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[psychedelia]

hello my name is ryan i am 17 ive never used this part of the forum and would like to know proof behind magic(if there is any) im just very skeptic on things until i learn about them.     the only thing ive read on spells was a dream recall spell and it simply was drink chamomile tea and chant this spell about you will recall your dreams three times before bed.......sounds like a load of bs to me more or less mental imprenting(telling your self to do something so you will)


thanks for the help:)

[NoY]

magic means that which cant be explained with science, nothing more

:NoY:

[Xanth]

magic means that which cant be explained with science, nothing more

:NoY:

I'd change a couple words.

Magic means that which hasn't been explained with science. 

[psychedelia]

i like that definition hmmm that greatly works as an explination. with that said what is an example of science in your mind??    trying to get the hang of describing and recongnizing it lol

[Killa Rican]

Now when you say "magic" I assume you don't mean stage tricks and illusions, as there is actually a difference. Using the word Magick is referring to sorcery and energy manipulation.

Magick is an attempt to manipulate others & reality itself through your "subconscious". Intent. Will. There's some practitioners that say you must "Believe" in what your casting in, in order for it to work. There's others that say it's okay to be passive about it when your casting a spell since it will work anyways. But most if not all practitioners agree that when your doing energy work, you have to put your HEART into it!

As for Magick being "everything" added with what's not explained by science yet, I'd say about 50/50 if you try to look at it through that lens. The same way money makes this world go round, is the same way Magick makes this universe go around. Minds have more significance then Materialism and New Age will allow it. It's so much more then "mental imprinting". Your heart & commitment needs to be put into it, not your "belief".

As for the dream spell you mentioned I will share my experience to give you an idea. After an emotional crisis that happened to me 2 years back that "grounded" me into this world, and completely blocked me off from spiritually advancing, I couldn't dream, I couldn't meditate, I couldnt ap/obe, I couldn't do anything. Every night was dreamless, and even when I did dream, it was nothing significant as it was nothing besides subconscious "Fluff" replaying itself. My girlfriends uncle is a practitioner in Santeria, and he knew about my personal problems, as it was also hindering my will to advance. No techniques I've read online could help me, I was far past that point. He made a small sachet for me, mixed with Oil & herbs, It took a few hours for him to make and cast. He said It will help me induce lucid dreams If I smell into the sachet every night right before I go to bed. I wasn't skeptical about it but neither was I entirely open. He didnt give me a time frame either he just said to "Do it".

One night before I go to bed I inhale the strong scents deeply, and lay down and rest.. 1st night I didnt feel a difference.. 2nd Night I do it again, I start getting small dreams again that seem like something more then my "subconscious" replaying stuff about ordinary life. As I started to do it more and more, I didn't start lucid dreaming yet, But I found my Dream memory recall was improving. Not only did I remember my dreams in almost full detail, The dreams themselves started becoming more crisp, more vibrant, more vividness, more sharpness, and added depth to it, shortly overtime until finally, I broke the barrier where my "awareness" made it through, and I started to induce lucid dreams again, on my own.

The way magick works is not always about having instant results, It's about making an outcome happen through non-physical means. The non-physical will use the physical as "tools" and carve a pathway for you in order to get your will to be done. New Age will tell you stuff like it's all "inside" your head", Or as they would say "believe" and you will make it "real", but as I said It's so much more then that. When you evoke energies, They are DEFINITELY outside you, you need to train yourself to sense and manipulate energies.

Magick is not an instant miracle but a tool both to aide and improve your life. It will not work if you put out negative energy in regards to it's manifestation. Your doubt and negativity can actually negate and nullify the magick from working either that or it will backfire.

A Gambling Spell will not make you win EVERY time but it will help you win MORE. A Weight Loss Spell will not work if you sit on the couch eating 'Bon-Bons'(or Snickers, Ice Cream, Pasta, etc...) every day, all day long but it will alter your metabolism, give you increased will power and thus faster weight loss if you try.

You must work WITH your chosen Spell(s) to bring about the most positive and effective manifestation. Watch for signs and follow them, take advantage of the opportunities placed before you by the Forces of Magick and manipulations of energetic intent.

Finally, if your still skeptical about Magick, It wouldn't hurt to do a little more research on the subject as they are many systems and methods, also you should probably seek out a few "occult" forums to have your questions answered by people who actually do practice these concepts for a living and make it their life..

Hope this helps.  

[psychedelia]

wow haha that was quite the post lol but thanks!

[gdo]

Well there are several uses of the term Magic.   
We  all know of the  Stage Illusionists. 
Then there is Ceremonial Magic and that is much different and lots of folks think they are doing it.  Ceremonial Magic is often also called Ritual Magic.  There are people who can and do
perform Ceremonial or Ritual Magic.  These are not involved at stunning an audience or self-serving ego gratification.  Not all persons involved in this are entitled to the term Magician.

There are some good books to read and I might suggest those of Eliphas Levi for a start.  They will not teach you how to do magic but will explain alot.  They are not that easy to read either. 

[Ihopeso]

hello my name is ryan i am 17 ive never used this part of the forum and would like to know proof behind magic(if there is any) im just very skeptic on things until i learn about them.     the only thing ive read on spells was a dream recall spell and it simply was drink chamomile tea and chant this spell about you will recall your dreams three times before bed.......sounds like a load of bs to me more or less mental imprenting(telling your self to do something so you will)


thanks for the help:)

Well the word Magic/Magick Tomatoe/Tamotoe (whatever these pathetic "new age" occultists want to call it) is a word that has been corrupted. Before Magic/Magick was another word for Energy. You've got your "good" energy and your "bad"/ Negative and Positive. Do you know that you use Magic/Magick every single day? Whatever thought forms you've imposed onto this Special word, I suggest you dissolve them as soon as possible.
Then, you can continue to expand your consciousness and learn how to manipulate Energy/Magic.

New Age will tell you stuff like it's all "inside" your head", Or as they would say "believe" and you will make it "real", but as I said It's so much more then that. When you evoke energies, They are DEFINITELY outside you, you need to train yourself to sense and manipulate energies.




Hope this helps.  

As for you....

The Khabs is in the Khu,
not the Khu in the Khabs.


Exaplained: Energy/Magick is in the man not man in the Energy/Magick. Meaning there is no "out here" my friend, everything takes place within. I recommend that you also do your homework. If you think your thoughts come from "outside yourself" then your thoughts are not your own my friend, and in this state of mind you will be like a sitting duck.