my higher self. I had countless realisations all hitting me at once and a whole new level of indescribable understanding and it was all so perfectly wonderful it was as if what i know as peace and love was a force engulfing and racing through me. Sounds cheesy but thats the easiest way to describe it. Afterwards and to this day I have no idea what those realisations were, and the feelings feel so distant and the memory so faint, it's as if it didn't really happen and it was all my imagination...but i know it wasn't. I clearly "was not properly prepared" and since that experience I pretty much stopped my training, I dunno why. After reading this thread I intend to continue =)

I should mention that during that point in time I was having frequent sex. I do not believe that sex is either a waste of energy or the cause of the kundalini rising. I was also not fasting or anything like that, which is probably why i was sick, but thats something i don't mind dealing with so i do not believe that i have to starve myself either. The energies used in sex and digestion are nothing severely missed. Nothing that a quick meditation or sleep session won't make up for Fighting the natural desires for sex and eating will only bring imbalance and lack of focus we should not fight our human nature, but work alongside it .

In my case I am going to dismiss all guidelines, precautions, warnings and "dangers". When this experience occured I had not read up on kundalini rising, all i had read was that kundalini exists. From there I had recieved all the information required for rising from my guide/higher self/whoever during meditation. The one thing I will agree with is learning to fully and properly astral project first, as this gains a LOT of control and awareness that I believe is essential to ascension. Also, AP training brings with it the balance and discipline required for kundalini rising. By doing things my way I got results, I'm personally not going to waste time just to make the process a little easier to bare, as I believe that my time is limited, I don't have a lifetime to spend.
People talk as if the potential death is a danger, I see it as a required factor in order to reach ascension and full enlightenment. i believe the only way to fully ascend and become a "living master" is to die, ascend, then return to the physical body repairing and reactivating it. I will return and I will suceed I won't let me fail.

I hope you all get what your aiming for, and the only advice i can give, is to do it your way! Use anything you can find, whether from meditation or from articles, books and recorded experiences in order to find your way

[AstralGoat2008]

Hi I read in an information source about Yogi Bhajan (who introduced Kundalini Yoga to the West)
that 'The Energy of the kundalini is released from the Naval center'
i also read on here that it starts at the Root Chakra... could anyone clarify this for me? as to which chakra the Kundalini starts from?

Thanks!