Our Future In The Physical Universe

[Lionheart]

Yes there is more of a point -  my rather impatient friends - to this unfolding thread.  But first the groundwork has to be prepared yes?  The contradiction is that you want the 'destination' explained by skipping the 'journey' to 'get to the point' and then show your disapproval/frustration by your impetuous responses. 

So there is an end game here. Why didn't you just say that "in the beginning"? Yes that pun was intended.

Do you feel that we weren't smart enough or up to your level of intellect yet, you thought you needed to "prime" us first?

Is your "groundwork" complete yet?

I can't wait to see where this leads! 

[Wi11iam]

So there is an end game here. Why didn't you just say that "in the beginning"? Yes that pun was intended.

Do you feel that we weren't smart enough or up to your level of intellect yet, you thought you needed to "prime" us first?

Is your "groundwork" complete yet?

I can't wait to see where this leads!  

Hey Lionheart

I was able to answer your concerns directly without the impulse to poke at your person...perhaps that is a sign of maturity, but I really didn't have the impulse.

Your concerns regarding military were relevant.

However, having answered them, all you can do in reply is ignore the answers and press on with what amounts to disrupting the flow of the thread – attack the messenger and ignore the message.

Whatever dude (or duddess)

*shrugs*

Your original reply started off 'nope' but didn't really address fully why.  You didn't explain military or mind control as to why Consciousness wont be or isn't in your opinion - interested in exploring this universe and utilizing the materials to transform those materials as I have suggested.  Perhaps to explain may put you in the light of someone who believes in conspiracy and is paranoid about technology? Yes that irony was intended.

The end game isn't really the focus of the thread - it can be discussed, once discussion actually gets under way, if indeed it will.

[Astralzombie]

I am simply pointing out the facts as they surface.

You do understand that we are trying to discuss a theory, right? Even though I'm on board with a lot of what we are discussing, this is all conjecture.

[Lionheart]

Whatever dude (or duddess)

What are we a bunch of punk kids now?

I was just replying to YOUR post there. You always want people to correspond to you, well I did.

I'm sure everyone else knew what meant when I stated my views on the video and the idea you presented.

It meant it's not going to happen until we change, plain and simple.

Your next question, change what?

My response change our mindsets on what is important and what isn't. To start working towards making the situation better, not just "towing the line" and accepting everything as it is. For people to put their foot down and say enough is enough. But that isn't going to happen right now because we are submissive to our masters here.

We may moan and groan, but that doesn't change anything.

Once we ALL decide to work on ourselves first, then we will see the welcomed change we all wish to see. It begins with each and every one of us on a personal level.

There lies the problem, not all of us want this. Not all of know there could be a something different or even how to create it and I'm sure there is many that don't really even care or are too lazy to care about it. Many people just live their lives in the "status quo", that's where the term "sheople" is born.

Many/Most people except things the way they are and try to live the best they can and there is nothing wrong with that. They try to make the best of every situation that occurs in their lives. They live within their means and are happy doing so. That's the important thing, finding a way to live this life with Love and Happiness.

If you are constantly looking over your shoulder and keep asking "what if", then you are missing something important in your own personal life.

[ChopstickFox]

If you are constantly looking over your shoulder and keep asking "what if", then you are missing something important in your own personal life.

Indeed... Spending each moment engrossed by the "end all" isn't for everyone. At it doesn't necessarily make anyone any more or less intelligent for it.

One of my favorite quotes as said by Socrates: The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

To me, nothing rings more true. It is humbling and makes the world so much more amazing.

[Lionheart]

 Wi11iam I just wanted to tell you a say a few things here.

Before I post a reply to anybody here I have learned how important it is to go back into their "posting history" and see what i can learn. Then and only then can I properly answer their questions or post to the best of my knowledge.

I just recently found your Youtube channel and have looked at some of your videos there, definitely not all 70 though.

I see that you had an experience, like many people here do that has led you to question almost everything, your entire existence.

Tom Campbell talks about people seeing what they need to see when they need to see it.

I too had an "eye opening" experience, which consequently led me to the Astral Pulse.

At first I learned everything I could to try and learn to consciously Phase/Project. I was a great student and read every PDF and book I could find.

I began to practice what I learned and was successful, until the day I started questioning everything. I found when I started to do that, I couldn't Phase anymore. This went on for about a month.

When I finally just decided to just allow what happens to happen and drop the questions, I was "allowed back in. But this time I was constantly reminded to "just observe" and a good observer I became.

I see you have now turned into a Philosopher of types,, but unfortunately without an audience. You are definitely a "Thinking Man" and that's not a bad thing to be. You just need to ALLOW the answers to funnel through you. Do this and they will come.

I can also see that all your questions have hindered your "experiencing" anything in the NPR consciously aware anymore.

I do want to say though, I was highly impressed by your "Glass Mirrors of the Earth". Those are spectacular and very creative. You have put a lot of thought and symbolism into them. They are incredible pieces of Art in my opinion. I too create "Wheels" of sorts, but use them mostly as portals for my NPR exploration. Definitely something you should try as well.  

I questioned an "End Game" before because you have now created 3 different threads, all based on the same idea. Once a thread goes dry, you wait awhile and come back and start the conversation over again under a different "guise" per say.

What is it that you wish to hear here? What can other members here finally say to you to give you "piece of mind" once more?

That's what I mean when I ask the question, "what is your end game"?

I have seen many members here reach out to you to respond to your questions or "philosophies", but then you turn around and question what they have to say.

Every answer leads to more questions which leads to more answers, which leads to more questions, until finally people here start to tire of it because they see it's going nowhere fast.

Yes this is a open Forum and we are currently in under the heading of "Welcome to Integral Philosophy", so in turn you have done nothing wrong.

But if you start to be more inviting to people and show them you are listening, instead of just debating them all the time, you will see that more people will respond to what you have to say.

No one can prove what is right and what isn't right now. Everyone has there own truths based on what they are "seeing" and experiencing themselves in the NPR. Those become their truths.

Try to ALLOW the NPR to teach you yours as well. You will see that it will oblige your request. It could be by riddles/puzzles or quests, but in the end you will find what you seek.

I see a lot of myself in you. I just enjoy my privacy too much to start a youtube channel and I'm not really into the social media stuff.

I'm just happy to come here and correspond with other like minded people, that are searching, as I am for their own truths, which leads to them finding themselves.

Just last night I saw that I have much more to learn. I have never doubted that, for this World is our classroom.

But last night I awoke in a Lucid Dream, I thought I had gained full awareness, then I experienced full Sleep Paralysis to the max and then did nothing. The next thing I knew I was being screamed at and surrounded by people telling me something serious had happened to MJ's one and only Grandson.

Once I awoke, I was extremely annoyed at myself for allowing that to happen. I knew I was Dreaming, it changed into the SP, but this SP was different than I had ever experienced. It was like being in a shaking dark tunnel, I then lost my awareness and the next thing I knew, I was in a full blown terror scene.

Oh, well, back to the drawing board! At least I knew what was happening and why.

I feel for the many people of the World that awaken in a full blown SP fear scenario. It really is the true meaning of Terror.

I hope you don't take this post of mine here as an attack, because that's the last thing I wished it to be.

I am going to listen to more of his Youtube videos, but you might want to shorten them up a bit. You seem to say the same thing over and over again. It's great info, but it seems like it takes you a long time to make a single point.

The biggest complaint and the only one I know of that is made on Tom Campbell, is that he takes a long time to answer one question and that comes across a boring and too drawn out for most.

[Astralzombie]

I know it annoys you to get off topic but would you please explain your mirror of the Earth. I never understood what your avatar was until I saw it in the member's art thread.

It is amazing to say the least and completely fascinating to look at. I am not asking from a critical stance, I just want to know what inspired you to may such a beautiful piece that appears to be so much more than just art.

Thanks,

A fan.

[Bedeekin]

Yeah... your Ouija board mirror thing is beautiful. Very impressive.

I like the way all the intersections mean something and that they are more open to interpretation and exactness than the YES/NO alphabet and number scenario.

[Made O pHI]

Nope, every new technical advance gets used first in Military applications, then for Control techniques.

With beliefs like this we won't ever change. Yes in the past every technical advantage may have been used for military purposes but it's a new time. We can't continue to look back if you want to create a future. We should look forward into what can be done and is possible.

Hanging on to the past is on a recipe to conjure up the past, Changing and moving forward into new beliefs is how we evolve.
One of the first things I learned when I got into spirituality was not to believe in everything I read and to not hold on to the beliefs that I believed to be true. Yes those beliefs may have been true but over time they WILL change because change is inevitable, in everything and everyone. Including the government(s). No matter how messed up things have been, all things take time so lets stop making it harder on the younger generation with these fairy tale beliefs of "No that can't happen because in the past it was this way, or that way."

IF you'd like to continue living the past then be our guest but please don't push your beliefs onto everyone else because of what you think. (Disclaimer:This statement was made to the general public who tend to push there old beliefs onto others.)

pHI

[Lionheart]

With beliefs like this we won't ever change. Yes in the past every technical advantage may have been used for military purposes but it's a new time. We can't continue to look back if you want to create a future. We should look forward into what can be done and is possible.

This is not looking back at the past. This is looking at today.

Do some research and you will see what I mean. What are Drones being used for. How about the new "nano-bot" technology or new developments in prosthetics being used to make the "future soldier", robotics the same thing.

This is one control application that is being used today. 

At a school in California they have introduced a new system using "tags" for the students. They say they have put these chips around their neck for their own protection.

Once again using fear to camouflage control!

Just think if they can get the Youth of today used to wearing these things, what's going to stop the Adults of tommorrow from continuing this trend. It will become common place to be chipped every where you go, in the name of personal security.

[Made O pHI]

How are you sure this is a control method ? Just because it seems like its fear based ? Lets not forget kids have to carry an ID card around today for their protection at school. I think just having to wear a necklace with your information at school would be so much easier then having to worry about carrying a stupid card.

I know where your coming from with this though cuz I use to think that all that stuff was to control us more but if you actually think about it it's a way of the future to make our lives easier. The conspiracies behind everything is just what make people scared to embrace the technology so we're over here working our A** off because were scared of technology. Imagine life without all your kitchen electronics, ha we'd be working our a** off even more just to eat ! Technology is the only way to advance to a better civilization. But we can't do so with our fear based beliefs behind technology.

But conspiracies are conspiracies for a reason, they aren't real but they serve a GREAT purpose. And that's for us to find out what purpose they serve.
"Without fear there is no love, without love there is no change." Ponder that :p

[Lionheart]

Imagine life without all your kitchen electronics, ha we'd be working our a** off even more just to eat ! Technology is the only way to advance to a better civilization.

This statement makes me think you think Mankind came into existence yesterday.

We have survived just fine without Kitchen Electronics in the past.

People did live and they did achieve their goals in the past. We weren't just a bunch of grunting Neanderthals yesterday! 

I agree to disagree, but that's my personal opinion and it's not going to change soon.

I also made my initial statement that we could change, but first we had to change our mindset as a whole and that this is achieved on a personal level.

The video that Wi11iam posted basically said that we were going to altered into some kind of machine. That we were going to literally be changed into some kind of high tech robot.

Did you watch the video?

[Made O pHI]

We have survived just fine without Kitchen Electronics in the past

Yes but life was also more difficult. Hunting all day just to come home, eat, then sleep. Maybe get a little in with your wife then do it all again the next day. Doesn't sound much like a life to me.

I also made my initial statement that we could change, but first we had to change our mindset as a whole and that this is achieved on a personal level.

The video that Wi11iam posted basically said that we were going to altered into some kind of machine. That we were going to literally be changed into some kind of high tech robot.

Did you watch the video?

Sorry, I didn't see that. But yes I agree with that first statement.

No I didn't watch it either lol. I just seen your comment so I assumed it was talking about how our technology would advance and better us, not turn us into cyborgs.
That's fault on my part, I aploogize.

[Astralzombie]

I just don't see consciousness creating a physical world so we can create cool stuff. That seems pointless to me from an evolutionary standpoint. Physical existence is on only temporary even if it goes on for billions of more years and just repeats.

There are at least two things that all the great people who have tried to change humanity as a whole, have in common. They worked on changing themselves for the better and they failed at changing anyone else. Simple as that. I'm not saying they didn't make a great difference in the lives of many people but everyone they helped in the long run had to first change themselves. We can inspire people but we can't change them.

Conspiracy theories are not from fear but from realization. We have been lied to time and time again. I don't put any concern in any theory because I can barely maintain the illusion of control in my own little world. I'm not gonna bang my head against the wall of changing mankind for the better. It's not even possible. We will never all agree on what better is. Your grand society may be someone else's version of hell on earth.

We are all free to believe what we want. I see the same things happening over and over again and no motivation in most people to change. The easier tech makes our lives, the easier we want it to get. Who said this was supposed to be about easy meals and such?

Sorry Will. I know you want to keep us all on track but you can't change us.

[Bedeekin]

Conspiracy theories are not from fear but from realization. We have been lied to time and time again.

All things considered and apart from the Watergate scandal... what actual BIG lie has ever been found out?

[Lionheart]

 Like I said before. What I stated is not about Conspiracies.

You can watch all the new tech on the Sci Fi and the Military Channel. It's loaded with new technology and how they wish to use it get a footing on the enemy.

The History Channel is getting into showing this now as well, in Documentary form. Modern Marvels even has a show based on new tech and it's applications for the future.

This is completely out in the open, you just need to open your eyes to see it.  Well I'm sure there is a lot that isn't open to public discussion yet. 

There are some pretty fascinating things being created now, that will have some use in Future battles.

Some of them are being created to control the enemies minds, to alter there emotions and confuse them. These are based around sound and frequency though.

[Astralzombie]

All things considered and apart from the Watergate scandal... what actual BIG lie has ever been found out?

I really don't put much thought into conspiracies but I will call them as I see them.

Well, I guess this comes down to what we choose to believe as truth. Again, truth can't be pushed on anyone. Since you mentioned Watergate, You have set a very high standard since Nixon did the unbelievable and actually admitted guilt. A rarity even when caught red handed.

But for me, it's more about the little things that just keep adding up. We can't wait around for admissions since we don't need someone to admit to the lie to know they lied. Without much details, since they are mostly well known, I will give examples that are relevant to me in no particular order.

Galileo having to recant his belief in how the planets revolve around the sun.

All things alien but Roswell in particular.

The Gulf of Tonkin.

Columbus discovering America. Why is is still being taught today?

Ask any Native American if they have been lied to by a government

The Iran-contra deal and Reagan's prior knowledge of.

Reefer Madness-Govt. sponsored movie to demonize cannabis

JFK assassination. Give me a break, that the gov tells us what they know

All things Obama and the fast and Furious crap

Obama

It took years for the gov to admit prior warning of Pearl Harbor being attacked

and of course, how smurfette can be the only female smurf yet not be the mother of all the rest.

I left some obvious stuff out since I am not convinced one way or another like 9-11 and such.

[Volgerle]

plus, many admitted and proven false flags by governments (e.g. Northwoods where they asked Kennedy to have Americans killed to blame it on Kuba to invade it later; or in Europe where we had state-sponsored terrorism without a doubt by Operation Gladio / Stay-Behind-Network),  and also the brutal mind control programs such as MKULTRA, there are documents about this, even as pdfs online to read

look what's going in in Libya and Syria now, child-murdering terrorists are funded by our 'free world' to bring down governments

and yeah, there's 9-11, nuff said 

this world is a mad place indeed

[Bedeekin]

I will admit that I didn't expect you to have that many good examples.  

Nice one.

I am rather bemused that people tend to see the government as a big omnipotent force... when in fact they are useless and very bad at keeping secrets.

Anyway... we are going so off thread we are sowing a completely different garment.

[Astralzombie]

Anyway... we are going so off thread we are sowing a completely different garment.

False Flags!! Thank you Volgerle, I could not think of that term.

I forgot the poor Tuskegee Airmen.

I can only imagine poor William when he sees what we have done to his thread. I don't want to be around when that happens.

[Szaxx]

Its still related to the thread. Its our physical world and Watergate was a stinker. I remember it too. The military armaments of today youll not see for decades. Smart mines were being made in the early 80's. It's a different scene totally.
Governments are covered well already, they are a slow moving machine with a key few in the know. The rest use 'others' for real advice the world over.
Its a crazy world and to fit in you sometimes have no choice but to follow orders.

I cant see people being electronically controlled just yet. Emotional values are too strong. Once conditioned ....
Will has a point on our evolution. To boldly go further will involve our conciousness, a developing mind is where this technology would work best. Lets face the facts, the first few years of life wire our brains in a big way. Open some doors here and you never know the limits.

[Wi11iam]

You do understand that we are trying to discuss a theory, right? Even though I'm on board with a lot of what we are discussing, this is all conjecture.

No it is not a theory Simon.  It is actually happening...the conjecture is that Consciousness (that aspect working in relation to our planet) is in a position where it can fully protect its agenda from the human drama...but that is most likely pretty accurate.

Short of some major catastrophic natural event happening which could seriously maim or destroy the machinery, this will eventuate.

Neither is it conjecture in relation to the rest of the Galaxy - and Galaxies.  Consciousness is working in all of these, certainly in every one it has access to.

Is it conjecture to assume that since we have no evidence of this that we alone are the only planet in the universe with consciousness?

Be that as it may, Consciousness exists here, and it moving to go out there...and that is not conjecture.

[Szaxx]

This promotes Wills thoughts. It's quite old now.
http://www.sirgeorgetrevelyan.org.uk/tht-consciousness.html

[Lionheart]

and of course, how smurfette can be the only female smurf yet not be the mother of all the rest.

That's the grandaddy of them all, lol! 

Yes, Wi11iam, I/we apologize for hijacking your thread. But on the brighter side, more people are responding now! 

I hope you see how we can learn, but also have a bit of harmless humor injected into a discussion.

Not everythng has to be so serious all the time! 

[Astralzombie]

I keep my posts set up to warn me that another post had been made while I was typing. Let's just say that I would have felt like a horse's rear if i had made my post before reading what Lion had to say.

Sorry to be so literal Will, but the definition of conjecture is to basically guess off of little to no objective evidence.

But I am not following you on why consciousness as a whole needs to expand and explore it's own creation. I'm sure artists need to stop and admire their work and take note of how they accomplished their work but they don't need to explore it since it comes from them. It is an extension of themselves in a way and they know inside and out.