TO Mr Bruce: about Kundalini

[geoff]

I have a simple question Leo:

Do you ever experiment? or just read?

Kindest regards,

Geoff

[Leo Volont]

I have a simple question Leo:

Do you ever experiment? or just read?

Kindest regards,

Geoff

If I would have spent all my time reading, you would think I would be better with my references.

I am actually a High Initiate from one of the Schools of Kundalini I have mentioned (I won't say which one, because these schools often claim proprietary rights over the details of their Teachings, and I would not wish to be sued for being open with Information).  And I have always been very social and so I have hobnobbed with those of other spiritual and Yogic Traditions.  My own Kundalini Guru explicitly enjoined us to experiment as much as possible, both with our own ideas, and also with other Schools, Movement and Methods.

I myself came up with a few Kundalini Techniques, but all of my fellows quite ignored them, because they didn't come from the Guru.... so it seems that Gurus approve more of Experimentation than do some followers... but I guess that is the difference between Gurus and Followers.

When I was young I did a great deal of reading.  It is good to acquire Culture, and you can do that by reading.  By informing yourself of the details of other people's spiritual cultures it enables you to speak intelligently to them.  I can't imagine that you would insinuate that such openness to other people's Traditions can somehow be considered blameworthy.  Has Ignorance become a Virtue?

Yet even the Books themselves insist that a time comes when one needs to set the Books aside and actually do the work.  When I was a child I read every available book on Aviation, but when I reached 16 I took every dollar I saved since I was 8 and took Flying Lesson and learned how to Fly.  It is a Step by Step Process -- read about it and do it.

If you do not read about it, then you are skipping a step.  But, then again, after they elected George Bush, MAYBE Ignorance HAS BECOME a Virtue.

[Pindar]

I also found a reference that says that during ordinary energy flow, the energy rises through the Ida Lunar lefthand clockwise channel, and descends through the Pingali righthand counterclockwise hot Channel.  But in the Yogic Process the energies are to be mixed and balanced.  The rise of the Kundalini through the Central Sushuma Channel in the spine is the ultimate success of this Balancing.

You can also check which of the solar/lunar nadis are dominant by becoming aware of what nostril is least congested. If the left nostril seems open that's usually a clear sign of ida-activity, and vice-versa. The tradition of Swara Yoga goes more deeply into this and how to balance or activate either one before activities associated with that kind of energy. Swar(a) means dominant nostril.
Apparently there is a pretty detailed cycle of solar/lunar dominance depending on the moon and sun's position in the sky that we would follow naturally (and benefit from) if our nervous-systems were clean enough to resonate properly with those cosmic energies. So far, the only good english book I've found on Swara Yoga is Harish Johari's 'Breath, Mind and Consiousness': http://www.sanatansociety.com/hinduism_books/hb_breath_mind_consciousness.htm

Here's a short summary of what Swara Yoga is all about:
http://www.sanatansociety.org/yoga_and_meditation/swara_yoga.htm

[Leo Volont]

Dear Pindar,

Cool.

One of my favorite remembrances from reading the Collected Works of Swami Vivekananda is the breathing exercise he gives, I think in the opening Chapter of Raja Yoga (he could be quite unsystematic and discursive at times).  The exercise involved balancing the breathing between the nostrils.  It consists of this:  place your hand up to your nose with your thumb to the right nostril and your forefinger to the left, and then closing the Right Nostril breath out Left and then breath in Left, then close the Left Nostril and breath out Right and then breath in Right... repeat.

Vivekananda also mentioned that each person would notice one nostril or the other being dominant during certain times of the day.  Rarely do I ever find one nostril entirely blocked anymore.... but that may be because I regularly do this exercise.

[Nostic]

Warning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.

       

I once (or twice) read that if it is your goal to achieve God/Self realization, you should be prepared to die. Such an achievement really is a death. Kundalini raising can be dangerous, but only if you haven't prepared your body and mind. I think the warning is for those who are doing it as a novelty.

[pod_3]

That some respect the proprietary nature of their schools tells me they are not accredited to teach it.

I'm not sure of the need for many who call themselves gurus, anyway.  Don't so many proclaim their art a science, which will work by law on anyone who practices their methods, no matter who?!

They string initiates along for money to fund great auditoriums when  a laying-on-of-hands style of shaktipat administered from a nude hermit could be enough.  Likely, this touch could be transmitted through any one of an organizational flyer or from any number of cosmic, magnetic or electrical points, without so much as the need for the flyer.

I have read in depth but find most writings to be irrelevant to the process of progression. After some attainment, you will find an expensive library of publications speaking symbolically, only.  Through false interest, some  of the otherwise useless stuff leaks to those who cannot even regurgitate it properly. Similar to pop TV characters trying to blend in with society and not getting the gist of the slang, wannabe mystics stick out like a sore thumb.

All physical exercizes for attaining self/god-realization, are symbolic. It is my belief that self-realization is the purpose of all yogas, and people perform them for years "improperly" without realizing what the point is. Only after thay can have clear thoughts of their spritual purpose, they realize what was being hinted at the whole time.

Otherwise, it is for the fact that the exercizes are attributed to a particular egregore or deity that performing a physical action will trigger chakral developement. Basically, the stored thought energy is programmed to be released to the speaking of a codeword or practice of a secret ritual.

The issue with a complete kundalini release is that it spells death to the human Ego. The fullest release of the pent up energy WILL BE stronger than the personality of the person who releasing it. This why you have to be ready to die.

Some theosophical organizations credit supernormal abilities to people who, through suicidal tendencies, automatically gave up their bodies to lesser Astral demons. These contractual tricks, which you are nonetheless accountable for, are the purpose for all the blind,  initiatory levels.

In the case that people could attain the Spiritual Mark of God (not Astral) through the Baptism by Fire, it would spell death to the sinful nature of their humanity. Ego death, again.

An exercize meant to take advantage of certain astrological alignments has been prepared for throughout history. Energy released upon those dates will allow people to mark themselves as kundaletic adepts as soon as they physically choose to do so. They, too, will think they are recieving the mark of God, and they will live in an earthly paradise for a season.

[You]

Shouldn't the goal of everyone be to exist without Gurus? That's mine. The goal's to make everyone your Guru, until no one can teach you any more.

[geoff]

Hi Tyciol,

The real trick, I beleive, is to learn from every*thing* and not every*one*, and when you're tired of searching, you'll start to learn from yourself

A lot of posts for a new member!

Kind regards,

Geoff

[pharmakeia]

A very fresh breath of air. Thank you Pod. May I ask your cosmological perspective on those who claim the human race was corrupted by serpent blood and the Jesus represents the Way to our Source? Your prose impresses upon me images of dissapointed searches, yet with a reference to cosmic allignments, hints at pilgrimage to the various "power spots" on earth. What's your thoughts?

pharmakeia

That some respect the proprietary nature of their schools tells me they are not accredited to teach it.

I'm not sure of the need for many who call themselves gurus, anyway.  Don't so many proclaim their art a science, which will work by law on anyone who practices their methods, no matter who?!

They string initiates along for money to fund great auditoriums when  a laying-on-of-hands style of shaktipat administered from a nude hermit could be enough.  Likely, this touch could be transmitted through any one of an organizational flyer or from any number of cosmic, magnetic or electrical points, without so much as the need for the flyer.

I have read in depth but find most writings to be irrelevant to the process of progression. After some attainment, you will find an expensive library of publications speaking symbolically, only.  Through false interest, some  of the otherwise useless stuff leaks to those who cannot even regurgitate it properly. Similar to pop TV characters trying to blend in with society and not getting the gist of the slang, wannabe mystics stick out like a sore thumb.

All physical exercizes for attaining self/god-realization, are symbolic. It is my belief that self-realization is the purpose of all yogas, and people perform them for years "improperly" without realizing what the point is. Only after thay can have clear thoughts of their spritual purpose, they realize what was being hinted at the whole time.

Otherwise, it is for the fact that the exercizes are attributed to a particular egregore or deity that performing a physical action will trigger chakral developement. Basically, the stored thought energy is programmed to be released to the speaking of a codeword or practice of a secret ritual.

The issue with a complete kundalini release is that it spells death to the human Ego. The fullest release of the pent up energy WILL BE stronger than the personality of the person who releasing it. This why you have to be ready to die.

Some theosophical organizations credit supernormal abilities to people who, through suicidal tendencies, automatically gave up their bodies to lesser Astral demons. These contractual tricks, which you are nonetheless accountable for, are the purpose for all the blind,  initiatory levels.

In the case that people could attain the Spiritual Mark of God (not Astral) through the Baptism by Fire, it would spell death to the sinful nature of their humanity. Ego death, again.

An exercize meant to take advantage of certain astrological alignments has been prepared for throughout history. Energy released upon those dates will allow people to mark themselves as kundaletic adepts as soon as they physically choose to do so. They, too, will think they are recieving the mark of God, and they will live in an earthly paradise for a season.

[pod_3]

A very fresh breath of air. Thank you Pod. May I ask your cosmological perspective on those who claim the human race was corrupted by serpent blood and the Jesus represents the Way to our Source? Your prose impresses upon me images of dissapointed searches, yet with a reference to cosmic allignments, hints at pilgrimage to the various "power spots" on earth. What's your thoughts?

pharmakeia

Jesus represents for everyone the one Way to our Source, but only a selected few are corrupted by serpent blood.

The Holy-Spirit inspired Word of God is used by Christians and New-Worlders to hint at the alchemy of mind, body, and spirit. There is a parable of carnal people being strengthened upon milk until they can eat the strong spiritual meat.  That there are mysterious secrets  is obviously being alluded to.  However, when certain political figures clearly do not exhibit fruits of that spirit but say they are born again anyway, they are hinting at something, too.

[karnautrahl]

Whatever created our universe and all of reality-isn't going to be bothered about judging. We are pretty good at doing that ourselves.  The "Creator" probably just likes the experience of all life being lived throughout all of reality, and probably is just observing all...because "he/she/it" doesn't necessarily know what life is going to do next.
We are all rather daft if we think we have any real handle on knowing the "Creators" will, likes/dislikes or anything. Hence why I refuse to acknowledge any faith as my own. I'll only go by experience..my own experience.  Hardline fundemental beliefs to me are onto a loser...again an opinion.

I use "Creator" in the way I do, because I don't know what label is the right one. So I use this cautiously.

[SirLeon]

Read this, it's quite interesting.

http://www.gnosis-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=43

And Kundalini isn't a force that only the eastern traditions talk about. It is universal, although always hidden in symbols.

The real goal of alchemy is to raise the kundalini force in our body and unite us with our god.

We aren't gods.

We are nothing, we must be humble.

We betrayed our god and that's the reason we are in this state.

The apple that Eve gave to Adam is a symbol. The apple means DESIRE. We fell through sex, because sex is sacred and we have profaned this.

Kundalini can't rise with respiratory exercises. They are useful but they can't awaken kundalini.

Kundalini can be awakened only with the power of sex. With the practise of sex through husband and wife.

[GuardianMasterAngel]

hi!
Your post I found impressive, until about halfway through.
"We aren't Gods" No there is only one God, but since he is the source of everything we all must be part of him. The same applies for GOOD and BAD.
"We are nothing, we must be humble" And where does it say that, the Bible? Wasn't the Bible made to control the masses? Do you not think it funny that the Bible allows for royalty, Kings and Queens but preaches that we are all equal?
Some of those scribes that wrote the Bible were whipped and beaten.
Is that Holy?
"The apple means DESIRE." What? so we all are supposed to supress DESIRE? It would be your desire to supress desire, so DESIRE you cannot escape.
"Kundalini can be awakened only with the power of sex. With the practise of sex through husband and wife." Well that is one way, but my Kundalini has awakened spontaneously.
You don't have to let religion become your prison, I would know because I have been there.
BTW: That, serpent that lead us all into temptation, is actually our Kundalini!

[SirLeon]

I promote no RELIGION. All religions are true, all religions say the same thing but they say it with symbols and that's why we see them as different.

So you think that desire is something natural? For the animals yes, it's the way of living for them.

Do you have free will? Or you do something to satisfy a desire that you have?

Are you happy with life in this planet? Do you think that emotions like anger, lust, envy, gluttony are human? I think they are animalistic.

The bible was made in oder to control the masses?

Son of God died for us and the bible that talks about his life is something to control our lifes?

Don't believe anything you read, investigate!

Study the four noble truth of Buddism if you want to learn about desire.

Legend has it that the first teaching of the Buddha Shakyamuni revealed Four Truths to humanity. He said, "It is through not understanding, not realizing four things, that I, Disciples, as well as you, had to wander so long through this round of rebirths. And what are these four things? They are the Noble Truth of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Extinction of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Path that leads to the Extinction of Suffering."

1. Life is suffering. All sentient beings suffer.

2. Desire is the cause of suffering.

3. Suffering can be overcome if desire is removed.

4. There is a path to the elimination of desire.

Have you awakened kundalini?! So you can control the four elements by will? You can summon thunderstorms by will! You can heal anyone that is sick by will! Bravo!

(don't confuse the energy that can rise through ida and pingala with kundalini though...)

[karnautrahl]

(don't confuse the energy that can rise through ida and pingala with kundalini though...)

And here's me thinking that's exactly what it is...once you clear and raise it through those channels you bring it up the center..

There is some moralistic stuff in your post there SirLeon. Please don't assume that the answers you have found must be true for all.  Our very beliefs *can* be our own prison.

[SirLeon]

There is some moralistic stuff in your post there SirLeon. Please don't assume that the answers you have found must be true for all.  Our very beliefs *can* be our own prison.

I agree with that. Don't believe what i say, or what someone else says. Investigate!

We have so wonderful tools to acquire knowledge through direct experience(Gnosis). It would be a shame to believe what others say.

There is a temple in my country(in Delphi) where in a sign it says "Man know yourself". Thalis from Militos, a great greek philosopher, said upon this "Man know yourself and you will know the universe and it's gods".

Peace and light for all of us,

[SirLeon]

So you say that as if by magic nature will make us divine beings in the future? You rely on the future for this?

You say that every person in the earth has his own truth?! Truth is only our father who is in heaven.

In the past people believed that the earth was flat. That doesn't mean that back then the earth was flat. The facts are facts!

If you throw a glass from the table, that will break even if you believe the opposite with all your heart. Our beliefs(the truth of every person) have nothing to do with reality.

To sum up, as you say, fulfill our desires as much as we can now that we are half animals...

After a while nature(earth ascending) will take care of us...

[GuardianMasterAngel]

"So you say that as if by magic nature will make us divine beings in the future? You rely on the future for this?"
Not by magic, it is a question of energy, the frequency of the Earths energy is and has been raising for quite some time now, it is called the shumann resonance or something along those lines.
The raise in this energy will make us divine, not magic.

"You say that every person in the earth has his own truth?! Truth is only our father who is in heaven."
Very easy to say, but would you care to explain the dynamics of that.
Is that your own observation? I think you are partly right.
"If you throw a glass from the table, that will break even if you believe the opposite with all your heart."
I am not sure why you have said this to me, the glass' reality is not the subject of our conversation, our believes are our own truth, so how can our own truth affect the reality of the glass? We are not the glass we are throwing.
"Our beliefs(the truth of every person) have nothing to do with reality."
Our beliefs determine our own reality.
"To sum up, as you say, fulfill our desires as much as we can now that we are half animals..."
Why are you summarising yourself what I am saying to try to improve your argument, why don't you QUOTE what I have written?
I did not say we should fulfill our desire as much as we can, I do say do what you want to though, and I did not say that we are half animal, I said that the nature of humanity is half animalistic, half-divine.
"After a while nature(earth ascending) will take care of us..."
No Earth will bring in the new energy, with which we will ascend.
All that we are both doing here is trying to invite each other to see the other's point of view.
It would appear that this is not working.
The main point that I am making is that life is choice, any notion that it is not is an illusion, and you will probably find this out for yourself.

If you are interested in the planetary ascention these links may show you something you might like to see:

www.diagnosis2012.co.uk
www.experiencefestival.com/2012
www.experiencefestival.com/buddhist_prophets
http://www.prophetsmanual.com/content/index.cfm?navID=21&itemID=24

If not I wish you well on your Journey  

[SirLeon]

Sorry if you see this as an argument, thank you for the links  

[GuardianMasterAngel]

No it's not an argument, I enjoy this kind of discussion it helps me learn too!
The links are quite insightful aren't they?
What do you think of them?

[SirLeon]

I don't know about the knowledege in the links yet, i prefer to investigate first.

Thank you although for giving them,

[pod_3]

Hehe. Stick it to the "Illuminated." Noone has heard the saying about tapping the pulsating, surging dynamo of Satan? Most are like the Dragon Ball Z crowd, who say they are fully plugged into the God of Forces.

[star]

hmm maybe a bit off topic, I hear that the energy of kundilini while rising, will blow out the side of your body if your chakras are not ready, ouch.


think there's any recorded instances of that?


omg! he just exploded!

[karnautrahl]

Since it's relevant can anyone explain why my kundalini yoga session last night-and last weeks session-causes me to need more than 5 pints of water during the day, actually today I've lost track of how many big and little drinks of water I need. I haven't altered my diet or any other exercise routines.  I do get the heat up the core of my body when I contract mahbandha.  Today I moderated the resulting sex drive severely-deliberately. Not sure if that influenced the water thing though.

[sweetbliss]

Since it's relevant can anyone explain why my kundalini yoga session last night-and last weeks session-causes me to need more than 5 pints of water during the day...

Hi, Karnautrahl!

You follow, probably, a practice which heats your right energy channel, especially the liver. That's why you feel like drinking so much water. Hata yoga (asana practice) can have such an effect. Or are you meditating on the 'inner fire' or something similar? I don't know, it shouldn't work like this, Kundalini is beyond elements (beyond fire, too), so she will balance and sooth the thirst (even the spiritual thirst hehehe   ). If you explaind a bit what the technique is, I could try to give a better answer, or ask a bit around. You can sent me  a private message, if you want, I'm curious about this techniques.
I'm also practice Kundalini Yoga (Sahaja Yoga), but never got such symptoms.

Oh, sometimes I feel like eating more, especially when meditating to enhance the spiritual level of the people around, to purify: one burns then energy and need proteins   ; otherwise, during a nice meditation day, a hardly need to eat or drink.
So, about the thirst: either you are clearing the liver and the right energy channel of the people around or the technique you are using is heating the liver.  

All the best!