Crystals

[Links Shadow]

I actually slept on my back, which was the first time I had ever done so.  I started out meditating but then when I was done I was so comfortable that I did not want to move so I left the crystal where it was, and just drifted off to sleep.  Unlike most nights I did not toss and turn so the crystal stayed on my forehead all night.

[DarkQuest]

thats pretty cool.  now lastly do u know a good site in where i could buy unpolished crystals?  and maybe info on crystals that could help me meditate, have more vivid or lucid dreams, and help astral projection, or maybe a crystal for each individual chakra would be excellent.  thx

[skymageinfinity]

ebay

try your luck

[DarkQuest]

actually i went to http://www.mythnlynx.com and i ordered a few crystals and i can say they have great service, for my items were shipped out the next day and they made a mistake and they corrected it and i ended up with a free crystal.  even though i didn't get my crystals yet i can easily trust them, and would recommend them to anybody that wants to order crystals.

[Targa]

A few things I can add to this discussion:

Always treat your crystals with respect and be thankful for their help.  Like most things in nature, there is a "spirit" that resides within them.

If possible, place your clear quartz outside or in a window when there's a full moon, allowing it to absorb the light and moon's energy.

When not in use, always store your crystals in exactly the same place, as energy will "bleed" from the crystal and saturate the storage place.  Placing it in different locations all the time will tend to bleed off the energy.  By keeping it in the same spot, once that spot gets "energized" and "tuned" to the crystal, it will help the crystal maintain its energy levels.

As was stated in a previous post by Skymageinfinity, the more you want them to work, the more they work, which tells me that there is a belief system at work here also.  ie: If you don't believe they will work for you, then your negativity prevents them from doing so.  By giving them reverence, you are training your mind in a positive belief system.  Ignoring the above suggestions will not prevent crystals from working for you, but they won't hurt either, so why not give it a shot?

[Nomus]

I'm new to the whole crystal thing.

Anyone know anything about Kyanite?

I have a green one and I might get a blue one. They are not that big.

Does the size of the crystal/stone matter? It's about an inch long and less than a half inch thick.

I only really want to know about blue and green kyanite.

What does "programming" a crystal mean?

Thanks for any help

[kiboy]

wassup. i havent posted i like forever. but lately ive been studying lemurian seed crystals. if u have one or know sumthin about it all help wuld be appreciated. thanks

[mustang]

Has nobody here offered any criticisms of all this Crystal talk and their use in healing, meditation etc? I mean you are all just so accepting of all this, you are so naive and gullible. No wonder many people rightly dismiss esoteric types as off their heads with all this talk of crystal healing and related mumbo-jumbo. You make it easy for the materialists and others to poke fun at you. You set yourselves up for it. Now don't get me wrong, I for one do not doubt the reality of astral travel and related paranormal phenomena, as a search of my previous posts will reveal. But one must guard against being so accepting of absolutely everything pertaining to the "New-Age Movement".

I'm sure lots of people are making quite a bit of money selling crystals, so such people cannot be relied upon for objectivity on the efficacy or otherwise of crystal use.
If you think the crystals you have are working for you, how do you know this is not mere psychosomatics?

Somebody should see if a control study has been done in this regard, probably not, I don't know - What you do is you have 2 groups of people, the one lot have crystals and they use them for whatever they think effective, meditation, healing, raising Kundalini etc and we see the results, another group think they have their particular crystals but they have been given stones that are not their crystals, but look like them and are superficially indistinguishable from the real thing (note no group knows who has the real crystals and who doesn't), neither should those carrying out the research (this is called a double-blind control), and then see the results.

Why not try organise such a study, it is not hard to do and would be inexpensive, but what if the results went against your beliefs? Namely no differing results among the control and the non-control group, ie it would be the human mind and not the crystals that are making any difference. But of course you do not want to consider that option, not so?

Something so symbolic of this crystal mania and its essential riduculousness is in the history of the New-Age movement itself, namely "The crystal incident" at the Findhorn community in Scotland in the 1970s:



From Carol Riddell at http://users.northnet.com.au/~carolrid/Findhorn%20C%20History.html

quote: In spite of David's [David Spangler] warnings, the community had to learn its lesson about glamour. The problem came to a head with the 'crystal incident' in 1978. A small group of people began visiting the community, and some became members, who felt that only with certain kinds of decoration and design, and particularly through the use of crystals, could the appropriate energy be properly channelled here. Indeed, it was not so much divine energy, but the energy of the fabled past civilisation of Atlantis which was to be incorporated into our almost completed Universal Hall through a special configuration of crystals and wires. The whole conception was not properly communicated to the membership, and Peter's authority was still such that there was considerable acceptance of the new idea.

A specially cut quartz crystal, about the size of a grapefruit, was prepared and suspended on gold wires in the centre of the Hall. The gold wires led to the supporting pillars, from which silver wires led down into the foundations. In the basement, a smaller crystal was embedded in the floor, and a piece of meteoritic iron sat above it. A third crystal was fixed to a light in the centre of the ceiling. The Hall was closed for some time before this occult arrangement was finished and then, around Christmas 1978, a special ceremony of invocation was held to inaugurate the energy transfer. Craig Gibsone, a later focaliser of the Foundation, remembers walking out of the ceremony and leaving the community, so great was his disgust. He returned only in 1983.

A year and a half later, during a presentation by a visitor from the Edgar Cayce Foundation, the wires snapped and the crystal fell, smashing a two-inch-thick glass panel in the floor and narrowly missing the speaker, who had 'providentially' not chosen to stand in the centre of the Hall. The crystal shattered into many pieces, to almost everyone's great relief. Eileen was not present at the talk, but her comment when informed of the event was: "Thank God." She collected the crystal fragments and, following her guidance, they were returned to the earth from which they came. This curious incident ended a period which taught the community some hard lessons.

'Psychic glamour' is widespread in the 'new age' movement nowadays. It caters for people who are dissatisfied with the cruder aspects of materialism, but who still retain a desire to purchase personal transformation quickly for a fee. Such demands are fulfilled by a large coterie of 'psychic entrepreneurs' who advertise their wares in the host of 'new age' magazines. Many people still visit us expounding their 'visions' or new techniques, trying to set us to rights. We enjoy them and thank them, and they pass on elsewhere. We are becoming more and more conscious of the simplicity and directness of the divine message — that our purpose is to find the divine within, the criterion for which is the practice and experience of unconditional love. Our work is too important to be sidetracked.

I could not have put it better myself, especially that bit about 'psychic glamour'. It sums up the essential problem with New-Age types as does dream-catchers and other similar paraphenalia.

I say this not to belittle anybody here, but as a hopefully sobering reminder that if one is not careful one can end up getting caught up in superficialities that have no bearing on our essential humanity, on our goodness or lack of it. None of this "glamour" improves us as people, it does not make us wiser or kinder, it can only lead us astray. It is not an adjunct to any truth, but a diversion from the path to truth in all its subtle forms.

[shivanova]

quote:Originally posted by dino333

I have a few stones that I've picked up at the Natural History Museum. How exactly do you use crystals anyway? You don't eat them, do you?[xx(]

Strangely enough... I've had the urge to pop crystals in my mouth and swallow them before.

[Cheyyne]

I have to agree with Mustang on his point. It's true that it's easy to make fun of new age types (if you want to label yourself as such.. I don't know much about how people usually think about "new agers", I'm just doing things through intuition). But that's also part of the mindset, a sort of rising above. It's always easy for skeptics to say we're all just using double-speak, but they've never proved us wrong, just as we haven't necessarily objectively proved them wrong. As far as that goes, I feel the topic has been and is at a standoff, and the best thing to do is concentrate your personal energies elsewhere instead of try to "prove" almost purely subjective matter to people who don't want to believe it anyway.

But the idea of an objective test is a tough one. I completely agree that it should be done; but the problem lies in the fact that the whole concept and action of "psi" is carried out almost excluseively internally. With a practice so individually based, it's hard to get an objective measurement. Another problem is the human thought process; generally people who deny the existence of or don't think about things in the psi category "unmake" effects upon them by doing so. It's not a conscious thing for all but the most stalwart objectors, but it makes even the possibility of having a "control group" of people who aren't acquainted with such practices almost absurd.

I agree that there definitely has to be a way to find an objective view on the subject, but since old practices based in the physical realm for the most part don't apply, we have to invent a new standard by which to measure. I'm not a great mind, just a guy who can follow logical steps, and I'm sure I'm not up to the task of doing such a thing.

However, I suppose it would be possible to perform single-blind tests of having persons well acquainted with meditation and energy sensations given a mystery package, perhaps clay or something similarly hard, which may contain a crystal, or may contain a weight of equal mass. By having the participants in the experiment given a series of 3 of these mystery packages, with only the conductors of said experiment knowing the individual contents of each package, meditate and try to see any individual energy sensations out of the ordinary that may be caused by the crystal. In this way, it would be possible to tell if the crystals actually cause greater energy sensations or not. The actual causes of these symptoms will still remain a mystery, but it will be proven whether or not the crystals affect such symptoms.

The only problem I can see with this is that skeptics could always claim the participants were loaded and the entire experiment was a fraud. That's something they'll have to trust us on, and if they are so dead set about not believing that they'd think that, it's probably not a good idea to cater to them anyway.

If I knew more people in my area so psychically inclined, I'd conduct the test tomorrow. But I don't, unfortunately. Anyhow, here's your outline for determining whether or not crystals have any effect upon meditation. I hope they do, but I'll be logical enough to accept it if they don't.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

Most of us know how useful crystals can be for many metaphysical procedures.

We have an excellent crystal shop over here, but they only sell the polished crystals. I personally believe that raw, unpolished crystal are  by far the best for these things. I particularly believe that the various quartz, e.g. smokey quartz, rose quartz are particularly useful. Do you people have problems obtaining unpolished crystals?

Also, while we are on the subject, it would be interesting to hear of experiences with crystals for Astral projection, meditation etc..

With best regards,

Adrian.


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[yothu]

Something I have tried in the last time is putting crystals on the chakra areas and then simply relax and going into slight meditation. I was surprised by the different and strong feelings I did experience when doing it.

What I did: I put a citrin crystal (tiny ones) on my brow chakra and my throat chakra. Clear quartz on my heart chakra. In this 'configuration' I felt my heart very well. Also my brow was being stimulated.
After that I tried it with clear quartz on my brow chakra, citrin on my throat and above navel, rose quartz on my heart. It felt different. I felt my head 'was being cleared' especially above my eyes.
Yesterday I put my clear quartz above the navel (5th chakra from top) and citrin on my brow chakra. I had a sensation which is best described in a feeling of wholeness. I felt like being 'complete', energetically speaking. I hope you know what I mean. I experienced such a feeling sometimes when doing EFT, but the feeling of having an energy body was never this clear and smooth. I felt really smooth, without a flaw. Like a perfect...well, crystal. hahahaha

Now that I describe it...! Amazing feeling. If someone has tried it, please give me your comments!

I also 'discovered' that the feeling of sympathy and love is amplified when wearing rose quartz. I had one in my pocket for example.

Somebody said the purer, cleaner the chrystal the better. My citrin is not very pure but it 'works' very well though. I plan to get some purer stuff, which I have right now. Wasn't cheap but I do not go to McDonalds, so...

- A few days later

Again I placed clear quartz crystals on my major six (left out root chakra) chakras and concentrated on the energy flow from my root chakra along the spine. After a while I had a strange feeling in my right arm, just at elbow. A few seconds later I remembered that this is the location I broke my arm say 13 years ago. I recall that I sensed the same with my left wrist, which too was broken, in an earlier session.

Also I put a crystal on each of my eyes and felt like if my eyeballs were sinking in my head. Like they are never completely in my head, but somehow 'lifted out'. Could be true, because I have what doctors call shortsightedness and often feel that I tense the muscles of my eyes too much. I can relax them, but only to a certain degree I feel.

I believe that crystals broadcast some of their harmony and greatly aid to receive and send energy. I have yet to do more experiments, but I clearly see no placebo effect, because I can reproduce certain effects. That is the feeling of sinking, vibrating and of being aligned. Together with a slightly enhanced ability to broadcast energy. If I don't use crystals those abilities don't cease, but are not amplyfied anymore as what I perceive. Again, I have to do more experiments on this. Effects vary when using different crystals. Eg. the feeling of being aligned is stronger for me when using citrin instead of clear quartz. When using citrin it I have slightly stronger and more intense experiences.

I have to admit that since I use crystals before going to sleep I need less time to rest. When I get up I feel completely rested, healthier and fit. I also feel that my body is cleaning itself.

[James S]

Hi Yothu,

I've recently started meditation with crystals on my major chakras, and find that it is not only empowering, but at the same time it feels very relaxing and soothing, like my aura is being healed & softened. I do a lot of energy/chakra meditations, so it's a wonderful feeling to have the crystals used. I can see where you would be getting a lot of success using clear quartz, as it is the all purpose amplifier.

More recently, I attended a crystal healing workshop that helped me gain a much better insight into using crystals with our chakras, and how they can be used to repair & rejuvinate our auras. Typically we used crystals that matched the colours of the chakras -

Base - Tiger Iron (a natural combination of Tiger eye, Hematite & Jasper)
Sacral - Carnelion
Solar plexus - Citrine
Heart - Rose quartz (and a green stone such as Aventurine if extra healing is needed here)
Throat - Sodalite (Blue Calcite is also very good here)
Brow - Amethyst
Crown - Clear Quartz

When doing a healing on someones chakras your basically feeding reiki or white light energy into the crystal on that chakra, and letting it attune the energy for that person. If the chakra is not functioning well, holding clear quartz in your hand while sending the energy gives it a huge boost. You can really feel the quartz amplifying the energy here.

The colour of stone you use isn't strict - there are general guidelines but no rules. I read where you were using Citrine on your heart. Though it's not usually associated with the heart chakra, Citrine is an excellent stone for opening up the chakras - any of them. We were told during the course to let your intuition guide you on what stoned to use where for best effect.

Kind regards,
James.

[GOTHIKA]

I have taken up an interest in energy work with crystals and am trying to figure out what would work best for me in my meditation exercises.
Also I find it quite fascinating that crystals can be used to perform healing exercises upon people.
I usually use my own energy when I attempt to heal others but am always interested in other techniques as well.

[Alaskans]

I'm not one to jump on bandwagons (when I was starting out I even thought chakras were bogus hehe.) My belief in crystals changed one day also. I used to have a nice cliff I would climb, up to a ledge overlooking the valleys and river.. awsome place. I always meditate at the same spot when possible, to build latent energy. But after awhile I started changing my location. I noticed that some places on the cliff I had much better meditations than others, moving a foot or two could make a huge difference. I investigated the cliff. I found that at all of my favorite spots there were hidden veins of smokey quartz. I moved, but I hope to find another crystal vein like that. But as a substitute I was thinking you could get a lot of raw quartz crystals and arrange them on your mat in a flower design with their base (-) pointing away from you.

[Stookie]

I know next to nothing about crystals in relation to metaphysics. But my new home has a rediculous amout of quartz on the property, due to a rediculous amout of granite in the area. I recently found a baseball sized chunk of quartz that was too pretty not to pick up. I'm going to put it in my garden when I get it started.

[GOTHIKA]

Quote;

(I'm not one to jump on bandwagons but when I was starting out I thought chakra were bogus)

I was sort of skeptical as well until I realized that I was interacting with certain chakra centers such as the heart and the crown in my metapsychical endeavors.

I have also heard that Quartz can be a most useful crystal to work with but haven't tried it as of yet.
As for the suggested usage of placing many of them around oneself the idea sounds most intriuging but I hope that they are'nt very expensive crystals to purchase.

[Rob]

Stookie... I am so jealous 

[MW]

I agree with Mustang. Nothing should be taken at face value but investigated and then filtered through your intelligence and reasoning. However, if benefits can be gained through crystals psychosomatically, doesn't this invalidate modern pharmaceuticals, with their enormous profit margins and long list of side effects? If you can cure yourself through the power of the mind why bother with medicines at all? Since I had my first session with a local energy healer (3 months of tendonitis gone in 3 days-woohoo!) I haven't see a doctor since.

I'm definitely going to try sleeping with a crystal on my brow and see what happens - but I sleep on my side and toss and turn a fair bit, is it ok to keep the crystal there with sticky tape?

Also, does how clear the crystal is affect how powerful it is?