Attention all Reptilian conspiracy theorists

[wisp]

coben,

quote:reread your post and just see for a moment how Leyla might, surprisingly enough, read the entire post as judgemental

Sorry, guess I don't know what you mean,coben.

This list of Leyla's in this thread, is not her own. It's a collection of other's material I've read before.

What parts she does claim as her own?

The door is open for what I said. Leyla opened it when she made her judgment on others.The Western Hemisphere covers a lot of territory!  []

As above, as below has to do with microcosm and macrocosm principles. Judgment is a result (or so it appears). Judgment is not personal. Unless... you attempt to discredit others.

M12,

quote:I read this thread that it might grow beyond the late 90s Mother Goddess Craze, but I see that it won't grow beyond one person's ego.

Good call!

[Leyla]

I hate to hit everybody on the head with this, but I'm sure you've all turned on your TV's and seen the prisoner photos.

We live in a world where war is considered good and sex is considered bad. It's acceptable to exploit women's bodies in a "junior high" manner, yet at the same time we ban or run from serious discussion.

Many people see the hypocrisy in this but few see the obvious connection between suppressing sex and spurring perverted forms of sexual aggression.

In this environment, pleasure becomes the 'moral' issue and violence is treated with a blasé attitude.

If you teach someone sex is dirty and bad they will seek out sex in dirty bad ways.

You divorce spirituality from sexuality and you will fill the world with rapists, peadophiles and violent perverts of every stripe.

People today don't give sex the respect it deserves as a spiritual force.

People are switching out their partners every 15 minutes, rap stars are calling women every filthy name imaginable.

There is little to no respect whatsoever for their own bodies, or the bodies of their partners, and sex is treated as an "act."

Why?

Because the belief that Sex is "lowly" and "shallow" only serves to encourage people to treat sex, and their sexual partners in a "shallow" manner.

[Leyla]

Spectral, I'm calling you out as a liar.

Posted - 04 May 2004 :  18:29:31              

quote:Actually, I am saying that the so called "goddess" is a seraphim, a servant of god.

Wisp, I'm calling you out as liar as well.

quote:This list of Leyla's in this thread, is not her own. It's a collection of other's material I've read before.

Really? Where? Lets see it. Lay it on the table. Now.

MJ-12, you're just mad because I pointed out your God is at war with a star constellation. It made you feel silly, so you decided to make some (highly emotional) radical insults toward the Goddess.

She forgives you MJ,
I'll pray for you.

[volcomstone]

reptilians =scapegoat

why blame ourselves for somthing bad? its better to think up conspiricies of evil beings who are controlling us

its easier on us to blame others rather than take the responsibility for ourselves, that said, I ALWAYS BLAME OTHERS
so if you say Im a hypocrite, than Im not, If I SAY IM NOT A HYPOCRITE
I am

which comes down to the final question,
"are we really happy with who we are right now?"

[wisp]

Leyla,
Sorry, but I don't work for you. I've read the same stuff from various sources in the last 5 years. If I happen across some of the material I'll be glad to post it. In the mean time, it's not the sort of material I keep around. You've probably read or had someone pass on these same sort of concepts. I have my own opinion about it.

Soooo, your saying...you originated everything you have listed in this thread?

Careful on your demand, btw. Your teeth are showing.

Your free sex idea is not new either. I have a feeling your justifying your own lifestyle. We create our own reality.

[LordoftheBunnies]

Leyla, you're preaching to the choir here.  Most of us (SD included if I might add), already agree that there is a feminine element to the realities above us, and that sex can be part of spirituality (if done in a balanced manner).  For instance, usually whenever I pray I use the term FatherMother, and I have an interest how sexual alchemy might enhance spiritual development.  However, the way in which you talk about the God and Goddess seems to be reducing them to an anthromorphic level.  The essence behind human sexuality does indeed exist at higher levels, but not in the same way we think of it.  I think this was part of the misunderstanding that came about when SD said that the Goddess is a seraphim.  And based on the research I have done up till this point, angels and Gods tend to be more so androgynous than anything, with the male and feminine being aspects of their nature.  

quote:It made you feel silly, so you decided to make some (highly emotional) radical insults toward the Goddess.

She forgives you MJ,
I'll pray for you.

[B)] The element of the universe called the Goddess does not need you to defend her anymore than the wind or stars do.  Also, although the Catholic church did drive many pagan religions which worshipped the Goddess underground, this had more to do with other factors and a striving for control, and not any evil male conspiracy to destroy the feminine element.  They destroyed many religions which weren't necesarily goddess based as well.  Furthermore, worship of the Lady did still go on in the church in the form of Mary, Mother of God.  Infact, in many places her veneration was second only to that of Jesus, and sometimes even higher, with the Father coming in at a distant third.  The Western Hemisphere was not the only part of the world to promote celibacy either, celibacy was the norm among most Buddhist monks, which made up a huge part of the world's religious distribution.

[SpectralDragon]

Read it again Leyla, does it say god is male or female? Like lord of the bunnies said, your preaching to the chior. I am going to make my point more clear this time: if you want a fight, go somewhere else. If you want a friendly debate, I will be happy to discuss things with you.

[Leyla]

Allright. Suddenly I'm preaching to the choir and everyone agreed with me the whole while. Whatever. I don't see what all the arguing was about then.

The rest of this is for Wisp:

Ah ha! Caught you. So you admit you can't find it. And there's no way you could have, because I took the Draco information straight out of Astronomy. There isn't an occult book in print that will tell you North is the true direction of the grail/goddess. That's because most of the authors are oath bound not to reveal certain information. Also, I have yet to find an occult book in print that knows about the hidden identity of the Arabian fairy-tail princess Leyla being a Goddess. The rest of it is historical information.

Free sex idea? First the lies, and now you're just making stuff up as you go along.

What I'm judging is a culture, not it's people. A culture that shows minimal respect for sex, and denies it's spirituality, thus breeding perversion and abuse.

You however, are launching personal attacks at me because you can't attack my ideas. [B)]

This shows you're desperate.

My own lifestyle? Yet another missed target. I've practiced celibacy for six years, and have a handsome man with whom I'm planning a life and child. We're waiting for marriage. But I'm sure when we finally do have sex it will be a profoundly spiritual experience that will bring us at a oneness with each other, with the universe, and with the co-creators....

The very opposite of that "dirty" "non spiritual" and "debased animal rutting" that you advocate. Yucky. I'd have to be celibate the rest of my LIFE if I thought of it the gross way you do.

You could try to take another whack at me, but I'm sure it would be as futile as all your last two attempts.

[Leyla]

Everyone seems to be throwing their two cents in on the nature of upper dimensional beings. So I might as well list off my experience.

The "arch angel" type entities I have met, my personal guides, are VERY male. Formal, military, disciplined, butt-kicking, and are called "The Brothers." They are not sexless and neutered.

I also (only once) ran across a goddess. She was...amazing, I never imagined a more loving feminine energy. There was no question about her gender, and again we are speaking of an upper dimensional entity.

Also, on one occation, I did experience "astral sex" so there has never been doubt for me that sex is spiritual and not earthly, because you don't need a physical body to do it.

In fact, you physical body makes for a poor filter. The sensations are much more sharp and clear when you're out of body. I would be interested in learning techniquies for astral projecting with your partner during sex so as to experience it there.

I think this is the concept behind what is  known as the "great rite" or the "holy marriage."

[SpectralDragon]

K, I am going to agree that archangels are more so male entities, but they are not in of themselves "males" also, you were likely talking to ASPECTS of archangels

Well, I seem to have made a lier out of myself. I didn't leave the argument. Since tempers are flaring, and you don't have any interest in paying attention to the following:
-I am not saying sex is bad in spirituality, just it's overrated
-The female beings have less power or whatnot I am not disagreeing with you on

Then I am leaving this argument. Leyla, I don't know what happened to you all of a sudden to make you this way, you had a much different atmosphere before. Hopefully we can understand each other one day but right now tempers are flaring a bit too much.

[MJ-12]

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[Leyla]

SD, I'm was never angry with you, nor do I want our friendship to end, it was that you took an arrogant tone with me, as if I had not exaustively researched this topic.

The crux here seems to be that you think it's overrated, and I think it's underrated. But I have very good reasons for taking that point of view, even though you might not agree with them.

Put all the history away, and forget about what the sumarians and egyptians were doing and whether or not it was "truth."

Isn't it just common sense that if people believe sex is "lowly" and "shallow"  only encourages them to treat sex, and their sexual partners in a "lowly" "shallow" manner?

And likewise, if they were to approach sex hat-in-hand as a spiritual force then they would have more respect for their bodies, and for themselves, and for their partners?

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

SD, I'm was never angry with you, nor do I want our friendship to end, it was that you took an arrogant tone with me, as if I had not exaustively researched this topic.

The crux here seems to be that you think it's overrated, and I think it's underrated. But I have very good reasons for taking that point of view, even though you might not agree with them.

Put all the history away, and forget about what the sumarians and egyptians were doing and whether or not it was "truth."

Isn't it just common sense that if people believe sex is "lowly" and "shallow"  only encourages them to treat sex, and their sexual partners in a "lowly" "shallow" manner?

And likewise, if they were to approach sex hat-in-hand as a spiritual force then they would have more respect for their bodies, and for themselves, and for their partners?

If I was giving that impression I apoligize. However I would encourage that the both of us either lay off this, think of our recent actions, and try to learn from it, or simply melow the mood in this very thread.

quote:And likewise, if they were to approach sex hat-in-hand as a spiritual force then they would have more respect for their bodies, and for themselves, and for their partners?

I do not believe sex itself is the driving force here, but rather love. Sex and love go hand in hand, but are not the same thing. In sex there are energy transfers, and in love transfers of the soul energies.

However I have seen evidence that two partners can go into enlightenment together and thus create another universe together. The evidence is from talking to certian beings and actually exploring Other Universes The idea is very intrigueing to me and gives light to the idea that partnerships on this world are not on simply the level of the physical and mental, but something greater.

[Nay]

I say that since everyone has had their time on the "soapbox" it is time to bow and shake hands and learn from the very long topic..[^]

Infact let us all take a moment of silence...

Nay []

[Leyla]

All right. I've seen enough of this silly nonsense, and can stand it no more!

If you want to go hunting for star-dragons, all you have to do is wait for nightfall and point your faces to the North.

DRAGON OF THE NIGHT:

The the NIGHT SKY (the dark womb- the dark earth) is ruled by the North Star. In particular by the Great Dragon. Draco, which currently circles around the North Star.

We have the Sun in the South- the Male God Force ruling the day; and the Dragon in the North- the Female Goddess Force ruling the night.

Black Elk says it best. "Growing power is rooted in the mystery of the Night. Seeds sprout in the darkness of the ground...In the Night of the Womb spirit quickens into flesh."

Things that grow, grow secretly in darkness before they are revealed to the light.

"In ancient times the heavens rotated around Draco. The dragon was the center around which the heavens turned and it was the symbol of primordial chaos (the goddess.) It would have appeared to the ancient sky watchers that the earth revolved around Draco."

The original constilation of Draco was much larger and had enormous wings. The Greek philosopher Thales lopped off the wings in the sixth century BC. Now she is depicted as a large serpent.

Most American Indian tribes call the North "Where we all come from" and some tribes call a womans vagina "The Winged Serpent" or Dragon.

It's all coming together isn't it? Belly dancers with their snakes. Twisting turning seducing. The "evil" serpent in the garden. The dragon so revered in the orient, and yet so reviled in the west.

The Buddhists have kept their goddess. In the orient perfection is seen as the balance of Yin/Yang, Female/Male, Black/White. In the west they will tell you black represents "evil." This is because black represents the female force.

This dragon symbology is so prevalent in ancient cultures, and in ancient writings, that a generation of conspiracy theorists have been lead to believe (with all their hearts) that an ALIEN RACE of "dragons" came from the stars and inbred with humans. There are hundreds of books proclaiming "Reptilian Aliens are living among us!" They spend years tracking down people from "ancient alien blood lines."

I have read the family names listed as those of "Alien Blood," including the Bushes. Unless it was their intent to produce an enclave of incompetent learning disabled alcoholics then the breeding program should be dismantled post haste, because it is a pathetic failure.

If they are all products of an ancient alien breeding system constructed with the utmost planning and care it should be proven in the results. You should be able to find nary a one member of the upper class who lacks a genius IQ and mystical powers. And we all know that is not the case.

Now that you know why the Goddess is "The Night" and "The Dragon" it explains all those pictures of Mary "The Mother of God" wearing a robe of stars and/or a crown of stars while standing on the Moon. Sometimes she is pictured standing on a serpent. When they tell you it is Mary conquering the devil, you will know it really represents the star constellation of Draco. One of Mary's names is, in fact, "Our Lady of The Stars." Several goddesses carried this title, including Nuit of Egypt.

Many ancient Goddess names translate to "Stary" Astarte, Ishtar and Astraea for example. You know what's "Stary?" The night sky.

Check out this prayer to Virgin Mary composed by Lord Byron

SHE WALKS IN BEAUTY, LIKE THE NIGHT

She walks in beauty, like the night
Of cloudless climes and starry skies;
And all that's best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes:
Thus mellow'd to that tender light
Which heaven to gaudy day denies.

I found this on a Christian web site:

"Thy Nativity, O Christ our God, hath shined upon the world the light of knowledge; for thereby, they that worshipped the stars were taught by a star to worship Thee."

Heh heh heh. Cute aren't they?

Explains the hell out of all those mysterious paintings of the "Black Madonna." Of course, some nut jobs are running around with the theory that the Black Madonna paintings are a secret coded message proving the royal family is of the "Blood line of Christ." They are not.

Many modern conspiracy theorists think the Black Madonna symbolises Mary Magdalene. I think I have proven the "Black Madonna" is none other than the Goddess herself, perhaps with Mary Magdalene acting as her Priestess.

Here is where the confusion lies: There is the impression of "Secrecy" "Concealment" and "The Hidden" in the Black Madonna.

That's because Darkness itself is concealing.

They were not hiding the blood line of Jesus. They were hiding the old religion. And for good reason. The church would've killed them.

OH YEAH? WHAT ABOUT THE DRAGONS CONNECTION TO ROYALTY AND THE RULING CLASSES?

ANSWER: No king comes into power except through the goddess.

The Goddess is the Land. He who wins the Goddess wins the Land. Nobody but the husband of the Land (Goddess) has any authority over her.

Quoting: "The sacred marriage between priestess and king was the most solemn and numinous of all Mesopotamian religious rituals. Through this act the life-force of the goddess was drawn down to the land and it's people. Without his wedding to the Goddess in the living form of her priestess the king was not considered fit or able to rule the people.

"The relationship between Goddesses of the land and the holder of worldly power-the king-is an important theme in Celtic mythology. Irish text suggest that the king was married to the tutelary goddess of his tribe. This would take place as a Sacred Marriage with a priestess."

The Dragon is on the Flag of Wales. Queen Elizabeth's exact words to Charles as he was crowned Prince of Wales were: "This Dragon now gives you your power, your throne, and your authority."

She just as easily could have said "The Goddess now gives you your power, your throne, and your authority."

I wonder if they have any idea the meanings of these ceremonies they perform, and their ancient pagan roots. I suspect they are only going through the motions. Sad.

Even the Jews count days from sundown to sundown. Because they know Night came before the Day.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void. and darkness was upon the face of the deep And the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters."

Hence the popular bumper sticker: "My Goddess gave birth to your God."

Today most people have the view of "the world at war." They believe there is a great battle going on between the forces of "Light" and the forces of "Darkness." Day against Night. God against Goddess. Male against Female.

The Christian God, like so many gods after the male revolution, he swears vengeance on "The Dragon." This has caused millions upon millions of confused Christians to declare war against a star constellation, and "the forces of darkness."

I don't know about where you live, but the forces of darkness arrive here around 6:30 every evening.