Cassiopaens and Pleiadians

[chill]

Ok.

[xx(]

[chill]

From another source :

« We are the Cassiopaeans.  We are 6th density beings of
light.  We live in a state called Omnipresence and we
transcend all densities.  We are The Transient Passengers who
speak from the Crest of the Wave.  We ARE Where We Are: at
the "front line" of the Universe's system of natural balance.
The Wave is an all-encompassing reality change, a Realm
Border crossing, a collision of densities which is moving
toward Earth.  When it was "at" Orion, we were "Orions." When
we communicated from the Pleiades, we were "Pleiadians." When
we reach Earth we will merge with you.  We are "you" in the
future. »

[chill]

The way those cassio... can't register this name, isn't 'Cassio' a brand name for watches ? anyway they speak strange because they are channeled using a ouija board and a bored middle-age overweight woman who can't get laid who operates the board.

I guess all this channeling can be dismissed, as a ouija board is used. Ouija board is a no-no : one can only channel low-life entities with it. While the pendulum will get you hooked up with a Pleiadian in a snap, well maybe not right away as you start out with a guide then a different type of guide, then a Zeta, anyway.

I think that I need to go to bed now.

[James S]

Yes, the "Cassio's" - higher realm entities that provide channelers with information on how to build watches and music keyboards. []

Sorry if this is being a bit blunt, but the way these beings are being portrayed by this channeler, they sound like they're up themselves!

Regards,
James.

[Hephaestus]

James, the channelings have been going on since 93 and are still happening, there are mass reasources available to read the channelings and at first when I read only a small number of them I too felt the cassios [] were odd - but only when you've read them ALL do you realise the Cassiopeans arnt at all 'up themselves' and unlike the Zeta and reptilian channelings the cassio channelings are DEEP, extremely WISE and extremeley INFORMATIVE.

What I find interesting is just how few people know about the cassiopean channelings, everyone seems to know about the zeta channelings etc but not the Casseopeans yet the casseopean channelings have been going on for about a decade and there are masses of resources on their channelings.
I think people should really start to read the cassios channelings, you'll see the difference between their channelings and that of the zetas straight away - unlike the zetas who give you immediate answers the cassios actually make you research this stuff so you get proof their answers are true - throughtout the channelings the people who receieve the channelings do research throughout.

Now i'm only 'keeping an open mind' when it comes to this, I always have doubts with channelings and ive already spoken out against the Zeta and Reptilain channelings because I have a distinct feeling of being led up the garden path with them - the Cassio channelings however I dont get that feeling and although I admit they too could be manipulating us I can give them more of a benefit of the doubt.

[James S]

Fair enough Heph. The thing I was thinking at the time is it seems to make a big difference what kind of "spin" the channeler puts on the comms. This woman does seem to make them sound like snobs.

James.

[shaman]

As to the stars in the sky, not particularly to the constellation of Casiopea (the famous "W" shape next to the little bear) or to the open star cluster Pleiades (part of the constellation Taurus), it is written in Kabbalah that all the stars in the sky have been given names and that to each one of them an angel has been assigned. That makes many, many entities in the astral. This goes up to 10^11 (100,000,000,000) stars per galaxy, and there are many galaxies in the Universe.... So, according to that source, the emptiness of space is full of angels everywhere. Which agrees with the "being of lights" that you described.

[Nay]

Hope ya don't mind me tacking this on your topic, but came across it while looking in old threads..this is from 2002. [^]

http://home.earthlink.net/~pleiadesx/starquiz.htm

I scored a 70. []  I do not get the naked questions though, what does that have to do with anything? []

Nay

[MAYATNIK]

Regarding some members' interest in the Cassiopaeans.....

This is good.  And, in fact, members should not overlook such as the Arcturians either, or the Andromedans, and similar... as well as our own channelings from the Pleiadians and Zeta – to add to perception.     Each of these has their purpose at this time in coming into the consciousness of the people of Earth.  Each presents a 'facet', and particularly a 'hook' that certain people will find themselves attracted to at their present level of perception.

Up till now, on the Earth, our History has shown from our dealings with other humans sharing this planet of ours a 'them and us' mentality that is part of the conditioning that has held back our evolution from what it could have been in our growth.  Very recently though, a new 'wave' of consciousness by people is allowing a focus on what was hitherto seen as 'alien' in our own society, our own people of Earth.... And so, in small steps, people are beginning to see that we are all Family Of Man, wherever we are.  Many are now questioning our leaders who still promote war or at least strong denial of what the reality really is in situations, in order to obtain <peace> (essentially, return to their <comfort zone> way of thinking, and the promulgation of the 'them and us' to sustain this).  Now emerging, over the last few decades, has been the awareness of not just that which has been 'alien' to our backyard perception of reality in what is on the surface of our planet, but the off-planet 'aliens' now reaching more and more into our perception for examination and coming to terms with.

So it is, that what has actually been there (and there is evidence going back millennia) all the time, is now coming to the forefront as new 'knowledge' is placed before us by these 'off-planetarians' (the Russian literal translation of the word ETs, i.e. Extra-Terrestrial Beings, a more acceptive connotation than the word 'alien').   Due to heavy conditioning, Man is still highly suspicious and therefore polarized views colour his perception as these 'new' Beings arrive on the doorstep of his limited perspective.

It is not so long ago, that America was hysterical about the notion given to them by their government that the Russians could be infiltering everywhere (the so-called "Reds under the bed").   This had incited  in the people totally misfounded mistrust, as recently published  government archives have revealed along with admissions that  the government had simply  'assumed', in their fear of the unknown about those 'alien people', that the Russians might be a threat and that it was the 'confused interpretation' of their <intelligence (??) sources> that had put them in that spin.   What has been learned from that lesson regarding our interaction with others?  Because from earthbound introspection and delusion Man is now encountering more and more other realms wider than our earthbound perception but which nevertheless can be related to, with the right will, by common sense and intuition along with 'local' lessons in our History that should have been learned... because now humans are encountering the Wider Family off-planet; those Beings in our Galaxy who are trying to teach people things from their greater wisdom because they see far more than man sees in his 'backyard' view.   Things are NOT the way they seem.  So, dissecting (the 'mocroscope' mentality of science) prevents seeing the greater whole, and it is not in the 'surface' or minutae but how it relates to Earth-perception as a whole... and it can not be therefore expected to accord with present perception so any relating can only be at a tangent, hence the need to keep an 'open' mind on new things rather than basing an evaluation on the 'set in stone' assumptions that have accumulated over the ages whether these be societal or psychological or misperceptual 'Tales of the Unknown' derived.

In all communication it is the perception of the receiver that is important as to whether the <information> will get through the 'fog' and be understood.  And understanding of what is heard is but a step along the way, never complete in itself.  In this way, even the obvious may often not be obvious to the recipient of a channelling (the reader of what is transcribed by the channeler) and yet has been clearly said.

As an example, from the Cassiopaeans above:
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are "Orions". When from Pleiades, we are "Pleiadian", and so on.
Q: (L) So, all of these channeled books you have mentioned are coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that they are able to connect with because of their different positions in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that correct?
A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where we are and speak. Get it?
Q: (L) You are the wave crest?
A: We are Marciniak's Pleiadians. We are where we are.
Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation Cassiopeia?
A: We are Transient Passengers.

What lies behind all this extra-planetary interaction that is reaching the Earth at this time is all for one purpose, whatever the 'source' may seem to be.  All is, as the Pleiadians say, thus "allowed" by the rules of the Higher Realms, many of which rules are not comprehended by those on Earth but are in place to ensure our growth without interference with our Free Will.   And so, it is important for our growing perception to encounter this 'unknown' in the variety of such transmissions and subsequent interaction from people.  The Cassiopaeans describe it as a 'wave'; it is a 'wave of perception', and, like any wave it causes interaction as people 'bob up and down' in that current wave they perceive – whether it be from the Pleiadians, the Cassiopaeans, the Zeta or whoever, it is all from the sea of Knowledge that is now washing our consciousnesses carrying particles of Truth for us to gain from.  By going with the 'flow' each successive wave, rather than bringing turbulence of thought to cause panic in the waves of these new waters we are beginning to swim in, should be seen as an opportunity to calmly discuss what these various interactions are bringing, and thus a state of buoyancy is then achieved where we can begin to swim with meaningful strokes and absence of fear in the sea of galactic evolution.

Whatever the 'name' of the channeled species, they are working together – each with their own 'agenda' to assist.  This means, essentially, that each is bringing a 'facet' that one or another will immediately identify with according to their present perception, and then by discussion it can be seen that the other 'facets' are really part of one and the same; this is the nature of perception, and the way in which we grow if we do not polarize.

Polarisation of thought is not productive, since it is 'exclusive' by definition.  And if we exclude other input then we deny ourselves the opportunity to learn new things.  New things will only appear 'good' if the person perceives this to be so, and polarization defines the lack of this 'attribute' perceived as then being 'bad' when really it is only a matter of the person's perception in a narrow (i.e. polarized) view.

'Taking the Middle Ground' is an oft quoted philosophy for achieving 'balance' by so-called 'impartial inspection'.  In reality, those who do so often remain there, forever seeking to mimimize the often widely fluctuating excursions of people's thoughts and seeing them as irrational, whichever 'side of the see-saw' they are perceived to be on.  So, that again is not going to provide the 'answer' being sought, only a minimization of perturbations, and any increasing acceptance of taking the 'middle ground' merely goes forward in a linear fashion ignoring all at the 'sides', in the periphery of perception.

Both Polarization and 'Middle Ground' thinking have been variously the root cause of most problems in a world that has centred and oriented itself on Religion and Philosophy from these 'concepts'.

Applying common sense however, will reveal that in a see-saw's movements (to retain this analogy, and the 'wave' is a similar analogy) the more extreme the movements are seen to be then the harder it is to achieve 'balance'.  Yet, what is balance?  It is not 'middle ground', because that implies stasis, an absence of movement or at the very least a restriction of that movement.  So, we should not restrict that which is new from coming into our perception, and if the  Universe was to reach stasis then all life would cease because life IS movement and especially of thought.  Thus, what is being presented now from the Galaxy contains 'difference' in aspects – and this is necessary for us, so that we can examine and discuss.... both the 'detail' of what is said and what it might mean, and also the implications that arise when we consider our present perceptions – and that is to promote change in our perception, and therefore growth in our evolution.

Each of these species, rather than being in opposition to each other, are in concert.  The whole thing is orchestrated at a Galactic level to bring us new awareness as we encounter the 'waves', the bringers of movement that rocks our <comfort zone> 'middle ground' thinking to promote change through altered perception if we listen with positive openness and apply common sense and intuition to shed the conditioning that society ('civilization' through the ages) has imposed to colour and dull our senses until now.  In this way we are being Awakened to a New Dawn.

We channelers, in our Telepathy Project group here on the Astral Pulse, present both the Teachings (gentle introduction of new ways to look at things) of the Pleiadians – through our individual guides – and also the Zeta.  Both these 'sources' are in accord, but present in their own way.  They in actuality work together on the Earth Project, as do the Arcturians for example who have donated their Mothership technology for all those species who are present in our locality at this time to work onboard.  Others, not centrally involved in this way, are nevertheless contributing various 'aspects' that have been preplanned to bring to the consciousness of humans at this time, and is all part of the Greater Plan.

So, please do not see channelings – from whatever species – as being 'good', 'bad', or 'rubbish' according to your perception.  Those emotive words cause polarization and the thought-forms so generated by individuals who respond in negative ways only confuses further.  Perception of 'good' and 'bad' is only what humans know, from their local and very limited viewpoint, and is entirely coloured by conditioning (largely from religions, and these have 'set in stone' those notions).  We channelers of the Pleiadians and Zeta know much about this that we do NOT tell you, because these are things for you to learn from interaction and discussion of the various differences you perceive around you.  If we were to tell you the truth about these things then you would be denied the opportunity to learn about them, and would only be able to accept what we said there as 'blind belief' and that is not the way forward.  So, we are asked by our guides to only reveal that which they wish to be made public at any time.  And that we adhere to, as part of the Greater Plan which all species are working in and similarly present in their own various ways to you.   Please do not treat these words I say as some kind of ego-centred 'exclusivity' in knowledge we are given and do not pass on.  Neither should the guides be regarded as "treating people like children" in an arrogant sense.  The guides have Unlimited Love and Compassion, and that is why they only introduce what is needed at the time in ANY channelings.  Much of the reality from those realms is far beyond that which science or the 'rational' analysis can perceive from one 'wave' of this new knowledge, and it takes the combined 'facets' that are deliberately presented by each species to build up an altered perception ...... which will then lead to the ability to see the true reality.  A good Teacher builds and does not overwhelm with that which is new, because otherwise it defeats the object and nothing is learned and so could only be accepted as 'blind belief' (yet another 'religion') or total misunderstanding from present perception (and which perception must gradually grow before people can know as opposed to 'believing').

Finally, there is still a misperception about what 'channeling' is, and that does not help since it causes the fear syndrome to continue; fear that channelings may deceive; fear that channelings may influence people to think differently and so rock the <comfort zone> of the person who feels they must object to these channelings "for a person's own good" or whatever reason they come up with to interfere with the Free Will of others to examine what they don't wish to look at as it worries and often frightens them; fear that the channelings are 'evil' (which implies to damn us forever if we listen to them – whereas, in reality, ALL should be viewed not from the narrowness of religious conditioning but from common sense of content to be examined with a positive approach).   And then, there is the perennial chestnut – "Is it accurate".  This you cannot know, and should stop worrying about it, until you have examined it thoroughly in as much reading of that as you can manage.  And even then - after all that - it will be according to your perception and your openness and receptivity to all things new, how well you really understand what is being said.

The question of <accuracy> in what is received (actually6, what is published rather than just 'received' if the channeler is a good one and is working according to the instructions of their guide) is subject to much confusion in people encountering channelings - apart from the fact that, as I have said, only 'steps along the way' are revealed in channelings and not the full picture anyway so 'accuracy' is a non-definable word in that respect since it can not be evaluated from limited knowledge.  We have come through a time when such as Trance-Channelings (typically the acknowledged very accurate channelings of such as Edgar Cayce) are contrasted against 'contact' that people may have from time to time with so-called 'spirits'.  Since much of this 'spirit' communication in our recent history has been done by people using such as ouija boards (proven to be dangerous, since they attract lower-entities like elementals and such), and, on the less frivolous/ad-hoc level via meditation in semi-trance state there is the common view – promoted by 'New Age Thinking' that all are <channels> when this is very much NOT the case.  All those forms of 'contact' (ouija board or meditation etc, for example) are merely experiences along the way in Man's perception, and are only part of the spectrum of etheric perception that started at those levels and is now at a new stage.  The criteria to judge channelings starts with the question "Has that person shed their preconditioning?" – in other words, have they put behind them past notions, and this will be evidenced in the channelings that will often show a marked difference to present societal perception.  And, have YOU put behind you preconceptions that prevent you from reading or absorbing, to seek new foundations, these new and often strange (to your present perception) channelings from whatever species, be they Cassiopaeans, Pleiadian, Zeta or whatever?  Clearly, unless you know they are correct then you cannot say they are not.  And you cannot know until you read them, and think with common sense and intuition, about all things that are presently in your <comfort zone> and are now being brought into question by these channelings.   KNOWING means simply arriving at that altered perception, not a retention of the current perception that rejects those things.  In that way you get past the 'belief' barrier of conditioning and can then cross new frontiers of open exploration, and that is what these channelings are all about – to enable mankind to grow and evolve.  Because we are children of the stars, and our 'parents' beyond the playroom door of our brightly coloured 'models' that are our early perceptions are now teaching us the true reality, a reality that is not what it seems right now.

All these things I have given here on the instructions of my guide who is a Pleiadian, channeled to help you put the various pieces of the jig-saw puzzle together regarding differences in channelings.  I don't find a problem in those differences, since they are only 'aspects' of the same thing and presented deliberately in contrast.  I talk every day also with the Zeta, but do not channel them often explicitly because my interaction with them is mainly for checking details, and I have in fact been in communication with the Zeta since 1995 on a regular basis (my intitial contacts were with the Zeta, for many hours each day, before getting my Pleiadian guide).  And I have talked with quite a number of other species in the galaxy.  So, I have more than abundant knowledge regarding why and how they are all working together on the Earth Project.  In fact, I find that any 'differences' are only those perceived by some who read their channelings and I have found in actually talking to these species no contradictions - but then, as I've already said, not all of what I'm given am I permitted to reveal at this time... and in that there are things which make it all come together.  It will only be by examining all that you encounter with an open positive approach will that point be reached.  And so I leave you to examine how these pieces, the 'aspects', all fit together -becaue that is for you to do. Channelers can only present what is needed for the time.  I have done what I have been asked here.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[Colin]

I also scored 70.

[Hephaestus]

I dont understand how we can accept the channelings from all the species such as the Cassiopeans AND Zetas etc and consider them all correct. You see in the Zeta thread they said the Cassiopeans are a good source of information, yet if you take the trouble to actually read the Cassiopean channelings (and there are MANY) they explicitly state that the Reptilians are from the star system Zeta Reticuli and the Grays are the Reptilians slaves (genetically engineered slaves), it also explicitly states that the information on the Zetatalk website is wrong and the person who owns the site doesnt get her info from any channeling but infact by simply discovering different bits of info and trying to piece them together.
Now not only this but there are MASS differences from what the different channeling groups say - you see the Reps and Zetas say planet X is on its way and the annunaki came from Nibiru and helped humanity etc but the Cassiopeans clearly state that there is NO planet X and that what we call planet X and Nibiru is infact a tight cluster of comets that pass through the inner solar system every 3600 years, it was a previous passing of these comets that wiped out the dinosaurs - also they say the Annunaki came from Zeta Reticuli like the Reptilians and the Annunaki enslaved the human race.
Now I dont see how the Zetas can say the cassiopeans are a good source of info when just about EVERYTHING the cassiopeans say is different to what the Zetas and Reptilians say.
The Cassiopeans have been clear in explaining that the Reptilians are the bad guys and the Grays do their bidding.
In the Zeta thread the zetas have stated Jesus was crucified, the Cassiopeans hacve clearly stated Jesus was NOT crucified.

The differences in information between the different channeling groups is GINORMOUS and cannot go ignored.

All channelings from the cassiopeans from 1994 to 2002 can be downloaded here: http://www.geocities.com/trixy3992/
I suggest they are read in FULL, and then ALL people can see the difference in information and see just how VAST the differences are.

One group is right and one group is wrong - either that or both groups are wrong. But I cant see how the Zetas say the cassios are an excellent source when clearly the Cassios info is far different from the zetas and the Cassios are clear that the species that come from Zeta Reticuli are NOT 'good'.

There is CLEARLY something not right here.

Now I dont want anyone coming to me now and telling me im wrong in this because ive read all info channeled from the Cassios and Zetas and the differences are too great to assume im reading it all wrong. I suggest nobody comes back until they've read ALL the cassio channelings and then you too will realise the differences are massive.

[Hephaestus]

Keep this in mind - quoted from Zeta thread:

quote:5) What can you tell me about the cassiopaeans?

Z: The cassiopaeans are also involved with earth, and the channelings are genuine. The information they present is allright and can without doubt be considered

Quoted from the Zeta thread:

quote:Orcher: Q1: If Jesus never crucified, then how was the end of his story?

Z: Jesus was crucified.

Quoted from a Cassio channeling:

quote:Q: (L) Was Jesus crucified?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was somebody crucified?
A: Too vague.
Q: (L) Was somebody crucified on a cross and represented to be Jesus?
A: No.
Q: (L) There was no crucifixion, there was no resurrection after three days, is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Okay, what is the truth on that matter?
A: Left earth plane on ship after extended sleep state.
Q: (L) When did he go into this sleep state? Did he just go in one day and go to bed and go to sleep and then a
ship came and picked him up?
A: Close.
Q: (L) So he appeared to his followers to have died?
A: They thought this.

This is another interesting quote from a Cassio channeling, not related to the Jesus info:

quote:Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?
A: Lizard beings.
Q: (L) Where do they come from: earth or another planet?
A: Other.
Q: (L) What planet from?
A: Qaddeera.
Q: (L) What star system is that in?
A: Zeta Reticuli.
Q: (L) Are the little gray beings from Zeta Reticuli also?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are the little gray beings...
A: Cybergenetic.
Q: (L) Are they created by the lizards?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they have souls?
A: They are Decoys.
Q: (L) Are the Lizzies currently with us?
A: Near.
Q: (L) Are the Lizzies planning to take over our planet?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are they planning on landing and doing this openly?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Do they utilize such things as possession by dark energy forms to effect their control?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What other groups are they in cahoots with?
A: Orions.
Q: (L) How many members are there in the Orion/Lizzie group?
A: 16.
Q: (L) Who are the good guys? You say the Cassiopaeans are the good guys. Who else?
A: Pleiadeans and many others.
Q: (L) How many?
A: 16.

Cassios speaking about the Anunaki:

quote:Q: (L) Who were the Annunaki?
A: Aliens.
Q: (L) Where were they from?
A: Zeta Reticuli?
Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is approaching to sap the souls energy created by the
fear, chaos and so forth?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so to speak, approaching our planet?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Where are these ships from?
A: Zeta Reticuli.
Q: (L) When will they arrive?
A: 1 month to 18 years.

[MAYATNIK]

HEPHAESTUS,

Thank you for listing the 'differences' as you see them in the channelings, because we can now look at these as highlighted examples to examine.

The whole of my post above was about viewing channelings like the pieces of a jig-saw puzzle – and in virtually every sentence was contained a clue to help sort these pieces of information out that are channelled.  I used words such as 'polarization', 'middle-ground', 'them and us' and gave analogies to aid understanding to cause a shift in present perception – since those 'keys' I emphasized have beset mankind in his history to hold him back from growth due to conditioning.  The first object of channelings is to break that conditioning so that people can then begin to see clearly so that 'factor' is built in along with <information> that can be researched or common sense and intuition applied after considering what conditioning may be fogging in the reader's perception.  Throughout, discussion should take place so that people of whatever perception can examine what others are finding as the pieces begin to fall into place.  In that way a higher perspective can then be reached.

There were also key passages in my post that focussed on various aspects, to emphasize points, and I give these here to highlight for review (refer to my original post for full context), so that they can be examined more closely for the important clues that are pointed to.

1:

quote: members should not overlook such as the Arcturians either, or the Andromedans, and similar... as well as our own channelings from the Pleiadians and Zeta – to add to perception. Each of these has their purpose at this time in coming into the consciousness of the people of Earth. Each presents a 'facet', and particularly a 'hook' that certain people will find themselves attracted to at their present level of perception.

KEYWORDS:
perception,
purpose,
consciousness,
'facet',
'hook'.
Attracted to.


2:

quote: What lies behind all this extra-planetary interaction that is reaching the Earth at this time is all for one purpose, whatever the 'source' may seem to be. All is, as the Pleiadians say, thus "allowed" by the rules of the Higher Realms, many of which rules are not comprehended by those on Earth but are in place to ensure our growth without interference with our Free Will. And so, it is important for our growing perception to encounter this 'unknown' in the variety of such transmissions and subsequent interaction from people.

KEYWORDS:
lies behind,
whatever the 'source',
"allowed" by the rules of the Higher Realms,
ensure our growth,
Free Will,
Growing perception,
Encounter in the variety of transmissions,
Subsequent interaction from people.


3:

quote: Whatever the 'name' of the channeled species, they are working together – each with their own 'agenda' to assist. This means, essentially, that each is bringing a 'facet' that one or another will immediately identify with according to their present perception, and then by discussion it can be seen that the other 'facets' are really part of one and the same; this is the nature of perception, and the way in which we grow if we do not polarize.

KEYWORDS:
Working together,
Each with own 'agenda',
To assist,
Bringing a 'facet',
One or another will identify with,
According to present perception,
Other 'facets' [part of the whole].
We grow if we do ot polarize.

4:

quote: Each of these species, rather than being in opposition to each other, are in concert. The whole thing is orchestrated at a Galactic level to bring us new awareness as we encounter the 'waves', the bringers of movement that rocks our <comfort zone> 'middle ground' thinking to promote change through altered perception if we listen with positive openness and apply common sense and intuition to shed the conditioning that society ('civilization' through the ages) has imposed to colour and dull our senses until now. In this way we are being Awakened to a New Dawn.

KEYWORDS:
In concert – orchestrated at Galactic level.
New awareness,
Rocks <comfort zone>,
Promotes change,
Altered perception,
Shed conditioning.


5:

quote:So, please do not see channelings – from whatever species – as being 'good', 'bad', or 'rubbish' according to your perception. Those emotive words cause polarization and the thought-forms so generated by individuals who respond in negative ways only confuses further. Perception of 'good' and 'bad' is only what humans know, from their local and very limited viewpoint, and is entirely coloured by conditioning (largely from religions, and these have 'set in stone' those notions).

KEYWORDS:
Emotive words cause polarization,
Negative responses confuse further,
Very limited [human] viewpoint,
'set in stone' notions.

6:
We channelers of the Pleiadians and Zeta know much about this that we do NOT tell you, because these are things for you to learn from interaction and discussion of the various differences you perceive around you. If we were to tell you the truth about these things then you would be denied the opportunity to learn about them, and would only be able to accept what we said there as 'blind belief' and that is not the way forward. So, we are asked by our guides to only reveal that which they wish to be made public at any time. And that we adhere to, as part of the Greater Plan which all species are working in and similarly present in their own various ways to you

KEYWORDS:
Things to learn from interaction,
Perceived differences around you [on Earth],
Opportunity to learn, not 'blind faith',
Only reveal that which they wish at any time,
All species working to Greater Plan,
Presented in their own way.

—o—

Now, to remind members, let's see exactly what it was that the Zeta said about the Cassiopaeans, in reply to the question you'd asked of them in the Zeta Conversations thread channelled by Edi:

(I have highlighted certain keywords here in red,
and my channelled comments in black following.
Parts for special attention are emphasised in bold).

(Question for Zeta from Hephaestus)
5) What can you tell me about the cassiopaeans?

Z: The cassiopaeans are also involved with earth, and the channelings are genuine.
[this means that the channeler received correctly what was transmitted].
The information they present is alright (non-committal) and can without doubt be considered. [scrutinized, looked at carefully].

E: Is it true?

Z: Good question. Apart from the things that would have to be put into the right perspective, they have their own role to play, which is, concentrating on certain issues, denying others, and presenting "information" that can be accepted or not after due consideration. This is what we mean, we cannot tell you "yes, all what they write is true", because on the one hand, it isn't, and on the other hand, you cannot base your decisions about accepting material only on the words of others.

E: Are the cassiopaeans working at your side?

Z: No. [They, quite literally, are not at the side of the speaker.  In addition, they are not part of the 'central group' based on the Mothership for the Earth Project – they, like some others, work independently, but obeying the strict 'rules' of the Federation for the Earth Project].

E: What's the general state with channelings on earth?

Z: You see, there are those that would like to influence to the good, and those that would do the opposite.
[This reference is to the Greater 'good', and not in the sense understood on Earth.  Things that are perceived to be 'bad' on Earth are felt to be 'good' – i.e. the 'right' thing to do – by those people that perform those actions so it is according to their 'perception'.  According to the 'Greater Good' for ALL in galactic terms, all things must be made right and even 'bad' can be transmuted into 'good' by lessons that are learned.  Evolution is about learning, and if experiences are limited then those lessons of wisdom can not be learned.  So Free Will is given, and all is "allowed" for this to become so, either in choices for good or lessons to be learned otherwise.  This applies not only to humans but to all species in the galaxy (and beyond, though our  galaxy is the concern to understand here)].

Control or liberate. Alien species are allowed to work _through_ people, which means, if someone on earth decides to contact 'bad' being somewhere, he's free to channel them. In this way, all imaginable sorts of information is pulled onto earth.
This leads to confusion if you try to put all into perspective, because not all is true, and not all is what it seems at first sight.
[Whatever the reader of channelings can grasp will be according to his/her perception, and since the channelings are 'facets' and often attract particular types of people they are not presented publically as one 'truth' but according to how they will be received and for many things to be learned from them that are not immediatlely obvious.  Essentially then, channelings are for people to learn from, so all should be considered and not simply passed over.]

All outside sources present information as they see it fit.
['Outside sources' here means all those not directly participating in the core group connected with the Mothership, as the others do not closely work with them and are only bound by the 'rules' of the Federation that allows them to access Earth and its people.  The Cassiopaeans are not in the core-group.  We, the channelers in our group on the Astral Pulse, have discussions with our guides concerning these matters as with many other facets.  But, in working with our guides, only those things that are permitted at any one time can be made public, since otherwise the lessons planned and orchestrated can not be learned by those who read channelings, so we necessarily know more than we can reveal in order to assist the guides at their subtle level of teaching which, for the reader, means breaking conditioning in people.]

E: And how should one deal with that situation?

Z: How to deal with it? Well, to what extent do you let channeled material influence your life? It's stupid to accept anything as fact.
You see, there are lots of things about the history of earth in all channelings, and there are some general lines that seem to make sense. This will all grow clearer over time and is something that needs time to research and develop. What is channeled needs to be backed up by facts on earth that are found by your scientists. So you can build a picture of what is real and what not.
[Here the Zeta are in complete accord with what Hephaestus asserts about the Cassiopaeans encouraging people to research – and in fact I can attest to similar with the Pleiadians as my guide, when I was first being trained by her (I had no human teacher to train me) told me an enormous amount about the history of the Earth, our origins, and Ancient Civilizations.  It was only after being given all that information telepathically, hour after hour every day and week after week, did I discover when she asked me to go to various bookshelves in the shops and pick out at random a number of books... that those books, by channelers (I didn't even know what a 'channeler' was at that time, or that such things were published), translators of Ancient Texts, surveyors and archaeologists and even some non-mainstream physicists of high repute... all had written what I had learned just by telepathy.  I bought the books and took them home.  With great difficulty, due to my very poor eyesight, I read them - verifying that all was indeed as I had been told by my guide, and there were things not in the books that I had been told by her – yet all fitted like pieces of a jig-saw, closely correlating and making sense to give me an amazing new and profound picture of what reality truly was.
Those books I'd been 'directed' to find by choosing seemingly at random from the bookshelves (my guide had said "Run your hand along the shelf until I say 'stop' and then pull out the book your fingers are on") weren't 'random' at all because she obviously knew which books to direct my hand to, and bearing in mind I could not see the titles without the aid of a magnifier since I am Registered Blind.  More books I was later to 'find' were evidence in abundance that all she had told me was true – the 'facts' were written there when I opened those books.  Some of those facts written, she had explained about but told me the errors in them where they existed, and those books sit on my bookshelf (unable to read them again, so great would be the effort and eyestrain) for 'reference' if anyone should need to refer to them – and in fact a list of the most important (and highly or totally accurate) books are now int the Astral Pulse Library, as MAYATNIK's BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS, placed there by Frank, a Moderator, who wanted that booklist along with my reviews of them to be preserved for the benefit of all fuiture members of the AP... so, if you want to research accuracy, then there they are waiting for you.]

E: I'm uncomfortable with channeling historical facts.
Z: This is because you are concentrating on other issues. You don't read as much on it as others do, and channeling it is difficult for you at the moment. Some people concentrate more on the historical and scientific aspects, others are more concerned with people and how they interact.
E: Like me.
Z: So there's nothing else you can do than just letting things evolve by themselves.
[Edi, who I consider to be a well educated person and have enjoyed many good chats with him, is at university whilst I, in contrast, had a very poor education scoring low marks in all but English.  I found no difficulty in channelling 'historic' facts about such as the Sumerians because my guide had told me – story fashion – about it all, how it really was.  I could never have studied those things or any others anyway, due to my virtual blindness.  What I have noticed over these years of channelling since 1995, is that educated people have the most conditioning to shed bccause of how the education 'system' works in instilling only prescribed material and ridiculing that which does not conform to the 'establishment' view.  Despite the restraints of a formal education, Edi has actually shed virtually all of his conditioning to progress and cross new frontiers of perception – and then went on to acquire the skills and high discipline required of a good channeler].

—o—

Let's turn now to Hephaestus's comparison of 'differences' between the Cassiopaean and Zeta/Reptian channelings that he compiled.
(I quote him in dark red)

I dont understand how we can accept the channelings from all the species such as the Cassiopeans AND Zetas etc and consider them all correct

I didn't say they were correct.  if you refer to my quotes 1 to 6  above, you will see that I explained in detail what it was all about... and if you compare those quotes then with the Zeta response to your question regarding the Cassiopaeans you will find that not only do they explain similarly, but they also state categorically that there will be differences and not to just accept things that are channeled, and that not all is true for the reasons explained (and for which I also gave analogies in my previous post above, so that the reasons for  this would be clear once conditioning is put aside, so it would be a good idea to read my post again and think how the analogies can be applied here for a better understanding)..

You simply assumed and that was as a result of misreading, and in places missing altogether, what had been carefully explained.  Many do this because their conditioned 'rational' mind tricks them and they skip over (word blindness) the parts that do not 'fit' what the mind rationalizes to be absolute.  This is why intuition (which does not use the 'rational' part of the mind allows greater 'vision') is therefore able very easily to enhance perception.  That coupled with common sense is the key to understanding what is really being said in a channeling piece.

You see in the Zeta thread they said the Cassiopeans are a good source of information

You see how the word-blindness can come about now?  If you refer to the Zeta response I pasted above (with my comments) you can see that the Zeta gave a lot of information about how to look at the Cassiopaean and other similar channelings.  They did not say it was correct, or even a good source of information.  What they said in brief (refer above for the full) was that it was "genuine" and could without doubt be "considered" (i.e. examined as a valid channeling).


The differences in information between the different channeling groups is GINORMOUS and cannot go ignored

There is CLEARLY something not right here

That much is obvious.  So, let's see what it might be, eh?   And to save endless comparisons we can use common sense and intuition here... and examine a few of the transcript examples you give in your latest post which you added.....

The Zeta said the Cassiopaens' channelings should be 'considered' ...... so, let's consider one example in the light of what the Zeta said about Jesus having been crucified:

Quoted from a Cassio channeling:

Q: (L) Was Jesus crucified?
A: No.
controversial contradiction

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified?
A: Too vague.
The answer doesn't make sense.
It's like asking:
Did a fish get caught this morning? No.
Do fish swim in the water there?   Too vague.
Of course somebody got crucified (whether Jesus was or not).  It was a common occurrence, and thieves (as described in the gospels) were crucified.
Not vague, twas a fact.
Also, there is substantial circumstancial evidence more than adequately researched that supports the whole of the events surrounding the crucifixion, down to small details that are attested to from history by Prof Barbara Thiering and others.

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified on a cross and represented to be Jesus?
A: No.
this is saying that somebody didn't pin a 'label' on some real character and say for history it was 'Jesus' wot died.  That would have been an obvious thing to do, since it was a common occurrence.  So, the 'no' here would seem to imply that since nobody tried to pretend that this 'Jesus' died on a cross then the gospel testimony is very likely true that Jesus did die on a cross, by that inverted 'logic'.


Q: (L) There was no crucifixion, there was no resurrection after three days, is that correct?
A: Close.
How close can you get?
Or, should I say – How close can they get to veiled sarcasm?

Q: (L) Okay, what is the truth on that matter?
A: Left earth plane on ship after extended sleep state.
Implying, if you've swallowed the rest you're likely to swallow this whopper.
No.  This is likely to be true.  Try using your intuition.
(I know the answer to this, but I'm deliberately not using channeling here – putting myself in the shoes of the reader)

Q: (L) When did he go into this sleep state? Did he just go in one day and go to bed and go to sleep and then a
ship came and picked him up?
A: Close.
Not very helpful are they?  Would you invite them to your party?

Q: (L) So he appeared to his followers to have died?
A: They thought this.
Ah... This sounds probable (intuition).
But, hang on...... there's something fishy here.
If he's supposed to have been picked up in a ship ("close" they say)... then he's not there.  He's not only 'died' but disappeared as well.  That's not natural.  Didn't this dawn on them?  I mean, "He wasn't crucified" they say, So..........?
I could think of many questions to ask them about that.


Hephaestus says - This is another interesting quote from a Cassio channeling, not related to the Jesus info:

Ok, Heph.  Let's see what we can make of this one.


Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?
A: Yes.
Too vague.  This is only true in part, according to Zecharia Sitchin, and in fact only concerned one small element in Africa – not the main genetic development area known as the 'Garden of Eden' (The Edyn, in Sumer – 100 miles south of Baghdad, in Iraq as it is known today, as historic evidence shows.

Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?
A: Lizard beings.
This is where you have to think.
There were many 'creator Gods' says Barbara Marciniak.
The 'caduceus', the entwined serpent emblem of the Medical Profession originated in Sumer and is clearly associated by the ancient texts to the 'Garden Of Eden', the place where Man was genetically engineered.
There were several such 'engineerings' of genetics, spaced out often over Millenia (as the Zeta have explained, also myself and Marciniak channeling the Pleiadians,).
It was the 'snake' in the Garden of Eden wot gave the Christian Church the notion that Man had fallen from grace because a 'serpent' had tempted Eve.  Ancient texts, heavily suppressed by the Church (I wonder why?) tell a different story – that of some of the Gods seeing the beauty of Earth's women seduced them and so hybrids were born having remarkable 'powers' and charismatic countenances "like the sun".  The matriarchal period gave way to that of the patriarchal, and the era of Kingship was born, and the Pharoahs.
But that was long after the original 'epic' was recorded of the Garden Of Eden itself, where first men (not just one Adam) were created and after which, following many tinkerings with the genetics a genetically-compatible female was produced that had the required characteristics and after much 'monitoring' was found suitable as a 'mate' and so the colony was then let out of the confines of the Eden 'laboratory' area and started to populate the Earth.
We know, from archaeological excavations and work in other science-related fields, that various 'evolutions' of Man occurred, often with no obvious link between them to account for changes which from findings appeared remarkable leaps.  One such leap, in particular, became known as the 'missing link' period – where to this day no apparent reason for the dramatic jump forward can be found to solve the riddle.  Man had suddenly, from nowhere arrived at the hight of a civilization, the Sumerian, with highly sophisticated infrastructure of medical, educational, scientific, even astronomy records from that Ancient Civilization reveal knowledge of all the planets and even their orbits – many of these celestial bodies only being 'discovered' (??) by modern science in very recent times.  In those ancient times they even knew the world was round not flat, and furthermore several highly detailed maps have been excavated that show a level of skill in cartography that is only today reached by the use of computers and interestingly, satellite imaging.  Yet, there was a map of the Antarctic showing its exact countours (this from an Ancient  civilization in the Middle East!); until recently it has not been possible to map those contours accurately by modern science since most of the outline was hidden by ice and it was satellite imaging again that brought out the detail.  So, I leave you to figure out how it was originally done without <modern science> as we know it.

The Lizard Beings or 'Lizzies' as they have become to be called, following David Icke's hype, didn't actually make any real 'connection' in our history as documented until much later than the Garden of Eden, and it was early Witchcraft that gave the 'reptile' image prominence, and was quickly crushed by the foot of the Church (as depicted in much iconography) in the same way that they have ever sice sought to crush Paganism.......and so it became a myth.

Let's assume you decide at this point to ask a channeler (not usually possible with any freedom, but here on the Astral Pulse both the Zeta and Pleiadians offer that unique  service for members) to give some comments and answers to the remaining questions in this little 'sample' section about the Lizard Beings and such.

Here's Edi who will channel the Zeta on this:

E: Were any 'lizards', i.e., reptilian beings, involved with the genetic engineering of mankind?
Z: Yes. Bearing in mind that the reptilian form is very common, this is no surprise. There have been reptilians evolving on earth before mankind was 'born', but those were not the ones who have been involved in this engineering.
E: Where those reptilians part of a bigger program that was going on in order to 'create' mankind?
Z: Yes, indeed. There was a cooperation between various species who each contributed what they could to make a suitable environment for development of individual souls on earth. This cooperation also included beings you would classify as 'reptilian'.
E: What was the plan behind that?
Z: As a world develops the necessary ecology to support intelligent life, there is often assistance given in order to speed up evolution. This is done so that a place can be quickly (compared to natural evolution without interference) made a home for third density entities' experiences.
E: Now about this enslavement... how seriously did it affect mankind?
Z: Little. In a certain part of the world there has been influence by the Annunaki who would have liked to have slaves. This enslavement however came to an end and the traces of it slowly faded out, although they are still present to some extent.
E: Fine. Were there 'lizard beings' involved in this latter manipulation by the Annunaki?
Z: Yes, indeed. What was answered by the Cassiopeians about their origin is true.
E: Does this link them in any way with you?
Z: No. A star system contains so many planets that you still find many of them that are inhabitable.
E: Are species that are similar in appearance or physical form to mix with each other?
Z: Yes, and this is often the case. You have roughly said the seperation in self-oriented and other-oriented groups. Those different orientations do not mix well together, but among the same orientation, there are pretty fluffy boundaries.

///////////////////////////////////

Ok.  Thanks Edi.

Let's continue now as before, and I'll take a look (again, as if I were you and not a channeler) at the last 'sample' that Hephaestus has kindly provided.......

Cassios speaking about the Anunaki:

quote:

Q: (L) Who were the Annunaki?
A: Aliens.
No problem there.  This is well documented, both historically and in channelings

Q: (L) Where were they from?
A: Zeta Reticuli?
Several species are said to have come originallhy from Zeta Reticuli.  The Annunaki is a generic name, and refers to several species, not just the Nibiruans, in most texts – although they have been associated with Nibiru (The Planet of Crossing) or Planet-X to give it its scientific name.

Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is approaching to sap the souls energy created by the
fear, chaos and so forth?
A: Yes.
There is no evidence that supports a 'comet cluster', but there is a lot of correlatory evidence, both from the Dead Sea Scrolls and other Ancient Texts – as well as many channelings, most notably from Pleiadian sources such as Barbara Hand Clow and Amorah Quan Yin, that tells of the events surrounding Nibiru, a large planet that once was, called Tiamat, (and which is now the Asteroid Belt) and the large elliptical "slingshot" orbit of Nibiru connecting in its wide reach our solar system and a 'second sun', Sirius A.  The Dogon tribe of Africa knew abut Sirius B long before it was discovered by 'science' and the "Gods who came from the stars", along with a detailed map and figures of the exact orbit, mass and diameter of this 'invisible' star that is only detectable by the perturbations it causes in its area – and yet a 'primitive' tribe knew these things and have been much studied by scientists.  As Michael Caine would say, "Not a lot of people know that".   Sort of rocks the scientific boat, doesn't it?

Do you notice the leading question:
" approaching to sap the souls energy created by the
fear, chaos and so forth".
And the very short answer: Yes.
Well, the shortness of the answer is predictable by now.  I mean, these guys are not exactly socialites, are they?
As for the questioner leading there (bad technique!) it smells like Relgious fear-mongering to me.


Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?
A: Yes.
There is no record of fear in the Ancient Texts

Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?
A: Close.
Perhaps this word 'close' is a prompt, to get the person to ask further on this, as to why they are "here now"?
Many correlating sources would suggest that the Annunaki are not coming back, though Nibiru will approach within 14 million miles as it passes, and there will be effects from gravitational and electromagnetic influences on our planet, as was the case in the recorded passage at the time of Noah.
But, the questioner does not pursue this interesting line, and merely moves on.....

Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so to speak, approaching our planet?
A: Yes.
Well, science fiction of the Star Wars variety would suggest this.  However, all other evidence points contrary to this – that, in fact, the 'aliens' (and this does not mean the Annunaki) are already here

Q: (L) Where are these ships from?
A: Zeta Reticuli.
That figures.  Everything seems to come from there, doesn't it?  And the full name of the Zeta are........well, it's obvious isn't it?


Q: (L) When will they arrive?
A: 1 month to 18 years.
Such precision!  Is this a leg-pull.  It must be the widest estimate ever... beyond credibility, certainly

Well, there you have it.  I've taken a look at these 'sample' transcripts as if I were you or anyone........but not as myself, a channeler as such.... Just to illustrate how you might go about beginning to try to make sense of channelings.

I'm glad we channel the Pleiadians and zeta.  Ever such nice beings, and so communicative and helpful with explanations.  I am not permitted to comment on other species on a personal level, being a channeler, so I must leave you with this brief look at what has been presented.

Enjoy the journey !

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Hephaestus]

^ You've argued against those specific points when before doing that you should have read the 400+ (likely a lot more) cassio channelings first, its obvious to me you've not read any whatsoever, those quotes I gave are something like 0.00000000001% of the total information presented in those two channelings I picked out to quote.
Everything you've argued against gets blown to bits by all the other 400+ (likely more,I got bored of counting) channelings. Now I cant keep searching all 400+ channelings and pick out quotes, thats extremely painstakingly long and I just dont have the time for that - all I can say to you is read the cassio channelings before you go on a rampage of ridiculing the cassios and saying they are too vague, because they may be vague to start with but they gradually explain everything - one exampe from memory is your comment on their precision in regards to when the fleet of ship arrive from zeta reticuli, if you read that channeling further down they explain why there is such a large time gap but alas you have not read any channelings from the cassios so you wouldnt know that would you - I mean the info regarding the genetic engineering of the human race the cassios go into MAJOR detail throughout several channelings, they actually explain the MANY different genetic alterations that have been made throughout time but alas you havent read any of their channelings so you wouldnt know this would you.
Ive read both Zeta channelings AND cassio channelings, you havnt even read the cassio channelings at all (thats pretty obvious) and yet you've tried to blow the cassio channelings out of the water using a few quotes I picked out of two channelings which if read in total would take a full 20 minutes or more to read (and thats just two channelings) it is an absurd thing for you to do this when you've not even bothered to read ANY cassio channelings.

Its not important to me to label the Zetas as liers because thats not what im trying to do - im pointing out the differences and making people aware of the channelings from the cassios, its ridiculous to consider just one group of channeled information and not read other group channelings.
Im REALLY surprised you even went to so much trouble trying to ridicule the cassios, especially doing so by using those couple of small quotes I made - its laughable.
Its almost as though if anyone so much as speaks out against the Zetas its classed as blasphemy and the person should be ridiculed - it reminds me greatly of some christians and the church.

[Kalonek]

Hi Hephaestus !
I don't think that the point of Mayatnik's post was to attack the cassio's credibility, i understood that in fact he just said that every channeling must be read and understand in regard of the other channelings, and more like a "discussion" than just a giving of information, and therefore it can have irony etc, i.e. not to be taken at the 1st degree in everything. So i don't see anything against the cassios here I think that he just wanted to make it clear that we should think by ourselves in order to understand every interactions and things above us, and not just believe everything which is said to us and opposing it to other information. More like everything is a part of the whole etc and thus we must look at what is similar between the different sources.
Just my opinion

Best regards,

Kalonek

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by Kalonek

Hi Hephaestus !
I don't think that the point of Mayatnik's post was to attack the cassio's credibility,

You gotta be kidding, the second half of his post does nothing BUT attack the cassio's credibility.
He can do that and has every right to, but what gets me is hes done it without ANY knowledge of the channelings hes 'attacking'. Every single part hes ridiculed means nothing in the end because all those things are explained by other chanelling sessions which hes not even read - he is attacking the cassio channelings with pure ignorance which I think was pretty silly.

[Hephaestus]

To be perfectly honest my head is spinning, theres channelings from the Zetas, channeling from the Reptilians and Channeling from the cassios - I dont know what to think about any of them, theres that much channeling going on it gets confusing lol.
I find the cassios very interesting and bring up some interesting points, but also the Zetas and Reps on this msg board have been very helpful and have been very kind enough to answer my questions which im grateful for.
Ive been thinking about all this stuff today and ive decided that at the end of the day it doesnt matter who is right or who is wrong, who is good and who is bad - such answers cannot be found so all sides should be read and considered, this includes the Zetas, the Reptilians, the cassios and all other channelled groups.

I will always discuss channeled info from the cassios, I think its only fair that the cassio channelings also get a look in like the Zeta and Rep channelings do. People can then decide for themselves  who they wish to believe and who they dont wish to believe, im rather borderline on this, I wish not to believe a single source but simply take in what they all have to say and consider what info is most likely to be correct.

[Jenadots]

Query:  In all this intense channeling that seems to be going on,
       is anyone channeling us - humanity?

       Is there anyone who speaks for us to all these others who
       appear to have the goal of interfering in human destiny?

Next time I am roaming around the Akashic Records, perhaps I can get some clear answers.  

So much of this channeling appears to be aimed at confusion and an attitude of no matter what we do or don't do to you humans, it is all for your own good - and we know best so just follow along....and we will tell you more when "we" feel you are ready for it.  

Perhaps not.  Humanity has its own destiny to follow.  Sooner or
later, we will follow it.  I am not at all convinced that any of these "others" are really out to help us do that.  

I do agree with someone's point tho, I do believe it was the Atlanteans who built the pyramids using some sort of sound technology that I don't even pretend to understand.  I don't think we have yet re-invented it or if we have, it is well hidden.

I think almost everyone on the Astral Pulse senses we are at a crucial point in our development.  This could be the century where we either evolve or devolve as a species.  

Maybe we can just get on with it and go forward as we were meant to do without interference from outside forces.  Is there any chance of that?

[Akensai]

http://www.vincentbridges.com/    (Some curious things about cassiopaea.org)

I feel the same as Hephaestus, at this point I don't know what to think of any channeling. The truth is a hard thing to get.    

[Oazaki]

quote:Originally posted by chill

anyway they speak strange because they are channeled using a ouija board and a bored middle-age overweight woman who can't get laid who operates the board.

I guess all this channeling can be dismissed, as a ouija board is used. Ouija board is a no-no : one can only channel low-life entities with it.

Actually chill, the woman who does the Cassiopaen channellings is happily married and she and her husband are evidently in love.  Therefore, presumably, she can get laid whenever she wishes.

Also, her use of the board enables her to communicate with the Cassiopaeans independently of the content of her own awareness / soul / knowledge.  That is to say, whereas when you channel using just your own being as a conduit you can only fetch through a different perspective on what is already within your own conscious awareness.  For it to be otherwise would violate the tenets of free will as people's souls would be fundementally altered through the act of channelling as knwoledge and insight which they have not themselves realised or worked for would be fed directly into their own energetic structure.  And interefering directly with another's soul directly is a Spiritual no-no.  However, to communicate truths unknown to the channeller via the medium of an inanimate 3rd party, such as a board, is perfectly within the tenets of free will.  It's just like learning something that you didn't know before by reading a book, except a little more esoteric.

In fact, I'd say that Laura's use of the board is one of the main factors in making her channelings so much more accurate and informative and, well, high-level than most of the other channelled material out there.

Oh, and the cassiopaeans aren't negative btw.  They are, by far, the most positive of all the channelled entities that have been reffered to on this forum.

all the best,
Oazaki.

[chill]

They are more or less the same...?

From this site :
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/pleiadians.htm

Q: (L) How many members are there in the Orion/Lizzie group?
A: 16.
Q: (L) Who are the good guys? You say the Cassiopaeans are the good guys. Who else?
A: Pleiadeans and many others.
Q: (L) How many?
A: 16.
Q: (L) Are the sides equally balanced?
A: Yes.

Here we have the idea that there is a distinction between the Cassiopaeans and Pleiadians. In fact, we have a more or less "sorting" and enumeration of groups.

Q: (L) Who were the original creator gods?
A: Us. Sixth Density.
Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans? Were the Pleiadeans also the original creator gods?
A: Same. Sixth Density.

Here we have an idea that the "creator gods," (as distinct from Prime Creator, which will come up in a minute) are all at the level of 6th density. This is not the same as saying that each "group" is exactly the same. It's comparable to me saying to a Martian that I am the "same" as Barbara Marciniak because we are both from Earth.

Q: (T) Are you also the Pleiadeans?
A: No.
Q: (T) Are you connected to the Pleiadeans?
A: Yes and so are others.
Q: (T) You are all the family of light?
A: Yes. Exactly. You have been "doing your homework".

Here we have a further distinction. The Cassiopaeans have said that, No, they are NOT the Pleiadians in the sense that the questioner was asking; which was to strictly define and delineate a "position."

Q: (L) Okay, who is telling E__ P__ that they are the Pleiadeans?
A: Orion STS.
Q: (L) Well, if you were Orion STS and we asked who you were, wouldn't you say you were the Cassiopaeans?
A: No. Pleiadians. That is "trendy" thus deceptive.

In the above, a specific situation was being examined, where a fellow who was later SHOWN clearly to be a "disinformation artist," (long story), was in question. And here the idea that claiming to be a Pleiadian, because it was now "popular" might be being used for deception in some cases.

Q: (L) What level are the Pleiadians who channel through Barbara Marciniak?
A: 6th density.

This is a simple question, with a simple answer. But, depending on how the person asks their question, and how they follow it up, they can become very misled by their own assumptions with which they fill in, for themselves, all between point "A" and point "B":

Now, it is easy to see how this could be misconstrued without the entire perspective. And the Cassiopaeans have noted this:

Q: Her other statement is: 'The C's have stated that they are a continuance of the Pleiadians. The Pleiadean view on sex, to be freely expressed, appears in direct opposition.'
A: Well, this is a jumbling of concepts. But just to tackle one of these, who is to say that the representations of Pleiadian concepts are really the same?

And here is another facet to that perspective:

Q: (L) How do you relate to the Pleiadians?
A: Pleiadians are communicating with many others; we are bursting upon the scene with you, but we are essentially the same, just at slightly different focus points on the realm border.
Q: (L) Well, why is all this activity happening now?
A: The grand cycle is about to close presenting a unique opportunity.
Q: (L) Does this mean that this is a unique opportunity to change the future?
A: Future, past and present.

In the above, we begin to understand that there is an essential "sameness" of the many sources of higher levels that are communicating with others on Earth. But, not only are they at "slightly different focus points," on the realm border, the individuals with whom they communicate are also different in terms of their ability to receive or "transduce" what they receive.

Now, in the excerpts below, even though I am still attempting to understand things and ask questions in a linear way, we begin to move into a new conceptual realm; we begin to experience a higher level of abstraction:

Q: (L) Okay, who created the Cassiopaeans?
A: Your super ancient spiritual ancestors.
Q: (L) Do these beings have a name? [as in a defined "group."]
A: No.
Q: (L) What are they called?
A: Transient passengers.

Q: (L) Now you mentioned the creators of your group as the super ancient ancestors called the transient passengers, what is the meaning of this term and who are these beings?
A: Transient passengers are not beings. Transient Passengers are unified thought form.
Q: (L) Why are they called transient passengers?
A: Because they transit all forms of reality. And they spring forth from the Unified form of existence.

Here we must go off in a "knight's move" to bring in another concept. What few people know is that each time we communicate with the Cassiopaeans, we address a different "aspect" of that reality. There is no single communicant. In the beginning, we asked about this:

Q: (L) Why is it every time we communicate with you Cassiopaeans we get a different person?
A: Energy disbursement.
Q: (L) Who is the energy disbursed to?
A: The next in order. We disburse. Our disbursement is akin to taking turns.
Q: (L) Is there an advantage to taking turns as opposed to having one communicant?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is the advantage?
A: Energy equalization.

Q: (L) In another transmission we were told that we would receive information from a different being each time of contact in order to get good information. Why is this?
A: That is to make sure that balance and equilibrium is maintained and also informational sources are fresh in the interaction between the giver and the receiver.

And, at an even later time, we find that our asking for a name is even conceptually limited:

Q: What is your name?
A: You still desire a name. We'll say: Toren.
Q: (J) If it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
A: What matters is what matters to you and our desire to comply.

Now, getting back to the matter of "disbursement" and Transient Passengers:

Q: (L) Is there only one ultimate creator of the universe
A: All is one. And one is all.
Q: (L) From the one what was the first division?
A: Mass division and disbursement.
Q: (L) Was this simultaneous?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this what we refer to as the "Big Bang?"
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is there any reference to this event in terms of time?
A: Always.
Q: (L) Can we say that all that exists in the material universe is, say, "x" number of years old?
A: No. It is the eternal now. Not only did happen, is happening and going to happen. The expanded presence.

Please pay close attention to the fact that the Cassiopaeans did NOT affirm the "Big Bang" idea as it is presented by science. They agreed that this "mass disbursement" is what we refer to in those terms, but that it is a constant cycling, eternal NOW. This constant cycling creativity now gives us some idea of how to deal with the concepts of "points of focus" on the realm border. And we have a new idea here, moving into even greater abstraction, and that is of each individual being a "realm."

Q: (L) Now, getting back to the planet, if at some point in the cycle, bodies were generated on this planet and brought to earth, who brought them?
A: Realm crossing.
Q: (L) It was not a who, it was a what, is that correct?
A: All is who and what.
Q: (L) Well, the other night you mentioned something about the Transient Passengers hauling these bodies off that planet and bringing them to earth, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, are these Transient Passengers Realms?
A: Yes. So are you.

Now we are beginning to have a glimmer that the higher realms are very different from what we may have thought them to be. Not only that, but that each of us has some part of the self that extends into higher realms, including 6th density. And, in the following excerpt, the reader may be able to detect how extremely difficult it was for us to put aside our linear thinking and grasp what the Cassiopaeans were saying.

Q: (L) Are there other parts of us in all realms doing other things at this moment?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And how is this going to be affected by the realm border crossing?
A: Will merge.
Q: (L) Do we need to do extensive hypnosis to bring these aspects of ourselves up and deal with these things a little at a time?
A: Will happen involuntarily. Will be like a thermonuclear blast. Message follows: See pattern. Orion, Pleiades, Arcturas, Cassiopaea; check distances from earth; progress locator for wave combined with earth references of space time. For you to figure out. Cross reference channeled messages, printing dates and location. We are where we are.
Q: (L) What do you mean you are where you are?
A: Cross reference Time and distance.
Q: (L) What book do we need to cross reference?
A: Any star chart and Marciniak, Arcturas Channel, Orion literature and Us. We speak from "crest" of wave, now, where are we?
Q: (L) Is this a riddle?
A: From, not of.
Q: (L) You speak from the crest of the wave? (T) Are you riding the wave?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) You said in another reading that you were 6 thousand miles...
A: Window of transmission.
Q: (L) We are certainly hoping that you are going to make all of this plain and clear...
A: It is.
Q: (L) Well, can you help us poor 2 strand DNA creatures to understand this?
A: How far away is Cassiopaea?
Q: (L) Do we need specific distances?
A: General is okay.
Q: (L) So, if we just find the general distances... and does each of these star clusters represent a general area of the wave?
A: Each represents locator in space time. You can judge speed and ETA by cross referencing distance with publishing dates and these messages from us.

And we should stop and note right here that this "US" means 6th density, not any specific group, though the concept that is being suggested is that of constant cycling disbursement, and that we are supposed to understand something very subtle from this exchange.


Q: (L) I got it! You mean that YOU are the Arcturians, the Pleiadians, and now you are the "Cassiopaeans" because you "are where you are"! And you are riding the wave. Is this wave a straight line connecting all these constellations?
A: Circuitous or cyclical route.
Q: (L) So, is it like a spiral?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So we really need to set up a map so we can draw it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are "Orions". When from Pleiades, we are "Pleiadian", and so on.
Q: (L) So, all of these channeled books you have mentioned are coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that they are able to connect with because of their different positions in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that correct?
A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where we are and speak. Get it?
Q: (L) You are the wave crest?
A: We are Marciniak's Pleiadians. We are where we are.
Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation Cassiopeia?
A: We are Transient Passengers.


Q: (L) It's fun for who to see how much we can access?
A: All. Challenges are fun. Where do you think the limit of your mind is?
Q: (L) Where?
A: We asked you.
Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no limit.
A: If there is no limit, then what is the difference between your own mind and everything else?
Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no difference if all is ultimately one.
A: Right. And when two things each have absolutely no limits, they are precisely the same thing.

This point is emphasized in another way:

Q: (T) Are we talking about the creator god as in the Pleiadians?
A: Not Pleiadians. Prime Creator.
Q: (T) What is the difference between the Prime Creator and "God?"
A: None. As long as you exist, you are of the Prime Creator.

In the following instance, as at the time of the talk to the MUFON group, Terry was still, like the rest of us, struggling with the linear concept that simply would not embrace what the Cassiopaeans were trying to convey:

Q: (T) Since you are riding this wave, in order to communicate, since the wave is what you are using to focus this contact with, and you are, whoever you may be at whatever point the wave is, you gave Barbara Marciniak information under the name "Pleiadians". You are telling us this. Have you told the other people, such as Barbara Marciniak, that you are contacting other people?
A: No.
Q: (L) So, Barbara may not know that the contacts are the same only under a different name?
A: No. Progressive information. Also, system is like mosaic.
Q: (L) Does this mean that different people get different pieces of the mosaic?
A: Yes.

Q: (Susy) Are you from the same group as the Pleiadians?
A: Same. When at Pleiades, Pleiadians, when at Cassiopaea, Cassiopaeans. Light beings.
Q: (Susy) What kind of source are you?
A: 6th density.

And, as we all know, a mosaic is made up of many tiles which, only together, form a complete picture.

Light and darkness unify all densities.

Q: (L) Are there 6th density Orions known as Transient Passengers?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So there are Transient Passengers that are STO as well as STS?
A: TP is "wanderer".
Q: (L) And what is a wanderer?
A: TP.
Q: (L) Well, the idea of the Wanderers, according to the Ra Material, is 4th or 5th density beings that have chosen to come back into 3rd density to help us. Would that be the same kind of Wanderer?
A: 5th or 6th density.

Q: (L) So, there are STS and STO at 6th density which balance? And they are just there, they exist?
A: Reflection for balance.

Q: (L) Are the 6th density Orions, also known as Transient Passengers, are they the same TPs that have been referred to as the ones who genetically engineered us or put us here?
A: Close. They are Wave riders.
Q: (L) Are those groups that ride the wave, is riding the wave part of the definition of Transient Passengers?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they like to ride this wave?
A: Is it "fun" for you to live on earth?
Q: (L) Well, I like living on earth a great deal, but I don't like pain and suffering, and I don't like man's inhumanity to man and I don't like to see other people suffer.
A: Do you live on earth for amusement?
Q: (L) I would like to live on Earth for amusement but I haven't had a whole heck of a lot of laughs since I have been here this time. I would like to have a life on the planet where things were pleasant...
A: You misunderstood.
Q: (L) I see what you are saying. That's where they live because that's where they live.
A: Yes.